Has the US Army developed standard operating procedures for dealing with drone contact?
Has the US Army developed standard operating procedures for dealing with drone contact?
Has the US Army developed standard operating procedures for dealing with drone contact?
Bumping the thread because I'm genuinely curious about this and it's a relevant topic.
>Inb4 "yeah"
Shoot them? The reason why drones are so common in ukraine is because neither side has proper air superiority and as such the war turned into ww1 trench warfare with the occasional armored assault. Of they had radars and proper AAs drones couldn't even get near soldiers
>air superiority
>drones
lol
great reading comprehension, imbecile
1. air superiority changes nothing about drones, they're still useful
2. the second part is quite some powerful mental fantasy because currently nothing of that exists to stop FPVs (see ukraine)
>muh ew screeching wavecope
see ukraine again
see ukraine and israel*
This has shocked me in the Ukraine conflict seeing all the videos. I get getting caught off-guard and having a grenade dropped on you, that's not what I mean. However, I am surprised about how many videos I've seen of people seeing a drone just hovering above them with a grenade maybe 50 feet up and they just accept their fate and die instead of shooting it.
I mean what's the solution here? Most radar systems are designed to catch something a lot bigger than a drone. And wouldn't any form of reaction to that be overkill? It seems like there is a lack of drone specific AA weapons.
> Most
Gee whiz anon, it's almost as if Russia and Ukraine are shitholes 30 years out of date while the Western MIC has been working on solutions for the last decade.
Schizos don't want you to know this but the military was concerned with drones before ISIS started spamming them.
Ok? You didn't answer my question. Detection or not, it's about combating them and stopping the attacks. Which it seems like almost no military knows how to do.
The American MIC and Anglos by extension have known how to fight them for a decade+. You're just not aware of it. You unironically said 'Most radar systems are designed to catch something a lot bigger than a drone'!
Is there something wrong with your brain?
The problem with the west is a focus on peer forces using drones, more advanced, larger fixed wing type drones. There isn't much you can do about the quadcopter f1/rpg bombers of the fpv stuff. Some of the jamming tools would work against them too but they're obviously designed and deployed against specific threats. If you are infantry, cheap quadcopters are just a fact of life on the front. Until remote jammers become common on a squad level they're never going away.
Replicator initiative.
>DOD’s Replicator Program
>What are the goals of Replicator? DOD’s first stated goal is for Replicator drones to be
attritable, or in other words, cheap enough to lose.
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/AS/AS35/20231019/116484/HHRG-118-AS35-Wstate-GreenwaltW-20231019.pdf
>tfw the MIC slower and more retarded than the gov
>Until remote jammers become common on a squad level
So circa 2005. Yeah, ISIS drones did just go away when the jammers on every American vehicle added DJI frequencies.
Actual retard who is too new to be here for Syria and ISIS
>There isn't much you can do about the quadcopter f1/rpg bombers of the fpv stuff.
Spam them yourself, duh.
>babies first war
>thinks the whole world is as dumb as sandnigs and vatnigs
yeah
Army 2030 plans to give every division an Air Defense Battalion which will have your M-SHORADs plus a dedicated counter UAS battery for dealing with drones. More than that idk.
I think OP is wanting some sort of brigade or company level SHORAD
*battalion or company level
I'm thinking how small outpost like fire bases and retrans sites would be easy to attack with drones but hard to defend.
Maybe a big fucking net around and a above it.
How effective are shotguns against these drones? Perhaps we will see a dedicated skeet shooter in infantry squads
not very
they fly higher than birdshot will reliably reach (with an kind of power at least)
What about buckshot? Too big?
With only 9 projectiles, the hit probability is very low. Considering how hard it would be to see a 5 inch drone at 400 feet, some flying at 120+ mph, traditional weapons aren't practical. However, it is extremely easy to intercept and jam the video transmission, which is what I suspect the DoD is writing in their training manuals.
Watch jammers be about as common as laser designators....
>some flying at 120+ mph
Those are stripped out racing drones and don't have batteries that can last for more than 10 minutes. You won't encounter them on the field because they can't go far enough nor fast anymore when carrying a bomb.
It's funny when people see exceptional characteristics of specialized drones and assume those are normal on all drones. Applying that same logic to manned aircraft would imply $100,000 stealth planes that can transport MBTs at Mach 3.
Honestly an automatic rifle with a thermal is probably the best “low cost” man portable anti drone system that isn’t just pure EW.
Probably stingers and shotguns and EW stuff
An FPV drone is smaller than a stinger. It would probably dodge it.
Absolutely, considering how fast and maneuverable FPV drones are.
They probably will be, and I'm surprised that they haven't been as widespread considering how common FPV drones are in Ukraine. Virtually every modern analog VTX is running 5.8 GHz, a frequency rarely used by other devices - and this is by design.
There are so many ways to combat commercial drones: Faraday cages, signal jammers, tapping into the video transmission, and more. I think that Russian conscripts just don't care or their R&D is pathetic.
One of these shrunk down to the size of a water cooler
Oh great. Will it shoot at battleships too?
They’re working on it. Read this
Tl;dr they’re trying to focus on attriting the operators and relay points using SIGNIT/ELINT and using SIGNIT/ELINT to detect and track drones for elimination
Lol why didn't the Armenians think of that?
For manned stuff, EW. On the small scale, jammers on vehicles and on manpacks or handheld guns. On the strategic scale, the detection of emissions with aircraft, MALE drones and satellites and the prompt strike with things like HIMARS and aircraft, like
For hard kill, systems like M-SHORAD, Coyote Block 2, and the "slinger" systems with radar guided CROWs guns. Then you have directed energy with DE M-SHORAD, Locust pallet lasers (also on ISV trucks) and high-powered microwave systems.
I want to keep saying this but people have a totally whacked out scale of drone swarms. We haven't seen anything more than like, 3 of them used in concert, and they've ALL had to be manually controlled.
> why didn't Armenia use the EW assets it didn't have
beats me
Based fellow knowers BTFOing the speculators
It’s not even worth hav to a conversation on /k/ about drones at this point. Everyone ignores the facts, everyone who spams about drones is ignorant of even the most public knowledge like DE-M-SHORAD, none of them can read nor care to read even the public documents about anti-drone warfighting doctrine and none even know about GWOT and ISIS era drone and EW shit.
It’s tiresome
>Sit in hole, raise a wire 20ft
>Enjoy safety
>Wire gets cut
>Pull more wire through
Like it's not even funny how cheap transmitters can be. Good luck with that.
>be sitting in a hole
>have a 2000lbs JDAM dropped on you
>die
FTFY
>sit in a hole launching FPVs
>they fall out of the sky to 2005-era surplus jammers
>AI DF'ing drops a pin on the map
>a boomer spins his tank on top of your hole burying you alive
It's funny because America has been working on the solution to mines since before the invasion of Ukraine - robotic 81mm mortars firing the demining projectile while a friendly drone spots the mines for it with GPR.
Drone attacks will make IEDs obsolete. Military logistics convoys are always slow and easy to attack.
> are always slow
Quadcopters are slow and even slower if they carry a warhead. Drones + IED makes far more sense because you can stop the convoy and kill with drones too slow to intercept them.
IED are always useful. Especially drone-dropped IED
Wire-detonated IEDs were used because wireless signals were useless against the American jammers on every vehicle.
The US military went hailmary against drones years ago when it encountered them in the Middle East (especially against ISIS) well before the Ukraine War.
Today, all those drone attacks against US bases in the Middle East post-Gaza event were detected via Aerostar balloons just hovering over bases with X-S band maritime radars attached on the bottom. And those were developed years ago because DoD had a panic attack against drones.
Who cares if the balloons detected all the attacks if they weren't stopped
Exactly, you can maybe detect it but what are you gonna do to shoot it down?
It's wasn't about stopping the first shot. It was about ID'ing the shooter so green eyed goons could visit him that night to catch his supplier and his supplier's supplier the next night to eliminate the shooting completely.
So basically they have no actual real defense and if they are hit by a real attack they're fucked.
>what is COIN forensics
So basically, you don't know what you don't know.
From what you're saying the "defense" against these attacks is letting the attack happen, then later going to stop whoever initiated the attack. That's great for small random attacks but for a real attack you're just fucked. It's also probably very motivating for the people knowing that they have no defense and if they get killed they'll get killed but don't worry we'll arrest the guy tomorrow.
In small wars the POGs walk into a concrete building and sip Monsters while the grunts raid the guy. In big ones they drop artillery on him. Same concept: counterbattery. EW parries any 'real attacks' so nobody's in danger.
Now the MIC finally cares about shooting down drones physically because autonomy is here. But if you're the kind of imbecile who believes FPVs are revolutionary guerilla weapons or Slavic tankbusters instead of cope, think of it like APS on tanks. When everyone and their mom has an ATGM, APS is nice to have. Before that, it doesn't matter if a few dudes kill one tank, the other 40 are going to wipe out their battalion and move on to win the war.
The next generation will have a fiber optic link to launcher. Jammers wont do anything so you'll have to absorb the hit or shoot it down somehow. Its basically a hybrid ATGM.
I'm still waiting to see someone smart enough to make a sniper drone. A small drone sized target flying 1,000 feet above enemy positions and just kinda shoots them one at a time.
Impossible. The faintiest breeze would fuck up the shot.
ATGMs and drones will merge once the drone gets fire and forget features.
How the fuck did you get banned for that copy pasta? What the fuck kind of newfag shitty jannies do we have now?
Anti drone gun and jammer, all in one
Every squad will have a designated falconer
Shoot them, fry them, send the drone apex predators on them, use a shotgun, use a open microwave, smoke, flares, laser them, balloons with fishing line
It's really not that hard
I'm thinking an extended tube, fully choked 12ga. autoloader with 00 buck for the trail guy would be a good start. We used to have an "Air Guard" when riding in open trucks when I was in.
i got your fully choked extended tube 12ga right here pal (my dick)
I'd say make an optic that makes getting shots on drones easier. Like it gets data on the drone's velocity, wind speed, bullet velocityc etc and puts the reticle where you should aim if you want to hit the drone.
A more elaborate version of this