Has anyone used the Lehigh Defender or Penetrator on an animal and not from a rifle?

Has anyone used the Lehigh Defender or Penetrator on an animal and not from a rifle? Surely someone has shot a wild hog or a coyote or something right? I just want to know if these things actually work in flesh, if they do work, do they work in flesh at handgun velocity, and if these things are ever actually worth considering.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    define
    >actually work

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not OP but; travel reliably to vitals, not overpen, create large permanent wound channel, penetrate barriers reliable and maintaining usable velocity and accuracy with full weight retention?
      Was thinking to buy some for my Uncle, admittedly somewhat for the meme/different factor.
      But is there any valid reason to use these over Federal HST2s, not in bbl >5"?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        dont shoot ur uncle

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, he's pretty cool for an ex-cop.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >travel reliably to vitals
        >not overpen
        >create large
        >penetrarte barriers
        >usable
        >full homosexual retention
        when i see questions like this i really have to wonder who the frick are these subhumans?
        how can someone be so self-unaware as to think that others magically know what kind of larp this moron is trying to achieve?

        these are the kinds of Black personhomosexuals you gatekeep, frick this thread, frick op

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >magically know what kind of larp this moron is trying to achieve?
          All of those questions are about the bullets themselves. If you actually know the bullet you could answer those questions easily. You lack the understanding of the underlying physics so you're trying to figure out a similar situation you can relate to--that's why you're confused trying to figure out what ""LARP"" op is attempting. Stop that, you're doing it wrong. Understand facts and apply them and then you don't need to try and guess whatever dumbass fantasy OP has.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            OP doesn't have a fantasy or LARP regarding these things. I was asking if these things actually work as advertised and if they are actually worth using over hollow points. If these things are so good, why aren't people using them for hunting other than a couple people using them in 45-70? Even if they theoretically work from a rifle or a handgun with a long barrel, do they work in a 32acp, a 380, or a 38 special, you know, the chamberings that actually would benefit from a non-expanding load that does extra damage. Regular hollow points work in 357 magnum or 10mm, but they don't always work in 380. . .

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >travel reliably to vitals,
        No they do not
        >not overpen
        1. Over penetration is not an issue
        2.they don't even meet minimum penetration
        >create large permanent wound channel
        No they do not, usually a worse wound channel than FMJ
        >penetrate barriers reliable and maintaining usable velocity
        No

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Source?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Trust me bro

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not overpen
        meme concern.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No idea but I like the 200 or 220gr 10mm hardcast black cherry rounds for innawoods stumbling around. No experience with the 9mm, but the 68gr .380 ACP extreme defender is cool for a pocket rocket.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also for a while (dont know if they still load them) the 90gr bullet was available in 380.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they can penetrate fat and tear up the insides with enough force to exit a 55 BMI fat frick

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I loaded up the meme rounds, but I honestly don't know how well they work. I'm hoping to get to test one on a deer or something this season, we'll see how it goes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      God damn that's spicy. Is there any good software out there for load data?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My wife has .380 Defenders in her ccw (P365-380) and a while back she used it to take out a bull that had tangled itself in some barbed wire.
    She said it dropped immediately but it was a headshot so any round probably would've done the job.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      barbed wire is barbaric, please put in high tensile electric fencing

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, the only people using shit like that are moronic minmaxxer LARPers who’ve never used their guns for anything besides chronograph readings and punching holes in paper.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's growing evidence suggesting they're actually pretty great if you can get them to go fast, which isn't terribly hard to do given their low weights.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's growing evidence suggesting they're actually pretty great if you can get them to go fast
        No there's not. That Viper report is BS.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See

          You'd literally have said the same shit about people carrying hollow-points, you absolute fricking Luddite mong.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            hollow points are better than FMJ in that they expand a little more and stop, but that doesn't mean they're significantly different. these bullets don't do anything significant except penetrate barriers a little better than hollow points, but good hollow points pass the FBI protocol meaning they're adequate in penetration through barriers, meaning there's no practical difference between these new rounds and good hollow points. pushing them faster isn't going to change that.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never used their guns for anything besides chronograph readings and punching holes in paper.
      got a real pipe hitter right here brother WHOORAW

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not really

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd literally have said the same shit about people carrying hollow-points, you absolute fricking Luddite mong.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never used their guns for anything besides chronograph readings and punching holes in paper.
      What the frick else do you use your handguns for? Do you shoot homeless people or something?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So are they supposed to drill into a target like a screwdriver bit or what? I don't get it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The high velocity loads for them leave larger than expected permanent wound cavities. I think the general idea is that the spaces of the flutes compress tissue until it can't be compressed any further, damaging tissue while that tissue then damages nearby tissue, but this has been observed in gel blocks without a bone simulant.
      I'd love to see ballistics testing done with the standard denim outer layer, 4" of gel, a bone simulant plate, 8-12" of gel, and a second plate.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The high velocity loads for them leave larger than expected permanent wound cavities.
        Source?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >drill into a target like a screwdriver bi
      No, the smaller frontal area is supposed to cause cavitation. It doesn't have to be "cross" shaped, it works with other shapes too. The fact the bullet is spinning doesn't matter and doesn't affect how they work.

      I've shot a couple hogs with them in 10mm, performance seemed about the same as hollow points. I've also loaded them in .454 and there they seem to work better than hollow points, probably because many fail at those kinds of velocities.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What do you like for 454 powder? Recently got into reloading for mine and so far have used enforcer and h110

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No, the smaller frontal area is supposed to cause cavitation.
        I doubt if the frontal area is much smaller, if any, than a normal FMJ.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul Harrell has done meat target testing on a few of the Lehigh rounds. Go to youtube, and search for Paul Harrell lehigh and they'll come up. You be the judge. There is also a fair amount of gel block testing/comparisons you can view. Again, you be the judge.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A friend of mine put a deer down that was hit by a car with one of those but a 22 would have worked just as well there

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They do poorly.
    Basically FMJ wound channel, but with poor penetration.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They penetrate more than FMJ you moron.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nta, but perhaps you're referring to extreme penetrator not extreme defense.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Let me clear this up.
          Op said XDs or XPs.

          That anon said
          >They do poorly. Less penetration than FMJ
          He didn't say "Just the XDs" or what have you, and I'd still want his source on that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think it's widely known that heavier bullets penetrate better, and penetration is more a function of weight than velocity. Given that XP are copper, they're less dense than lead and so FMJ bullets can weigh more in the same cartridge and thus penetrate deeper.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dunno specifically Lehigh's stuff, but in general the high penetration bulelts work damn well. Like any bullet you have to put them into places that damage vitals but if you do they will get to them.

    I killed a young adult black bear that ripping up my camp with Lost River's 148 grain hard cast 9mm out of a Glock 26. If you can sit through Boomer Spomer's rambling, this is AK guide extraordinaire Phil Shoemaker talking about killing a good size Brown with Buffalo Boar hard cast 9mm. He had time and place to light him up though, and got one round stuck under the far side hide and the rest into vitals.

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