Has the AR15 reached it's apogee? Have we reached the limit of what we can do with this 70 year old design?

Has the AR15 reached it's apogee? Have we reached the limit of what we can do with this 70 year old design? Are consumers finally starting to realize that it has one foot in the grave, or will autists continue buying them for the next hundred years?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hop would look hella cute with earrings.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I was honestly thinking the same thing

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poor Hop can't win for losing. He tried to grow a beard, maybe to fight the perception that he's a troon, and it looked so bad. He said in a video a while back that he can't grow a beard because his facial hair looks terrible, and he proved it.

      I don't care what he is, he brings a refreshing hatred for cringe gun culture that every other israelitetuber deep throats for money. He's probably not in a sexual relationship with assfacts, who is so gay he could model a Navy uniform.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish Hop was my bf, he'd be so fun to go shooting with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the problems with being born cute as a button. I'm glad I'm rugged, in an ugly way.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >being born cute as a button

          yeah mean when i think cute i definitely think of bells palsy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Apologize

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think he adequately offsets it by being a giant.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He's my giantess boy gf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      im an aids infested homosexual btw

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh, hi Hop

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there's no way to improve it further, the AR15 is essentially a perfect weapon system.
    I can't imagine how someone would make a brand new weapon completely different than the AR family thats even remotely successful or useful

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hope not.
      I am about to buy my first AR15 & I'm counting on the abundance of ammo to stay cheap as I like to use one for home defense, some serious plinking & maybe a little hunting.

      The only thing that can really improve at this point is cheaper night vision or thermal which is really an optic thing.

      >I can't imagine how someone would make a brand new weapon completely different
      Lasers

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's the thing. The big "improvement" on the current platform is reverting to cold war era rounds that have great long range (near peer) effectiveness in some sort of horrible neo-wwi caused by a refusal to use nukes paired with a refusal to cede territory.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There's AR uppers in 50bmg, so do we even need to switch to a whole new weapon system in order to shoot some barrel burners?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've been throwing around the idea of making something just to satisfy my autism.
      Long gas piston, fixed ejector, ak style buffer sysyem, controlled round feed trilug but in an ar15 formfactor using stanags. I'd also make the barrel extensions threads stainless steel inserts.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Robinson XCR does 90% of what you asked for already.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ak style buffer sysyem
        Bro's just mashing together gun words

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >essentially a perfect weapon system.
      this is delusion, it's a finicky piece of shit just to shoot hot .22 wowoweewow argays, you never made it out of children's calibers

      you're all still guns that are the equivalent of kids on bikes with training wheels, amazing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The AR15 is one of the least finnicky autoloading designs, the impulse period is way longer than forward piston designs.
        The fact that there is an array of parts available which don't all work together doesn't mean anything. Anyone can put aftermarket parts in any gun and make it stop working.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        which is why every serious military on the planet is adopting an AR15 of some sort?
        i guess all the militaries in the world are wrong and you're right, you must feel special.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >weapon system
      kys

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just get this system tight into your workspace bro. This is how you operate effectively in your AO and prosecute targets efficiently.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This, it’s a weapon platform

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I miss when guns were just called guns and not this weird politically correct newspeak "platform" shit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            saying something like "this AR is inaccurate" is very different than saying "the AR platform is inacurrate". the latter implies that inaccuracy is inherent to the design of AR-style rifle

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not perfect, the smelly gas comes back and stuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >perfect
      >needs an extra help me button
      lmoa

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nice bait

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Constant recoil, wider magwell to accept quad stacks (desert tech style). Such a rifle would overlap a lot more with an LMG without losing anything. Jim Sullivan concurs, he made the surefire MGX.

      That’s all I can come up with. Maybe a weight loss program, just cause. With all the shit We’re putting on our guns these days, they’re regularly over 10 pounds.

      There’s also a historical trend of guns getting shorter, so a CETME-style cartridge that efficient in <12” barrels without sacrificing external ballistics would be real nice. But that’s a question of cartridges, not rifle.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >t. francis fukuyama

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fine, I'll bite. What will you replace it with, O wise and learned anon?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10/10 made me look up the word apogee

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For me, it's zenith.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not aphelion
        Weak.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's a solid design, the only improvements at this point would be better materials for certain components, but the cost would probably be too great for such minimal improvements. Caseless would be cool but they don't work because of heat/autoignition. Bigger bullets are cool but they weigh more and go slower. No buffer tube has higher recoil and having a stock is nice so there really isn't a reason to go for this option. Accuracy and long range are the realm of bolt actions. Bullpups have shitty triggers. etc. The AR15 just works and it is hard to imagine something coming along that makes it obsolete. Depending on how you configure it, you can have a short cqb gun, a mid sized "do it all" gun, or a longer range gun. It's not great at the longer range stuff, but not many people shoot at 300 yards anyway.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Until "standard issue" rifles have features on par with or exceeding what you can get from KAC or LMT, and then some, the platform hasn't been pushed far enough yet, IMO.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    homie you can just make a hop thread you don't have to bait the ARgays to make it on topic too

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see the AR15 going anywhere soon. There's so much aftermarket for it out there, including the ability to easily turn them full auto or configure them for different calibers. Also due to the buffer tube (which morons consider a con) it's the reason why it's so soft shooting in the first place. Ergonomically it has been tuned to perfection. There are more AR15 and AR15 spare parts in the hands of civilians than certain multiple countries armies put together. I say all this as an AK gay. I still think the AK is a better rifle for the average normies but the AR15 isn't far behind.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Also due to the buffer tube (which morons consider a con)
      It's mostly a con because of overall length and if you're using a carbine tube, metal against your cheek isn't the most comfortable for midwinter shooting

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Folding stocks are more niche than people make them out to be. It's just morons nitpicking to try and find SOMETHING about the AR to complain about.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A good folding stock can turn a carbine into a perfect car weapon as passenger, collapsible stocks get in the way when shooting from inside the car. It's the collapsible stock that's more niche than people make them out to be. Their collapsed state barely saves any space because of the buffer tube.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Car weapon
            Again, a niche. Rarely ever employed. When it IS employed, such as police videos, they fire collapsible stocks just fine.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > a carbine into a perfect car weapon as passenger
            So something that barely happens? Even in combat people barely shoot from inside vehicles. I just spent this week shooting prairie dogs inside a truck with a suppressed 20” AR. It’s fine. You still want the stock deployed to actually aim.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The space saving thing is far less important than making the length of pull adjustable on the fly regardless of whether you're handing it to a 6'6 gorilla or a 4'13 king of the manlettes.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              With a better system you can have both though

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All firearms have, we have nothing more to do until a revolutionary breakthrough

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      caseless bullets

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, because the magazine is still only 30 rounds and offsets the balance of the weapon. Perfection would be an AR-15 with some sort of reliable 5.56 P90 mag

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Has the AR15 reached it's apogee?
    Lets see:
    >Shits where it eats, dirty as frick
    >Spits cancer causing gas in your face with suppressors
    >No folding stock
    >Jams in cold weather
    >Jams when dropped in water

    Its time to move to a piston driven system.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shits where it eats
      Opinion discarded
      >Spits cancer gas
      So do piston guns...?
      >No folding stock
      Good
      >Jams in cold weather
      False
      >Jams when dropped in water
      False
      >Piston
      Nah

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shits where it eats
      everyone who has ever said this doesn't actually shoot and doesn't know anything about guns, they just heard someone who they think knows about guns say it, feel smart about it, then repeat it to also sound smart

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not exactly false, easily the dirtiest of my guns but my AK isn't far off. The cleanest I have ever cleaned are the Vz. 58 and Tigr - basically no shit whatsoever on the internals

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shits where it eats, dirty as frick
      anon tell me what these 2 silly little holes in the side of the bolt carrier are?
      >Jams in cold weather
      you watched too many Russian cold weather tests again? As someone who has used an M4 and M16 in extreme cold in the military as long as you don't let water to freeze inside of your weapon by being irresponsible then it works fine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You aren't seriously saying the AR isn't dirty as frick? Granted, the AK is not far behind

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm saying that it doesn't "shit where it eats" and that its carbon buildup isn't as big of an issue as it's made out to be by detractors. Most carbon in the system actually comes from the barrel, not the gas system (which is why it gets so dirty when using a suppressor) because again it vents most of it out of the side of the bolt carrier.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Being dirty as frick doesn’t matter. That’s the point
          >https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/brass-vs-steel-cased-ammo/
          Unless you’re too lazy to wipe down the BCG every 2500 rounds. And in case you don’t read that, it’s 10,000 brass cases rounds fired with zero malfunctions where they only cleaned the BCG at 2,500 and 7,500 rounds and did a full rifle cleaning at 5,000. Even steel cased barely malfunctioned in 10,000 rounds.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have actually read that before to figure out how many rounds my Saiga can take before I need a barrel swap

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What does being dirty matter? Explain it with facts. And no dirty isn't inherently bad to a machine, most car manufactures recommend never cleaning the engine bay. It's almost like you can engineer around problems.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Shits where it eats, dirty as frick
      oh, look, a noguns

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. The end state of ARs is all of the gucci features of high end ARs being normalized. Monolithic uppers are held under patent, so that's one big aspect that's being artificially throttled. You can probably build the perfect AR today with parts from various manufacturers, but until things like ambi lowers and adjustable gas and low friction bolt carriers are institutional across the market; the AR is still WIP. And thats not accounting for improvements nobody has thought of yet, remember how 15 years ago homosexuals thought that full quadrails were the apex? Now weve been through keymod and moved onto mlok, who knows if thats where it ends but probably not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except the number of things going on rails has not changed whatsoever since 2003. Laser, VFG/AFG, vis light, tape switches, irons. Maybe 12 people have put a COTI or CONV in front of their optic in 20 years. It's all tedious. Muh rail. Everyone's setups are cookie cutter and they will continue to be because there's nothing new coming out.

      None of the features you mentioned do anything greater than 1% better than an M16A1 from 1968. The operating system, material details aside, was already perfect in 1959. You could give every soldier today an A1 and they would not lose any first round hit probability

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The lasers n shit are absolutely game changers but you're right in that nothing prevents you from sticking those on other guns, even though people like to pretend they're AR exclusive for some reason

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > even though people like to pretend they're AR exclusive for some reason
          Because the only real equivalent competition is an AK and comparatively it sucks ass for mounting optics and accessories.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The aftermarket is smaller but you can definitely get all the same shit on an AK.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not nearly as cheaply and as effectively. Getting an AK setup, like a basic Free float Ar15 will cost more be more work, and won't be as nice. Getting the high end AK gear which is the equivalent of mid tier AR stuff will cost far more.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not nearly as cheaply
                Well duh you don't think certain import bans were intended to steer development into that direction?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No I do not. Import bans were to restrict gun rights. Not to help domestic industries.

                The issue is with how the gun is designed, not because we can’t import certain things.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No it isn't
                Of course you will have more and better optimized AR stuff than anything else made when its market share is artificially inflated

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > when its market share is artificially inflated
                Wouldn’t that have been a great market opportunity for a domestic manufacturer to exploit since 2004? Since it’s just as easy and just as versatile according to you, there’s a giant untapped market waiting to be exploited. Even though there are more ARs than AKs there’s still a shit ton of AKs

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Before the Russian chimpout you could have dirt cheap Russian crap and the AK demographic back then wanted to be as authentic to the originals as possible
                In later years we then got Zenitco and Krebs and what not after pimping out your AK with Western gear became more of a thing, but what killed Zenitco also killed the AK

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ARs have been cheaper than AKs since 2017 and arguably before that. That’s still a 5 year span which produced what? And post 2022 because it is harder to get 7.62x39 isn’t that even more incentive to fine tune the existing rifles and modernize them? Why haven’t they?

                Just so we’re clear you started with
                >AKs aren’t able to attach thinks because of import bans and less market pressure
                To
                >well they could if people wanted to but they don’t want to
                Just admit it’s because of the design. That doesn’t make one inherently better or worse.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Just admit it’s because of the design.
                No because it isn't. The primary weaknesses against the AR will probably be
                >suppressor readiness, because the barrel threads aren't meant for suppressor use
                >no drop in triggers
                and not much else. Have you ever taken apart an AK? It's not rocket science. Accessory manufacturers just tend to do dumb things like requiring permanent modification to the rifle instead of playing to the strengths of the AK.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Accessory manufacturers just tend to do dumb things like requiring permanent modification
                You ever think that’s because it’s required or that’s the most effective way to do it? What would you do differently to make them not permanent? And why haven’t you made those?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You ever think that’s because it’s required
                Definitely not because the Zenitco handguards still work with the original handguard retainer, for whatever reason most other long HGs require cutting it off. Same with many side rail mount solutions not being QD for no particular reason (and thus missing the point), while the most advanced model, the RS Regulate, is not only modular but also QD. There's just a lot of really weird evolution going on in the AK accessory market

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The AUG aftermarket today is pretty much where the AK aftermarket was 10-15 years ago. AKs have come a long way despite being artificially hamstrung by import bans.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I didn’t say you couldn’t. But it’s more expensive and more troublesome to mount. Any moron can put anything on an AR.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure I see your point. Yes, the accessories being mounted haven't changed, but an old A4 with all that versus a modern Mlok equivalent with newer furniture and all the shit could be as much as 2 lbs lighter; that's a clear material improvement with no loss of functionality. Its like how a combustion engine hasn't changed meaningfully since catalytic converters became regulation, yet modern cars are more efficient and go further between breakdowns than cars even 20 years ago did. You don't have to reinvent the wheel to make something clearly better.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ehh your example isn't a good one.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > None of the features you mentioned do anything greater than 1% better than an M16A1 from 1968.
        > You could give every soldier today an A1 and they would not lose any first round hit probability
        If you don’t think optics change things you’re an idiot. If you told a soldier in nam he could see in the jungle at night and project a laser onto his targets that his enemy can’t see, and then say that doesn’t matter, he’d also call you an idiot.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Except the number of things going on rails has not changed whatsoever since 2003. Laser, VFG/AFG, vis light, tape switches, irons. Maybe 12 people have put a COTI or CONV in front of their optic in 20 years. It's all tedious. Muh rail. Everyone's setups are cookie cutter and they will continue to be because there's nothing new coming out.

          None of the features you mentioned do anything greater than 1% better than an M16A1 from 1968. The operating system, material details aside, was already perfect in 1959. You could give every soldier today an A1 and they would not lose any first round hit probability

          >You could give every soldier today an A1 and they would not lose any first round hit probability
          while I agree the A1 was at the start a mature design, this statement is simply false. Magnified optics absolutely are a tangible benefit and flat top uppers are superior for their use than fixed carry handles. Night vision and IR lasers are of course also very important and even in Vietnam they were being mounted onto M16s. the lightest way to do that now is with a sturdy MLOK rail. Materiel science has also vastly improved like most obviously polymers and more durable coatings.

          These are not small semantic changes, the original AR15 can do about 60% of what a modern rifle can do, not 95%. From shooting at night, to being more durable, having a greater sustained rate of fire, can mount optics easier, they're more accurate, take longer to string shots due to heat, are easier to maintain, more modular, can shoot a greater variety of projectiles, etc.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it already did
    outside freefloat handguards
    5.56 needs a decent amount of barrel length to function, but larp gays who never actually shoot anything but paper will never run into the reality their short barreled larp rifle is effective to like 50-100 yards max

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You really need to define effective. Like maximum performance isn't effective. It's effective until it stop reasonably turning functioning combatants into casualties. An 11.5inch AR is going to be perfectly effective till atleast 300.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        effective in skinnies not getting back up and shooting
        anything lower than 14.5 is Draco-tier
        14.5 doesnt magically fit where 16in dont
        SPRs were cut down from 18 to 16
        20 is optimum
        16 is peak min maxing

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No one would use 16 inch barrels if the NFA didn't exist.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dissy enthusiasts would

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They don't shoot, they're too busy being bussy enthusiasts.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have we reached the platforms peak probably. Is there literally anything better no. So it won't be foolish to buy them until there is something else that accomplishes the same goals for the same cost.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hybrid/polymer cases
    >electronic trigger reducing weight/parts
    >bullpup-ification for glorious 20'' gains and no OOL compromise
    >exotic alloys allowing absurd loadings [including better AP]
    >augmented reality glasses for quick real time range guestimation instead of putting that extra weight into a 'smart optic'

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Would that even be an AR15 anymore?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sure. Its some ship of Theseus shit, but the MXC, 416 and LR300 are all still AR variants in spite of having different methods of operation, while bullpup AKs are still fundamentally AKs. I don't see why an AR shooting plastic cases out of a bullpup chassis with a solenoid trigger and carbon nanotube upper wouldn't still be a type of AR.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the MXC, 416 and LR300 are all still AR variants
          No they aren't. There is nothing in them which Stoner patented.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So piston ARs aren't ARs? I think you're in the minority by believing that.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I mean not technically no they aren't. Esthetically they are but that's it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this post is completely made of gay moronation
      >hybrid/polymer cases
      thermodynamics
      >electronic trigger reducing weight/parts
      yes, relying on miniaturized electronics to work in perpetual vibration and dirt and sand
      >bullpup-ification for glorious 20'' gains and no OOL compromise
      everyone who tried bullpup homosexualry has an AR in service for their doorkickers now
      >exotic alloys allowing absurd loadings [including better AP]
      thermodynamics again, powder doesnt magically double its energy potential
      >augmented reality glasses for quick real time range guestimation instead of putting that extra weight into a 'smart optic'
      inane homosexualry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >powder doesnt magically double its energy potential
        Use a more energy dense propellant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Your post is made of unvaccianted-against-polio and lead poisoning moronation. I'll take the gay's suggestions.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wild that he has his red dot placed that high but then says the hellion's height over bore is excessive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      ARs are exempt from chin weld ridicule

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Height over top rail for use with NV =/= inherent height over bore

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's clearly using NV in that picture isn't he

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >just take off and re-zero your optic every time you aren’t using NV
          Great plan chief

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have heard too many copes about "passive aiming" to think that's the reason

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's clearly using NV in that picture isn't he

              Then you're moronic. No clue what video of his this is from, but he tends to shoot the same setup with and without NV in pretty much all of them. An actual criticism of him is that he's extremely annoying about insisting his setups be NV compatible. All of them. Every video is "hurr durr but will it work with nods?"

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              God you’re dumb

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >He's clearly using NV in that picture isn't he
          There's a fricking LAM on the front of the gun. You are the most moronic anon I've seen in a while.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            A LAM is the same as NV huh

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The HOB difference between a hellion with a low mounted dot and an ar with a unity mount is the same as the difference between a unity mount and an absolute height mount.
      It's like using an acog top dot, but without the acog.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are consumers finally starting to realize that it has one foot in the grave
    Literally nothing is better than a well-made AR with all the modern reliability optimizations. Some IP needs to be shared before they're all in one rifle though, principally HMB and LMT should collaborate on the bolt.
    DI/internal piston is simply the most space and weight efficient cycling system. Nothing made before or since has bested it.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still in use in 2104 AD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If anything of the AR remains in the future, it will be the ergonomics.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    /k/troons keep getting mogged by the butch lesbian and her gucci gear.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking about getting a 650 dollar M&P Sport II. I don't have the money to build at this point. How bad an idea is that?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a great idea tbh. Sure PSA is gudenuf, but S&W is gudenuffer for only slightly more, plus you can pick one up and handle it before you buy it at any store in the country, and not worry about QA issues.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Amazing bait. The sheer amount of people you got to go:
    >AR15 is all ya need, sonny!
    is incredible.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I always wonder how these kinds of homosexuals would feel if they knew that future historians refer to all modern rifles as "ARs" the way that we refer to some melee weapons as "swords" despite the wildly varying types and uses for them.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I predict the AR15/M4 is going to be the 1911 of rifles for a hundred years. It does enough things just well enough and was featured in enough media about enough wars that it's become the Honda Civic of firearms. Everybody knows somebody that has one, part commonality is great, baseline performance is sufficient, aftermarket upgrade scene is insane. Familiar, simple, iconic, and as functional as you want it to be. And now they've gotten pretty cheap, too.

    I would be genuinely surprised to see it go anywhere for a long, long time.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    firearm design in general has plateaued

    what else is there to improve? pistols, rifles, whatever

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's so pretty

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Firearm technology is largely where it was in the 1890s. Self contained cartridges, smokeless powder, and autoloading firearms have had some improvements in engineering but no major changes.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Optics have been the most meaningful technological jumps for firearms. Going from basically no sights, to one's that detect the enemies heat or one's that make shooting a mile a realistic battlefield capability. That is the greatest advance in firearms.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is there anywhere else that combustion-based firearms can go in terms of advancement? Aside from improvements to ammunition, I don't see how the design of rifles can actually be improved.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If we had some kind of ridiculous metamaterial advancement like all-graphene construction, we could load rounds almost arbitrarily hot.

      There's also Combustion Light Gas Gun tech that was never really followed up on, but produced way way higher projectile velocity than solid fuel firearms in early tests.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it never will. changes will be made as the realities of warfare and military doctrine require them. we will go gas piston, then DI. we will change the position of the recoil springs. we will change the caliber. soon we will have AR goggles that connect to weapon cameras and glass optics will go the way of the dodo, and as a result we'll go back to carrying handles. it will go on and on forever

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >w-wheres muh heckin lazer guns
    have a nice day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're moronic. Take your own suggestion.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    on mars my dude

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's good enough but the correct answer is always buy more toys and always exaggerate the importance of mere rifles as if design details ever won or lost a war. Autism requires objects for stimming.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT
    >Is the AR the perfect weapons system?
    >No it has issues with X Y Z
    >NOOO THOSE ISSUES DONT ACTUALLY MATTER KYS KYS KYS

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The AR is still good enough, but it’s not perfect.
    >Poor barrel length - OAL ratio
    >length of recoil system is needlessly long because the entire recoil spring and buffer is directly behind the bolt carrier
    >gas system is simple and efficient, but relies on tight tolerance parts with lots of complex machining operations. Reducing the complexity of the bolt carrier could cut costs
    >gas system vents an uncomfortable amount of gas back to the user and causes the gun to get dirty very fast, which is a problem regardless of whether or not the gun can run effectively when dirty
    >mags are difficult and inconsistent to insert on a closed bolt when fully or overloaded. I’ve seen loads of people drop mags out of there magwell because of this, it’s a common issue
    >charging handle placement is uncomfortable, and low mounted optics can get in the way
    >bolt catch/release placement is awkward and borderline impossible to reach with the the firing hand
    All of these problems are possible to design a new system around to address, they’re not insurmountable. AR is good but AR is not perfect

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      My only gripe is that it isn't side charging
      Autistic design ensuring the gun is environmentally sealed is one thing but you have several workarounds for that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >which is a problem regardless of whether or not the gun can run effectively when dirty
      Why is it a problem if it doesn’t affect function? Yeah it’s more annoying to clean, especially if suppressed, but so what?
      >mags are difficult and inconsistent to insert on a closed bolt when fully or overloaded. I’ve seen loads of people drop mags out of there magwell because of this, it’s a common issue
      Fair point. Skill issue, but it’s happened to me too. Happens to everyone eventually.
      >charging handle placement is uncomfortable, and low mounted optics can get in the way
      The charging handle is at the same height as the rail. What optic is getting in the way?
      >bolt catch/release placement is awkward and borderline impossible to reach with the the firing hand
      BAD lever fixes this and I don’t see why you can’t use your offhand. But yeah you’re right about not being able to reach it normally with your stronghand

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What optic is getting in the way?
        QD levers and the like can stick out enough for the CH to be awkward to pull back
        And so can optics with large oculars

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >QD levers
          I wasn’t thinking about those. Never used them myself

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A gun needs to be cleaned periodically no matter what, some guns less so than others, but the less dirty it gets and the easier it is to clean the better. It’s not a tremendous drawback but it’s still an issue with the system that could be addressed

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