Okay. Dumb question but I'll ask it for fun. Mostly because I want a new pistol.
Can any of these guns in the image, if scaled up, handle 45 ACP?
1. C96 - I know this pistol can the Chinese made copies in 45 to go with their Thompsons. We new reproductions were made of them.
2. Bergmann Bayard - I THINK this pistol was in the US trails in 1907 so.......I guess it was able to handle 45 ACP
3. 1905 Mannlicher
4. Steyr Hahn
5. Roth Krnka
Again, looking for a new(mostly like custom built) pistol. But got to know what can handle 45 ACP
C96 = Type 17 Shanxi from China in 45 ACP
The modern broomhandle loads are 1500fps, basically at tokarev levels and more KE than ww2 45 and they never exploded from it
I think they could handle the pressure.
I figure the the Broomhandle would handle the 45, but what about the rest is the question?
I’m probably changing the bolt stop on mine since I don’t trust it to withstand Tok levels of force
Never shot a Tokarev. Just my 1911 and 1917 S&W.
7.62mm Tokarev is NOT safe for C96 pistols, the 7.63mm Mauser cartridge is very similar to the Tokarev cartridge, but it's a LOT faster, and shooting Tokarev ammo in a Mauser is going to beat on the locking block until it breaks apart. You could replicate the Broomhandle for the 7.62mm Tokarev cartridge, there's nothing that stops the design from that, but none of the old Mauser pistols were built for that.
You could use 7.62mm cases and projectiles in a 7.63mm pistol, but the cases differ enough that I wouldn't expect flawless reliability.
This thing is 1500fps less than 200 away from its ppu Tok cartridge
Of course I don’t want to blow up my prized Mauser but modern Mauser ammo is basically 20th century tok ammo
Is it even safe to use PPU Mauser on my gun? I might replace the bolt even though the OG was undamaged because I fear breaking it
Can I feed my tok this Mauser ammo or is it going to choke? Cause Mauser ammo is priced pretty good
You could use 7.63mm Mauser ammunition in a Tokarev pistol, but performance may vary.
It's what the Tok was designed to shoot.
Tok ammo was just license made Mauser cartridges. Originally it was the lower pressure ammo. The higher pressure is a post war thing done after CIP acceptance.
Isn't modern commercial Tok ammo usually significantly weaker than surp ammo?
Cant find a qtddtot so ill do it here: pump or semi auto for shotguns? Magloaded or tube? First shotgun, I want to avoid feed issues but dont know how prevalent they are on either type.
>Can any of these guns in the image, if scaled up, handle 45 ACP?
Yes. It's all a matter of the dimensions to fit and feed the cartridge, and the barrel (chamber, specifically), and the breech staying securely closed, with the action cycling not battering anything.
The Chinese actually made clones of the C96 in .45 Auto a long time ago, because the .45 Auto was fairly popular in parts of Warlord Era and WW2 era China, while the C96 was a hundred times more popular than that, and some had the idea to combine the two. It's straight up the Broomhandle but with a larger magazine body to fit 10rds of .45, which you'd load with a pair of 5rd stripper clips, which I believe were adapted from 7.92x57mm Mauser clips.
The Steyr there I believe was either made, in very small numbers, in the now classic American .45 Auto cartridge, or in something very similar. There were also a pair of Luger pistols made in .45ACP submitted to the US Military trials which eventually resulted in the fabled 1911, and the Luger actually did pretty damn well, but DWM didn't feel like committing any further to trying to win US trials and sought other opportunities instead. John Browning's design would probably still have won out, as it ended up laying down a lot of significant "rules" for automatic pistols up to this very day, but the Luger would probably have ended up second place, it's an expensive gun, but it's actually quite good.
>looking for a new(mostly like custom built) pistol.
If you wanted something like a Luger in .45 Auto, I believe there's a guy who custom builds new ones from scratch, in calibers like 10mm Auto and .45 Auto, but they're supposed to be VERY expensive, as they're essentially all expertly craft made. You also had some custom rebuilds by an old gunsmith named John Martz, famed for cobbling together surplus Lugers and Walthers into all kinds of cool things in all manner of calibers, but they're collectible and expensive just as well.
I knew about the c96, I have one just got to get it cleaned/checked for safety.
I've never heard anything on the Steyr Hahan in 45 auto. You sure on that one?
And I have seen Lugermans pieces. They are pricey but at least they are made.
The John Martz pieces, first they are getting pricey. Second, I don't see they for sale that often. Third, I haven't heard good things on his custom Lugers. I haven't heard anything on his Walthers though. Wouldn't mind one of those too.
Don't know why I said Steyr, when it's a Roth-Krnka, and it was a prototype.
>handle 45 acp
My man, it's the most anemic cartridge in modern use. An uncooked penne pasta noodle could handle 45 acp
Chamber pressure =/= footpounds.
Chamber pressure is the thing that actually matters. A brown bess could produce almost 1500 ft lbs at the muzzle and yet was made with a complete lack of modern metallurgy
max pressure (according to SAAMI, anyway, CIP says 19000psi)
you're a fucking idiot. I am closing this thread and not opening it again. you're welcome for the wisdom
Zero guns have ever split their barrels because of the fucking ft-lbs of a cartridge, 90% of exploded guns are caused by bubba's pissin' hot handloads exceeding safe chamber pressure, and the other 10% are a variety of shit like squibs, unsupported cases(glock .40s&w used to do this), or rounds firing out of battery
Why even consider buying an old pistol to shoot it? Once you feel the fragility of it or get upset you added a new scratch, you're just going to store it and never shoot it again.
Just buy something new, reliable, and have fun beating the shit out of it.