Has anyone ever done a full analysis of this map?

Has anyone ever done a full analysis of this map?

I find it curious that it looks like it implies an Odessa landing was supposed to happen and link up with Transnistria

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Odessa and Transnistria link up
    Need it or keep it?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They linked up?

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was the original plan and Luka leaked it. Yeah, they were supposed to land at Odessa and link up with Transitstria. Moldova was supposed to be right after Ukraine.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >1st Cav destroyed in three days

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Odessa landing was supposed to happen
    I will never forgive Putin for denying us our dime store D-Day. It would have been a glorious shitshow, Dieppe on steroids.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      it wasn't putin who shitcanned it, it was marines who mutinied on approach to odesa after they realized ukrainians will resist

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it was marines who mutinied on approach to odesa after they realized ukrainians will resist
        Is this true?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately it's just a hearsay for now, but what is beyond doubt is that the landing ships were circling nearby odesa for a while and then noped the frick out (and, allegedly, asked ukies to not fire on them because they're pulling out)
          i'm afraid we'll have to wait for memoirs to confirm or disprove that for sure

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately it's just a hearsay for now, but what is beyond doubt is that the landing ships were circling nearby odesa for a while and then noped the frick out (and, allegedly, asked ukies to not fire on them because they're pulling out)
          i'm afraid we'll have to wait for memoirs to confirm or disprove that for sure

          Wait so the marines originally wanted to do the landing under the pretense they wouldn't actually have to fight.

          Did Putin expect to be welcomed into Ukraine like Hitler in Austria?

          lmfao

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, FSB had already planned on what apartments to rent for their agents after they took kiev

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. homosexual literally jumped in trucks and drove to Kiev ahead of the army.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >Yes. homosexual literally jumped in trucks and drove to Kiev ahead of the army.
              I remember this being reported at the time but I can't find much evidence for it.
              It's one of the key disprovers of the entire thing being a "feint", because the Russians were so confident of taking the capital they'd need police forces on hand to provide support.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                nvm, I found a lot of evidence just now.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                https://thedebrief.org/know-no-mercy-the-russian-cops-who-tried-to-storm-kyiv-by-themselves/
                one of the funniest stories

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                nvm, I found a lot of evidence just now.

                The funniest is that they were AHEAD of the military forces who were bogged down in fighting. Russians are so rigid they gave the order, and no one at any point questioned it or decided to alter plans. So you end up with a police convoy effectively trying to conquor Kiev solo.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They were at the rear of a larger army convoy, but somehow lost contact. And after hanging around in the middle of a hostile country for a while they decided to just drive to the center of Kiev, to link up with the convoy again, although that unit had never planned to go there. Ukie Police and civilians tracked the HOMOs on their way into Kiev, an ambush was organized and 20 seconds later it was all over

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                there is tons of evidence for it. i remember photographs of riot police uniforms strewn amongst dead russians and destroyed vehicles

                i can sort of understand it considering how pro-russian large segments were

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                large pro-russian segments had largely evaporated by 2014. Euromaidan happened because the Ukrainian population could no longer even tolerate a Russia-adjacent administration.

                even ignoring Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk doomed the success of Russian efforts in Ukraine as a whole in several ways: not only did it destroy any implication that Crimea was Russia's actual goal, it also provided a location apart from Russia that pro-Russian Ukrainians could leave to if they remained pro-Russian, and posed a literal threat to the regions in Ukraine with the highest recorded percentages of pro-Russian sentiment.

                by the time the invasion began, the question wasn't whether or not Ukrainians would accept the Russians as liberators (at least for anyone not moronic) - it was whether or not Russia would slaughter every Ukrainian civilian before Ukraine could halt their advance. i was personally leaning towards "Russia's not going to be able to do that", because i'd been paying attention to their performance in Syria and the buildup of Ukrainian defenses, but at the time i was still a bit shocked Russia was moronic enough to outright invade when their false flag shed bombing campaign accomplished less than a wet fart.

                honest to god, i didn't think they were that stupid. they sure have made me look silly.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                the first big interviews of POWs were russian cops who came in the first wave and got trounced. It was a whole big thing

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Did Putin expect to be welcomed into Ukraine like Hitler in Austria?

            They packed fricking parade uniforms in anticipation. I think that says a lot. They thought they would have a victory parade around Kyiv within a few days.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Did Putin expect to be welcomed into Ukraine like Hitler in Austria?
            More like in Czechoslovakia 1968, as in nobody would put up a fight. The soldiers had been decorated with St. George's orange-black vatnik ribbons, and even a parade tank decorated with same colors was discovered. They also sent OMON, Rosgvardia and SOBR units, fricking riot cops, in the first, and only, fricking wave to pacify the local population, clearly thinking it would be a cake walk. It was literally supposed to be just a quick special operation for them, and after it failed, they didn't even seem to have a plan B in place, and have been more or less improvising ever since. They have consistently fricked up everything for them, even things that are considered to be unfrickable. There's a reason why many countries neighboring Russia have their own special verb for this level of frickery.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like total.bullshit. we all know how much Russian command listens to it's subordinates.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          With ships is somewhat different since the commander is actually within physical violance distance

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Odessa landing would have been an even bigger slaughter than Hostomel. Can you imagine it? VDV flying in (some landing in the water and drowning) and maybe taking a bridgehead. Meanwhile counter attacks slaughter them to the last. Ships probably get hit with anti-ship missiles and everyone drowns. Helis shot down. 1000+ dead Russians.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Man if Ukraine controlled intel/ew and tricked Russia into going through with it they could have obliterated the majority of the professional forces and mopped up Wagner with extreme prejudice under ambiguity.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They managed to lose 2-3 large landing ships, a fricking missile cruiser and dozens of smaller craft to a country whose navy they stole in 2014.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I find it curious that it looks like it implies an Odessa landing was supposed to happen and link up with Transnistria
    I distinctly remember anons posting some deep lore about how the mayor of Odessa was a total schizo and ordered some goblin tunnels and other fortifications built. It was early on when russians made rapid gainz and it looked like ukraine might collapse entirely.
    It would've made sense if russia was successful and kept whatever gains they made, but they got their southern push stuck in mariupol/melitopol (can't remeber which one) for way too long and the tempo fizzled then turned into feints and gestures of good will

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I distinctly remember anons posting some deep lore about how the mayor of Odessa was a total schizo and ordered some goblin tunnels
      Odessa already has Goblin tunnels, it has since the Russian Empire

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I remember something about the mayor of Odessa being mafia adjacent? And he went balls out with defense preparations in the short run up to the war? Or am i the schizoposter now?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mafia adjacent
        More like mafia balls-deep.
        He got rich back in the day founding a 'security company'. He's been arrested since the war began over a shitload of missing public funds.
        A shit load of the cities residents get their money from criminal activity - they willingly elected this guy.

        >Odesa traditionally had an ancient culture of banditry, dating back to the large and impoverished israeli population. Famous writers such as Isaac Babel often wrote about the infamous exploits of israeli gangsters, thieves and crime lords in the port city.[8]
        >In the 1990s a powerful gang led by Alexander Angert, known as the Don of Odesa, Gennadiy Trukhanov, now the current mayor of Odesa, and Nickolay Fomichev established a large drug and arms trafficking scheme, after they made money in the oil industry.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly kinda badass. They're following the traditions of their forefathers.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >ordered some goblin tunnels and other fortifications built

      >I distinctly remember anons posting some deep lore about how the mayor of Odessa was a total schizo and ordered some goblin tunnels
      Odessa already has Goblin tunnels, it has since the Russian Empire

      Odessa has had extensive catacombs since before the Russian Empire, and maybe even before the Kievan Russ. He probably was ordering the tunnels to be set up to store provisions and give them access to a dozen places across the city, kinda like how the Japs used the lava tubes with minimal tunneling on their part to fortify the frick out of Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

      This may have been percieved as schizo because they're so extensive that to my knowledge they aren't well mapped out, and people have died from wandering in and getting lost, so they may have just said "frick it" and started digging proper access tunnels between mapped sections.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Alot of things were supposed to happen. Then everyone realized that Russia was actually a 4th world nation larping as a third world nation larping as a 1st world nation.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    RUSI confirms that the Odessa landing was meant to support the initial attack, but was called off when the Kyiv assault disintegrated. This corroborates HI Sutton's report of amphibs at sea around that time.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Lukashenko will purchase a colonelcy in the Russian army with his potato-plunder and launch a coup, Inshallah.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Belarussia

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes you genius, Belrus means White rus

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      unironically his intent in creating the union state when yeltsin was circling the drain

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Uncle Luka is hospitalized. 🙁

    https://twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1657433538143170562

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >my proof
      >a tweet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its unconfirmed, but supposedly he became ill after visiting Moscow for the Pride Parade.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      One can peel only so many potatoes before serious fatigue-related arm injury. May his dreams be filled with the largest, most succulent potatoes of happiness!

      Ya'll laugh, but if Russia HAD seized Ukraine and simultaneously took Moldova, the world would have cowered in fear.

      NATO would have arranged a full, take-no-prisoners counterattack to get rid of russians once and for all - nukes included.

      The power of the west would have made russians and brown and yellow people cower in fear.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ya'll laugh, but if Russia HAD seized Ukraine and simultaneously took Moldova, the world would have cowered in fear.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but if Russia HAD seized Ukraine

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >if this impossible thing happened then the world would be vastly different
      Okay

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Bait, but IF things had gone a bit differently, e.g. Russia would have had more reasonable goals and just concentrated on taking the areas east of the Dnipro river and then stopped, the war could have been over already. Even when Russia did scramble all over Ukraine, they still managed to take most of Luhansk and all of the south all the way to Crimea in couple of months. Once this would have become the status quo, Germans and French would probably have tried to push for a peace deal and and the US reactions could have been a bit different if larger hostilities had seized much earlier. That would have been a really shitty situation for then non-Nato countries like Finland, if Russia had also preserved most of its military in a short and victorious war like that.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That would have been a really shitty situation for then non-Nato countries like Finland
        realistically, success or failure, i don't see a way for the invasion in 2022 not to ultimately lead to Finland and Sweden entering NATO (watermelon sellers be damned). that has such a massive impact on Russia's border with NATO that even taking Ukraine with minimal military losses still stretches the Russian military to secure said new border, and the bilateral security agreements offered to Finland and Sweden during the process are something of a matter of course for US policy at least, to say nothing of the preexisting defense agreements within the EU.

        loss of the Baltic also cripples St. Petersburg

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >On this episode of Alternate History:
      >What if America had been discovered more gradually, giving them time to adapt to foreign diseases
      >What if China had never united into after the Spring and Autumn period
      >What if Russia had ever been anything other than a bunch of discount Mongols

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Seriously, what would have happened? Would Putin & CO have begun plans to invade the Baltic? What was their next big plan after Ukraine?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Ukraine had worked for them, likely Moldova next within weeks/months. Baltics then after that but that would be more dependent on finding/building an opportunity. None of it did work though but we have to make sure they can never try this shit again.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Seriously, what would have happened? Would Putin & CO have begun plans to invade the Baltic? What was their next big plan after Ukraine?

        They wouldn't invade a NATO country because there's actual consequences. They would have swept up all the non-NATO nations.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          they would invade nato land specially to see if it actually works. Starting with forcing meme "republics" in the russian colonized parts of the baltic nations like narva in estonia. If the answer would be soft, they would push on, if strong, lay off

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      If Ukraine had worked as planned, Russia would have immediately moved on to secure Transnistria while probably going full meme republic style conscription and propaganda on Ukrainian population. Depending on the NATO response they would have also taken Moldova using some bullshit excuse.

      Then if the NATO did not immediately move nukes in Baltic states or similar full-fledged respose they would have used ukrainians as cannon fodder to take over baltics, or alternatively Kazakhstan, Finland, or other nearby places.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >gin up BS with troonystria to invade Moldova
      >same things with Ossetia and Georgia
      >strongarm the stans
      >hope that all of this is causing NATO to magically fall apart instead of strengthening against a resurgent Russia and sweep up the Baltics

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russia capitulating Ukraine is going to be the greatest alternate history scenarios of our generation. I bet 15 years from now there'll be a popular show set in an alt-history where Russia uses the moment to reclaim the mantle of the Soviet Union.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >2014
      >first wave of Russians roll into Crimea and secure it
      >second wave rolls into Kiev
      >confused partisan resistance falls within a week
      >Russia has since engaged in COIN against US backed partisans
      >Russia sanctioned to hell and back
      >eventually has to leave Ukraine when Soviet Union 2.0 collapses and resistance is too much

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder if Russia would've benefitted from delaying the invasion a year. People were already calling the US warmongers for saying it would actually happen, so just call it off, let NATO bicker and weaken, then strike the following year when the boy who cried wolf effect is in full swing.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think their military was improving fast enough for that. Ukraine's military probably was improving at an exponential rate in comparison.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1657436056399011841?s=20

    https://twitter.com/PavelLatushka/status/1657449866254077953?s=20

    According to Belarusian opposition, President Lukashenko has been hospitalized today.
    He has not made a public appearance after victory day parade in Russia.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Probably bullshit, but I got to say he looked like shit at the parade already

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        He did have a bandage on his hand. Maybe a sign of drip-feed medication?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      russians killed him because they needed belarussian army and he refused them?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Naah. Any new Belarusian leader (Especially russian-planted one) would have an immediate uprising in their hands.
        That's the only good thing Luka has going for him: He still has the system under control (mostly).

        The moment he kicks the bucket, it's open revolution time.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Who's his heir anyway? Last I heard he was grooming his youngest son for the role.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Seems like his son would be heir-apparent.
            But that is very questionable. I have no idea how loyal the rest of the staff would be for the new guy, and the opposition would do everything in their power to use this opportunity to push Luka dynasty off the throne.

            We really don't need another Best Korea with hereditary dictatorship next to Europe.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Basically the one who Russia finds easiest to control, because there wont be heir for Luka unless Russia can afford to send HOMOs there to secure the heir.

            Alternatively, there is a whole goddamn belarusian government-in-exile inside Lithuania.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Naah. Any new Belarusian leader (Especially russian-planted one) would have an immediate uprising in their hands.

          I think Putin is just that desperate. Russian forces are stretched and near breaking point so injecting 20K Belarussians would seem like a good idea and he's willing to do anything for that. Rather than a suicide attack over the borders, it'd be them fighting in Bakhmut.

          You know, they could have avoided all this by not throwing units away like nothing or having proper medical care. But whatever.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Bullshit.
            Belarusian armed forced have very clearly said that they will not take part in Ukrainian war. Killing Luka and trying to install a pro-war dictator would just end up in military coup where Belarusian military junta would take over. They know that getting involved in the war would end extremely badly for them.

            Also, Belarusian military is not very large or strong. Their best armed/equipped troops are ministery of interior troops meant for quelling rebellions, not fighting active wars.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, yes, yes, that's all true and very rational. Putin is backed into a corner and panicking. His forces are collapsing and he needs to plug that hole. It doesn't matter if Belarusian troops aren't good and have no equipment, tens of thousands of fresh men to throw into the front lines to die buys Putin more time. He's not thinking about winning at this point, but instead just surviving another month. One month at a time as he sinks lower.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      translation to westerners: he is on a drinking binge after parade

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I just hope this """special operation"""" will end soon.
    I want to pay rubles for games in Steam.
    I want to use paypal and Upwork without fricking 3rd party Black persony to get my $$
    I want to get my Visas like in good old days
    I don't want to be in Donbass
    t. slav

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Were you happy when the war started? On the first days? Be honest

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No. I have too much empathy even for PrepHole. Like I hate this "disrespecting of dead" shit you see often posted around.
        But obviously there was and still is interest in "war machines" . Tanks, planes, helicopters footage you know...man things.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >1st Cav division
    what

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