Is the hamas trying to copy the Russian tactic of flooding all social media sites with anything that can be construed as a success in an attempt to confuse the narrative?
Yeah, you'll notice how the cope of "israel doomed cuz muh arab unity" is real quiet now that like 20% of hamas is dead and the rest are trying not to get literally fumigated
ah yes because its fucking Palestine that has had memes about an "internet defense force" for over a decade.
Never heard of JIDF you fucking shill? Of course the glowhomosexuals that shilled NAFO homosexualry are also israelite shills, what a shocker. now call me brown or a vatnik or some other glownagger slang
It always comes as a shock when a thirdie militia manages to eek out a win, no matter how minor, against a powerful foe. Apples n oranges compared to Russia flubbing o'er Ukraine
Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy. It would certainly look bad for Israel if their signature APS can be defeated by simple RPGs. It might be even worse if the IDF's conscripts were too uneducated to use it correctly.
>Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy
Such as not being able to intercept an RPG-7 warhead? They're probably talking about dead-zones, which this wasn't.
No, they addressed short range and supersonic shots. Captured papers were posted here the day of Hamas' attack.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah, short range. Dead zones. This wasn't one. They weren't close enough.
It was an average RPG-7 that got intercepted.
https://i.imgur.com/TcuNSIP.png
>misses >APS blows it up on the outbound
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Yeah, short range. Dead zones
No, not dead zones. You can drop the low-rent gaslighting and look it up for yourself instead of polluting the conversation to protect your tribe.
>Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy
and what if their just making bullshit up for the sake of making their soldiers feel good and make them think that their basic ass rpg 7 can actually do something against that system
like yeah there are some ways to defeat trophy by simply shooting from areas that arent covered by it or by firing incredibly slow or fast projectiles but that isnt always possible or is just impractical
also what does Hamas even fucking know about trophy?
they barely have any experience themself fighting against it and only now started really having to go against that system
>and what if their just making bullshit up for the sake of making their soldiers feel good
It sounds like it - engaging from close up is a easy way to improve hit probability even with untrained troops and the assumption that the APS doesn't try to engage tank rounds is not too far fetched.
Now you just need to get your hands on an ATGM that reaches the speeds of kinetic penetrators (~5000 fps) and you are all set.
The other thing to consider is how many ATGMs they've launched at these Trophy-equipped vehicles that haven't made it through. I read one Israeli newspaper article that mentioned "hundreds" of ATGMs having been fired but were not very effective. I have no idea if that's true or not.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>I read one Israeli newspaper article >I have no idea if that's true or not.
1 month ago
Anonymous
israelites would never lie for sales, or face, or getting one over on the goyim. I think we can trust them.
>also what does Hamas even fucking know about trophy?
Iran feeds them, probably from curious sources like the Turks (who are only allies of convenience), Russians, and Chinese
Is the hamas trying to copy the Russian tactic of flooding all social media sites with anything that can be construed as a success in an attempt to confuse the narrative?
[...]
Keep coping you subhuman shitskin. Propaganda posters surely will win this war!
...anons why does the JIDF sound so much like vatnik cope? is it because there's so much Russian diaspora in Israel?
i say this as someone who largely expects Israel's effort to genocide Gaza to acquire additional Mediterranean beachfront property will proceed unabated (in fact i'm surprised there's still anyone left in Gaza). this should be so trivially easy for them there should be no need for JIDF spin campaigns. what the fuck is taking so long? why are they still seething at the international community online?
>vehicle doesnt immediately explode into a million pieces >i-its not destroyed bro!
in their defense we're currently used to Russian "armored vehicles" that behave more like video game explosive barrels
I saw a video showing Hamas/PLA militants filling and assembling RPG-7 warheads. Would those be as effective as the standard Soviet/Russian produced ones? I assume that Iran/Russia has given them all the details to locally produce their own explosive or propellant.
Most of their stuff is definitely homemade, there's no way Iran is capable of smuggling large numbers of any kind of armament into Gaza. Iran probably provided them with a lot of technical expertise though.
>there's no way Iran is capable of smuggling large numbers of any kind of armament into Gaza
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There are tunnels under Rafah border with Egypt, where Israel exerts significantly less control.
Al Sisi’s government is corrupt and incompetent, so they pay border guards to look the other way when they use these tunnels to transport fuel and weapons through their network.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Al Sisi’s government is corrupt and incompetent,
But also anti Hamas. He cut ties with them when he came to power and reduced the flow of weapons coming to Gaza through Egypt.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Initially he did, but Egypt’s government has lots of problems and smuggling is still pretty common. There are many elements of Muslim Brotherhood that still exist in Egypt and they operate with some autonomy in the Sinai.
IDF now claims 16 of their army men have been killed. Nine in the Namer, two separately in the same brigade from an RPG. Two soldiers in a tank that got 'sploded from an IED. One by mortar fire. Then two earlier on at the start of the invasion. I think this is accurate.
They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days. I think this is probably exaggerated. You always talk up the number of bad guys you're killing. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have "tens of thousands" of fighters.
israelites would never lie for sales, or face, or getting one over on the goyim. I think we can trust them.
>I read one Israeli newspaper article >I have no idea if that's true or not.
Jerusalem Post citing IDF. "Hamas has fired hundreds of anti-tank missiles at IDF forces, mostly without success."
>They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days.
Yeah, that's obviously nonsense lol. There were only, what, 7000 ISIS guys getting bombed to smithereens daily in Mosul and that still took 9 months. And ISIS didn't have tunnels.
I imagine the upward estimates on their strength is more hypothetical. It also doesn't mean everyone shows up.
One interesting thing is that the livemap will mark the locations of where Israeli vehicles have been spotted, but then this Hamas video of the RPG attack came out, and that's closer to Gaza city than any previous marker on the western side. So they did score some hits, but it's also contradictory evidence because they've already broken through in other areas for that to happen where it did.
Well, we know that at least several hundred Hamas fighters were killed at the start of the war when the IDF pushed them back into Gaza.
Not to mention, Gaza is in a constrained space that basically surrounded by Israeli airbases, so they generally have more accurate intel and faster response time, translating in higher sortie rates than the US having to fly planes all the way from Baghdad to Mosul. The IDF have also been dropping heavy enough ordnance that a lot of said tunnels have probably collapsed, restricting Hamas' movements even more.
I hadn't thought about sortie rates. The tunnel the Israelis attacked in the refugee camp also looked horrific. Looked like they dropped something very big and then the ground collapsed and took buildings with it into a sinkhole of secondary explosions.
1 month ago
Anonymous
where did you find photos of the tunnels? Please share.
The 1500 dead is confirmed on ID's of retrieved bodies.
The Israelis dropped thousands of bombs and artillery shells at this point. A few thousand Hamas casualties in the strip is quite believable, though I'm not surprised Israel wouldn't know exactly how many.
I mean, I can believe they piled up 1500 bodies, but how many were just random civilians or non-combatant Hamas members from their civil service or political bureau? I remember Israel made a big deal about killing some old woman on their political council, I doubt that affected Hamas' combat abilities.
>They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days.
Hamas claimed that 3000 palestinians were killed in the first few days after 07 Oct. Israel didn't say shit about it, other than to repeat what Hamas claimed. You lying nagger.
The only thing I can trust the IDF on is the number of their own dead and whenever they kill a senior enemy figure. They can't hide their own dead from the Israeli public and they'll be too stupid to claim someone's dead if they can so easily reappear the next day
Seem like opium. First one hit from the looks of it and the puff seems like a regular shape charge explosion. may be a hit to the cope cage ?
also it would kinda retard to blast outgoing fire you end up shooting your teams own stuff too.
>First one hit from the looks of it
The second shot was a Trophy activation.
If it activated the second time, it was definitely on the first time.
Trophy shots in action look exactly like the explosions seen in the vid.
Could have been a hit since there have been losses reported
https://i.imgur.com/Saim3WP.jpg
I saw a video showing Hamas/PLA militants filling and assembling RPG-7 warheads. Would those be as effective as the standard Soviet/Russian produced ones? I assume that Iran/Russia has given them all the details to locally produce their own explosive or propellant.
Those just have to be shit. Sure physics is physics and Iran can teach them for sure but come on
Yeah, you'll notice how the cope of "israel doomed cuz muh arab unity" is real quiet now that like 20% of hamas is dead and the rest are trying not to get literally fumigated
its mostly "Israel is so strong, best army in the world ! they have girls and funny hats too!! and iron XYZ" spam now days with videos fresh from the press team.
because somehow people are surprised that a real army with tanks and planes can just bomb a city to ashes with little resistance. Like, did they think gaza is a real country with a real standing army or what ?
that's a hit on the roof. you can see all of the metal frag (the orange glow). you will only see that with spall. which is what you'd expect at this range, as the PG-7VR has shitty ballistics.
as unwieldy as it is, the RPG-29 is better in this regard due to the better booster on the rocket (they have the same warhead).
Emperor Battle for Dune had Ordos Saboteurs who flied over enemy structures and then jumped into a parachute, except they were just suicide bombers...
Well, that sounds about right.
We have Generals Evolution, sadly the guy in charge just happened to live in Mariupol and had to flee.
EA's effectively abandoned the IP and lets moders do whatever they want since it would be a waste of money to send out C&D and deal with the bad press for an IP you have no intention of supporting.
You'd have to have fans remake it and get EA's blessing to have it be a full release like we got with Tiberium Dawn and Red Alert remasters.
Propaganda or not, israelites will keep dying, better to keep their distance and keep bombing hospitals, that's what they're good for, hoping hezbollah will declare war tomorrow so we can see some diaper kino from israel.
Lmao. How can you subhuman filth say shit like that when hamas is getting owned for past few weeks and the only thing they can do is destroy single vehicle in ambush without confiming if soldiers died inside. Ina few days there will be new video of ambus but you subhuman shitskins will forget to mention that israel glassed another 100 hundred hamas and palestinians. And if you want to accuse me of being zog shill or something then fuck off. The only solution to this conflict for me is to carpet bomb middle east with atom to delete arabs and israelites
>when hamas is getting owned for past few weeks
How? The only sources we have to tally Hamas losses are >Israel
who gains from raising them >Hamas
who gains from denying them and neither are known for total honesty
The only people coping appear to be /misc/estinians desperate for a win as Gaza gets glassed.
>Yeah, short range. Dead zones
No, not dead zones. You can drop the low-rent gaslighting and look it up for yourself instead of polluting the conversation to protect your tribe.
>ESL turdie too dumb to understand what a dead zone is
Color me nonplussed.
I saw a video showing Hamas/PLA militants filling and assembling RPG-7 warheads. Would those be as effective as the standard Soviet/Russian produced ones? I assume that Iran/Russia has given them all the details to locally produce their own explosive or propellant.
i dont think theyre given shit this is a bootleg copy that probably doesnt work like 20% of hamas rockets fail and fall in gaza and even after 2 decades of rocket production they cant manage to improve quality because israel keeps killing the experienced rocket makers
>This homemade rpg pack quite some punch >sprinter
why do eslnigs love this shitty propaganda twitter so much? a normal person would just post the video
>not cooking it on the pizza
Completely fucking ruined.
The flavor from the toppings bleeds into the pizza as you cook it.
The man responsible for this should be shot.
they haven't fought urban combat in a long time. they'll adapt.
i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
>You don't get why it's politically impossible for the IDF to just carpet bomb Gaza City?
no, i don't. tf is anyone going to do about? i dont want the idf to waste soldiers lives over fighting in urban combat. >"You can't carpet bomb Gaza! You have to go building by building, and risk your men to IEDs, mines, booby traps, drones, ATGMs, etc!"
the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there. why cant the idf do it when gaza is mostly vacant after a month long siege.
>the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there.
I think the idea was to basically target the labor force and paralyze the military production processes of Germany. Or target factories at least in theory but when you're flying 3,000 bombers over a city and telling them to dump everything, then you're also blowing up everything.
1 month ago
Anonymous
so why is it politically impossible for the idf to do it to gaza?
1 month ago
Anonymous
The Americans and Brits in the 1940s were fighting a world war without the benefit of smart bombs.
The IDF is beating up prisoners in a walled ghetto.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Very different cultural attitudes back in the '40s, when states still accepted the idea of "total war" doctrine where every level of a nation is focused on supporting a war.
Not to mention, smart weapons didn't exist, so if you were going to be targeting entire industrial districts that were the size of small cities themselves, you'd need a LOT of bombs to take it out.
It was until Vietnam that attitudes towards mass carpet bombing started to turn, which coincided with the rise of antiwar movements and the development of cost effective smart bombs.
1 month ago
Anonymous
idf already communicated that this is a fight for the Israel's survival. the overwhelming majority of Israelis want Gaza to turn into Sodom and Gomorrah. the Americans would send the idf an angry smiley emoji but forget about it in 2 mobths. the other middle eastern countries will send another last final ultimate red line OR ELSE warning.
again not seeing the political issue here.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Israel may very well only have one more generation of net-support from the general public in Western nations; Hamas+Al Jazeera are absolutely winning the hearts and minds of westerners. Eventually these anti-Israeli westerners will assume more positions of power in government and finance than the older pro-Israel generations, and Israel will find herself isolated from these people. Israel does need to peacefully resolve at least the West Bank occupation within a generation or so, or find herself being totally perceived as another pariah nation to the West akin to Iran and communist China.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Gaza may very well only have 15 more minutes of net-support from the general public in Western nations before compassion fatigue and mistrust set in; Hamas+Al Jazeera are absolutely blackpilling the hearts and minds of westerners, who already mistrust terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists, and especially large media. Eventually these anti-Israeli westerners will assume inconsequential positions of insignificance in their parents' basements and Israel will find herself continuing to not give a fuck about terminally online /misc/turds. Israel does need to peacefully resolve a goddamn thing anymore, for the same reason nobody gives a shit about Uyghurs, Tibet, Myanmar, Sudan, Turkey exterminating Kurds or the genocide of 2 million Armenians or the more recent displacement of 50k from Nagorno-Karabakh by Azeris because most people who support these causes are doing so to demonstrate in-group value signalling among socially-conscious leftists with 0 societal or political influence rather than induce any real social or governmental change. That's why there's a lot of people shouting in the streets but not doing much else - all bark and no bite
1 month ago
Anonymous
No , it was moral bombing. Specifically targeting civilians.
They obviously also targeted factories, but the moral bombing was it´s own thing.
Also we germans started it with Coventry so all is good now.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Dresden actually was a terror bombing; it was a cultural site with very little war industry. I mean fuck the Nazis but that was prob a mistake on our part.
Fun fact: Dresden was rebuilt using historic techniques and as much of the original building material as possible. If you visit today, and you should, you'll see that roughly 20% of the blocks still have char from the bombing/firestorm. Additionally, the firestorm, not the bombs themselves, did the most damage. Many buildings collapsed days after the bombing from thermal expansion/contraction caused by the massive fires.
>the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there
No-one sane thinks Dresden was necessary or justified. >gaza is mostly vacant
Estimates are there are still several hundred thousand people there.
1 month ago
Anonymous
The Americans and Brits in the 1940s were fighting a world war without the benefit of smart bombs.
The IDF is beating up prisoners in a walled ghetto.
they haven't fought urban combat in a long time. they'll adapt.
i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
looks like i have to repeat myself for the both of you.
they haven't fought urban combat in a long time. they'll adapt.
i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
1 month ago
Anonymous
>b4 >u >u're
Please read the PrepHole site rules before posting, thank you.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Evacuate where?
Oxfam are already calling it the greatest humanitarian crisis they have ever seen.
Also at the point you have levelled an entire city, how does this help at all in freeing the hostages from the underground tunnel network? You think the city is the hard bit and the tunnels are the easy bit?
Your whole statement just reeks of kid.
1 month ago
Anonymous
rafah border crossing. if u have to choose between dying to dehydration/risk getting run over by a mob or dying to egyptian tank fire u'd definitely choose the latter.
>Also at the point you have levelled an entire city, how does this help at all in freeing the hostages from the underground tunnel network? You think the city is the hard bit and the tunnels are the easy bit?
it helps because now u dont have a city full of militants and civvies between u and the tunnels.
1 month ago
Anonymous
or risk* dying to egyptian tank fire u'd definitely choose the latter.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Then you have a city full of militants in the tunnels and a mountain of dead civvies and rubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances, whilst the world turns against you and disease spreads everywhere.
Post birth certificate please.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Then you have a city full of militants in the tunnels
carpet bombing gaza will not affect this >and a mountain of dead civvies
intl' pressure wont just increase on israel, but also egypt and eventually the great powers to find a solution. it will be a stare down to who will crack first but i think tanking ur intl' stature is still better than losing soldiers.
>rubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances
i think the rubble dealing with better than having to deal with a city, because i think the idf has some intelligence on the tunnels. they captured 07/10 terrorists and as the pressure mounts someones going to squeal.
1 month ago
Anonymous
i think having to deal with rubble is better than having to deal with a city*
1 month ago
Anonymous
How stoned are you? Your literacy and rationality deteriorates with every post.
1 month ago
Anonymous
i havent slept well and have been consuming news almost non stop for the past few weeks.
pls address my arguments now.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>ubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances
Bunker buster make their own (temporary) entrances.
>the end days of WWII Germany are > E X A C T L Y >comparable to the gaza shithole filled with terrorists in 2023 >the context is > I D E N T I C A L
You really are too fucking stupid to be on the Internet. Fuck off.
>i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
Diplomatic front. Keep in mind that Europe was very much anti-Israel until the Hamas raids. Even the Biden admin can only support Israel for so long before their soft spots kick in at the sight of crying little girls and dead babies in Palestinian hospitals
>Hundreds of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment >Insignificant >like 50 soldiers and 5 armored vehicles get destroyed by hamas >le turning point of ze war
honestly how retarded are you people?
>Hundreds of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment
This is the kind of mental gymnastics needed to pretend shitshows like Vietnam were a success
NVA was battered and buck broken by the time they accepted the Paris Accords.
It was the unpopularity of the war and the turmoil caused by Watergate that made them break the peace treaty and take over the South.
i dont see your point
of course there are people going to cry during war
theres vids from people in Palestine crying too but thats no indicator on how the war is going
The Namer loss is only what they're admitting to. Given the Knesset reaction, the actual numbers are probably a lot higher. I still expect they'll win this but they'll take another 2006-style black eye
[...] >crying Israeli politicians
That's fake. You can really just say anything on Twitter now and millions will read and automatically believe it.
You may find this hard to understand to understand after getting kicked out of 109 countries without any self-reflection, but it helps with credibility to not blatantly and shamelessly lie. Someone already posted the video in this thread.
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You may find this hard to understand to understand after getting kicked out of 109 countries without any self-reflection, but it helps with credibility to not blatantly and shamelessly lie.
Do you learn all your history on Facebook?
>The Namer loss is only what they're admitting to.
Nobody admitted the loss of a Namer anywhere. It may have been penetrated but is likely salvageable. It's not like a shaped charge will completely ruin a 60-ton APC. >Given the Knesset reaction
There hasn't been a Knesset reaction. They were crying over being shown videos of the Hamas massacre.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/mks-are-shown-raw-videos-of-hamas-atrocities-some-leave-in-tears/
I love how the horizons of Palishit discourse has been reduced to "Well, I saw some Israel politicians crying" while Gaza gets reduced to rubble.
not him, but it was reported that a namer got wiped by a kornet, killing 7 of 9. though, i have no idea how they'd know what hit it unless they recovered bits of the missile. it very well could have just been a PG-7VR attack, as that's still a 105mm warhead.
of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment
Emphasis on "probably". We have no way of knowing for certain. All we can do is calculate a minimum on personnel losses from Hamas announcements
Propaganda or not, israelites will keep dying, better to keep their distance and keep bombing hospitals, that's what they're good for, hoping hezbollah will declare war tomorrow so we can see some diaper kino from israel.
Are we back to IDF weak, Allahu Akbar already? It seems like just yesterday Hamas was so weak and helpless that the Israelis were practically bullying them.
cool, I forgot how kino the sandbox is
also nice that there isn't techno music playing in the background, forget gaza hospitals and israeli children incessant use of phonk, that is a true warcrime
>you are a real country. >you have no functioning government >no navy or air force >no secular post-secondary educational institutions or free media >but that doesn't matter. >You are a valid, strong independent country who is trying to feel comfortable in her borders. >All the “validation” you get from Russia and China is pure. >Behind your back people love you. >Iran and Lebanon are happy and proud of you, your friends laugh at your nasheeds behind closed doors, and the boys in Dagestan love you, and the other Islamic revanchist regimes envy you. >Muslims absolutely love you. Palestine folk who “pass” look ordinary and natural to an Arab. Your lack of an economy does not matter. >Eventually, it’ll be perfect for you - you’ll come out, start warcriming, get border surgery, and finally be your ideal self. >Iran and Lebanon will find you, happy and relieved that they finally have a happy daughter. >They’ll congratulate you on your hard journey, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a real country is what you are.
Why don’t the Israelis just make everything insanely heavily armoured? It’s not as if they need to worry about weight as any fight they’ll be involved in will be close to home…
Why am I to assume it's ~~*Hamas*~~? Netanyahu admitted to helping fund them back in 2009. The pretext for current operations by Israel lies in any attacks by Hamas so they can label Palestinians as terrorists.
The absolute state of the IDF, how the fuck do you let some dude sneak up on your tank and set up an explosive charge like a Battlefield game?: https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1720147812309209217?t=5zDSqiF25kDekC-THFuovg&s=35
yea ive seen it
no idf casualties from these rpg 7 doesnt do much, they only manage to damage the tanks with kornets and mines
>no idf casualties from these rpg 7
How do you know? You're a lying shill calm down
Is the hamas trying to copy the Russian tactic of flooding all social media sites with anything that can be construed as a success in an attempt to confuse the narrative?
You're unhinged turn your pc off
Yeah, you'll notice how the cope of "israel doomed cuz muh arab unity" is real quiet now that like 20% of hamas is dead and the rest are trying not to get literally fumigated
ah yes because its fucking Palestine that has had memes about an "internet defense force" for over a decade.
Never heard of JIDF you fucking shill? Of course the glowhomosexuals that shilled NAFO homosexualry are also israelite shills, what a shocker. now call me brown or a vatnik or some other glownagger slang
It always comes as a shock when a thirdie militia manages to eek out a win, no matter how minor, against a powerful foe. Apples n oranges compared to Russia flubbing o'er Ukraine
This is the same guy that's in the thread about an ATGM destroying a Namer, calling any ATGM an RPG7
It's a Namer. It's more than likely packing Trophy.
Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy. It would certainly look bad for Israel if their signature APS can be defeated by simple RPGs. It might be even worse if the IDF's conscripts were too uneducated to use it correctly.
>Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy
Such as not being able to intercept an RPG-7 warhead? They're probably talking about dead-zones, which this wasn't.
No, they addressed short range and supersonic shots. Captured papers were posted here the day of Hamas' attack.
Yeah, short range. Dead zones. This wasn't one. They weren't close enough.
It was an average RPG-7 that got intercepted.
>Yeah, short range. Dead zones
No, not dead zones. You can drop the low-rent gaslighting and look it up for yourself instead of polluting the conversation to protect your tribe.
>Hamas briefing papers talk about vulnerabilities in Trophy
and what if their just making bullshit up for the sake of making their soldiers feel good and make them think that their basic ass rpg 7 can actually do something against that system
like yeah there are some ways to defeat trophy by simply shooting from areas that arent covered by it or by firing incredibly slow or fast projectiles but that isnt always possible or is just impractical
also what does Hamas even fucking know about trophy?
they barely have any experience themself fighting against it and only now started really having to go against that system
>and what if their just making bullshit up for the sake of making their soldiers feel good
It sounds like it - engaging from close up is a easy way to improve hit probability even with untrained troops and the assumption that the APS doesn't try to engage tank rounds is not too far fetched.
Now you just need to get your hands on an ATGM that reaches the speeds of kinetic penetrators (~5000 fps) and you are all set.
The other thing to consider is how many ATGMs they've launched at these Trophy-equipped vehicles that haven't made it through. I read one Israeli newspaper article that mentioned "hundreds" of ATGMs having been fired but were not very effective. I have no idea if that's true or not.
>I read one Israeli newspaper article
>I have no idea if that's true or not.
israelites would never lie for sales, or face, or getting one over on the goyim. I think we can trust them.
>also what does Hamas even fucking know about trophy?
Iran feeds them, probably from curious sources like the Turks (who are only allies of convenience), Russians, and Chinese
Shalom
>yea ive seen it
why are you trying so hard to dismiss this lol
...anons why does the JIDF sound so much like vatnik cope? is it because there's so much Russian diaspora in Israel?
i say this as someone who largely expects Israel's effort to genocide Gaza to acquire additional Mediterranean beachfront property will proceed unabated (in fact i'm surprised there's still anyone left in Gaza). this should be so trivially easy for them there should be no need for JIDF spin campaigns. what the fuck is taking so long? why are they still seething at the international community online?
in their defense we're currently used to Russian "armored vehicles" that behave more like video game explosive barrels
>no idf casualties
nope
9 KIA in the Namer
This is just 2 flavours of sand naggers getting rekt. No point taking sides.
t. White man.
11 dead, but from an ATGM
PG-7VR isn't guided or a missile
>no IDF casualty
That's a whole tracked truck put out o business. Probably hurt the Big J's purse pinching that pretty penny
>Homemade
It's a PG-7VR.
Likely homemade
If you think they make these indigenously then I have a bridge to sell.
those have like, a 20-30% malfunction rate.
It's not homemade. It's made up Iran. Hamas also has Russian Kornet ATGMs provided by Iran.
Most of their stuff is definitely homemade, there's no way Iran is capable of smuggling large numbers of any kind of armament into Gaza. Iran probably provided them with a lot of technical expertise though.
>there's no way Iran is capable of smuggling large numbers of any kind of armament into Gaza
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Would you like to tell us how they do it, then?
There are tunnels under Rafah border with Egypt, where Israel exerts significantly less control.
Al Sisi’s government is corrupt and incompetent, so they pay border guards to look the other way when they use these tunnels to transport fuel and weapons through their network.
>Al Sisi’s government is corrupt and incompetent,
But also anti Hamas. He cut ties with them when he came to power and reduced the flow of weapons coming to Gaza through Egypt.
Initially he did, but Egypt’s government has lots of problems and smuggling is still pretty common. There are many elements of Muslim Brotherhood that still exist in Egypt and they operate with some autonomy in the Sinai.
>can't destroy a lightly armored APC
>"packs some punch"
the missile was intercepted in both cases , but did external/sensor damage
Proofs?
>vehicle doesnt immediately explode into a million pieces
>i-its not destroyed bro!
Is this where the ~10 Israelis were killed?
nope
that was kornet
givati force ran into ambush after ambush killing 60 hamas and in the last one the namer ran out of ammo
Found the israeli shill spreading Facebook-tier propaganda
What is it with people like you projecting so hard and having not a single braincell to even comprehend that they're projecting?
It was reported that the Namer was ambushed right as it was carrying troops across the border into Gaza, I highly doubt your story is true.
11 now. Maybe. Hard to identify the vehicle in the footage but the KIA were all in the same Namer APC.
IDF now claims 16 of their army men have been killed. Nine in the Namer, two separately in the same brigade from an RPG. Two soldiers in a tank that got 'sploded from an IED. One by mortar fire. Then two earlier on at the start of the invasion. I think this is accurate.
They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days. I think this is probably exaggerated. You always talk up the number of bad guys you're killing. Hamas and Islamic Jihad have "tens of thousands" of fighters.
Jerusalem Post citing IDF. "Hamas has fired hundreds of anti-tank missiles at IDF forces, mostly without success."
>They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days.
Yeah, that's obviously nonsense lol. There were only, what, 7000 ISIS guys getting bombed to smithereens daily in Mosul and that still took 9 months. And ISIS didn't have tunnels.
I imagine the upward estimates on their strength is more hypothetical. It also doesn't mean everyone shows up.
One interesting thing is that the livemap will mark the locations of where Israeli vehicles have been spotted, but then this Hamas video of the RPG attack came out, and that's closer to Gaza city than any previous marker on the western side. So they did score some hits, but it's also contradictory evidence because they've already broken through in other areas for that to happen where it did.
Well, we know that at least several hundred Hamas fighters were killed at the start of the war when the IDF pushed them back into Gaza.
Not to mention, Gaza is in a constrained space that basically surrounded by Israeli airbases, so they generally have more accurate intel and faster response time, translating in higher sortie rates than the US having to fly planes all the way from Baghdad to Mosul. The IDF have also been dropping heavy enough ordnance that a lot of said tunnels have probably collapsed, restricting Hamas' movements even more.
I hadn't thought about sortie rates. The tunnel the Israelis attacked in the refugee camp also looked horrific. Looked like they dropped something very big and then the ground collapsed and took buildings with it into a sinkhole of secondary explosions.
where did you find photos of the tunnels? Please share.
>Jerusalem Post citing IDF. "Hamas has fired hundreds of anti-tank missiles at IDF forces, mostly without success."
yeah that's pretty ambiguous, "mostly without success" doesn't mean much if you have hundred of them thrown at you that's still a lot of fucking hits.
The 1500 dead is confirmed on ID's of retrieved bodies.
The Israelis dropped thousands of bombs and artillery shells at this point. A few thousand Hamas casualties in the strip is quite believable, though I'm not surprised Israel wouldn't know exactly how many.
I mean, I can believe they piled up 1500 bodies, but how many were just random civilians or non-combatant Hamas members from their civil service or political bureau? I remember Israel made a big deal about killing some old woman on their political council, I doubt that affected Hamas' combat abilities.
The 1500 were the ones that were killed on the 7. and 8. inside Israel iirc
Oh yeah, that makes sense then.
>They claim they've killed "thousands" of Hamas and around 1,500 during the first few days.
Hamas claimed that 3000 palestinians were killed in the first few days after 07 Oct. Israel didn't say shit about it, other than to repeat what Hamas claimed. You lying nagger.
The only thing I can trust the IDF on is the number of their own dead and whenever they kill a senior enemy figure. They can't hide their own dead from the Israeli public and they'll be too stupid to claim someone's dead if they can so easily reappear the next day
Tunnel respawns in Rising Storm: Gaza
Here's the WEBM
>misses
>APS blows it up on the outbound
Seem like opium. First one hit from the looks of it and the puff seems like a regular shape charge explosion. may be a hit to the cope cage ?
also it would kinda retard to blast outgoing fire you end up shooting your teams own stuff too.
cope cage fine
>First one hit from the looks of it
The second shot was a Trophy activation.
If it activated the second time, it was definitely on the first time.
Trophy shots in action look exactly like the explosions seen in the vid.
>
Could have been a hit since there have been losses reported
Those just have to be shit. Sure physics is physics and Iran can teach them for sure but come on
its mostly "Israel is so strong, best army in the world ! they have girls and funny hats too!! and iron XYZ" spam now days with videos fresh from the press team.
because somehow people are surprised that a real army with tanks and planes can just bomb a city to ashes with little resistance. Like, did they think gaza is a real country with a real standing army or what ?
The blown up Namer was with a ATGM not RPG.
it's a puma
no APS, it's just a miss
that's a hit on the roof. you can see all of the metal frag (the orange glow). you will only see that with spall. which is what you'd expect at this range, as the PG-7VR has shitty ballistics.
as unwieldy as it is, the RPG-29 is better in this regard due to the better booster on the rocket (they have the same warhead).
>unmarked fighters in civilian clothes
The best way to ensure everyone around you is being killed as everyone can be the enemy. And rightfully so.
Are they issued adidas tracksuits?
>The tunnels will protect us!
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kino
Surprised we don't have a Generals + Zero Hour remaster yet
>GLA paragliders
Emperor Battle for Dune had Ordos Saboteurs who flied over enemy structures and then jumped into a parachute, except they were just suicide bombers...
Well, that sounds about right.
We have Generals Evolution, sadly the guy in charge just happened to live in Mariupol and had to flee.
Still, SEXO:
EA's effectively abandoned the IP and lets moders do whatever they want since it would be a waste of money to send out C&D and deal with the bad press for an IP you have no intention of supporting.
You'd have to have fans remake it and get EA's blessing to have it be a full release like we got with Tiberium Dawn and Red Alert remasters.
That is what they're designed to do
the mad lads actually did the meme assaults like they showed in the video lamo
Keep coping you subhuman shitskin. Propaganda posters surely will win this war!
Propaganda or not, israelites will keep dying, better to keep their distance and keep bombing hospitals, that's what they're good for, hoping hezbollah will declare war tomorrow so we can see some diaper kino from israel.
Lmao. How can you subhuman filth say shit like that when hamas is getting owned for past few weeks and the only thing they can do is destroy single vehicle in ambush without confiming if soldiers died inside. Ina few days there will be new video of ambus but you subhuman shitskins will forget to mention that israel glassed another 100 hundred hamas and palestinians. And if you want to accuse me of being zog shill or something then fuck off. The only solution to this conflict for me is to carpet bomb middle east with atom to delete arabs and israelites
>when hamas is getting owned for past few weeks
How? The only sources we have to tally Hamas losses are
>Israel
who gains from raising them
>Hamas
who gains from denying them and neither are known for total honesty
The only people coping appear to be /misc/estinians desperate for a win as Gaza gets glassed.
>ESL turdie too dumb to understand what a dead zone is
Color me nonplussed.
>Hamas
>democratically elected
pick one
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
Semi-related, but anyone else notice Twitter, especially the replies, getting astronomically worse since this war started?
Worse in what way?
Absolutely
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I saw a video showing Hamas/PLA militants filling and assembling RPG-7 warheads. Would those be as effective as the standard Soviet/Russian produced ones? I assume that Iran/Russia has given them all the details to locally produce their own explosive or propellant.
i dont think theyre given shit this is a bootleg copy that probably doesnt work like 20% of hamas rockets fail and fall in gaza and even after 2 decades of rocket production they cant manage to improve quality because israel keeps killing the experienced rocket makers
>This homemade rpg pack quite some punch
>sprinter
why do eslnigs love this shitty propaganda twitter so much? a normal person would just post the video
>how much pepperoni and heart attack do you want?
>yes
Holy fuck I want that
I'm American and even I wouldn't eat that.
Ok, ONE of those trays of pepperoni and it may be good, but the second one just turns it into a fucking pile.
>not cooking it on the pizza
Completely fucking ruined.
The flavor from the toppings bleeds into the pizza as you cook it.
The man responsible for this should be shot.
To be fair if you cooked this much salami on the pizza the grease would run down into the dough and totally ruin it.
It's a pizza place in New Jersey, they say they sell like 30 of these things a day
OKay. I threw up. A lot more than a little bit.
i wonder what the survival rate is for the hamas fighters on these operaitons.
pretty fucking low i'd imagine.
Hamas drone dropping grenades os IDF soldiers
that'll teach them spacing
>literally acting worse than Russians
how did IDF manage that?
too much confidence
they haven't fought urban combat in a long time. they'll adapt.
i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
You don't get why it's politically impossible for the IDF to just carpet bomb Gaza City? Are you sure you're old enough to be posting here?
>You don't get why it's politically impossible for the IDF to just carpet bomb Gaza City?
no, i don't. tf is anyone going to do about? i dont want the idf to waste soldiers lives over fighting in urban combat.
>"You can't carpet bomb Gaza! You have to go building by building, and risk your men to IEDs, mines, booby traps, drones, ATGMs, etc!"
the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there. why cant the idf do it when gaza is mostly vacant after a month long siege.
>the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there.
I think the idea was to basically target the labor force and paralyze the military production processes of Germany. Or target factories at least in theory but when you're flying 3,000 bombers over a city and telling them to dump everything, then you're also blowing up everything.
so why is it politically impossible for the idf to do it to gaza?
The Americans and Brits in the 1940s were fighting a world war without the benefit of smart bombs.
The IDF is beating up prisoners in a walled ghetto.
Very different cultural attitudes back in the '40s, when states still accepted the idea of "total war" doctrine where every level of a nation is focused on supporting a war.
Not to mention, smart weapons didn't exist, so if you were going to be targeting entire industrial districts that were the size of small cities themselves, you'd need a LOT of bombs to take it out.
It was until Vietnam that attitudes towards mass carpet bombing started to turn, which coincided with the rise of antiwar movements and the development of cost effective smart bombs.
idf already communicated that this is a fight for the Israel's survival. the overwhelming majority of Israelis want Gaza to turn into Sodom and Gomorrah. the Americans would send the idf an angry smiley emoji but forget about it in 2 mobths. the other middle eastern countries will send another last final ultimate red line OR ELSE warning.
again not seeing the political issue here.
Israel may very well only have one more generation of net-support from the general public in Western nations; Hamas+Al Jazeera are absolutely winning the hearts and minds of westerners. Eventually these anti-Israeli westerners will assume more positions of power in government and finance than the older pro-Israel generations, and Israel will find herself isolated from these people. Israel does need to peacefully resolve at least the West Bank occupation within a generation or so, or find herself being totally perceived as another pariah nation to the West akin to Iran and communist China.
>Gaza may very well only have 15 more minutes of net-support from the general public in Western nations before compassion fatigue and mistrust set in; Hamas+Al Jazeera are absolutely blackpilling the hearts and minds of westerners, who already mistrust terrorists, Islamic fundamentalists, and especially large media. Eventually these anti-Israeli westerners will assume inconsequential positions of insignificance in their parents' basements and Israel will find herself continuing to not give a fuck about terminally online /misc/turds. Israel does need to peacefully resolve a goddamn thing anymore, for the same reason nobody gives a shit about Uyghurs, Tibet, Myanmar, Sudan, Turkey exterminating Kurds or the genocide of 2 million Armenians or the more recent displacement of 50k from Nagorno-Karabakh by Azeris because most people who support these causes are doing so to demonstrate in-group value signalling among socially-conscious leftists with 0 societal or political influence rather than induce any real social or governmental change. That's why there's a lot of people shouting in the streets but not doing much else - all bark and no bite
No , it was moral bombing. Specifically targeting civilians.
They obviously also targeted factories, but the moral bombing was it´s own thing.
Also we germans started it with Coventry so all is good now.
Dresden actually was a terror bombing; it was a cultural site with very little war industry. I mean fuck the Nazis but that was prob a mistake on our part.
Fun fact: Dresden was rebuilt using historic techniques and as much of the original building material as possible. If you visit today, and you should, you'll see that roughly 20% of the blocks still have char from the bombing/firestorm. Additionally, the firestorm, not the bombs themselves, did the most damage. Many buildings collapsed days after the bombing from thermal expansion/contraction caused by the massive fires.
>the brits and americans bombed dresden WHILE THERE WERE STILL CIVILIANS in there
No-one sane thinks Dresden was necessary or justified.
>gaza is mostly vacant
Estimates are there are still several hundred thousand people there.
looks like i have to repeat myself for the both of you.
they haven't fought urban combat in a long time. they'll adapt.
i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
>b4
>u
>u're
Please read the PrepHole site rules before posting, thank you.
Evacuate where?
Oxfam are already calling it the greatest humanitarian crisis they have ever seen.
Also at the point you have levelled an entire city, how does this help at all in freeing the hostages from the underground tunnel network? You think the city is the hard bit and the tunnels are the easy bit?
Your whole statement just reeks of kid.
rafah border crossing. if u have to choose between dying to dehydration/risk getting run over by a mob or dying to egyptian tank fire u'd definitely choose the latter.
>Also at the point you have levelled an entire city, how does this help at all in freeing the hostages from the underground tunnel network? You think the city is the hard bit and the tunnels are the easy bit?
it helps because now u dont have a city full of militants and civvies between u and the tunnels.
or risk* dying to egyptian tank fire u'd definitely choose the latter.
Then you have a city full of militants in the tunnels and a mountain of dead civvies and rubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances, whilst the world turns against you and disease spreads everywhere.
Post birth certificate please.
>Then you have a city full of militants in the tunnels
carpet bombing gaza will not affect this
>and a mountain of dead civvies
intl' pressure wont just increase on israel, but also egypt and eventually the great powers to find a solution. it will be a stare down to who will crack first but i think tanking ur intl' stature is still better than losing soldiers.
>rubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances
i think the rubble dealing with better than having to deal with a city, because i think the idf has some intelligence on the tunnels. they captured 07/10 terrorists and as the pressure mounts someones going to squeal.
i think having to deal with rubble is better than having to deal with a city*
How stoned are you? Your literacy and rationality deteriorates with every post.
i havent slept well and have been consuming news almost non stop for the past few weeks.
pls address my arguments now.
>ubble to sieve through trying to find the entrances
Bunker buster make their own (temporary) entrances.
>the end days of WWII Germany are
> E X A C T L Y
>comparable to the gaza shithole filled with terrorists in 2023
>the context is
> I D E N T I C A L
You really are too fucking stupid to be on the Internet. Fuck off.
>i dont get why they didnt wait for another month b4 going in. the siege would force a humanitarian crisis that would force all the civvies to evacuate, and then u just carpet bomb gaza till there's nothing left but tunnels and the hostages u're after. THEN u go in
Diplomatic front. Keep in mind that Europe was very much anti-Israel until the Hamas raids. Even the Biden admin can only support Israel for so long before their soft spots kick in at the sight of crying little girls and dead babies in Palestinian hospitals
>no uniforms
thats a warcrime
>Hundreds of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment
>Insignificant
>like 50 soldiers and 5 armored vehicles get destroyed by hamas
>le turning point of ze war
honestly how retarded are you people?
Thirdies have no value, so it makes sense that theyd twist a victory out of being completely btfo
>Hundreds of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment
This is the kind of mental gymnastics needed to pretend shitshows like Vietnam were a success
so serbia won against nato?
No correlation
Serbs were on the receiving end of the bombs.
So were the North Vietnamese
And i still cry tears of joy every day
NVA was battered and buck broken by the time they accepted the Paris Accords.
It was the unpopularity of the war and the turmoil caused by Watergate that made them break the peace treaty and take over the South.
>>like 50 soldiers and 5 armored vehicles get destroyed by hamas
This is enough to make them cry
i dont see your point
of course there are people going to cry during war
theres vids from people in Palestine crying too but thats no indicator on how the war is going
>theres vids from people in Palestine crying too but thats no indicator on how the war is going
I believe it shows the emotions of pain and sorrow
>50 soldiers and 5 vehicles
It’s 16 and 1 respectively
The Namer loss is only what they're admitting to. Given the Knesset reaction, the actual numbers are probably a lot higher. I still expect they'll win this but they'll take another 2006-style black eye
You may find this hard to understand to understand after getting kicked out of 109 countries without any self-reflection, but it helps with credibility to not blatantly and shamelessly lie. Someone already posted the video in this thread.
>verification not required
>
You may find this hard to understand to understand after getting kicked out of 109 countries without any self-reflection, but it helps with credibility to not blatantly and shamelessly lie.
Do you learn all your history on Facebook?
>The Namer loss is only what they're admitting to.
Nobody admitted the loss of a Namer anywhere. It may have been penetrated but is likely salvageable. It's not like a shaped charge will completely ruin a 60-ton APC.
>Given the Knesset reaction
There hasn't been a Knesset reaction. They were crying over being shown videos of the Hamas massacre.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/mks-are-shown-raw-videos-of-hamas-atrocities-some-leave-in-tears/
I love how the horizons of Palishit discourse has been reduced to "Well, I saw some Israel politicians crying" while Gaza gets reduced to rubble.
>Nobody admitted the loss of a Namer anywhere.
Look at the vid, it's an obvious trophy intercept
That was a separate incident from the ATGM shot at a Namer that apparently killed a squad.
vid? and not the same one?
not him, but it was reported that a namer got wiped by a kornet, killing 7 of 9. though, i have no idea how they'd know what hit it unless they recovered bits of the missile. it very well could have just been a PG-7VR attack, as that's still a 105mm warhead.
of tons of Explosive dropped on Gaza probably killing hundreds and destroying a shit load of equipment
Emphasis on "probably". We have no way of knowing for certain. All we can do is calculate a minimum on personnel losses from Hamas announcements
Nah
Until Israel got their 40 mile convoy or hostomel moment I'm still confident they'll be able to pull this off. So far it seems to be going well
Why do thirdies and white naggers insist upon lying so much?
2 more weeks
Ahem, Tanks are obsolete
Yeah sure:
Even slav tanks can survive:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eM1wOi1XhmQ
It would be funny to round all these "tanks are ubsulut hurr durr" fags and send them to the frontlines without mechanized support.
That one was hit before the missile traveled the arming distance. The "explosion" was just rocket fuel, world's most expensive Molotov Cocktail.
Are we back to IDF weak, Allahu Akbar already? It seems like just yesterday Hamas was so weak and helpless that the Israelis were practically bullying them.
cool, I forgot how kino the sandbox is
also nice that there isn't techno music playing in the background, forget gaza hospitals and israeli children incessant use of phonk, that is a true warcrime
>crying Israeli politicians
That's fake. You can really just say anything on Twitter now and millions will read and automatically believe it.
>you are a real country.
>you have no functioning government
>no navy or air force
>no secular post-secondary educational institutions or free media
>but that doesn't matter.
>You are a valid, strong independent country who is trying to feel comfortable in her borders.
>All the “validation” you get from Russia and China is pure.
>Behind your back people love you.
>Iran and Lebanon are happy and proud of you, your friends laugh at your nasheeds behind closed doors, and the boys in Dagestan love you, and the other Islamic revanchist regimes envy you.
>Muslims absolutely love you. Palestine folk who “pass” look ordinary and natural to an Arab. Your lack of an economy does not matter.
>Eventually, it’ll be perfect for you - you’ll come out, start warcriming, get border surgery, and finally be your ideal self.
>Iran and Lebanon will find you, happy and relieved that they finally have a happy daughter. >They’ll congratulate you on your hard journey, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a real country is what you are.
>That pasta
what a horrible evening to be able to read
sloppy job, mossad
Why don’t the Israelis just make everything insanely heavily armoured? It’s not as if they need to worry about weight as any fight they’ll be involved in will be close to home…
Anon the Namer weighs nearly as much as the Abrams M1 SEPv2. About 2.5 times as much as a Bradley.
It is fucking heavy for what it is.
It's quite easy to kill Merkava's and especially Namer's: the APS is automatically shut off when the crew hatches are open.
So a skilled ATGM hunter killer squad simply has to wait for the dismounts to start spilling out.
Good to know.
Why am I to assume it's ~~*Hamas*~~? Netanyahu admitted to helping fund them back in 2009. The pretext for current operations by Israel lies in any attacks by Hamas so they can label Palestinians as terrorists.
Praying for dead israelites
fucking janitors keep deleting good threads
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The absolute state of the IDF, how the fuck do you let some dude sneak up on your tank and set up an explosive charge like a Battlefield game?: https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1720147812309209217?t=5zDSqiF25kDekC-THFuovg&s=35
Holy shit lol. Return of the satchel charges. israelites trusting their perimeter technology too much to use basic infantry security.
The latest Battlefield 6 gameplays looks kino