Has Soviet arms aid always been junk?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every weapon or vehicle produced by the USSR with the exception of AK pattern rifles has been garbage. Anything of any potential value they made was done using tech stolen from the West.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were quite successful in Spain - T26 was a great tank for the time, and I-16 was a decent enough fighter.

      >Anything of any potential value they made was done using tech stolen from the West.
      Both of the above are examples of this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They were quite successful in Spain
        Only in extracting Spain's entire fucking gold reserves.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They were quite successful in Spain
        the main problem in Spain was the shitfest in the republican side > Anarchist Communist and Socialist killing eachother in the rearguard, the first year with everyone doing the war against The Nationals on their own didn't help neither.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What do you expect when your ´army´ is just a collection of lumpenprole untermensch.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >T26 was a great tank for the time
        Everything about T-26 was built under license. Tank itself was designed by Bongoloids and gun was designed by Krauts. At least they paid for license and tech transfers with those.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what’s the PKM, RPD, their 12mm machine gun, and RPG

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mosin also good rifle

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >PKM
        Fuck yeah.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Enemy Boat Spotted!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wi shung- wi shung- wi shung
            >jiji tango pudding, one bee

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/o9bBTZo.jpg

            >wi shung- wi shung- wi shung
            >jiji tango pudding, one bee

            Ammo, here!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he didn't exclusively play the BF2 demo for over 10 years

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >RPD
        shit gun, only notable for stupidly simple bolt and similarly short part life
        >their 12mm machine gun
        Which one? the shake-yourself-apart-piece-of-shit DShK? the flimsy-overheating-can't-hit-broadside-of-the-barn NSV? or the mythical vaporware with bipod named Kord?
        >RPG
        it's not even that good, never was either. it was just really, really cheap and coom. even in the 60s there were much better things out there, for example various recoilless rifles and the lightweight and disposable LAW.

        I'll give you props for the PKM so the guy you responded to should probably expand his wording to "AK pattern weapons".

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dumb gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hi larxene fag

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AK pattern rifles
      Even this is based on Western products

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, it fucked up a lot of colonial nations in Africa with "buy one get eleven free" deals on AKs and heavily aided the commie Vietnamese. Also keep in mind people on here are going to be very critical of AK's because of the nature of PrepHole being a weapons forum, but in reality it doesn't matter *that* much.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think anyone thought Soviet/Russia stuff was top quality, just affordable for third world nations.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >soviet guns are junk, our M16's will-ACK
    Soviet firearms are very effective for what they are, underestimating them is how you end up dead.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pic made me chuckle

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet guns in general have always been one of the few things they've ever had that were actually pretty good for how cheaply made they are, it's honestly a bit weird how they generally managed to do that one thing almost consistently well while everything else that came out of the Soviets was absolute garbage.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just hand waving everything the Soviets made as garbage is such horseshit and really just shows you morons don't know anything outside of the typical talking points spammed on here. Read something for once guys. It fucking infuriates me to see everything boiled down to modern meme'd simplifications. Nuance was dying when armatard was the bogeyman but fuck if the Ukraine war hasn't fully killed it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good things Soviets have made
        -their rockets were pretty good for a while
        -AK was revolutionary
        -MiG-15 was able to achieve parity with F-86
        -umm
        -uhhhh
        I'm pullin blanks here

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          T-54/55 was arguably better than the Patton. The M47 got dunked on every single time it went against T-54/55 family. The M48 did better in Israeli hands but failed in every other conflict. The M60 seems to be when Pattons finally stopped sucking.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even then the M60 didn't have any real advantage over Soviet designs until they started putting thermals in them.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            T55 was good medium tank, operating in the niche for massed advances tactics. T70 t90 etc are just modifications that changed little. Unfortunately the absolute superiority of the t55 only lasted until the British L7 made and the t54 line onwards was obsolete Vs west. But this isn't so important USSR strategically always avoided direct western conflict due to mad. So what USSR valued the most, and this goes for all it's weapons bar AA, is cheap and reliable enough when given away to another country group of communism ideologues to destabilise the government and come to power. When USSR weapons are considered in their political role of destabilising and spreading communism they are excellently designed. The list of nations conquered by USSR weapons is vast.
            Whereas western weapons whilst individually superior, are exclusively for "defense" in the strategic sense.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was specifically comparing them to the Pattons because imho early Cold War British tanks were better than both. Centurions and their derivatives performed really well in multiple conflicts against both T-55 and Patton variants.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          PPS was pretty good for what it took to make, seeing that it's main competitor was M3 and Sten.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Soviets made good air defence systems, tanks, small arms, planes. Of course, not all of it was designed in Russia.

          The Soviet ground army of the 50s-70s was better equipped than NATO including USA. Probably their big letdown was logistics, training and leadership as today but they had stuff going for them at the time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >air defense systems
            If recent performance is anything to go by, X to doubt
            >tanks
            To an extent, also see above
            >small arms
            ok
            >planes
            MiG-15 was the last time the USSR had parity with the West.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >If recent performance is anything to go by, X to doubt
              But Ukrainian S-300 systems are doing great.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If official stories are to be believed they have a penchant for Polish farmers

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >recent performance
              they suffer from being used by the fucking russians. in addition, now is not the 70s, times change and the equipment didn't.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >recent events
              30 year old equipment was 30 years old 30 years ago.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >their rockets were pretty good for a while
          Stolen from germs.
          >AK was revolutionary
          same.
          >MiG-15 was able to achieve parity with F-86
          Yeah, still stolen.
          20 years of using the ww2 spoils were the peak of soviet engineering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            fuck off retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >American rockets
            Stolen.
            >T-26 Pershing
            Stolen.
            >AR-15
            Stolen.
            >Fighters
            Stolen from Germany. Vgh, is there nothing stolen from the Aryan race?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Stolen from germs.
            Soviets were arguably ahead of krauts in rocketry in 30's. Then they put bit over seven or so leading rocket scientists to play Stalinist game of musical chairs and denouncing. Langemak and Klemenov were shot on spot. Rest sent to Gulag, including Korolev and Glushko. When it comes to Kraut rocket scientists, only relevant guy they managed to snatch was a telemetry guy when it comes to scientists and couple production engineers. Rest managed to fuck off from eastern parts of the country before Soviets came and surrendered to Yanks and Bongloids.

            When it comes to aircraft and jet engines, Soviets managed to get one of leading engineers from Junkers and couple engine guys. Fun fact, turboprop engines of the noisiest aircraft ever produced serially were designed by Ferdinand Brandner, Austrian fella who was part of Nazi party long before Anschluss. Was part of freikorps from pretty much the moment WWI ended.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Soviet rockets were flat out better up until we introduced the Saturn. Mismanagement, bureaucratic squabbling, and generally getting their red asses handed to them in the moon race meant that they largely gave up on direct competition after that, although Energia/Buran was pretty cool for all three flights it had.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          submarines and space stuff

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet rockets were pretty good.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ladas run forever

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        b8

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >proving his point right
    War tourist IQ is low as the fucking Moskva.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's just knee jerk at this point. The tourists have trained themselves to see anything that goes against the groupthink as shilling by their enemy.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's kinda shit but it's usually free and you can get a lot of it. And at the end of the day this is what matters for most poor countries. They're not going to be fighting anyone but some insurgents armed with even shittier weapons. I mean would you spend ten times the money for five F-5 when you can get fifteen MiG-21 instead when the only action either will see is flying parades?

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anything that can be built using ww2 technology and reliability maintained by borderline illiterate conscripts tends to be passable. Anything more complex tends to suck.

    Though I am curious as how much of their small arms reputation comes solely from handing them out by the millions to point that all other small arms just get drowned out.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's something to be said from what other guns were there that could be acquired in required quantities and how good those were?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were generally speaking better than the cheapo western stuff, but rarely better than cutting-edge stuff.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The T-64 and T-72 were better than western tanks of the late 60s-70s.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Has Soviet arms aid always been junk
    Depends on the time period in question and markets. I know we all like talking shit about the T-72 or Hind these days but from the point of view of some third world buyer the fact that you could buy them in the 1980s already was amazing. Good luck convincing the US to sell you something other than a shitty Patton back then unless you're a really close ally like Israel.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    >killed
    Doesn't looks like it's this case

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Franco was fucking Chad and based and I’m tired of pretending he wasn’t

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Franco was fucking Chad and based and I’m tired of pretending he wasn’t [...]
      I enjoy the Katyushas and they made the germs shit themselves

      Wow, connection error made a weird double post wtf

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Franco was a two faced lying dictator who needed the help of other dictatorships.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cope leftists

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, but he wasn't a commie, and that made him good enough to only hold your nose closed while shaking his hand.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        aw, what's the matter, one of the nuns who you were trying to rape bit your needledick off?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        t. leftist who chimps out when capitalist countries stop trading with commies who just stole a bunch of property claiming its economic warfare

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He was a dictator but how was he lying?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Franco was fucking Chad and based and I’m tired of pretending he wasn’t

    Good things Soviets have made
    -their rockets were pretty good for a while
    -AK was revolutionary
    -MiG-15 was able to achieve parity with F-86
    -umm
    -uhhhh
    I'm pullin blanks here

    I enjoy the Katyushas and they made the germs shit themselves

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    [...]
    Franco was fucking Chad and based and I’m tired of pretending he wasn’t

    didn't division azul commited numerous war crimes agains Polish civilian population during ww2?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Were they even in Poland at any time? I thought they fought around Leningrad until Franco pulled them back in 1943 after pressure from the States on Franco.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        well, the route to ussr lead through Poland, and i heard that before attack on ussr they were in poland for some time

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, but if they did it was deserved

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how so?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Slavs aren't human

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and aside from the meme reasons? remember that slavs are owning colt firearm company
            https://fortune.com/2021/02/12/colt-firearms-bought-by-czg-ceska-zbrojovka-group/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sexo sexo sexo sexo

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    literally the only time Soviet arms weren't junk was in 1941-44 when they had American industrialists building and running factories for them, the same industrialists who were kidnapped into Soviet citizenship. All decline from there.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >1941-1944
      That period was the absolute low of Soviet production quality. There was zero quality control during WW2. Fucking look at the dog shit welding on war-time T-34s. Anything before or after looks like it was made by hyper advanced aliens by comparison.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Another moron spouting the same lines they've heard in other threads.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >RDK3
    >Probably means RKG3
    >Shaped charge grenade meant to fall onto vehicles using a parachute as a top attack for tanks
    >Haphazardly whipping it at armored cars only for the car to bumper bash them 90% of the time
    If anyone WAS killed by one of these, it'd have to have been an unthinkable stroke of luck for the person throwing it.
    That's on par with using a javelin on a tank, but instead of having it impact the tank directly, trying to get the tank to drive into the missile.
    It's only going to be a fraction as effective as it would have normally been.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    tfw realization soviet engineers and inventors were usually Ukrainian

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The moment you realize iraquis were 200% more heroic and brave than russians

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah. Someone post the story about the Mexican Air Force's dealings with Russia

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not always, but the Chinese were always better at it than the Russians.
    All this kneejerk hate for anything made in Russia by tourists is just par for the course at this point.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    THIS UGLY MOTHERFUCKER GOT PURE GOLD WITH THIS SIMPLE TRICK

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Soviet SAMs were really good. Just ask any pilot who flew in Vietnam. Even in Ukraine, the main issue facing the Russians is training. The Ukrainians are using S300s and BUKs to great effect.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think so. I think much of the success of SAMS in vietnam was due to it being their first major deployment in the field against pilots not trained to deal with the threat they posed. It wasn't a decade before Americans adapted gear to prevent getting shot at with sams and missiles to attack sam sites specifically.

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