has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?

has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics? we saw the kinzhal get shot up by a pac 3 a day or two ago but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics (i hate chicoms)

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This post convinced me that China is not actually pathetic, but very strong.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      man dont be smart i genuinely loathe the ccp and xi but they have apparently made leaps and bounds in this particular field, as far as i understand to attack carrier groups etc in a spat over the taiwan strait, as a frickoff big naval engagement.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/13/china-hypersonic-missile-intelligence-leak/
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-ZF

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ESL Chink Black person detected

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          suck my wiener. i'm all for beating down on the ccp but if they have this shouldn't we do something about it?

          nothing, neither do the chinese. If it is actually as they say I doubt any weapon can intercept with good reliability and somewhat understandable price for the next 10-20 years.
          What I dont understand is why even bother. An all out nuclear conflict will have so many warheads flying that no anti air in the world will be able to put up with it. It just seems like a pretty good way to spend a lot of money.

          maneuverable and non-maneuverable hypersonics are completely different things.

          my understanding is that they're planning to use them in the event of a potential tiawan strait conflict to engage us carrier groups and naval vessels and this could be a mighty big problem for us military planning in the region. idk but i have seen the papers pick up on it a lot lately

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >but if they have this shouldn't we do something about it?
            No. It's a meme weapon, anon. It's quite literally the Chinkoid version of the Armata in terms of how much it actually changes anything of note, but it'll be spammed and argued here to death until such a time as an event unfolds to show the obvious moronic nature of this bickering in the first place. But between now and that eventuality, we'll need to suffer HyperTards and the 8 thousand threads per day about
            >Now that the dust has settled, hypersonics?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ftfy

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              underrated

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/BXk6Yqz.jpg

              suck my wiener. i'm all for beating down on the ccp but if they have this shouldn't we do something about it?
              [...]
              my understanding is that they're planning to use them in the event of a potential tiawan strait conflict to engage us carrier groups and naval vessels and this could be a mighty big problem for us military planning in the region. idk but i have seen the papers pick up on it a lot lately

              Holy bad opsec.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            A carrier moves and wouldn't park itself off their coast. Hypersonics that maneuver quickly lose all speed advantage as they manuever and non maneuverable hypersonics would be useless against a naval fleet not in port. I have a feeling we'll soon find out they are a wunderwaffen only good at hitting stationary targets.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Hypersonics that maneuver quickly lose all speed advantage as they manuever and non maneuverable hypersonics would be useless against a naval fleet
              Got any proof of that homosexual?

              what the frick would the US know about hypersonics?
              the only thing the US knows about them, they learned watching tape replays of Russian and Chinese deployments

              lol or Kinozhal strikes being intercepted by ukrainian infrastructure/peoples heads

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        All I'm going to say is that only hear about the hypersonic program failures of the US. There's so, SO much happening that the public doesn't know about.

        t. DoE glonig

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          What's the juiciest piece of non-secret infio you know of that the public isn't aware about, Mr DoE man? I find it so fascinating that the DoE is a crypto glow agency that most people assume runs the power plants.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >but they have apparently made leaps
        uh oh someone watch the sparrow population

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Given that they are deforesting to convert the land they reclaimed last time back into farmland just wait a few years. Also sparrow population is apparently already zero because they leave nets up in the woods to catch all the birds. I guess they must control they locust population by eating them as well.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >i hate [acceptable scapegoats] as much as any other capitarist but china missile go really fast!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you actually knew China you would recognize it as the corrupt dystopic shithole that it is. China doesn't invent anything, they only steal and maintain a facade outwards to the rest of the world that everything is great in China. They care more about appearances than anything actually working. This applies to every single thing in their society

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Please keep believing that

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          read up on how 'made in germany' became a staple for quality; same thing happening with china

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >same thing happening with china
            But inverse, right? Like they're known for making cheap, crappy everything.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              you know the whole reason why 'made in germany' was a thing because the world got sick of germany copying products and making crappy versions thus requiring them to signefy it was made in germany, after a while of copying other peoples shit they got good at making it; just like china.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Except China has been doing it for almost half a century, even with foreign manufacturing being moved there they still produce faulty, cheap everything. There must be some kind of difference between Germans and the Chinese.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, your views are just 20yrs out of date

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, that's still the general consensus, that Chinese products are cheap garbage. Sorry, Chang, you're going to have to work harder to change this perception.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao, ha yah, the superior German automobile that breaks down every 88th mile, requiring $10k in proprietary service, and a monthy $ contract to use the steering wheel or brakes

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What the frick are you even talking about? They call it chink shit for a reason, just have a look at 99% of the stock on aliexpress. This gaslighting bullshit you're trying to pull wouldn't even work on /misc/, wumao. Get your shit together.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, that's still the general consensus, that Chinese products are cheap garbage. Sorry, Chang, you're going to have to work harder to change this perception.

                Black person if you looks for cheap shit on alibaba you will find cheap shit, a vast majority of industrial equipment is made in china is because its cheaper and better. I can only speak for europoors but EU is losing its car consumer base to china, they make them better and cheaper. I don't suppose this will be any different in detroit, with the exeption of tesla; who also produces in china. China is following the path of 1900 germany

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >made in china is because its cheaper and better
                >and better.
                Take this (You)

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Chinese and quality goods is the funniest thing so far in this thread

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Implessive

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How can a country struggling to make jet engines have hypersonics ?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      probably because they don’t have the same design pressures

      sorta like how russian jet engines were meh at best but they had the most advanced rocket engine designs for a good while and are still somewhat competitive in that field

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The nice thing about hypersonic rockets is the engine only has to work once.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks to Sänger, a nazi scientist who theorised a gliding trajectory back in WW2 to bomb New York from Berlin despite Germany not having any intercontinental bomber, by building a HGV that would "bounce & glide". This same scientist was brought to the US in operation paperclip where he got in touch with Qian Xueshen a Chinese American co founder of the jet propulsion institute (and also worked in the Manhattan project) who learned about Sängers ideas and made some in adjustments to that trajectory. But the US at the time was more interested in Von Braun's rockets instead.
      Then Qian was forced back to China after the growing anti-Chinese sentiment in the US due to the Korean War, in exchange for some US POWs
      Once in China he helped China develop their own space program, their nukes and set up the basis for the DF-17 HGV with his own custom gliding trajectory which is a simplified one from Sänger's

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >This same scientist was brought to the US
        He never came to the US, and the US never recruited him. There's a 3 volume, 1000 page "essay" on the history of hypersonic flight that goes into all this.
        >co founder
        No, he was a grad student to the founders, that is all.
        >Then Qian was forced back to China
        You mean because he was a literal commie sympathetic to the CCP, and ended up doing exactly as he was accused? Stealing US research and giving it to the commie CCP.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >No, he was a grad student to the founders, that is all.
          I know mutts like to make shit up, but this is embarrassing

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            奴隶农奴

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >accuses someone of making up information then sources Wikipedia.
            Lmao

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No he was heavily pressured out of his roles because of communist accusations, which then meant the only place he was accepted was back in China. The navy directly pushed him into the CCPs arms, he wasn’t sending them shit until after he left the US.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Just copy 50 year old Pershing missiles and you too can crow about your memesonics.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because if their jets were going to be Single Use flying in one direction they wouldn't be having problems with jet engines.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Russian and Chinese hyoersonic missiles are literally just ballistic missiles that fly a flatter trajectory.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Different technology?

      One is reliability/efficiency with conventional liquid jet fuel burning engine, other is solid fueled rockets

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      /k/ keeps saying this but seems to think it's still 2010. See picrel and seethe westoid, this is only the beginning.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ...?
        Is this a joke?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So millions of Chinese will die?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        ...?
        Is this a joke?

        Shit, wrong pic. Meant to use this one.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because hypersonics have been a thing since the 1950s.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because they're using a Pershing II clone and it exists mostly hypothetically.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Because they aren't hypersonic. They are "hypersonic" in that they do go faster than mach 5, but they do so because they are ballistic missiles, not a cruise missile. True hypersonic missiles are cruise missiles that fly low and fast to give little warning of it coming.

      No one called the V2 rocket a hypersonic, yet it meets their usage of the word.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    This post convinced me that India should be range banned.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      india and china, despite brics, aren't as pally pally as you'd assume

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Indians are pally with anyone if you throw them a couple of rupees. Given that Indians have lower wages and a better general understanding of the English language and Western sensibilities (bear in mind that I'm comparing them to chinks here, so the bar for those things is low), the chinese would be idiots if they didn't outsource some of their shilling to india.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I never assumed they were pals based on the Grog tier border clubbing and Pakistan's Sino wiener sucking. With Russia going to shit you'd think they'd at least have the cunning to pivot more towards the West. Though I guess they're still salty about the British Raj.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I would accuse an indian of rolling in its own shit, of shilling for the failed Russian invasion and of scamming all grandmas with the dumbest crap, but never, ever of shilling for China. Chinks got their troll sweatshops for that.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    HGVs avoid midcourse/exoatmospheric interceptors like SM-3, but you can intercept them in the terminal phase.

    SM-6 can do so, pac-3 and THAAD possibly as well.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It take 3-4 interceptor to intercept one hypersonic.
      1. You don't have enough interceptor to intercept thousands of hypersonic missiles
      2. It cost you more in interceptor than it cost China in term of missiles.
      It's just a matter of industrial capacity and attrition in the end, and China has the USA beat by a massive margin

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        China doesn't have thousands. China has hundreds. Each hypersonic missile costs hundreds of millions of dollars, so in cost THAAD and HGV are comparable in price.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          And America doesn't have the quality assurance issues that are deeply endemic to Chinese defense procurement (and practically all their heavy industry).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Mfw my product fails a safety audit and we find out that our chink reflector supplier has been quality testing only the best performing cavity of a four cavity tool because the other three won’t pass and falsifying test report headings

            135000 recalled units later…

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          China has around 1000+ DF-21, a few hundred DF-26, at least 600+ YJ-21. That make well over a thousand.

          >Each hypersonic missile costs hundreds of millions of dollars
          I think you are mistaken prototype vs mass production.
          Missiles like YJ-21 and DF-21 only cost between 10-20mil each, and DF-17 only cost around 2Mil each.
          SM6 cost around 5Mil per missiles; interception is not cost effective.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Interception is cost effective, you drooling moron. If you spend a $5 million missile to protect a $100 million target that's worth it.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You need 3-4 SM6 to intercept a YJ-21 ASBM.
              Interception is costing more to you than the missile you are intercepting.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You're speaking with an awful lot of certainty for a missile we know very little about its capabilities and performance.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                3-4 SM6 is what you usually sent against a hypersonic missile.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No, it's not. They take out MRBMs, eMRBMS, and IRMBs with two at most.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You need 3-4 SM6 to intercept a YJ-21 ASBM.
                Proof? Also, proof that the YJ-21 even works?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >it’s going to cost more!!!
                The true cost to China will be the smouldering crater that the launch vehicle and ammo depot left after retaliation. You really think you can win a war of attrition in the short term against the US? You’re not going to overwhelm them, and even if you could theoretically drain their interceptor stocks over a long period they’re going to come push your shit in long before that. The only “victory” China could have is taking down an isolated carrier strike group but as soon as the word is out they will have every asset in the pacific on the way to molest as many Chinese as possible. It’s like you people forget Pearl Harbor. Hee hee

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It costs too much, silly gaijin!! You can't just shoot down our missiles, it doesn't make economic sense long-term!
                But we have more money than you
                This sounds like poor people problems

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                your empire will fall, amerimutt

                imagine using a slave country to produce your products and actually get beaten by them in the span of 50 years

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The shitposter has now lost the script and has gone insane.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >posting graph
                >gone insane

                enjoy your high fructose corn syrup while it lasts

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >imaginary line goes up!
                >nothing is falsified, trust me bro!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how are those 11.99$ for eggs? werent they like 2.99$ last year?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >$11.99 eggs
                Fricking where? They haven't gone up in price here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                China's GDP is completely propped up by building giant empty cities in the desert and have them rot and collapse years later.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"Muh GDP"
                GDP means absolutely fricking nothing,
                in service based economy,
                a twitch prostitute can suck wiener for $10mil then go to the plastic surgery clinic
                and get new boobs an LA mansion for $15mil, such act increases gdp by $25mils
                while producing nothing of value.
                Service based economies are sham.
                GDP is a completely useless metric in determining the ability of a country,
                especially in today's world
                where the economy is basically just israeli numbers on a screen and meaningless service-economy bullshit.
                If you do not produce anything, you're worthless.
                The EU has basically de-industrialized itself besides a few sectors that are not self-sufficient anyway.
                Subjects of the EU are now economically integrated in a codependent manner similar to the territories of Austria-Hungary,
                which means that none of them are able to independently operate effectively without all of the others.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Pot metal is not a good metric of health for a nation

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You do realize that if you use the same definition of "industrial" as is standard for other nations then the Chinks have about half as much industrial production as the US, roughly the same as Germany or Japan. China counts construction, the trucks which move products to the job site the fricking catering companies which service the construction workers, auto-mechanics, electricians, plumbers, ect as industrial production because they are making or assembling material products. Nobody else uses those criteria to define industrial production, they count as services. Construction alone accounts for 32% of the Chinese GDP. And of the remaining actual industrial production 30% is concrete which goes into construction. So even assuming none of the construction was shit or was a malinvestment, assuming all the concrete made was of sufficient quality for the purpose, assuming all the Chinese GDP numbers weren't bullshit even though they didn't change when the Chinese just said "oops we over-counted our population by 250 million people", even assuming everything China says is correct that still means those other powers have as much or more industrial output than China.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >China has around 1000+ DF-21, a few hundred DF-26, at least 600+ YJ-21
            May I see them? Besides, the number of launch platforms are most important as that dictate how many you are able to launch at once. Also, China's ability to protect said launchers, and not get BTFO by B-2/21, F-35, etc. carrying AARGM-ER, MALD, JSOW, JASSM/JASSM-ER, JMS, etc. Can you show me how Chiner will protect its assets?

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No we didn't see a PAC or Kinzhal. We saw a trip to a construction site.
    >inb4 it was real in my mind

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >hypersonics

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nothing, neither do the chinese. If it is actually as they say I doubt any weapon can intercept with good reliability and somewhat understandable price for the next 10-20 years.
      What I dont understand is why even bother. An all out nuclear conflict will have so many warheads flying that no anti air in the world will be able to put up with it. It just seems like a pretty good way to spend a lot of money.

      maneuverable and non-maneuverable hypersonics are completely different things.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nothing, neither do the chinese. If it is actually as they say I doubt any weapon can intercept with good reliability and somewhat understandable price for the next 10-20 years.
      What I dont understand is why even bother. An all out nuclear conflict will have so many warheads flying that no anti air in the world will be able to put up with it. It just seems like a pretty good way to spend a lot of money.

      maneuverable and non-maneuverable hypersonics are completely different things.

      >stealing serb memes
      We are better than this guys

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That's the definition of a meme, it passes on and mutates through time.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, why not just have a drone suicide into it?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Drones aren't magic anon. If anything that's adding the human element that can't react as fast as an ABM's guidance system.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Only problem us timely detection and launch. The faster it goes, the less manouverable and more predictable it is. Then you just need to place few roadblocks on it's path.

    So in essence what we need to talk about is radar systems and detectors but most specs for them are classified.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    have they figured out how to avoid a plasma sheath forming and giving us a few minutes to prepare counter measures?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they said they have

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        So that's a no then

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?

    Patriot Air Defense System.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What the hell ever happened to the BrahMos?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >What the hell ever happened to the BrahMos?
      Its still exists....It's just a Russian missile being produced by India as a joint venture.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Is this why India has such a hard on for russia? Majority of their military equipment is joint developed with russia?
        I can’t even wrap my head around how a nation like India needs russian help in developing a fricking service rifle.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's not a hard on for russia per se but simply the inability to accept that they'll be once again be under the yoke of western/anglo powers given entire national character at this point can be summarized as "muh golden age until colonialism" and "superpooper in 20XX!".

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I’m surprised India hasn’t cultivated some sort of bacteria that could be used as a weapon given their “hygiene standards”

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It's not a hard on for russia per se but simply the inability to accept that they'll be once again be under the yoke of western/anglo powers given entire national character at this point can be summarized as "muh golden age until colonialism" and "superpooper in 20XX!".

          At least Russia waited until the 2010s to do these joint ventures. France handed over aviation technology to India to license produce in the 1990s!

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >waited
            Russia/SU was too preoccupied with not collapsing into a billion microstates around that time. Selling what amounts to aviation cum socks to India was the furthest from the Politburo's agenda.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Russia/SU was too preoccupied with not collapsing into a billion microstates around that time. Selling what amounts to aviation cum socks to India was the furthest from the Politburo's agenda.
              Actually because of its financial crisis the USSR offered to sell weapons to many of its enemies in the late 1980s, such as Iran and Israel, the former of which took the offer. Then in the 1990s the Russian Federation gave weapons to South Korea in lieu of cash as payments for trade debts from the 1980s.

              Nevertheless, Russia was apparently not desperate enough to hand over weapons manufacturing technology to anyone at that time, whereas France giving away helicopter and jet fighter engines and subsystems manufacturing technology to India just shows how moronic France is, always has been and always will be.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because no one wants to give Indians tech transfer without a fat fricking check

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >can’t even wrap my head around how a nation like India needs
          The Ganges is a giant sewage pipe for the 10 million ranjeeps to shit in daily.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The thirdie preoccupation with hypersonics baffles me. Low interceptable missiles only make sense once you've ironed out all the other links in the kill chain. Firing your $15 million missile into the void only for it to be useless because you never invested in intelligence gathering, guidance systems, and targeting networks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It makes sense if you want to hit a static installation. For China, with only a small nuclear stockpile to start with, it makes sense to invest in something which could be a strategic deterrent (if not full MAD) in the face of unknown US BMD effectiveness.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        You guys know what's an excellent strategic deterrence against the USA? Trade. Literally cover your country in McDonald's, and there's no way it's gonna get nuked. Ever. Xi went full moron.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        But not really. 1000kg warhead isn't a strategic deterrent. The U.S. has dealt with the reality of all its bases being nuke fodder for the last 70 years.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >For China, with only a small nuclear stockpile to start with
        Small in warhead number but not in yield. Most China's nuke are multi-megaton strategic nuke rather than tactical nuke.
        China have about 35% of US's total yield in 2009, it's probably much more now.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          China takes a no-first-use policy. So unless they go back on that, they have fewer weapons and that means a first strike could remove much of their yield. I think China has a long ways to go before it tries to reach a MAD outcome. But I also think nuclear buildup is not something anyone needs because it's not going to affect anything.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >thirdie preoccupation
      I was about to say that americans have been obsessed with them since the 80s but then I realised what you were getting at kek

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It is all about the looks

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >we saw the kinzhal get shot up by a pac 3 a day or two ago
    There's video?

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Having a competent military doctrine and foreign policy that promotes building up friendships.
    China can fire the first shots in a war, but hit or miss, the US and its partners get the last shots.

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    How is it any different than the projected swarms of Soviet missiles where some were bound to get through and make hits?
    How does it change the overall situation that even sinking carriers wouldn't leave the USN without recourse for absolutely pushing China's shit in?
    How does it close to gap that exists between the Chinese and American militaries as a whole?
    How does it achieve China goals but avoid all the consequences that would isolate them?

    >B-but missile go fast...
    Good for you.

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/news/2022/09/20/rmd-reaches-key-milestone-in-glide-phase-interceptor-development

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Have these things actually hit moving targets yet or are we still on "dude trust me bro."

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's all dude trust me.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics
    Oh, the imaginary ones.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?
    lmfao, no, and the US is 10+ years away from having one, thats HOW BAD they are

    the US simply threatens nuclear retaliation for any use of a hypersonic on them.
    China could force the US out of guam at any time it wants with the DF-17.

    from a position of utter weakness and submission, the US must threaten nuclear consequences for Russia/China's use of what should be "legal" conventional ordnance weapos, or else it will be publically evicted and humiliated from the last of its slave-vassals it keeps as global-terrorism launch spots
    >Taiwan
    >South Korea
    >Japan

    China will be heroes to the Taiwanese, literal actual liberators, come to excise the malignant tumor that is US occupation

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Implessive.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >lmfao, no, and the US is 10+ years away from having one, thats HOW BAD they are
      people knowingly posting moronic statements to collect replies should be banned

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >people knowingly posting moronic statements to collect replies should be banned
        It's ok if they're anti-Chinese statements. Look at the denial of their ASBM capabilities/inventory or the denial of Chinese SAR satellites.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          seek therapy, don't (you) me, homosexual

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I am well aware of the capabilities of the Chinese SARS (1 and 2)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >China could force the US out of guam at any time it wants with the DF-17.
      wat? have they suddenly improved df-17 range or something because last I checked guam is like twice the distance as the furthest a df-17 can go
      Did you mean df-26 or something

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        anon prob mean DF-27 which goes 5000-7000km

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Glorious China will annihilate the US Military.
      Ok I can accept that, so what is stopping you from doing it now exactly? If the US is so weak-willed, industrially weak and technologically backward it should be easy. So come on then do it, get it over with.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >stopping you from doing it now exactly
        US need to shot first. China violated US-Jap defense pact over 300 time around Senkaku Islands in 2022, the US didn't do shit.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >US needs to attack first.
          Why? Just invade Taiwan now, the US can't do shit. What are you waiting for?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Just invade Taiwan now
            For what? what does China gain?
            Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
            China will only attack Taiwan if the US get dragged into the war.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              surreal mental gymnastics

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
              China will only attack Taiwan if the US get dragged into the war.

              So you are saying that the CCP's bellyaching over Taiwan is all BS and they don't care. Lol ok. So then go wipe out the Pacific Fleet then. The US getting rekt a singular blow should end US hegemony. Go on do it

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You need an excuse to start a war moron.
                China has been provoking the USA via the US-Japanese defense pact

                >stopping you from doing it now exactly
                US need to shot first. China violated US-Jap defense pact over 300 time around Senkaku Islands in 2022, the US didn't do shit.

                bit the USA pussied out

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >You need an excuse to start a war moron.
                sounds like abject cowardice to me, ask Bush how much of a reason he needed
                >China has been provoking the USA via the US-Japanese defense pact
                the US already retaliated economically to Chinese belligerence, and China is too pants-shittingly terrified to escalate past "provocation"
                enjoy being poor

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you flew around a few rocks in the sea and crow success?

                is that how you cope over rice?

                just fire a missile into tokyo bay then that will cause a reaction

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Then make up an excuse and do it. Like who do you need to convince? It not like the Chinese population won't be down to frick up the US after decades of propaganda. Oh no what will the rest of the world think? Their opinion doesn't matter because you are number 1,remember. You are the most powerful military force on the Planet. Destroy the US Navy now no excuses.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
              Couldn't you just... use Taiwan as an excuse and respond disproportionately if you wanted to end US hegemony? Japan invaded China over some blown up railway track they had up and running again before the end of the day. Some propaganda hack can put together a cover everyone will accept if you win (you are demilitarizing the seas for a more diverse and equitable maritime future), and then you can pin the USN to the American seaboard. That kills America's greatest geographic advantage (1 major coast on the Atlantic and Pacific), which kills American Hegemony. Since, y'know, that's really what China wants.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            They’re scared

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Ok I can accept that, so what is stopping you from doing it now exactly? If the US is so weak-willed, industrially weak and technologically backward it should be easy. So come on then do it, get it over with.
        lmfao, be careful what you wish for you homosexual shill, you just might get it

        lol cant wait to see how the US media will spin the embarrassment
        the media shitstorm ALONE will be worth it

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Then do it. No balls.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            US need to fire tge first shot

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >The US isnt getting beat fast enough of 2 continents
            lol dont worry, once we wrap up losing the Russian invasion, the US invasion of Taiwan will commence.

            China will surround Taiwan, and Taiwan will literally work WITH CHINA to flush out the the US malignant tumor, who's sole presence on the island is blowing up TSMC the moment Chinese ships move to encircle

            the US entire strategy is
            >"We will blow up TSMC if you do anything, chink-bugz!"
            thats it

            thats the whole strategy in Asia

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              China don't care about TSMC lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >China don't care about TSMC lol
                TSMC is fricking the entire objective of BOTH nations
                the US swears to GOD it will detonate the facility if China tries to liberate Taiwan from American occupation

                China's entire strategy is to encircle Taiwan, and hopefully the Taiwan+China alliance can swiftly, if not immediately neutralize the US threat to TSMC
                China will be viewed as 'liberators' in Taiwan,
                the US will be exposed as the dirty israeli occupiers they are, yet again

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >TSMC is fricking the entire objective of BOTH nations
                Your brain on propaganda

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao, so I hate you homosexuals so much, I just want to see your heads smashed on concrete

                explain to me the geopolitical signifigance of Taiwan, if not for its literally one of a kind Chip-fabbing industry?

                explain it like im 5
                go ahead
                explain to me the military signifigance of Taiwan, that makes it an asset the US military prioritized MOST in its 2023 budget
                >(fortifying Guam)

                you homosexual westoid shills literally have no brains,
                NONE

                moron take, taiwan hate china and will burn TMSC to the ground if they have to and china knows this

                Taiwan is going to eject the US in a pro-wrestling esq face turn.
                the US main and ONLY threat is that it will detonate those facilities, to the utter and complete loss of Taiwan and China

                why would the US threaten that?
                why?
                https://www.businessinsider.com/us-would-destroy-taiwan-semiconductor-factories-avoid-china-trump-adviser-2023-3

                Theres a hundred more articles from a hundred separate sources, all with the the same identical warning
                >the US will detonate TSMC, in the event it loses its vassal "Taiwan"

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                how is this different from taiwan doing it themselves, your brain is fried on businiss insider and listening to peter zayan for to long

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >how is this different from taiwan doing it themselves
                Taiwan WOULDNT do this to themself, EVER
                its the same logic that Russia destroyed its own nord-stream, which im sure your homosexual ass 100% hands down believes

                Taiwan wants the US yoke off their fricking neck and China will absolutely remove it for them

                With TSMC in Chinese/liberated-Taiwans hands, the US could be 'sanctioned' and utterly massively fricked with on a level that has never been experienced in the western world, LET ALONE the US

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >all that fanfic

                Lmao blow it out your ass turdie, country flags when?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh dear, it's trying to pretend the Russians didn't blow up Nord Stream, too
                Yikes!
                You know it's still very obvious it was self-sabotage, right? The louder you protest (with no evidence), the more I believe it to be true.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > Taiwan wants the US yoke off their fricking neck
                Lol.
                Lmao.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Turd worlder mandrama enthusiast is incredibly delusional.
                Day ends in Y

                >all that fanfic

                Lmao blow it out your ass turdie, country flags when?

                what a fricking strategy you got
                >i know, we'll just call him 'brown' or an 'indian'!
                every time I see a 'post hands' 'thirdie' or 'muh ur brown' post
                i know whatever I said "won" and ran up against the literal government assigned 'actionable speech' you are here to combat/shill against

                every skin-color post on /k/ is an admission of defeat, in and of itself

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Im winning because I said so
                Immature and butthurt over memes lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >someone said they were winning!
                >better make a post to remind them they arent!
                the absolute state of the infantile reaction-matrix of nafo homosexuals

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Winners usually dont have to remind people desperately in butthurt angry rants that they're winners.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Turd worlder mandrama enthusiast is incredibly delusional.
                Day ends in Y

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                moron take, taiwan hate china and will burn TMSC to the ground if they have to and china knows this

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No it isn't. China wanted Taiwan long before TSMC was even globally prominent. Getting TSMC is a really nice side bonus of sending the west into haywire, but it's not necessarily needed for PRC leadership.
                Especially when they have proven remarkably capable at manufacturing at-scale and are trying to jump start their own chip industries. SMIC is already at 7nm processes and there's some interesting chinese patents floating about for making their own EUV processes. When they eventually achieve those, they don't need TSMC, period.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you absolute braindead polish idiot.

                this has nothing to do with China "needing" TSMC
                its has to do with China's ability to deprive the US of its sole and ONLY source of high tech semiconductor production.

                The US is frantically scrambling to stand up domestic chip production sites, but ALREADY is accepting the reality that these will be woefully inadequate, both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.

                TSMC in Taiwan is the single most important strategic asset to the US, and is the sole reason Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have US occupation forces dominating their countries

                any attempt at any other argument outside the full and undivided acceptance that everything I said is "true" is nafo moronation of the highest order

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >China doesn't need it
                Then why do they want it
                >The sole reason Japan has American military presence is Taiwan
                ???
                Did you forget a certain event that happened between 1939 and 1945?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Then why do they want it
                with TSMC in Chinese and liberated Taiwans hands, the US has no alternative. ZERO
                The US is frantically scrambling to stand up domestic chip production sites, but ALREADY is accepting the reality that these will be woefully inadequate, both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.

                TSMC in Taiwan is the single most important strategic asset to the US

                Winners usually dont have to remind people desperately in butthurt angry rants that they're winners.

                >Winners usually dont have to remind people desperately in butthurt angry rants that they're winners.
                lol totally agree
                slava ooohkrahnya
                hero salami!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Seething this hard about virtue signalling from morons
                What a "winner" lol

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >this has nothing to do with China "needing" TSMC
                That contradicts what was written here
                >TSMC is fricking the entire objective of BOTH nations
                Yes, depriving the US of TSMC would be a huge win for them.
                But it's simply the means to the end, which is ending the civil war and getting Taiwan back into the fold.
                You are confusing the means with the ends here.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.

                you're literally fricking moronic. intel - up until 5 or so years ago - was the best in the game. now they're still a close second, with nobody else nearby (except maybe micron/samsun/sk/etc, but DRAM manufacturing is a fundamentally different process)
                where the frick do you think their fabs are? where does their r&d happen? if TSMC goes, china relies *entirely* on domestic production. if TSMC goes, the US relies on, gee: the US, israel, south korea, japan, germany.. US allies make up 9 of the top 10 semiconductor manufacturing countries. china is in 5th. have a nice day you absolute clown person.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                cuked yourself and stumbeld over your own contradictions, good job! Don't forget to subscribe to Vox, Vice and Business Insider for more chip fandom and moronic geopolitical takes

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                illiterate ESL homosexual

                "need" doesnt imply "China needs the chips from TSMC"
                no the "need" here is:
                >"China NEEDS to capture an intact TSMC, which will be a massive boon in sanctioning and actually hard-damaging the US

                in this case possessing TSMC is a weapon against the US itself, its not the chips china is after, its about possessing the SOURCE of ALL US semiconductor production, in a single blow

                how are you struggling so hard with vocabulary?

                > both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.

                you're literally fricking moronic. intel - up until 5 or so years ago - was the best in the game. now they're still a close second, with nobody else nearby (except maybe micron/samsun/sk/etc, but DRAM manufacturing is a fundamentally different process)
                where the frick do you think their fabs are? where does their r&d happen? if TSMC goes, china relies *entirely* on domestic production. if TSMC goes, the US relies on, gee: the US, israel, south korea, japan, germany.. US allies make up 9 of the top 10 semiconductor manufacturing countries. china is in 5th. have a nice day you absolute clown person.

                >where the frick do you think their fabs are?
                literally show me where these "fabs" are

                i want you to post literal actual links, photos all of it, of the most advanced gen. chip production, at industrial scale, OUTSIDE of Taiwan

                ill wait you colossal b***h, ill wait right here for you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                There is nothing extremely novel about TSMC, they just are the best at what they do. Unlike ASML and ZEISS which are irreplicable. TSMC is of little strategic importance.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                TSMC will be Nordstreamd before China gets it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >TSMC will be Nordstreamd before China gets it.
                no shit, the US literally promises this.
                however,
                Taiwan surely knows, that without TSMC their country has no meaning at all strategically, and only China and liberation by China, promise to keep this vital industry intact

                in all scenarios, the US destroys TSMC the moment it realizes vassalized Taiwan is lost

                https://i.imgur.com/iG5M1A8.png

                Anyone who thinks TSMC will provide any strategic significance during a chinese invasion of taiwan is a absolute moron. There are zero (0) senario's in which TSMC does not become a pile of ash by either chinese, american or domestic attacks; let alone that it will continue exporting chips.

                China wants taiwan for taiwan and does not give a single shit if TSMC turns to dust, Taiwan wouldnt want the Chinese to get their hands on TSMC, buring it to the ground. If by some miracle both parties havent blown up the place US spies or JASSM's wil. TSMC is of 0 (zero) importance during the invsions because the end result is it will always be a pile of rubble. Do you really think the US will try and retain a trade corridor from taiwan to the US to get the 2nm chip in to the iphone during an active invasion by china? They can survive without those chips as they have the entire western world to place a new FAB.

                the absolute state of you shills

                the entire "Taiwan conflict" is over TSMC and the leverage controlling TSMC illicits over US hegemony.

                the US would plummet to 2nd world status the moment TSMC is out of US occupiers hands

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >US will destroy TSMC rather than let China have it
                >If China gets TSMC US will become second world tier
                I think you mean nothing changes in power rankings since China wont be able to use a smoldering wreck but civilian computers get more expensive for a while.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                see

                There is nothing extremely novel about TSMC, they just are the best at what they do. Unlike ASML and ZEISS which are irreplicable. TSMC is of little strategic importance.

                how is your brain so rotten

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the entire "Taiwan conflict" is over TSMC and the leverage controlling TSMC illicits over US hegemony
                What leverage did TSMC have over US hegemony from 1949-1987? RoC didn't start fleeing to Taiwan until 1949.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yes I'm sure the first worlders of Taiwan are just clamouring for Chinese QoL.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Americans sure love making fake vids

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You literally just changed the text, subhuman. What in the world is wrong with you?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                not one single person saw this video and thought "China"
                not one

                Goyslop is as unique to America as applepie or baseball

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hillsboro oregon you 50 gallon barrel of Black person.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you said a word

                I told you to fricking physically show me proof there is an industrial scale fab, on US or US vassal soil, that is producing state-of-the-art chipsets and semiconductors

                you cant show me that
                you wont show me that
                because it doesnt fricking exist
                full stop

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Samsung Electronics (South Korea)
                Intel Corporation (United States)
                SK Hynix (South Korea)
                Micron Technology (United States)
                GlobalFoundries (United States)
                Toshiba Memory Corporation (Japan)
                Sony Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (Japan)

                Yea no the US is totally screwed without TSMC, moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                more meaningless names, next to nation names

                Hillsboro is where Intel is dummy

                another meaningless name, next to a name

                I literally told you to prove to me those 'names' you keep typing, are producing chips and semiconductors that match OR exceed the quality and quantity put out by TSMC / Taiwan chip production

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > told you to fricking physically show me proof there is an industrial scale fab, on US or US vassal soil, that is producing state-of-the-art chipsets and semiconductors

                >all state of the art

                Shure its no 2nm but who cares when its 5mn, theres inceremental betterments are meaningless for both sides as...you guest it, they are of little strategic importance.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                chirst my ESL is showing

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Hillsboro is where Intel is dummy

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                have you heard of a company named intel before? genuine question, i mean it. do you know what a semiconductor is? process node? are these just words you read in a schizo post or do you actually know what a fab is? do you know what a chipset is?

                literally every advanced semiconductor manufacturer outside of taiwan is on US soil or US vassal soil. if TSMC gets blown up, intel is the sole cutting edge semiconductor manufacturer on the planet. their chips are made in the US, israel, ireland, and germany. and that's just for bleeding edge, for military manufacturing (which is in fact *never* cutting edge for obvious reasons) your manufacturing is done in.. DING DING DING! the US, israel, germany, south korea, japan..

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
                https://www.yahoo.com/video/top-10-semiconductor-manufacturing-countries-170616248.html

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                holy absolute frick, you keep telling me company names, but have been utterly and completely incapable of proving their production matches or EXCEEDS TSMC in either QUANTITY or QUALITY of chip/semiconductor produced

                how are you struggling this hard?
                how?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                you must be at least 18 to post here

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                THAT'S. NOT. EVEN. THE. FRICKING. POINT.
                TSMC is largest and the best, in every category, no shit. we're talking about who stands to gain if they get BTFO.
                >QUANTITY
                china makes up 12% of global semiconductor manufacturing. US (alone, NOT including allies) makes up 17%. if TSMC blows up, who wins that trade? hint: not fricking china.
                >QUALITY
                >US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE
                citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                US makes almost 1/5 of all chips you communist bandit

                https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states

                youre so fricking God awful stupid, its unreal

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >installed worldwide capacity
                >installed
                Intel 4 is coming out this year and has already entered limited rate production, but where did 7nm EUV production go for SMIC? frick around and find out

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"more vapor ware is coming, i swear!"
                fricking clown, do your dance

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
                AHAHAHHAHAHAH
                AHAHAHHAHAHA

                >PRODUCTION column
                Insert US site name: empty box

                HAAHHAHAHA
                AHAHAHAHAH
                AHAHAHAHAH

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you know how to use wikipedia, tardlord.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't think you know how to use wikipedia, tardlord.
                ha yah, "empty box" must mean "alot" to the nafo brain

                probably was a number too big to fit in there, right?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Try checking that table again, there are a frickload of FAB's in the US. Can't wait until you turn 18 and can post here again.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Try checking that table again, there are a frickload of FAB's in the US. Can't wait until you turn 18 and can post here again.

                Frick load of fabs
                >Production: ZERO
                GOOSE EGG
                NOTHING

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                US makes almost 1/5 of all chips you communist bandit

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                THAT'S. NOT. EVEN. THE. FRICKING. POINT.
                TSMC is largest and the best, in every category, no shit. we're talking about who stands to gain if they get BTFO.
                >QUANTITY
                china makes up 12% of global semiconductor manufacturing. US (alone, NOT including allies) makes up 17%. if TSMC blows up, who wins that trade? hint: not fricking china.
                >QUALITY
                >US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE
                citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed

                >citation needed citation

                https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states

                LMFAO, you absolute fricking homosexual frick

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                we went from tsmc being a strategic target to 'muh usa can't produce chips' why are you so afraid to admit no one gives a shit about tsmc strategically during an invasion of taiwan.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao, so in your poisoned troony-mind, what is the strategic reason for ANY US presence in Taiwan in the first place, if not securing the VITAL TSMC production plants?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >ANY US presence in Taiwan

                The US has thirty nine (39) military personnel in Taiwan

                Yea Taiwan is super VITAL guys, 39 guys will do

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The US has thirty nine (39) military personnel in Taiwan
                That you know of.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh right I forgot the CIA clow car divisions my bad, moron.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                clown* car, good we have to speculate on wether its 39 or 100, all seems very VITAL to me

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >nothing 'article'
                show me a single paper that shows SMIC chips outperform intel in any way, ever
                show me a single paper that shows TSMC chips are 200% better in any category than intel
                show me that you've read a single scientific paper in your entire life or are capable of comprehending one

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                don't you understand; hes not capable of thinking for himself he needs more mckinsey slides that reafirm his viewpoint instead of critically thinking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Huh its almost as if there is a logical reason why shit is blank on Wikipedia. Like bro use your brain for two seconds. It would be physically impossible for intel to make money if it didn't build shit. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intels-long-awaited-fab-42-is-fully-operational

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the whole world publishes figures
                >the US, doesnt
                lol convienient
                same strategy with the astronomical hohol death numbers (~390k casualties lol)

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh look the all knowing all seeing Wikipedia says that there are plants in China not building anything. China is lying about being able to build anything. It is simply impossible because wikipedia said so right anon

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                go ahead you stupid b***h homosexual, show screenshots from the rest of the table from China, go ahead homosexual, go ahead

                https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states

                the same homosexual think-tank that funds your b***h wass probably wrote this

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The US is actively making moves to expand so again what is your point. Also again it is not just the US, Taiwan and China building chips so even if China invades Taiwan the US can still get shit form South Korea and Europe. Lastly if takes invading Taiwan to destroy US Hegemony Dominance what the frick is taking China so long to do it. The are better the US in every metric remember?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                LMFAO,
                >announced
                >considering
                lol FRICKING VAPOR WARE

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                they have 5 years before taiwan gets invaded, plenty of time moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >they have 5 years before taiwan gets invaded
                got any proof for that homosexual?
                or is it more wishful thinking from Washington?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/21/taiwan-foreign-minister-warns-of-conflict-with-china-in-2027

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >they have 5 years before taiwan gets invaded
                got any proof for that homosexual?
                or is it more wishful thinking from Washington?

                >implying the chinks are ever going to invade Taiwan
                They know full well the PLA isn't up to the task of an amphibious invasion.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >They know full well the PLA isn't up to the task of an amphibious invasion.
                imagine thinking China will need "boots on the ground" to physically kill and maim Taiwan

                theyre not going to even touch land, they will simply blockade it, and Taiwan, finally safe from US aggression will willingly turn-face and re-unite with China

                the US will attempt to detonate TSMC in retaliation, and will likely fail

                thats the entire "Chinese invasion of Taiwan"
                in a single post

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                pla shill but ur halfway there

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon again you keep ignoring that there are 44 brand new fabs under conduction. Also these companies are not like some dude on Indiegogo trying to raise scam money. They are major multibillion dollar companies, meaning they are way more likely to go through with it. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46581.pdf

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                THEY DONT FRICKING EXIST YOU ABSOLUTE homosexual
                >"le under contstruction"
                so what they will be at operational "Gold" status in 5 years? 2030?

                do you have any brain at all?
                what fricking happened in poland that made all of you such collossal homosexuals?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                jezus chirst are you autistic? 10 people in this thread say your wrong yet you still try try to move the goalspost every time someone shoves a evidence in your mouth.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >"10 homosexuals keep posting about theoretical vapor-ware chip factories that DO NOT EXIST, are'nt even under construction, havent put out a single chip to market, and wont put a single chip out on to market before 2030 at the absolute earliest"

                having things shoved in your mouth is probably the only thing you have experience in you utter homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                does not make tsmc any more strategically relevant in case of a chinese invasion of taiwan but i dont think your brain will ever process that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You are beyond moron, you are a gigatard. The US not only builds its own Chips, but designs them as well. Something you also fail to take into account is that TSMC doesn't even design there own Chips. So even if China captures the TSMC Factories they don't even capture the people own design the chips themselves.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >the country that mastered reverse-engineering stolen designs wouldnt know what to do with a chip fab

                hah, ok, good luck with that one homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Again the US is still ahead because the US comes up with the designs first. Also the US can still build the chips without Taiwan.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Also the US can still build the chips without Taiwan.
                proof?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                homie you dispose of any proof you get, there is no reasoning with you

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                intel has a ~70% market share for CPUs, and AMD has a ~30%. that means even if the remaining fractional percentage points WERE taken up by chink designed chips (they aren't. period. those remaining points are all arm/power/mips/sparc/etc) it would mean chinese chip designs are still totally and unmentionably irrelevant.

                so if literally 70% of the planets IT infrastructure is manufactured by intel, tell me where intel makes their chips. do it, tell me. or are you now going to argue that data centers don't exist, and neither does the internet? just like factories don't exist?

                lets look at everything else while we're at it. huawei and unisoc design their own chips, right? china is a powerhouse for smartphones right?

                oh.. oh no it turns out huawei + unisoc have a <10% market share for mobile AP. the entire mobile world runs on chips designed by
                apple (US)
                qualcomm (US)
                mediatek (taiwan)
                samsung (SK)

                show me a single area where china designs cutting edge electronics. a single example where a design, process, IP, or standard is being led by the chinese. show me a single relevant computer outside of china that uses a chinese design.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                k, guess we'll see right homosexual shill?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >design, process, IP, or standard
                as if you morons understand any of these

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >It is fake because I say it is fake.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                LOL see pic related

                https://i.imgur.com/5eMGuDi.jpg

                [...]
                https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states

                youre so fricking God awful stupid, its unreal

                AHAHAHAHHAHA you absolute homosexual

                https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states

                illiterate absolute homosexual at that

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao, this is your brain on nafo homosexualry
                >Sales
                holy absolute shit,
                you do realize how israelites work right?
                >set up manufacturing in slave-state
                >produce $low, Profit $high
                >this is now somehow "sales" for the US, even though its in name only

                who gives a mother FRICK about "sales"
                TSMC is about 'production' and the US doesnt "produce" anything or anywhere near the quantity or quality of Taiwan

                LOL
                >"44 brand new fabs under construction"
                get back to me in 10 years when they spit out their first 5nm chip, 15 years behind whatever <.5nm China-mainland will be making by the time the US catches up

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                > you 50 gallon barrel of Black person.
                Lel. I’m going to have to remember that one

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >China will surround Taiwan
              >no effective nuclear attack submarines with only 6 rust buckets with an observed acoustic signature equal to Soviet tubs from the 80s
              >against 50 superior attack subs.
              What are they gonna do? Diesels can't dictate the engagement because they travel at 20 knots underwater for 20 minutes even with the best API and are up against quieter boats that can travel more than twice as fast indefinitely.

              >TSMC will be Nordstreamd before China gets it.
              no shit, the US literally promises this.
              however,
              Taiwan surely knows, that without TSMC their country has no meaning at all strategically, and only China and liberation by China, promise to keep this vital industry intact

              in all scenarios, the US destroys TSMC the moment it realizes vassalized Taiwan is lost

              [...]
              the absolute state of you shills

              the entire "Taiwan conflict" is over TSMC and the leverage controlling TSMC illicits over US hegemony.

              the US would plummet to 2nd world status the moment TSMC is out of US occupiers hands

              Is that you striker?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao

                https://navalpost.com/hswms-gotland-vs-uss-ronald-reagan/

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine

                as usual, reality is the exact opposite of your nafo garbage
                the entire US navy would be sunk, without a shot fired by the sound of it

                >US will destroy TSMC rather than let China have it
                >If China gets TSMC US will become second world tier
                I think you mean nothing changes in power rankings since China wont be able to use a smoldering wreck but civilian computers get more expensive for a while.

                so which is it you homosexual shills?
                >le TSMC is meaningless, no one wants or needs it
                or
                >TSMC is so strategically valuable, it will be the primary target of both the US and China, almost immediately

                you cant even keep message-discipline going post-to-post

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, how is China going to become implessive off of TSMC if the US destroys it? You cant have both.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                lol I would imagine a scenario where the US-occupation force of Taiwan, detonates TSMC to "deprive the Chinese of it"
                probably ends in Taiwan immediately turning towards China in an unbreakable alliance for vengence against the US occupiers.

                explain why Taiwan would want sociopathic maniacs, who PUBLICALLY SWEAR to destroy the entire soul of Taiwans economy, if they dont stay US vassals

                why would Taiwan want this arrangement?
                why would ANYONE want this

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Are you schizophrenic? Why are you now denying that the US would deny China TSMC if China invaded when before it was an accepted outcome?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                do you know how to read?
                what do they teach you homosexuals in poland?

                Any scenario where the US-occupation detonates Taiwans economy, simply to 'spite China'
                would almost certainly end with Taiwan aligning itself permenantly with China

                or do you think Taiwan would like to "stick it to China" and blow up the only industry that prevents them from becoming a meaningless rock in the middle of the Pacific ocean?
                why would Taiwan accept the US doing this, when all the US had to do is simply stay the frick out of their country to begin with?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                China will not get TSMC sorry. Your anger at reality doesn't change this.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >WE ARE LIBERATORS
      >Now prease get into sweatshops and stay behind our bamboo curtain thank you!
      What does through the mind of a chink other than what endangered species they should wipe out in order to make shitty soup and aphrodisiacs that don’t work?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Take this (You) and buy your kids a good meal tonight. On me.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Patriots. As shown in Ukraine.
    and the fact Patriots can be deployed practically anywhere, that means China is fricked if the US decides to ship a few container vessels of Patriot systems and ammunition Taiwan.
    Realistically, its better to fire 100 supersonic cruise missiles than 1-2 hypersonics. That's been the case since forever.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The SM series is generally more capable than the Patriot PAC 3

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    this is a fricking chicom fishing for info

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      us hypersonics programs are already published knowledge

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Realistically we could simple rely on them not working at all. However, we will likely invest billions of dollars countering said thing and whatever we develop will be 20-30 years ahead of the rest of the world. It will never serve any purpose or be used because the entire reason we developed it will have never existed, doesn't exist in the amount claimed or would never have functioned in the first place.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics
    How are they more "proper" than the kinzhal?

  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why do all the chinks skirt around the fact that any attack against a carrier group would be met with immediate nuclear response? try running the interception cost/benefit analysis on that one...

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The chinks do the same shit that russians do. All posturing with no thought given to the actual cost-benefit of that posturing. They are the road raging, skinnyfat, balding, inner-city 54 year old in the red truck on the intercontinental world stage freeway.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why are their missiles pointier than ours?

    Our missiles need to be more pointy. We cannot allow a cone gap.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you design around what you know, and everyone knows Chinese missile guys have never in their life seen a girthy penetrator

  27. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >The missile, it is too round at the top, it needs to be pointy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, It's meant to glide, thus the flatter and pointier body

  28. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    a missile going really fast can be intercepted by a missile going very slow, the fact that it is hypersonic just give less time to detect and intercept. Considering missiles are directly on the ship they are supposed to defend in the pacific, patriot intercepting kinzhal just show that hypersonic missiles are a nothing burger third world propaganda.

  29. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Simple, the US Patriot missile system. Memes aside it has better software than any Russian or Chinese missile and can intercept faster missiles.

  30. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE THESE THREADS BUT NO ONE WANTS TO TALKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT THE TOPIC.

    CHINA HAS A CAPABLE TEST PLATFORM (DF-27) THAT HAS A 'HIGH PROBABILITY OF PENETRATING BDM' SEE IMAGE

    SEEING AS THEY HAVE 2000 DF-21'S ITS REASONABLE TO ASSUME THEY WILL STOCKPILE THE DF-27 VARIANTS IN EQUAL NUMBERS SOONER OR LATER

    THIS MEANS EITHER THE US HAS TO UPDATE/UPGRADE ITS AD OR HAS TO CONCEDE SAILING ANYWHERE NEAR CHINA/TAIWAN IF IT WANTS TO GUARANTEE SAFETY OF ITS PASIFIC FLEET IN A FULL BLOWN CONFLICT

    EITHER WAY THE DF-27 POSES A SERIOUS THREAD/DETERANCE TO US NAVAL STRENGTH IN THE PASIFIC FOR WHICH THE US CURRENTLY LACKS AN AWNSER.

    I PERSONALLY BELIVE THIS CAPABILITY GAP WILL ONLY BE EXPLOITED POLITICALLY TO DETER AMERICAN INFLUENCE IN THE PASIFIC AS CHINA SEEKS TO WIN THE LONG GAME AND HAS NO INTEREST FIGHTING THE US FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT DOES IMPLY THE CHANCE US INTERVENTION DURING A INVASION OF TAIWAN MIGHT BE REDUCED, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS FOR BOTH SIDES IMO; M.A.D. E.T.C.

    I LOOK LIKE A SCHITZO

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Muh fleet strikes
      How hardened is China against US hypersonic strikes?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        does it matter? when will the US have a reason to launch a first strike against china? And the awnser is essential 0%. China has had 0% deterance from jassm's from the b-2 eversince the 90's. This is not their goal.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >China has had 0% deterance from jassm's from the b-2 eversince the 90's
          Not so stealthy subsonic missile

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn't matter, the US has retaliatory strike capabilities. This is like worrying over the USN during the cold war.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It does, in a senario where china attacks taiwan and tells everyone to frick off; if the US doenst it will be met with a missle strike on its naval fleet there.

            In this case there is a good chance the US lacks political will to go to war if their leaders tried to get them involved in a war halfway across the world because they ignored china its demands to frick off from taiwan. Although this is all speculation it is possible inept military provocation will lead to inefficient support by the public and cause a withdraw from the south china sea

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Ill tell you exactly what would happen. China invades Taiwan, the whole western world immediately calls for an intervention and for China to retreat. US puts their naval fleets in Chinas cope line waters. China will be under sanctions and Chinese industry will overnight have only African and Indian customers. China can choose to fight the US while their economy is in a death spiral and risk having strikes on shit they cant replace or they can cuck out and try to have a viable economy again in a few years. China is in no position to invade Taiwan.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I mean if you say so, in that case why even bother having a military in the first place? seems like a waste of space.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                For stomping random middling despots.

                And the US lose their navy and your inflation go to 200-300%.

                US economy is like 85%+ Autarchic in nature.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Because the dollar is backed by the military instead of gold and so far its been working out well.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                its about china moron

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And the US lose their navy and your inflation go to 200-300%.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                don't forget the civil unrest, insurections and withdraw of capital

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It's happening now. JPMORGAN went to meet the CCP, and European investments to in china (capital flight) increase by 600%

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Personally I don't see a transition to Yan but more diversification to euro, pound and eventually the world bank money

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                huge money is running from china every day

                3500 wealthy alone every month in one country in SEA

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                No ones investing in China. No one wants their companies to be owned by the Chinese. Western companies are flocking to Vietnam and other friendlier for business countries.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >to in china

                I know it may be hard for your small bug mind to comprehend, but 600% of nothing is still a small number.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I mean you could just shoot down all their satellites thus making it impossible for them to provide guidance even assuming they sufficiently mitigated the plasma sheathe issue. If they reciprocate the US actually has sufficient air assets for scouting while the Chinks are lacking. Once again assuming they can provide adequate guidance in the first place.

      It does, in a senario where china attacks taiwan and tells everyone to frick off; if the US doenst it will be met with a missle strike on its naval fleet there.

      In this case there is a good chance the US lacks political will to go to war if their leaders tried to get them involved in a war halfway across the world because they ignored china its demands to frick off from taiwan. Although this is all speculation it is possible inept military provocation will lead to inefficient support by the public and cause a withdraw from the south china sea

      What are they going to do about the 50 SSNs? They have to go out into deeper waters to secure Taiwan's eastern coast and they have essentially zero anti-submarine patrol capability.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        China its doctrene is first strike, ofcouse the US will beat them in any other senario. It just shows the prevelancy of missle tech china has if US tries to instal a blockade, the blockade will be crushed and as said earlier, there is litte political leeway for placing a carrier group in a corridor of death halfway around the globe.

        And once again the SSN senario is only usefull if america strikes first, which it wont.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >China its doctrene is first strike
          no its not you collossal homosexual, China is going to BLOCKADE, surround Taiwan, and then a combined Taiwan+China will excise the malignant cancerous tumor called:
          >"US occupation"
          from the island itself

          China will be hailed as liberators
          China+Taiwan will rip the US out like parasites, and cast them from the blockaded island

          the "blockade" will be to keep the US navy OUT, to destroy the US forces on the Island, and to protect Taiwan from the retalitory or 'first strikes' the US will inevitably attempt on TSMC

          Taiwan is an utterly meaningless rock outside of TSMC

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The moment China starts a blockade is the moment China will have to figure out how to run its export dependent economy on African, Russian and Indian customers only. Chinas economy will not exist the moment they decide on military action.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >The moment China starts a blockade is the moment China will have to figure out how to run its export dependent economy on African, Russian and Indian customers only. Chinas economy will not exist the moment they decide on military action.
              AHHAHAHAHAH yah, I bet America could cold turkey off Chinese labor and goods over night!
              totally within the first 24 hours !
              the US doesnt need Chinese manufacturing, and Chinese slave-labor built goods!
              the US economy totally doesnt depend on cheap, overseas made goods!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                America is already pivoting hard out of China though. Vietnam is the new clothing maker and Mexico already does large item manufacturing for cheap. If anything US injected plastic manufacturers like Tupperware will be saved from bankruptcy.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                hey, great, only 30more years of "pivoting" and the 'long-march" to Chinese de-coupling will be complete!

                lol more like 50+years but optimism

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The US has the least involved economy in the world you moron, shitholes in Africa import and export more than we do as a percentage of GDP. And half of our trade is with fricking Mexico.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                what does any of your homosexual statment have to do with the reality that 90% of consumer goods in the US come from China?

                you think America will just "stop consuming" so some globalist israelites can punish China?

                > told you to fricking physically show me proof there is an industrial scale fab, on US or US vassal soil, that is producing state-of-the-art chipsets and semiconductors

                >all state of the art

                Shure its no 2nm but who cares when its 5mn, theres inceremental betterments are meaningless for both sides as...you guest it, they are of little strategic importance.

                >Shure its no 2nm but who cares when its 5mn
                so the US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE than the ones made in Taiwan, and thats only AFTER the vapor-ware factories are finished, staffed and in production
                all of which
                is YEARS AND YEARS away

                meanwhile, Taiwan could kick off any day

                China will not get TSMC sorry. Your anger at reality doesn't change this.

                lmfao, if China goads the US into detonating TSMC it wins
                If China peacefully blockades Taiwan, forces the US out and captures intact TSMC it wins

                its win-win for China
                LOSE-LOSE for America

                HAHAHAH

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                You really are just moving goalposts around. Waste of time to talk with the child who thinks its make believe in the playground time.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                If TSMC blows up China would have zero ability to produce high end chips. Thats not a problem for the US.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                well they wont have for a while but they are seriously catching up, chinese progress is unironically 'implessive', besides they dont care about tsmc kys

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If TSMC blows up the US would have zero ability to produce high end chips. Thats not a problem for the China.
                ftfy homosexual

                >We never needed TSMC!
                Lmao

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                TSMC CEO sid that mainland will surpass TSMC in just 5-8 years. The whole Chip Act just made China less dependent on the West

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                yea, honestly right in time for their projected invasion of taiwan ~2027 and right in time for the US to complete their FAB projects, its almost like a bunch of smart people got together and figured all this stuff out way before us. Unfortunatly there is one moron in this thread who still thinks TSMC is some sort of golden bullet around which the world revolves. Speaking off the tsmc stock might be worth unironically shorting at some point but im too moronic for that.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This is factually false. Why do you vatBlack folk and chinksects always make shit up?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >If TSMC blows up the US would have zero ability to produce high end chips. Thats not a problem for the China.
                ftfy homosexual

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >so the US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE than the ones made in Taiwan
                >shOw ME ThE PHySIcal ProoF

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            do you know how many people have fought (and are fighting) over meaningless land?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Once again, a standing blockade, against a fleet of SSN's whose only equivalents are 8 British vessels which might also be participating? Even if the Chinese managed a successful invasion and set up air assets on the island I can't see this turning out well.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >make blockade around little island off your coast because you want it

              >NATO decides to sink your fleet

              In what senario does nato decide to sink a chinese blokade or involve it self in taiwan any other way. It would result in nuclear war. They are not going to do it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >NATO
                b***h the Murica, Bongistan, Emuland, assorted SEAnog countries, and Grorious Nippon don't constitute NATO. NATO is a European defense organization. North Atlantic Treaty Organization, it can't even be activated for on offensive war. Why do you think Ukraine gets a drip-feed of 30-50 year old surplus? NATO isn't even activated as a concerted unit, its NATO members who are allies independent of the NATO system fricking over Russia. The Chinks would have to attack the US without Provocation such as blockade breaking.

                Now if the Chinks attacked US ships in port as a first strike, then NATO would be involved but not until then.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            god you chicom fricks are insufferable, go munch a bat already goblin.

  31. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Carriers are great for beating up on 2nd or 3rd world countries and projecting soft power across the globe, but they're effectively useless when facing a country with a legitimate ASBM threat.
    Unless they can somehow locate enough and strike the DF-27 launch sites (which is escalatory if they're on the mainland) or interrupt the guidance I don't see how carriers can survive.
    Submarines and autonomous underwater vehicles will likely be more pivotal in the future.
    I honestly think we're approaching a point in time where escalation is inevitable in a war between the US and China if both sides are actually playing to win.
    The USN has to interrupt the kill chain somehow if they want to use their carriers in a war which is obviously how the USN would win.

  32. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who thinks TSMC will provide any strategic significance during a chinese invasion of taiwan is a absolute moron. There are zero (0) senario's in which TSMC does not become a pile of ash by either chinese, american or domestic attacks; let alone that it will continue exporting chips.

    China wants taiwan for taiwan and does not give a single shit if TSMC turns to dust, Taiwan wouldnt want the Chinese to get their hands on TSMC, buring it to the ground. If by some miracle both parties havent blown up the place US spies or JASSM's wil. TSMC is of 0 (zero) importance during the invsions because the end result is it will always be a pile of rubble. Do you really think the US will try and retain a trade corridor from taiwan to the US to get the 2nm chip in to the iphone during an active invasion by china? They can survive without those chips as they have the entire western world to place a new FAB.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I never actually realized that Taiwan has Islands that are literally right off the coastline of China.

      No wonder the Chinese have such a stick up their ass about Taiwan. They couldn't even claim a couple little islands.

  33. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    China aims for Taiwan because it'll end a almost century-long year civil war and give the party unbreakable legitimacy. The party has been consistent with this since it had full control of the mainland.
    TSMC is a completely secondary concern that came much later. End of story.

  34. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    the wumao cope in this thread has had me in stiches for the past half hour

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They almost pay these creatures to come seethe in here. It's bewildering.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      TSMC being nothing but everything has been pretty kino to watch

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >the wumao cope
      the single most inorganic 'shill' word ever uttered

      not one single white person, not one single "American" has a single sole fricking clue what a "wumao" is let alone would ever say it, speak it or type it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the wumao cries out in pain as he strikes you
        Your services have been noted.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >the single most inorganic 'shill' word ever uttered
        It's ironic because this bugman is paid to be here.

  35. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    ay yo this the thread where I raise my social score
    ne1 got them pointz?

  36. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Abracadabra, wand of pink! I cast my spell, "remove chink"!

  37. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Say "multipolar" again!

  38. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I just don't believe anything. There's so much posturing and propaganda involved in not showing destroyed M1A1's or how ineffective certain countries missile intercept system are against anything faster than a bottle rocket, etc. etc.

    I don't believe you until it's put into practice in an actual war.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      in the defence intel leak it was revealed the df-27 had a high probability to penetrate BDM, make of that what you will

  39. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they don't have hypermemes

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >they don't have hypermemes
      Only Indians and Greeks have that.

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