has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics? we saw the kinzhal get shot up by a pac 3 a day or two ago but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics (i hate chicoms)
has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?
has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics? we saw the kinzhal get shot up by a pac 3 a day or two ago but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics (i hate chicoms)
This post convinced me that China is not actually pathetic, but very strong.
man dont be smart i genuinely loathe the ccp and xi but they have apparently made leaps and bounds in this particular field, as far as i understand to attack carrier groups etc in a spat over the taiwan strait, as a fuckoff big naval engagement.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/13/china-hypersonic-missile-intelligence-leak/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-ZF
ESL Chink moron detected
suck my cock. i'm all for beating down on the ccp but if they have this shouldn't we do something about it?
my understanding is that they're planning to use them in the event of a potential tiawan strait conflict to engage us carrier groups and naval vessels and this could be a mighty big problem for us military planning in the region. idk but i have seen the papers pick up on it a lot lately
>but if they have this shouldn't we do something about it?
No. It's a meme weapon, anon. It's quite literally the Chinkoid version of the Armata in terms of how much it actually changes anything of note, but it'll be spammed and argued here to death until such a time as an event unfolds to show the obvious retarded nature of this bickering in the first place. But between now and that eventuality, we'll need to suffer HyperTards and the 8 thousand threads per day about
>Now that the dust has settled, hypersonics?
ftfy
underrated
Holy bad opsec.
A carrier moves and wouldn't park itself off their coast. Hypersonics that maneuver quickly lose all speed advantage as they manuever and non maneuverable hypersonics would be useless against a naval fleet not in port. I have a feeling we'll soon find out they are a wunderwaffen only good at hitting stationary targets.
>Hypersonics that maneuver quickly lose all speed advantage as they manuever and non maneuverable hypersonics would be useless against a naval fleet
Got any proof of that gay?
what the fuck would the US know about hypersonics?
the only thing the US knows about them, they learned watching tape replays of Russian and Chinese deployments
lol or Kinozhal strikes being intercepted by ukrainian infrastructure/peoples heads
All I'm going to say is that only hear about the hypersonic program failures of the US. There's so, SO much happening that the public doesn't know about.
t. DoE glonig
What's the juiciest piece of non-secret infio you know of that the public isn't aware about, Mr DoE man? I find it so fascinating that the DoE is a crypto glow agency that most people assume runs the power plants.
>but they have apparently made leaps
uh oh someone watch the sparrow population
Given that they are deforesting to convert the land they reclaimed last time back into farmland just wait a few years. Also sparrow population is apparently already zero because they leave nets up in the woods to catch all the birds. I guess they must control they locust population by eating them as well.
>i hate [acceptable scapegoats] as much as any other capitarist but china missile go really fast!
If you actually knew China you would recognize it as the corrupt dystopic shithole that it is. China doesn't invent anything, they only steal and maintain a facade outwards to the rest of the world that everything is great in China. They care more about appearances than anything actually working. This applies to every single thing in their society
Please keep believing that
read up on how 'made in germany' became a staple for quality; same thing happening with china
>same thing happening with china
But inverse, right? Like they're known for making cheap, crappy everything.
you know the whole reason why 'made in germany' was a thing because the world got sick of germany copying products and making crappy versions thus requiring them to signefy it was made in germany, after a while of copying other peoples shit they got good at making it; just like china.
Except China has been doing it for almost half a century, even with foreign manufacturing being moved there they still produce faulty, cheap everything. There must be some kind of difference between Germans and the Chinese.
No, your views are just 20yrs out of date
No, that's still the general consensus, that Chinese products are cheap garbage. Sorry, Chang, you're going to have to work harder to change this perception.
lmfao, ha yah, the superior German automobile that breaks down every 88th mile, requiring $10k in proprietary service, and a monthy $ contract to use the steering wheel or brakes
What the fuck are you even talking about? They call it chink shit for a reason, just have a look at 99% of the stock on aliexpress. This gaslighting bullshit you're trying to pull wouldn't even work on 4chan, wumao. Get your shit together.
moron if you looks for cheap shit on alibaba you will find cheap shit, a vast majority of industrial equipment is made in china is because its cheaper and better. I can only speak for europoors but EU is losing its car consumer base to china, they make them better and cheaper. I don't suppose this will be any different in detroit, with the exeption of tesla; who also produces in china. China is following the path of 1900 germany
>made in china is because its cheaper and better
>and better.
Take this (You)
Chinese and quality goods is the funniest thing so far in this thread
Implessive
How can a country struggling to make jet engines have hypersonics ?
probably because they don’t have the same design pressures
sorta like how russian jet engines were meh at best but they had the most advanced rocket engine designs for a good while and are still somewhat competitive in that field
The nice thing about hypersonic rockets is the engine only has to work once.
Thanks to Sänger, a nazi scientist who theorised a gliding trajectory back in WW2 to bomb New York from Berlin despite Germany not having any intercontinental bomber, by building a HGV that would "bounce & glide". This same scientist was brought to the US in operation paperclip where he got in touch with Qian Xueshen a Chinese American co founder of the jet propulsion institute (and also worked in the Manhattan project) who learned about Sängers ideas and made some in adjustments to that trajectory. But the US at the time was more interested in Von Braun's rockets instead.
Then Qian was forced back to China after the growing anti-Chinese sentiment in the US due to the Korean War, in exchange for some US POWs
Once in China he helped China develop their own space program, their nukes and set up the basis for the DF-17 HGV with his own custom gliding trajectory which is a simplified one from Sänger's
>This same scientist was brought to the US
He never came to the US, and the US never recruited him. There's a 3 volume, 1000 page "essay" on the history of hypersonic flight that goes into all this.
>co founder
No, he was a grad student to the founders, that is all.
>Then Qian was forced back to China
You mean because he was a literal commie sympathetic to the CCP, and ended up doing exactly as he was accused? Stealing US research and giving it to the commie CCP.
>No, he was a grad student to the founders, that is all.
I know mutts like to make shit up, but this is embarrassing
奴隶农奴
>accuses someone of making up information then sources Wikipedia.
Lmao
No he was heavily pressured out of his roles because of communist accusations, which then meant the only place he was accepted was back in China. The navy directly pushed him into the CCPs arms, he wasn’t sending them shit until after he left the US.
Just copy 50 year old Pershing missiles and you too can crow about your memesonics.
Because if their jets were going to be Single Use flying in one direction they wouldn't be having problems with jet engines.
Russian and Chinese hyoersonic missiles are literally just ballistic missiles that fly a flatter trajectory.
Different technology?
One is reliability/efficiency with conventional liquid jet fuel burning engine, other is solid fueled rockets
PrepHole keeps saying this but seems to think it's still 2010. See picrel and seethe westoid, this is only the beginning.
...?
Is this a joke?
So millions of Chinese will die?
Shit, wrong pic. Meant to use this one.
Because hypersonics have been a thing since the 1950s.
Because they're using a Pershing II clone and it exists mostly hypothetically.
Because they aren't hypersonic. They are "hypersonic" in that they do go faster than mach 5, but they do so because they are ballistic missiles, not a cruise missile. True hypersonic missiles are cruise missiles that fly low and fast to give little warning of it coming.
No one called the V2 rocket a hypersonic, yet it meets their usage of the word.
This post convinced me that India should be range banned.
india and china, despite brics, aren't as pally pally as you'd assume
Indians are pally with anyone if you throw them a couple of rupees. Given that Indians have lower wages and a better general understanding of the English language and Western sensibilities (bear in mind that I'm comparing them to chinks here, so the bar for those things is low), the chinese would be idiots if they didn't outsource some of their shilling to india.
I never assumed they were pals based on the Grog tier border clubbing and Pakistan's Sino cock sucking. With Russia going to shit you'd think they'd at least have the cunning to pivot more towards the West. Though I guess they're still salty about the British Raj.
I would accuse an indian of rolling in its own shit, of shilling for the failed Russian invasion and of scamming all grandmas with the dumbest crap, but never, ever of shilling for China. Chinks got their troll sweatshops for that.
HGVs avoid midcourse/exoatmospheric interceptors like SM-3, but you can intercept them in the terminal phase.
SM-6 can do so, pac-3 and THAAD possibly as well.
It take 3-4 interceptor to intercept one hypersonic.
1. You don't have enough interceptor to intercept thousands of hypersonic missiles
2. It cost you more in interceptor than it cost China in term of missiles.
It's just a matter of industrial capacity and attrition in the end, and China has the USA beat by a massive margin
China doesn't have thousands. China has hundreds. Each hypersonic missile costs hundreds of millions of dollars, so in cost THAAD and HGV are comparable in price.
And America doesn't have the quality assurance issues that are deeply endemic to Chinese defense procurement (and practically all their heavy industry).
>Mfw my product fails a safety audit and we find out that our chink reflector supplier has been quality testing only the best performing cavity of a four cavity tool because the other three won’t pass and falsifying test report headings
135000 recalled units later…
China has around 1000+ DF-21, a few hundred DF-26, at least 600+ YJ-21. That make well over a thousand.
>Each hypersonic missile costs hundreds of millions of dollars
I think you are mistaken prototype vs mass production.
Missiles like YJ-21 and DF-21 only cost between 10-20mil each, and DF-17 only cost around 2Mil each.
SM6 cost around 5Mil per missiles; interception is not cost effective.
Interception is cost effective, you drooling retard. If you spend a $5 million missile to protect a $100 million target that's worth it.
You need 3-4 SM6 to intercept a YJ-21 ASBM.
Interception is costing more to you than the missile you are intercepting.
You're speaking with an awful lot of certainty for a missile we know very little about its capabilities and performance.
3-4 SM6 is what you usually sent against a hypersonic missile.
No, it's not. They take out MRBMs, eMRBMS, and IRMBs with two at most.
>You need 3-4 SM6 to intercept a YJ-21 ASBM.
Proof? Also, proof that the YJ-21 even works?
>it’s going to cost more!!!
The true cost to China will be the smouldering crater that the launch vehicle and ammo depot left after retaliation. You really think you can win a war of attrition in the short term against the US? You’re not going to overwhelm them, and even if you could theoretically drain their interceptor stocks over a long period they’re going to come push your shit in long before that. The only “victory” China could have is taking down an isolated carrier strike group but as soon as the word is out they will have every asset in the pacific on the way to molest as many Chinese as possible. It’s like you people forget Pearl Harbor. Hee hee
>It costs too much, silly gaijin!! You can't just shoot down our missiles, it doesn't make economic sense long-term!
But we have more money than you
This sounds like poor people problems
your empire will fall, amerimutt
imagine using a slave country to produce your products and actually get beaten by them in the span of 50 years
>The shitposter has now lost the script and has gone insane.
>posting graph
>gone insane
enjoy your high fructose corn syrup while it lasts
>imaginary line goes up!
>nothing is falsified, trust me bro!
how are those 11.99$ for eggs? werent they like 2.99$ last year?
>$11.99 eggs
Fucking where? They haven't gone up in price here.
China's GDP is completely propped up by building giant empty cities in the desert and have them rot and collapse years later.
>"Muh GDP"
GDP means absolutely fucking nothing,
in service based economy,
a twitch whore can suck cock for $10mil then go to the plastic surgery clinic
and get new boobs an LA mansion for $15mil, such act increases gdp by $25mils
while producing nothing of value.
Service based economies are sham.
GDP is a completely useless metric in determining the ability of a country,
especially in today's world
where the economy is basically just gnomish numbers on a screen and meaningless service-economy bullshit.
If you do not produce anything, you're worthless.
The EU has basically de-industrialized itself besides a few sectors that are not self-sufficient anyway.
Subjects of the EU are now economically integrated in a codependent manner similar to the territories of Austria-Hungary,
which means that none of them are able to independently operate effectively without all of the others.
Pot metal is not a good metric of health for a nation
You do realize that if you use the same definition of "industrial" as is standard for other nations then the Chinks have about half as much industrial production as the US, roughly the same as Germany or Japan. China counts construction, the trucks which move products to the job site the fucking catering companies which service the construction workers, auto-mechanics, electricians, plumbers, ect as industrial production because they are making or assembling material products. Nobody else uses those criteria to define industrial production, they count as services. Construction alone accounts for 32% of the Chinese GDP. And of the remaining actual industrial production 30% is concrete which goes into construction. So even assuming none of the construction was shit or was a malinvestment, assuming all the concrete made was of sufficient quality for the purpose, assuming all the Chinese GDP numbers weren't bullshit even though they didn't change when the Chinese just said "oops we over-counted our population by 250 million people", even assuming everything China says is correct that still means those other powers have as much or more industrial output than China.
>China has around 1000+ DF-21, a few hundred DF-26, at least 600+ YJ-21
May I see them? Besides, the number of launch platforms are most important as that dictate how many you are able to launch at once. Also, China's ability to protect said launchers, and not get BTFO by B-2/21, F-35, etc. carrying AARGM-ER, MALD, JSOW, JASSM/JASSM-ER, JMS, etc. Can you show me how Chiner will protect its assets?
No we didn't see a PAC or Kinzhal. We saw a trip to a construction site.
>inb4 it was real in my mind
>hypersonics
nothing, neither do the chinese. If it is actually as they say I doubt any weapon can intercept with good reliability and somewhat understandable price for the next 10-20 years.
What I dont understand is why even bother. An all out nuclear conflict will have so many warheads flying that no anti air in the world will be able to put up with it. It just seems like a pretty good way to spend a lot of money.
maneuverable and non-maneuverable hypersonics are completely different things.
>stealing serb memes
We are better than this guys
That's the definition of a meme, it passes on and mutates through time.
I mean, why not just have a drone suicide into it?
Drones aren't magic anon. If anything that's adding the human element that can't react as fast as an ABM's guidance system.
Only problem us timely detection and launch. The faster it goes, the less manouverable and more predictable it is. Then you just need to place few roadblocks on it's path.
So in essence what we need to talk about is radar systems and detectors but most specs for them are classified.
have they figured out how to avoid a plasma sheath forming and giving us a few minutes to prepare counter measures?
they said they have
So that's a no then
>has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?
Patriot Air Defense System.
What the hell ever happened to the BrahMos?
>What the hell ever happened to the BrahMos?
Its still exists....It's just a Russian missile being produced by India as a joint venture.
Is this why India has such a hard on for russia? Majority of their military equipment is joint developed with russia?
I can’t even wrap my head around how a nation like India needs russian help in developing a fucking service rifle.
It's not a hard on for russia per se but simply the inability to accept that they'll be once again be under the yoke of western/anglo powers given entire national character at this point can be summarized as "muh golden age until colonialism" and "superpooper in 20XX!".
I’m surprised India hasn’t cultivated some sort of bacteria that could be used as a weapon given their “hygiene standards”
At least Russia waited until the 2010s to do these joint ventures. France handed over aviation technology to India to license produce in the 1990s!
>waited
Russia/SU was too preoccupied with not collapsing into a billion microstates around that time. Selling what amounts to aviation cum socks to India was the furthest from the Politburo's agenda.
>Russia/SU was too preoccupied with not collapsing into a billion microstates around that time. Selling what amounts to aviation cum socks to India was the furthest from the Politburo's agenda.
Actually because of its financial crisis the USSR offered to sell weapons to many of its enemies in the late 1980s, such as Iran and Israel, the former of which took the offer. Then in the 1990s the Russian Federation gave weapons to South Korea in lieu of cash as payments for trade debts from the 1980s.
Nevertheless, Russia was apparently not desperate enough to hand over weapons manufacturing technology to anyone at that time, whereas France giving away helicopter and jet fighter engines and subsystems manufacturing technology to India just shows how retarded France is, always has been and always will be.
Because no one wants to give Indians tech transfer without a fat fucking check
>can’t even wrap my head around how a nation like India needs
The Ganges is a giant sewage pipe for the 10 million ranjeeps to shit in daily.
The thirdie preoccupation with hypersonics baffles me. Low interceptable missiles only make sense once you've ironed out all the other links in the kill chain. Firing your $15 million missile into the void only for it to be useless because you never invested in intelligence gathering, guidance systems, and targeting networks.
It makes sense if you want to hit a static installation. For China, with only a small nuclear stockpile to start with, it makes sense to invest in something which could be a strategic deterrent (if not full MAD) in the face of unknown US BMD effectiveness.
You guys know what's an excellent strategic deterrence against the USA? Trade. Literally cover your country in McDonald's, and there's no way it's gonna get nuked. Ever. Xi went full retard.
But not really. 1000kg warhead isn't a strategic deterrent. The U.S. has dealt with the reality of all its bases being nuke fodder for the last 70 years.
>For China, with only a small nuclear stockpile to start with
Small in warhead number but not in yield. Most China's nuke are multi-megaton strategic nuke rather than tactical nuke.
China have about 35% of US's total yield in 2009, it's probably much more now.
China takes a no-first-use policy. So unless they go back on that, they have fewer weapons and that means a first strike could remove much of their yield. I think China has a long ways to go before it tries to reach a MAD outcome. But I also think nuclear buildup is not something anyone needs because it's not going to affect anything.
>thirdie preoccupation
I was about to say that americans have been obsessed with them since the 80s but then I realised what you were getting at kek
It is all about the looks
>we saw the kinzhal get shot up by a pac 3 a day or two ago
There's video?
Having a competent military doctrine and foreign policy that promotes building up friendships.
China can fire the first shots in a war, but hit or miss, the US and its partners get the last shots.
How is it any different than the projected swarms of Soviet missiles where some were bound to get through and make hits?
How does it change the overall situation that even sinking carriers wouldn't leave the USN without recourse for absolutely pushing China's shit in?
How does it close to gap that exists between the Chinese and American militaries as a whole?
How does it achieve China goals but avoid all the consequences that would isolate them?
>B-but missile go fast...
Good for you.
https://www.raytheonmissilesanddefense.com/news/2022/09/20/rmd-reaches-key-milestone-in-glide-phase-interceptor-development
Have these things actually hit moving targets yet or are we still on "dude trust me bro."
It's all dude trust me.
>but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics
Oh, the imaginary ones.
>has the west got anything to counter chinese hypersonics?
lmfao, no, and the US is 10+ years away from having one, thats HOW BAD they are
the US simply threatens nuclear retaliation for any use of a hypersonic on them.
China could force the US out of guam at any time it wants with the DF-17.
from a position of utter weakness and submission, the US must threaten nuclear consequences for Russia/China's use of what should be "legal" conventional ordnance weapos, or else it will be publically evicted and humiliated from the last of its slave-vassals it keeps as global-terrorism launch spots
>Taiwan
>South Korea
>Japan
China will be heroes to the Taiwanese, literal actual liberators, come to excise the malignant tumor that is US occupation
Implessive.
>lmfao, no, and the US is 10+ years away from having one, thats HOW BAD they are
people knowingly posting retarded statements to collect replies should be banned
>people knowingly posting retarded statements to collect replies should be banned
It's ok if they're anti-Chinese statements. Look at the denial of their ASBM capabilities/inventory or the denial of Chinese SAR satellites.
seek therapy, don't (you) me, gay
I am well aware of the capabilities of the Chinese SARS (1 and 2)
>China could force the US out of guam at any time it wants with the DF-17.
wat? have they suddenly improved df-17 range or something because last I checked guam is like twice the distance as the furthest a df-17 can go
Did you mean df-26 or something
anon prob mean DF-27 which goes 5000-7000km
>Glorious China will annihilate the US Military.
Ok I can accept that, so what is stopping you from doing it now exactly? If the US is so weak-willed, industrially weak and technologically backward it should be easy. So come on then do it, get it over with.
>stopping you from doing it now exactly
US need to shot first. China violated US-Jap defense pact over 300 time around Senkaku Islands in 2022, the US didn't do shit.
>US needs to attack first.
Why? Just invade Taiwan now, the US can't do shit. What are you waiting for?
>Just invade Taiwan now
For what? what does China gain?
Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
China will only attack Taiwan if the US get dragged into the war.
surreal mental gymnastics
>Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
China will only attack Taiwan if the US get dragged into the war.
So you are saying that the CCP's bellyaching over Taiwan is all BS and they don't care. Lol ok. So then go wipe out the Pacific Fleet then. The US getting rekt a singular blow should end US hegemony. Go on do it
You need an excuse to start a war retard.
China has been provoking the USA via the US-Japanese defense pact
bit the USA pussied out
>You need an excuse to start a war retard.
sounds like abject cowardice to me, ask Bush how much of a reason he needed
>China has been provoking the USA via the US-Japanese defense pact
the US already retaliated economically to Chinese belligerence, and China is too pants-shittingly terrified to escalate past "provocation"
enjoy being poor
you flew around a few rocks in the sea and crow success?
is that how you cope over rice?
just fire a missile into tokyo bay then that will cause a reaction
Then make up an excuse and do it. Like who do you need to convince? It not like the Chinese population won't be down to fuck up the US after decades of propaganda. Oh no what will the rest of the world think? Their opinion doesn't matter because you are number 1,remember. You are the most powerful military force on the Planet. Destroy the US Navy now no excuses.
>Taiwan is not worth a war, ending US hegemony is worth a war that why:
Couldn't you just... use Taiwan as an excuse and respond disproportionately if you wanted to end US hegemony? Japan invaded China over some blown up railway track they had up and running again before the end of the day. Some propaganda hack can put together a cover everyone will accept if you win (you are demilitarizing the seas for a more diverse and equitable maritime future), and then you can pin the USN to the American seaboard. That kills America's greatest geographic advantage (1 major coast on the Atlantic and Pacific), which kills American Hegemony. Since, y'know, that's really what China wants.
They’re scared
>Ok I can accept that, so what is stopping you from doing it now exactly? If the US is so weak-willed, industrially weak and technologically backward it should be easy. So come on then do it, get it over with.
lmfao, be careful what you wish for you gay shill, you just might get it
lol cant wait to see how the US media will spin the embarrassment
the media shitstorm ALONE will be worth it
Then do it. No balls.
US need to fire tge first shot
>The US isnt getting beat fast enough of 2 continents
lol dont worry, once we wrap up losing the Russian invasion, the US invasion of Taiwan will commence.
China will surround Taiwan, and Taiwan will literally work WITH CHINA to flush out the the US malignant tumor, who's sole presence on the island is blowing up TSMC the moment Chinese ships move to encircle
the US entire strategy is
>"We will blow up TSMC if you do anything, chink-bugz!"
thats it
thats the whole strategy in Asia
China don't care about TSMC lol
>China don't care about TSMC lol
TSMC is fucking the entire objective of BOTH nations
the US swears to GOD it will detonate the facility if China tries to liberate Taiwan from American occupation
China's entire strategy is to encircle Taiwan, and hopefully the Taiwan+China alliance can swiftly, if not immediately neutralize the US threat to TSMC
China will be viewed as 'liberators' in Taiwan,
the US will be exposed as the dirty gnomish occupiers they are, yet again
>TSMC is fucking the entire objective of BOTH nations
Your brain on propaganda
lmfao, so I hate you gays so much, I just want to see your heads smashed on concrete
explain to me the geopolitical signifigance of Taiwan, if not for its literally one of a kind Chip-fabbing industry?
explain it like im 5
go ahead
explain to me the military signifigance of Taiwan, that makes it an asset the US military prioritized MOST in its 2023 budget
>(fortifying Guam)
you gay westoid shills literally have no brains,
NONE
Taiwan is going to eject the US in a pro-wrestling esq face turn.
the US main and ONLY threat is that it will detonate those facilities, to the utter and complete loss of Taiwan and China
why would the US threaten that?
why?
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-would-destroy-taiwan-semiconductor-factories-avoid-china-trump-adviser-2023-3
Theres a hundred more articles from a hundred separate sources, all with the the same identical warning
>the US will detonate TSMC, in the event it loses its vassal "Taiwan"
how is this different from taiwan doing it themselves, your brain is fried on businiss insider and listening to peter zayan for to long
>how is this different from taiwan doing it themselves
Taiwan WOULDNT do this to themself, EVER
its the same logic that Russia destroyed its own nord-stream, which im sure your gay ass 100% hands down believes
Taiwan wants the US yoke off their fucking neck and China will absolutely remove it for them
With TSMC in Chinese/liberated-Taiwans hands, the US could be 'sanctioned' and utterly massively fucked with on a level that has never been experienced in the western world, LET ALONE the US
>all that fanfic
Lmao blow it out your ass turdie, country flags when?
Oh dear, it's trying to pretend the Russians didn't blow up Nord Stream, too
Yikes!
You know it's still very obvious it was self-sabotage, right? The louder you protest (with no evidence), the more I believe it to be true.
> Taiwan wants the US yoke off their fucking neck
Lol.
Lmao.
what a fucking strategy you got
>i know, we'll just call him 'brown' or an 'indian'!
every time I see a 'post hands' 'thirdie' or 'muh ur brown' post
i know whatever I said "won" and ran up against the literal government assigned 'actionable speech' you are here to combat/shill against
every skin-color post on PrepHole is an admission of defeat, in and of itself
>Im winning because I said so
Immature and butthurt over memes lmao
>someone said they were winning!
>better make a post to remind them they arent!
the absolute state of the infantile reaction-matrix of nafo gays
Winners usually dont have to remind people desperately in butthurt angry rants that they're winners.
>Turd worlder mandrama enthusiast is incredibly delusional.
Day ends in Y
retard take, taiwan hate china and will burn TMSC to the ground if they have to and china knows this
No it isn't. China wanted Taiwan long before TSMC was even globally prominent. Getting TSMC is a really nice side bonus of sending the west into haywire, but it's not necessarily needed for PRC leadership.
Especially when they have proven remarkably capable at manufacturing at-scale and are trying to jump start their own chip industries. SMIC is already at 7nm processes and there's some interesting chinese patents floating about for making their own EUV processes. When they eventually achieve those, they don't need TSMC, period.
you absolute braindead polish idiot.
this has nothing to do with China "needing" TSMC
its has to do with China's ability to deprive the US of its sole and ONLY source of high tech semiconductor production.
The US is frantically scrambling to stand up domestic chip production sites, but ALREADY is accepting the reality that these will be woefully inadequate, both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.
TSMC in Taiwan is the single most important strategic asset to the US, and is the sole reason Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have US occupation forces dominating their countries
any attempt at any other argument outside the full and undivided acceptance that everything I said is "true" is nafo retardation of the highest order
>China doesn't need it
Then why do they want it
>The sole reason Japan has American military presence is Taiwan
???
Did you forget a certain event that happened between 1939 and 1945?
>Then why do they want it
with TSMC in Chinese and liberated Taiwans hands, the US has no alternative. ZERO
The US is frantically scrambling to stand up domestic chip production sites, but ALREADY is accepting the reality that these will be woefully inadequate, both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.
TSMC in Taiwan is the single most important strategic asset to the US
>Winners usually dont have to remind people desperately in butthurt angry rants that they're winners.
lol totally agree
slava ooohkrahnya
hero salami!
>Seething this hard about virtue signalling from retards
What a "winner" lol
>this has nothing to do with China "needing" TSMC
That contradicts what was written here
>TSMC is fucking the entire objective of BOTH nations
Yes, depriving the US of TSMC would be a huge win for them.
But it's simply the means to the end, which is ending the civil war and getting Taiwan back into the fold.
You are confusing the means with the ends here.
> both in staff and capability, which the US has ZERO of.
you're literally fucking retarded. intel - up until 5 or so years ago - was the best in the game. now they're still a close second, with nobody else nearby (except maybe micron/samsun/sk/etc, but DRAM manufacturing is a fundamentally different process)
where the fuck do you think their fabs are? where does their r&d happen? if TSMC goes, china relies *entirely* on domestic production. if TSMC goes, the US relies on, gee: the US, israel, south korea, japan, germany.. US allies make up 9 of the top 10 semiconductor manufacturing countries. china is in 5th. have a nice day you absolute clown person.
cuked yourself and stumbeld over your own contradictions, good job! Don't forget to subscribe to Vox, Vice and Business Insider for more chip fandom and retarded geopolitical takes
illiterate ESL gay
"need" doesnt imply "China needs the chips from TSMC"
no the "need" here is:
>"China NEEDS to capture an intact TSMC, which will be a massive boon in sanctioning and actually hard-damaging the US
in this case possessing TSMC is a weapon against the US itself, its not the chips china is after, its about possessing the SOURCE of ALL US semiconductor production, in a single blow
how are you struggling so hard with vocabulary?
>where the fuck do you think their fabs are?
literally show me where these "fabs" are
i want you to post literal actual links, photos all of it, of the most advanced gen. chip production, at industrial scale, OUTSIDE of Taiwan
ill wait you colossal bitch, ill wait right here for you
There is nothing extremely novel about TSMC, they just are the best at what they do. Unlike ASML and ZEISS which are irreplicable. TSMC is of little strategic importance.
TSMC will be Nordstreamd before China gets it.
>TSMC will be Nordstreamd before China gets it.
no shit, the US literally promises this.
however,
Taiwan surely knows, that without TSMC their country has no meaning at all strategically, and only China and liberation by China, promise to keep this vital industry intact
in all scenarios, the US destroys TSMC the moment it realizes vassalized Taiwan is lost
the absolute state of you shills
the entire "Taiwan conflict" is over TSMC and the leverage controlling TSMC illicits over US hegemony.
the US would plummet to 2nd world status the moment TSMC is out of US occupiers hands
>US will destroy TSMC rather than let China have it
>If China gets TSMC US will become second world tier
I think you mean nothing changes in power rankings since China wont be able to use a smoldering wreck but civilian computers get more expensive for a while.
see
how is your brain so rotten
>the entire "Taiwan conflict" is over TSMC and the leverage controlling TSMC illicits over US hegemony
What leverage did TSMC have over US hegemony from 1949-1987? RoC didn't start fleeing to Taiwan until 1949.
Yes I'm sure the first worlders of Taiwan are just clamouring for Chinese QoL.
Americans sure love making fake vids
You literally just changed the text, subhuman. What in the world is wrong with you?
not one single person saw this video and thought "China"
not one
Goyslop is as unique to America as applepie or baseball
hillsboro oregon you 50 gallon barrel of moron.
you said a word
I told you to fucking physically show me proof there is an industrial scale fab, on US or US vassal soil, that is producing state-of-the-art chipsets and semiconductors
you cant show me that
you wont show me that
because it doesnt fucking exist
full stop
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)
Intel Corporation (United States)
SK Hynix (South Korea)
Micron Technology (United States)
GlobalFoundries (United States)
Toshiba Memory Corporation (Japan)
Sony Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation (Japan)
Yea no the US is totally screwed without TSMC, retard.
more meaningless names, next to nation names
another meaningless name, next to a name
I literally told you to prove to me those 'names' you keep typing, are producing chips and semiconductors that match OR exceed the quality and quantity put out by TSMC / Taiwan chip production
> told you to fucking physically show me proof there is an industrial scale fab, on US or US vassal soil, that is producing state-of-the-art chipsets and semiconductors
>all state of the art
Shure its no 2nm but who cares when its 5mn, theres inceremental betterments are meaningless for both sides as...you guest it, they are of little strategic importance.
chirst my ESL is showing
Hillsboro is where Intel is dummy
have you heard of a company named intel before? genuine question, i mean it. do you know what a semiconductor is? process node? are these just words you read in a schizo post or do you actually know what a fab is? do you know what a chipset is?
literally every advanced semiconductor manufacturer outside of taiwan is on US soil or US vassal soil. if TSMC gets blown up, intel is the sole cutting edge semiconductor manufacturer on the planet. their chips are made in the US, israel, ireland, and germany. and that's just for bleeding edge, for military manufacturing (which is in fact *never* cutting edge for obvious reasons) your manufacturing is done in.. DING DING DING! the US, israel, germany, south korea, japan..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
https://www.yahoo.com/video/top-10-semiconductor-manufacturing-countries-170616248.html
holy absolute fuck, you keep telling me company names, but have been utterly and completely incapable of proving their production matches or EXCEEDS TSMC in either QUANTITY or QUALITY of chip/semiconductor produced
how are you struggling this hard?
how?
you must be at least 18 to post here
THAT'S. NOT. EVEN. THE. FUCKING. POINT.
TSMC is largest and the best, in every category, no shit. we're talking about who stands to gain if they get BTFO.
>QUANTITY
china makes up 12% of global semiconductor manufacturing. US (alone, NOT including allies) makes up 17%. if TSMC blows up, who wins that trade? hint: not fucking china.
>QUALITY
>US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE
citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed citation needed
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states
youre so fucking God awful stupid, its unreal
>installed worldwide capacity
>installed
Intel 4 is coming out this year and has already entered limited rate production, but where did 7nm EUV production go for SMIC? fuck around and find out
>"more vapor ware is coming, i swear!"
fucking clown, do your dance
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semiconductor_fabrication_plants
AHAHAHHAHAHAH
AHAHAHHAHAHA
>PRODUCTION column
Insert US site name: empty box
HAAHHAHAHA
AHAHAHAHAH
AHAHAHAHAH
I don't think you know how to use wikipedia, tardlord.
>I don't think you know how to use wikipedia, tardlord.
ha yah, "empty box" must mean "alot" to the nafo brain
probably was a number too big to fit in there, right?
Try checking that table again, there are a fuckload of FAB's in the US. Can't wait until you turn 18 and can post here again.
>Try checking that table again, there are a fuckload of FAB's in the US. Can't wait until you turn 18 and can post here again.
Fuck load of fabs
>Production: ZERO
GOOSE EGG
NOTHING
US makes almost 1/5 of all chips you communist bandit
>citation needed citation
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states
LMFAO, you absolute fucking gay fuck
we went from tsmc being a strategic target to 'muh usa can't produce chips' why are you so afraid to admit no one gives a shit about tsmc strategically during an invasion of taiwan.
lmfao, so in your poisoned chud-mind, what is the strategic reason for ANY US presence in Taiwan in the first place, if not securing the VITAL TSMC production plants?
>ANY US presence in Taiwan
The US has thirty nine (39) military personnel in Taiwan
Yea Taiwan is super VITAL guys, 39 guys will do
>The US has thirty nine (39) military personnel in Taiwan
That you know of.
Oh right I forgot the CIA clow car divisions my bad, retard.
clown* car, good we have to speculate on wether its 39 or 100, all seems very VITAL to me
>nothing 'article'
show me a single paper that shows SMIC chips outperform intel in any way, ever
show me a single paper that shows TSMC chips are 200% better in any category than intel
show me that you've read a single scientific paper in your entire life or are capable of comprehending one
don't you understand; hes not capable of thinking for himself he needs more mckinsey slides that reafirm his viewpoint instead of critically thinking.
>Huh its almost as if there is a logical reason why shit is blank on Wikipedia. Like bro use your brain for two seconds. It would be physically impossible for intel to make money if it didn't build shit. https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intels-long-awaited-fab-42-is-fully-operational
>the whole world publishes figures
>the US, doesnt
lol convienient
same strategy with the astronomical hohol death numbers (~390k casualties lol)
Oh look the all knowing all seeing Wikipedia says that there are plants in China not building anything. China is lying about being able to build anything. It is simply impossible because wikipedia said so right anon
go ahead you stupid bitch gay, show screenshots from the rest of the table from China, go ahead gay, go ahead
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states
the same gay think-tank that funds your bitch wass probably wrote this
The US is actively making moves to expand so again what is your point. Also again it is not just the US, Taiwan and China building chips so even if China invades Taiwan the US can still get shit form South Korea and Europe. Lastly if takes invading Taiwan to destroy US Hegemony Dominance what the fuck is taking China so long to do it. The are better the US in every metric remember?
LMFAO,
>announced
>considering
lol FUCKING VAPOR WARE
they have 5 years before taiwan gets invaded, plenty of time retard
>they have 5 years before taiwan gets invaded
got any proof for that gay?
or is it more wishful thinking from Washington?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/21/taiwan-foreign-minister-warns-of-conflict-with-china-in-2027
>implying the chinks are ever going to invade Taiwan
They know full well the PLA isn't up to the task of an amphibious invasion.
>They know full well the PLA isn't up to the task of an amphibious invasion.
imagine thinking China will need "boots on the ground" to physically kill and maim Taiwan
theyre not going to even touch land, they will simply blockade it, and Taiwan, finally safe from US aggression will willingly turn-face and re-unite with China
the US will attempt to detonate TSMC in retaliation, and will likely fail
thats the entire "Chinese invasion of Taiwan"
in a single post
pla shill but ur halfway there
Anon again you keep ignoring that there are 44 brand new fabs under conduction. Also these companies are not like some dude on Indiegogo trying to raise scam money. They are major multibillion dollar companies, meaning they are way more likely to go through with it. https://sgp.fas.org/crs/misc/R46581.pdf
THEY DONT FUCKING EXIST YOU ABSOLUTE gay
>"le under contstruction"
so what they will be at operational "Gold" status in 5 years? 2030?
do you have any brain at all?
what fucking happened in poland that made all of you such collossal gays?
jezus chirst are you autistic? 10 people in this thread say your wrong yet you still try try to move the goalspost every time someone shoves a evidence in your mouth.
>"10 gays keep posting about theoretical vapor-ware chip factories that DO NOT EXIST, are'nt even under construction, havent put out a single chip to market, and wont put a single chip out on to market before 2030 at the absolute earliest"
having things shoved in your mouth is probably the only thing you have experience in you utter gay
does not make tsmc any more strategically relevant in case of a chinese invasion of taiwan but i dont think your brain will ever process that
You are beyond retard, you are a gigatard. The US not only builds its own Chips, but designs them as well. Something you also fail to take into account is that TSMC doesn't even design there own Chips. So even if China captures the TSMC Factories they don't even capture the people own design the chips themselves.
>the country that mastered reverse-engineering stolen designs wouldnt know what to do with a chip fab
hah, ok, good luck with that one gay
Again the US is still ahead because the US comes up with the designs first. Also the US can still build the chips without Taiwan.
>Also the US can still build the chips without Taiwan.
proof?
bro you dispose of any proof you get, there is no reasoning with you
intel has a ~70% market share for CPUs, and AMD has a ~30%. that means even if the remaining fractional percentage points WERE taken up by chink designed chips (they aren't. period. those remaining points are all arm/power/mips/sparc/etc) it would mean chinese chip designs are still totally and unmentionably irrelevant.
so if literally 70% of the planets IT infrastructure is manufactured by intel, tell me where intel makes their chips. do it, tell me. or are you now going to argue that data centers don't exist, and neither does the internet? just like factories don't exist?
lets look at everything else while we're at it. huawei and unisoc design their own chips, right? china is a powerhouse for smartphones right?
oh.. oh no it turns out huawei + unisoc have a <10% market share for mobile AP. the entire mobile world runs on chips designed by
apple (US)
qualcomm (US)
mediatek (taiwan)
samsung (SK)
show me a single area where china designs cutting edge electronics. a single example where a design, process, IP, or standard is being led by the chinese. show me a single relevant computer outside of china that uses a chinese design.
k, guess we'll see right gay shill?
>design, process, IP, or standard
as if you morons understand any of these
>It is fake because I say it is fake.
LOL see pic related
AHAHAHAHHAHA you absolute gay
https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/industrials-and-electronics/our-insights/semiconductor-fabs-construction-challenges-in-the-united-states
illiterate absolute gay at that
lmfao, this is your brain on nafo gayry
>Sales
holy absolute shit,
you do realize how garden gnomes work right?
>set up manufacturing in slave-state
>produce $low, Profit $high
>this is now somehow "sales" for the US, even though its in name only
who gives a mother FUCK about "sales"
TSMC is about 'production' and the US doesnt "produce" anything or anywhere near the quantity or quality of Taiwan
LOL
>"44 brand new fabs under construction"
get back to me in 10 years when they spit out their first 5nm chip, 15 years behind whatever <.5nm China-mainland will be making by the time the US catches up
> you 50 gallon barrel of moron.
Lel. I’m going to have to remember that one
>China will surround Taiwan
>no effective nuclear attack submarines with only 6 rust buckets with an observed acoustic signature equal to Soviet tubs from the 80s
>against 50 superior attack subs.
What are they gonna do? Diesels can't dictate the engagement because they travel at 20 knots underwater for 20 minutes even with the best API and are up against quieter boats that can travel more than twice as fast indefinitely.
Is that you striker?
lmfao
https://navalpost.com/hswms-gotland-vs-uss-ronald-reagan/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland-class_submarine
as usual, reality is the exact opposite of your nafo garbage
the entire US navy would be sunk, without a shot fired by the sound of it
so which is it you gay shills?
>le TSMC is meaningless, no one wants or needs it
or
>TSMC is so strategically valuable, it will be the primary target of both the US and China, almost immediately
you cant even keep message-discipline going post-to-post
Anon, how is China going to become implessive off of TSMC if the US destroys it? You cant have both.
lol I would imagine a scenario where the US-occupation force of Taiwan, detonates TSMC to "deprive the Chinese of it"
probably ends in Taiwan immediately turning towards China in an unbreakable alliance for vengence against the US occupiers.
explain why Taiwan would want sociopathic maniacs, who PUBLICALLY SWEAR to destroy the entire soul of Taiwans economy, if they dont stay US vassals
why would Taiwan want this arrangement?
why would ANYONE want this
Are you schizophrenic? Why are you now denying that the US would deny China TSMC if China invaded when before it was an accepted outcome?
do you know how to read?
what do they teach you gays in poland?
Any scenario where the US-occupation detonates Taiwans economy, simply to 'spite China'
would almost certainly end with Taiwan aligning itself permenantly with China
or do you think Taiwan would like to "stick it to China" and blow up the only industry that prevents them from becoming a meaningless rock in the middle of the Pacific ocean?
why would Taiwan accept the US doing this, when all the US had to do is simply stay the fuck out of their country to begin with?
China will not get TSMC sorry. Your anger at reality doesn't change this.
>WE ARE LIBERATORS
>Now prease get into sweatshops and stay behind our bamboo curtain thank you!
What does through the mind of a chink other than what endangered species they should wipe out in order to make shitty soup and aphrodisiacs that don’t work?
Take this (You) and buy your kids a good meal tonight. On me.
Patriots. As shown in Ukraine.
and the fact Patriots can be deployed practically anywhere, that means China is fucked if the US decides to ship a few container vessels of Patriot systems and ammunition Taiwan.
Realistically, its better to fire 100 supersonic cruise missiles than 1-2 hypersonics. That's been the case since forever.
The SM series is generally more capable than the Patriot PAC 3
this is a fucking chicom fishing for info
us hypersonics programs are already published knowledge
Realistically we could simple rely on them not working at all. However, we will likely invest billions of dollars countering said thing and whatever we develop will be 20-30 years ahead of the rest of the world. It will never serve any purpose or be used because the entire reason we developed it will have never existed, doesn't exist in the amount claimed or would never have functioned in the first place.
>but i mean the proper chinese hypersonics
How are they more "proper" than the kinzhal?
Why do all the chinks skirt around the fact that any attack against a carrier group would be met with immediate nuclear response? try running the interception cost/benefit analysis on that one...
The chinks do the same shit that russians do. All posturing with no thought given to the actual cost-benefit of that posturing. They are the road raging, skinnyfat, balding, inner-city 54 year old in the red truck on the intercontinental world stage freeway.
Why are their missiles pointier than ours?
Our missiles need to be more pointy. We cannot allow a cone gap.
you design around what you know, and everyone knows Chinese missile guys have never in their life seen a girthy penetrator
>The missile, it is too round at the top, it needs to be pointy
Yeah, It's meant to glide, thus the flatter and pointier body
a missile going really fast can be intercepted by a missile going very slow, the fact that it is hypersonic just give less time to detect and intercept. Considering missiles are directly on the ship they are supposed to defend in the pacific, patriot intercepting kinzhal just show that hypersonic missiles are a nothing burger third world propaganda.
Simple, the US Patriot missile system. Memes aside it has better software than any Russian or Chinese missile and can intercept faster missiles.
EVERYONE WANTS TO HAVE THESE THREADS BUT NO ONE WANTS TO TALKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT THE TOPIC.
CHINA HAS A CAPABLE TEST PLATFORM (DF-27) THAT HAS A 'HIGH PROBABILITY OF PENETRATING BDM' SEE IMAGE
SEEING AS THEY HAVE 2000 DF-21'S ITS REASONABLE TO ASSUME THEY WILL STOCKPILE THE DF-27 VARIANTS IN EQUAL NUMBERS SOONER OR LATER
THIS MEANS EITHER THE US HAS TO UPDATE/UPGRADE ITS AD OR HAS TO CONCEDE SAILING ANYWHERE NEAR CHINA/TAIWAN IF IT WANTS TO GUARANTEE SAFETY OF ITS PASIFIC FLEET IN A FULL BLOWN CONFLICT
EITHER WAY THE DF-27 POSES A SERIOUS THREAD/DETERANCE TO US NAVAL STRENGTH IN THE PASIFIC FOR WHICH THE US CURRENTLY LACKS AN AWNSER.
I PERSONALLY BELIVE THIS CAPABILITY GAP WILL ONLY BE EXPLOITED POLITICALLY TO DETER AMERICAN INFLUENCE IN THE PASIFIC AS CHINA SEEKS TO WIN THE LONG GAME AND HAS NO INTEREST FIGHTING THE US FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT DOES IMPLY THE CHANCE US INTERVENTION DURING A INVASION OF TAIWAN MIGHT BE REDUCED, WHICH IS GOOD NEWS FOR BOTH SIDES IMO; M.A.D. E.T.C.
I LOOK LIKE A SCHITZO
>Muh fleet strikes
How hardened is China against US hypersonic strikes?
does it matter? when will the US have a reason to launch a first strike against china? And the awnser is essential 0%. China has had 0% deterance from jassm's from the b-2 eversince the 90's. This is not their goal.
>China has had 0% deterance from jassm's from the b-2 eversince the 90's
Not so stealthy subsonic missile
It doesn't matter, the US has retaliatory strike capabilities. This is like worrying over the USN during the cold war.
It does, in a senario where china attacks taiwan and tells everyone to fuck off; if the US doenst it will be met with a missle strike on its naval fleet there.
In this case there is a good chance the US lacks political will to go to war if their leaders tried to get them involved in a war halfway across the world because they ignored china its demands to fuck off from taiwan. Although this is all speculation it is possible inept military provocation will lead to inefficient support by the public and cause a withdraw from the south china sea
Ill tell you exactly what would happen. China invades Taiwan, the whole western world immediately calls for an intervention and for China to retreat. US puts their naval fleets in Chinas cope line waters. China will be under sanctions and Chinese industry will overnight have only African and Indian customers. China can choose to fight the US while their economy is in a death spiral and risk having strikes on shit they cant replace or they can cuck out and try to have a viable economy again in a few years. China is in no position to invade Taiwan.
I mean if you say so, in that case why even bother having a military in the first place? seems like a waste of space.
For stomping random middling despots.
US economy is like 85%+ Autarchic in nature.
Because the dollar is backed by the military instead of gold and so far its been working out well.
its about china retard
And the US lose their navy and your inflation go to 200-300%.
don't forget the civil unrest, insurections and withdraw of capital
It's happening now. JPMORGAN went to meet the CCP, and European investments to in china (capital flight) increase by 600%
Personally I don't see a transition to Yan but more diversification to euro, pound and eventually the world bank money
huge money is running from china every day
3500 wealthy alone every month in one country in SEA
No ones investing in China. No one wants their companies to be owned by the Chinese. Western companies are flocking to Vietnam and other friendlier for business countries.
>to in china
I know it may be hard for your small bug mind to comprehend, but 600% of nothing is still a small number.
I mean you could just shoot down all their satellites thus making it impossible for them to provide guidance even assuming they sufficiently mitigated the plasma sheathe issue. If they reciprocate the US actually has sufficient air assets for scouting while the Chinks are lacking. Once again assuming they can provide adequate guidance in the first place.
What are they going to do about the 50 SSNs? They have to go out into deeper waters to secure Taiwan's eastern coast and they have essentially zero anti-submarine patrol capability.
China its doctrene is first strike, ofcouse the US will beat them in any other senario. It just shows the prevelancy of missle tech china has if US tries to instal a blockade, the blockade will be crushed and as said earlier, there is litte political leeway for placing a carrier group in a corridor of death halfway around the globe.
And once again the SSN senario is only usefull if america strikes first, which it wont.
>China its doctrene is first strike
no its not you collossal gay, China is going to BLOCKADE, surround Taiwan, and then a combined Taiwan+China will excise the malignant cancerous tumor called:
>"US occupation"
from the island itself
China will be hailed as liberators
China+Taiwan will rip the US out like parasites, and cast them from the blockaded island
the "blockade" will be to keep the US navy OUT, to destroy the US forces on the Island, and to protect Taiwan from the retalitory or 'first strikes' the US will inevitably attempt on TSMC
Taiwan is an utterly meaningless rock outside of TSMC
The moment China starts a blockade is the moment China will have to figure out how to run its export dependent economy on African, Russian and Indian customers only. Chinas economy will not exist the moment they decide on military action.
>The moment China starts a blockade is the moment China will have to figure out how to run its export dependent economy on African, Russian and Indian customers only. Chinas economy will not exist the moment they decide on military action.
AHHAHAHAHAH yah, I bet America could cold turkey off Chinese labor and goods over night!
totally within the first 24 hours !
the US doesnt need Chinese manufacturing, and Chinese slave-labor built goods!
the US economy totally doesnt depend on cheap, overseas made goods!
America is already pivoting hard out of China though. Vietnam is the new clothing maker and Mexico already does large item manufacturing for cheap. If anything US injected plastic manufacturers like Tupperware will be saved from bankruptcy.
hey, great, only 30more years of "pivoting" and the 'long-march" to Chinese de-coupling will be complete!
lol more like 50+years but optimism
The US has the least involved economy in the world you retard, shitholes in Africa import and export more than we do as a percentage of GDP. And half of our trade is with fucking Mexico.
what does any of your gay statment have to do with the reality that 90% of consumer goods in the US come from China?
you think America will just "stop consuming" so some globalist garden gnomes can punish China?
>Shure its no 2nm but who cares when its 5mn
so the US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE than the ones made in Taiwan, and thats only AFTER the vapor-ware factories are finished, staffed and in production
all of which
is YEARS AND YEARS away
meanwhile, Taiwan could kick off any day
lmfao, if China goads the US into detonating TSMC it wins
If China peacefully blockades Taiwan, forces the US out and captures intact TSMC it wins
its win-win for China
LOSE-LOSE for America
HAHAHAH
You really are just moving goalposts around. Waste of time to talk with the child who thinks its make believe in the playground time.
If TSMC blows up China would have zero ability to produce high end chips. Thats not a problem for the US.
well they wont have for a while but they are seriously catching up, chinese progress is unironically 'implessive', besides they dont care about tsmc kys
>We never needed TSMC!
Lmao
TSMC CEO sid that mainland will surpass TSMC in just 5-8 years. The whole Chip Act just made China less dependent on the West
yea, honestly right in time for their projected invasion of taiwan ~2027 and right in time for the US to complete their FAB projects, its almost like a bunch of smart people got together and figured all this stuff out way before us. Unfortunatly there is one retard in this thread who still thinks TSMC is some sort of golden bullet around which the world revolves. Speaking off the tsmc stock might be worth unironically shorting at some point but im too retarded for that.
This is factually false. Why do you vatmorons and chinksects always make shit up?
>If TSMC blows up the US would have zero ability to produce high end chips. Thats not a problem for the China.
ftfy gay
>so the US maybe, MAYBE could produce chips 200%+ WORSE than the ones made in Taiwan
>shOw ME ThE PHySIcal ProoF
do you know how many people have fought (and are fighting) over meaningless land?
Once again, a standing blockade, against a fleet of SSN's whose only equivalents are 8 British vessels which might also be participating? Even if the Chinese managed a successful invasion and set up air assets on the island I can't see this turning out well.
>make blockade around little island off your coast because you want it
>NATO decides to sink your fleet
In what senario does nato decide to sink a chinese blokade or involve it self in taiwan any other way. It would result in nuclear war. They are not going to do it.
>NATO
Bitch the Murica, Bongistan, Emuland, assorted SEAnog countries, and Grorious Nippon don't constitute NATO. NATO is a European defense organization. North Atlantic Treaty Organization, it can't even be activated for on offensive war. Why do you think Ukraine gets a drip-feed of 30-50 year old surplus? NATO isn't even activated as a concerted unit, its NATO members who are allies independent of the NATO system fucking over Russia. The Chinks would have to attack the US without Provocation such as blockade breaking.
Now if the Chinks attacked US ships in port as a first strike, then NATO would be involved but not until then.
god you chicom fucks are insufferable, go munch a bat already goblin.
Carriers are great for beating up on 2nd or 3rd world countries and projecting soft power across the globe, but they're effectively useless when facing a country with a legitimate ASBM threat.
Unless they can somehow locate enough and strike the DF-27 launch sites (which is escalatory if they're on the mainland) or interrupt the guidance I don't see how carriers can survive.
Submarines and autonomous underwater vehicles will likely be more pivotal in the future.
I honestly think we're approaching a point in time where escalation is inevitable in a war between the US and China if both sides are actually playing to win.
The USN has to interrupt the kill chain somehow if they want to use their carriers in a war which is obviously how the USN would win.
Anyone who thinks TSMC will provide any strategic significance during a chinese invasion of taiwan is a absolute retard. There are zero (0) senario's in which TSMC does not become a pile of ash by either chinese, american or domestic attacks; let alone that it will continue exporting chips.
China wants taiwan for taiwan and does not give a single shit if TSMC turns to dust, Taiwan wouldnt want the Chinese to get their hands on TSMC, buring it to the ground. If by some miracle both parties havent blown up the place US spies or JASSM's wil. TSMC is of 0 (zero) importance during the invsions because the end result is it will always be a pile of rubble. Do you really think the US will try and retain a trade corridor from taiwan to the US to get the 2nm chip in to the iphone during an active invasion by china? They can survive without those chips as they have the entire western world to place a new FAB.
I never actually realized that Taiwan has Islands that are literally right off the coastline of China.
No wonder the Chinese have such a stick up their ass about Taiwan. They couldn't even claim a couple little islands.
China aims for Taiwan because it'll end a almost century-long year civil war and give the party unbreakable legitimacy. The party has been consistent with this since it had full control of the mainland.
TSMC is a completely secondary concern that came much later. End of story.
the wumao cope in this thread has had me in stiches for the past half hour
They almost pay these creatures to come seethe in here. It's bewildering.
TSMC being nothing but everything has been pretty kino to watch
>the wumao cope
the single most inorganic 'shill' word ever uttered
not one single white person, not one single "American" has a single sole fucking clue what a "wumao" is let alone would ever say it, speak it or type it
>the wumao cries out in pain as he strikes you
Your services have been noted.
>the single most inorganic 'shill' word ever uttered
It's ironic because this bugman is paid to be here.
ay yo this the thread where I raise my social score
ne1 got them pointz?
Abracadabra, wand of pink! I cast my spell, "remove chink"!
Say "multipolar" again!
I just don't believe anything. There's so much posturing and propaganda involved in not showing destroyed M1A1's or how ineffective certain countries missile intercept system are against anything faster than a bottle rocket, etc. etc.
I don't believe you until it's put into practice in an actual war.
in the defence intel leak it was revealed the df-27 had a high probability to penetrate BDM, make of that what you will
they don't have hypermemes
>they don't have hypermemes
Only Indians and Greeks have that.