Has Russia's navy ever been good? Seems like its performed badly in almost every war.

Has Russia's navy ever been good? Seems like its performed badly in almost every war. Maybe I’m just overlooking something?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They've always been more of a land power than a navy. I believe their navy did decently during WW II, but it was mostly subs and hit and raids from what I understand. Don't quote me on it though.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Their sub force was OK. Major warships were a shitshow. They borrowed a battleship from the British and when the Brits they got it back they had to scrap it it was in such bad shape.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >did decently during WW II
      they sunk a passanger ship filled to the brim with civilians fleeing the war resulting in the biggest death toll ship wreck of all time. Body count between 6k-9k. That is pretty much the only "achievement" they had in the war as the rest of it was spent sitting in the docks or getting blown up in minefield and air attack ambushes.

      The degenerate who did it was a drunkard and a wife beater btw who liked to indulge in anal sodomy to "discipline" his crew btw. Post war the wreck was detonated with explosives looking for loot they lost to the germans even though the ship was staffed to the brim with those fleeing the war. Valuables had separate convoys.

      Think of what you will of the germans but they were absolutely right in their intentions regarding these asiatic devils.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >The degenerate who did it was a drunkard and a wife beater btw who liked to indulge in anal sodomy to "discipline" his crew btw
        so a true old fashioned russian officer during the height of the soviet union and the only time russians were scary.

        btw "the mythical 60's 70's" where the red army was the greatest, the training was about as bad as today except most of the army was composed of people of the sattelite states who were complete hardasses and unlike russians today, actually managed to break free of the soviet union. One time even by literally defeating the ENTIRETY OF THE RED ARMY by SINGING.

        So yes, red army would've crumpled like a paper car being hit by a freight train the moment NATO invaded as its premier fighting forces were composed of people who wanted to kill the ever loving frick out of russians for the crime of deporting and mass murdering their families and friends 2 decades ago.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >One time even by literally defeating the ENTIRETY OF THE RED ARMY by SINGING.
          story?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Noooo you can't sink this ship carrying soldiers, we also put civilians on it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        Nazis have the dumbest copes.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Medical ship evacuating wounded and refugees
          This is a war crime btw. Just like how the English shot down the rescue craft picking up pilots from the BoB who crashed in the channel. While the Germans also picked up English pilots, the British just tried to stop the rescue operations all together.

          But you do not care about justice or sincerity. You just want your time to kill as many of the other tribe as possible, and cry out when karma comes knocking.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Russia reminds me of the American Indian reservations, except their entire country is one.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            ship evacuating wounded and refugees
            Good thing that Wilhelm Gustloff was not marked as a hospital ship then. She was also escorted by a warship, was visibly armed and carrying military personnel with no prior notification from the Germans that she was operating as a hospital ship (which she wasn't anyway). She was a perfectly legitimate target and you can't make the case that her sinking was a war crime, either by the standards of the day or now.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >was visibly armed
              Doubt.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It makes no real difference anyway, she didn't qualify for any of the protection offered to a hospital ship and was an entirely legitimate target sailing through known dangerous water with her navigation lights on. You'd have a better case arguing that the sinking of the Armenia in 1941 was a war crime since she was still painted as a hospital ship but there are more factors to that sinking that make it much less clear-cut.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >They did x to deserve it
                >No they didn't
                >Err, well it doesn't matter anyway
                Every time with war crimes apologists.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Demonstrate why sinking a ship that's not marked in a way or operating in a way that grants it protection according to any principles of the Geneva Convention was a war crime. Not once did I say that they deserved it, I said it wasn't a war crime and you've done nothing to explain why you think it was one.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I'll keep that in mind when I'm killing russian "civilians" (lawful combatants)

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      > I believe their navy did decently during WW II
      which navy?

      https://i.imgur.com/zNAyIqA.jpg

      Russia navy very stronk. best designs in world. western nazis do not understand.

      Russian bias surely was a thing in that game in the early years, but not so much anymore. Powercreep made sure of that.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Imperial russian navy btfo ottomans multiple times in 19th century
    Ottomans were in shambles by then though so idj if that counts for much.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      right after the battle of Chesma, the Russian commander Alexi Orlov sent a message to Catherine the great
      >a miracle has happened mother, a squadron was found worse than ours

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They're good at sinking transports carrying civilians and retreating soldiers.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian navy's been a meme for its entire existence. It was first built up as a serious force by Peter the Great, as he had gone over to Western Europe and seen their navies, and had even spent some time working in a Dutch shipyard.
    Problem is, illiterate peasants from the steppes who have never even seen the ocean before don't tend to make for good sailors, the country has never had very good sea access, and while the Russian navy has tried to be innovative on occasion, they've always either had incompetent officers and fools for sailors, or the occasional competent officer who still can't get anything done because his men are morons.
    Russia has maintained its navy over the centuries as a prestige thing. All the great empires of the world have big strong navies, so why shouldn't they? It's to the point that a solid half of their geopolitical moves over the years have been centred around getting ports for the stupid fricking thing, because despite its raw incompetence and lack of actual effect on the outcome of any war, the navy still holds massive sway in the halls of power.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Denis Maidanov (a particularly lunkheaded "patriotic" singer) rocking out on the deck of the Moskva after the Russians took Sevastopol is really funny in retrospect. The whole delusional energy is a trip.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You be the judge

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They are good at blowing up commie blocks.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Has Russia's navy ever been good?
    Since WW2 it has been very effective at killing Russians in a variety of very horrible ways, particularly the submarines. For me this means it is an excellent institution

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    There was a brief period in the Mid-1800s where it was decent, but while it was able to smash the Ottomans it was left to rot before it ever was tested against a comparable Western fleet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC in the early industrial era there was like 5 minutes where they actually beat the Ottomans over the head. All it took was them having ironclads and explosive shells against wooden ships firing round shot.

      >Ottomans
      lmao holy shit
      if my only achievement was beating 19th century turks I would be too embarrassed to even mention it

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC in the early industrial era there was like 5 minutes where they actually beat the Ottomans over the head. All it took was them having ironclads and explosive shells against wooden ships firing round shot.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is quasi-landlocked country. Their only "core" port is a tiny swath of coast on the deepest and furthest parts of Baltic Sea.
    Their southern warm water ports aren't even their and their eastern ports are pretty nominal.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >eastern ports are pretty nominal.
      Why didn't they focus on the Pacific, what is the problem with their eastern ports?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They're really far away

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They're really far away

        Kamchatka are also frozen for most of the time, Vladivostok less so, but still not a reliable warm water port by any mean. Ofc both of those ports are also too far away from Russian heartland.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        They tried. The Russians and Japs were fighting decades before the war. Russia wanted Korea and Japs politically schemed hard enough to clobber them out of the country.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Their conventional forces are not good compared to other major navies. However, it sets them up as at least having a major navy, which already puts them ahead of a lot of countries.

    Their nuclear subs are very good at their job: providing a mobile 2nd strike capability. They occasionally sink due to Russian moronation, but they make up for that with sheer numbers.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The Russian navy has only really existed for about 200 years, I would say their record is better than memes would imply but still very mixed. The Napoleonic wars kinda made them realize that they need an actual navy and they got to it but the effort put into it was very short lived so they fell behind significantly by the time of the Crimean war. Afterwards the navy fell into decline and was eventually revitalized by Nicholas II, the next big conflict was the disastrous war with Japan but that loss was ultimately more down to logistics (something which has plagued the Russian navy since forever, as it is essentially three entirely seperate navies in one) and the consequences were significant but it didn't really cripple the navy itself even in the short term. In WWI they actually performed pretty well, the Baltic was largely unusable due to the winter sensitive ports and all the mines in the area but they managed to secure control over the Baltic Sea under Kolchak. It's successor the Red Fleet only really had one major conflict throughout it's existence and their role in it has been fairly minimal, it was WW2 and even there the Navy got mostly pushed to the side immediately when the Germans invaded and people were needed on land instead. The heavy mining of the Baltics and the Black Sea combined with German aerial supremacy pretty much relegated the fleet to port defense. For the rest of the Cold War the navy's role was primarily a strategic one and it never really got the chance to shine or disappoint really.
    They're a land power, always have been, generally the navy doesn't perform much at all rather than perform badly I would say.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    well if i think of the russian navy i think of absolute failure
    >their only aircraft carrier
    >the state of their ships (leaked moskova report)
    >their covering up of accidents which made it a lot worse than it could have been (kursk)

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    now, now, lets not forget

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They absolutely demolished a fleet of Jap torpedo boats near the Dogger Bank, wiped them out without a trace

      For those not in the know, one of the most hilariously incompetent military endeavors of all time was done by the Russian navy. I genuinely pity Admiral Rozhestvensky for being forced to command the entire clown show.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Was it as bad as the Operation Cottage though?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It was worse.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Only one friendly fire incident
          >Didn't sink any neutral ships
          >No international incidents
          >Functional chain of logistics
          >Soldiers weren't high or drunk 90% of the time
          >Actually accomplished its goal despite the massive frickups
          Pathetic. Yet another example of Western decadence unable to match the great bear!

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They absolutely demolished a fleet of Jap torpedo boats near the Dogger Bank, wiped them out without a trace

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No it hasn’t. Also American defense procurement flex thread

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  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Navy often doesn't have to be good in combat, what matters is its deterence. Like in chess, you often have figures that just block enemy's maneuver and limit his options. Russian navy may not be great, but without it enemy would be much more bold. Imagine if Russia had no Black fleet at all, then Ukraine would probably do some real sick shit like landing troops in Crimea but they can't do that, despite how shit you percieve Russian navy to be. It is still there, still limiting its enemy capability and freedom of action.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Russia navy very stronk. best designs in world. western nazis do not understand.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes, theoretical wunderwaffe, the most powerful weapons in the world.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If IJN has upgraded Yamato to space battleship standards it would have won pacific war

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No. Beating up the crumbling Turkish empire padded Russia's military reputation on both land and sea.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian Navy

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      are the russians being attacked by japanese torpedo boats again?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yes

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think that ship is the ARA Belgrano sink during falklands

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Shit yeah, you may be right tbh
            I was rushing my bad

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    they're legendary mutineers

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    russian navy

  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Believe it or not, right now, it's the best it's ever been.

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
  25. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    No, which is ironic when you consider a lot of their "grand strategy" was historically aimed at acquiring a warm water port. I blame Peter visiting the Dutch and Brits.

  26. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It it one more step anon. Has Russia alone every been good at anything?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      they're pretty good at fricking up everything they do

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