GT RM277 video just dropped

>experienced shooter finally gets ahold of one for a full video review
>surprise: it's absolutely amazing and blows the Sig Spear out of the fricking water
Can we finally agree Sig bought their way into the contract?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Textron should have won.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wanted them to win just because they were the small arms underdog and I hate siggers

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was the Army's own research project they'd been working on for decades. It should have been a coronation, not a contest.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >make convoluted ammo that has only disadvantages vs TV polymer ammo

          >It was the Army's own research project they'd been working on for decades.
          You speak liek Karl Marx and commies they believe that those who "worked hard and tired much" should've get paid. Results don't matter. They literally count value by work hours spent...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >only disadvanates
            Like how lighter weight and shorter overall length of the cartridge is a disadvantage?
            AFAIK there was no official reasoning stated behind why the Textron design wasn't selected. All there is are rumors and people who say they know a guy who knows a guy who was involved in NGSW testing. Such claims are pretty worthless.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Like how lighter weight
              Why lie?

              >and shorter overall length of the cartridge
              And fatter cartridge that makes magazines lower capacity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The magazine looks more aesthetic though

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You accuse me of lying? Crunch the numbers yourself. The Textron CT ammo was lighter than the neckless TVC ammo you love so much.
                That magazine in the center isn't for the 6.8mm CT ammo. It's for one of Textron's earlier 6.5mm CT prototypes. I do not know the diameter of the 6.8mm CT cartridge but the 20 round magazine for the 6.8mm CT appeared to have been shorter vertically compared to the 6.5mm CT magazine but longer horizontally.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                6.8 CT and 6.8 TVC are very close in weight, within a gram or two. The odd one out is .277 Fury, which is more than double the weight of either.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The Textron CT ammo was lighter than the neckless TVC ammo you love so much.
                Op video says TVC is 17.5 grams...

                >That magazine in the center isn't for the 6.8mm CT ammo. It's for one of Textron's earlier 6.5mm CT prototypes.
                6.8 is even wider...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      vgh, what could have been...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every time I see the ejection port location I ree audibly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I feel like there was a missed opportunity to use that ejection port location in a bullpup design.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          just put a molded-in, non-negotiable handstop there to make it less likely that anyone would put his hand there to cause a problem

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It should just be redesigned, whats stopping them from having a rod push the rounds out of the magazine from the front?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i wonder what do you do with your hand

          >t. under 6'

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah man, guns jammed.
            What happened?
            >yeah well I braced by rifle against a trench and it filled the ejection port with mud
            But are you over 6 foot tho?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              it would literally just get pushed out of the way

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its in a bad spot anon. Period.
                Textron doesnt care that youre defending their prototype online.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Textron doesn't care that you're attacking it.
                It is in a weird spot, but it's much more usable than people make it out to be.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i wonder what do you do with your hand

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Magwell grip, VFG, or TOB. It's only a problem if you have gorilla hands or you just hold it from some vague spot ahead of the magwell.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please anon, its a major design flaw.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God the action is so fricking long. They should have just ripped off the TKB-022pm mechanism. It's extremely similar but only takes up like 4" behind the chamber.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      anyone would have been better than Sig

      https://i.imgur.com/Uu0o1GA.jpg

      >experienced shooter finally gets ahold of one for a full video review
      >surprise: it's absolutely amazing and blows the Sig Spear out of the fricking water
      Can we finally agree Sig bought their way into the contract?

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      this just confirms what we already knew but yea frick Sig. Fricking homosexuals. Stop buying their overpriced garbage.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >memepup

      https://i.imgur.com/pnYwKVm.gif

      I need it

      Sig won because they were the safest option

      Hopefully Beretta can bring it to the civilian market

      https://i.imgur.com/ULx7zCW.jpg

      Viral marketing, on your weapons related board? It's more likely than you think!

      Small arms make no difference in warfare.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You are utterly moronic to say that. Go take a bunch of 1898s and see how you fair against a squad using M4s without even a squad or team level MG.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thanks for the input idiot

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >memepup

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I need it

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sig won because they were the safest option

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >safest option
      >after the P320 drop safety debacle
      >while the Spear seems to have unending issues from bendy barrels and magazine issues

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More like because the ceo is a israelite

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >literally named "Ron Cohen"
        just a cohencidence
        stop noticing goy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SIG
      >Safe
      It literally does nothing the contract asked for while also offering zero room for improvement. That's not the safe option that's just a moronic option. No it doesn't matter that they squeezed the abomination into the shape of an AR-10. Retraining someone to work any of the other options would take an hour at worst

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sig won because they added a shitty AR style charging handle so moronic grunts wouldn't be confused.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get how people can be so moronic to not know how to use a firearm after a 5 minute instruction

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You have to remember that there's a LOT of people that are in infantry because they literally couldn't class into anything else with their ASVAB scores. Think of the dumbest person you know and understand there's dumber people out there that are in combat roles.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            this is a stupid point because even the most moronic and dumbest asvab waiver morons can still learn the manual of arms for like 5 different weapon systems that they will ever have to use

            not to mention every unit is going to go through a whole pile of certifications before they ever deploy. so its a complete non issue. and they've never used this logic for any other procurement decision ever. and they still replace equipment with completly different equipment regularly

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sig won because GD utterly failed their LMG submission
      RPK with 20 rds magazine? Really? At least make how capacity like 50 rds drum ro something. 20 rds is just ridiculous boomer BAR cosplay (nor BAR wasn't good).

      Missed opportunity, best decision was to choose GD rfile and TV ammo and rerun LMG comp with TV ammo as new requirement.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Polymer ammo is definitely coming back once it gets better.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sig won because GD utterly failed their LMG submission
        RPK with 20 rds magazine? Really? At least make how capacity like 50 rds drum ro something. 20 rds is just ridiculous boomer BAR cosplay (nor BAR wasn't goo

        Will you morons ever stop repeating this bullshit?
        There was no demand in the program for a belt fed, nor was there to be a preference for either a magazine fed or belt fed support weapon.
        Being magazine fed wasnt a disqualifying factor and if it were it would have been articulated in the program requirements.
        GD was one of the last remaining submissions of dozens and all the different levels and iterations of the NGSW program and werent dropped because of a magazine fed support weapon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >LMG
        Army asked for an "automatic rifle", specifying that belt fed was not required and gave no floor for capacity. Looking at how the gun works, the AR variant would have filled the role fantastically if the OP video is anything to go by.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well judging from the selection they clearly want belt-fed. Trying to provide a base of fire just by emptying a lot of 20 round magazines isn't very impressive these days. They knew that back when the Army's answer to having an automatic rifle was issuing a clip-on bipod to some guy carrying an M16A1 and telling him to use it on automatic. He was then the automatic rifleman of the squad.
          Marines may jizz themselves about the M27 IAR but there are a lot of debatable things there.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd much rather carry a open bolt rifle than a 249, the 249 is a cumbersome janky pos

            the ability to carry a few drum mags on a belt, and also have normal mags at hand for assaulting would be awesome

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they clearly want belt-fed
            Then amend your fricking contract requirments

            These things are legally binding for a reason. If you want belt fed, mandate it. They're just lucky TV is too poor to sue them.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Then amend your fricking contract requirments
              I agree with you that Army didnt articulated their value for capacity of NGSW-AR enough. On the other hand you should have your own head on the shoulders. If you dont have bet fed at least make high capacity magazine, having such option on top of the 20 rds stick wouldn't hurt for sure. GD acted too lazy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think they were concerned about the ergonomics of a high capacity magazine in a bullpup.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And the requirements specifically said 20rd mag was fine.
                Literally in the documents, it says 20rd or larger mag OR belt fed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I'm just saying I think that's why GD didn't convert it to a belt fed. It would turn the rifle into a tripod that's only convenient to aim one direction.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And that makes entire idead of making AR as heavy barrel RM277 questionable, dont you think?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At the same time if they wanted a belt fed they should have just accepted a barrel swap for the 240s like they offered as a back up

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >program of highly questionable and often contradictory requirements isn't precise with what they want the AR variant to be like.
              I'm not sure what you expected from this shitshow of a program. They left it up to the contractors to submit what they wanted as long as it met the base requirements they listed. But reading between the lines there were a lot of indicators the Army wanted a high ammo capacity for NGSW-AR. Which means belt-fed unless someone came up with some sort of amazing magazine design that might convince them otherwise.
              But rest assured that despite the potential the XM250 has the Army will do their best to frick it up. For example they don't want a quick change barrel on the thing.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >For example they don't want a quick change barrel on the thing.
                If it achieves desired rate of fire without barrel change, why not?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because if you're not designing a machine gun like that with a strong capability for "oh shit" moments where you need to lay town a ton of fire in a short time you're doing it wrong. With the high power of that cartridge those barrels are going to get hot unless they found a way to beat physics.

                I'd much rather carry a open bolt rifle than a 249, the 249 is a cumbersome janky pos

                the ability to carry a few drum mags on a belt, and also have normal mags at hand for assaulting would be awesome

                Some people seem to like the M249, others seem to hate it. I'd guess most who hate it had to deal with ones in a shitty beat up and worn out condition because the Army is bad at replacing worn out machine guns. They've been bad at it since the M60 really. With the M240 it's somewhat less of a problem because it's built like a truck and you can tell by the weight of the thing.
                Most of the Europeans seem to have a positive view of the FN Minimi. I know the Brits dumped theirs but they were always using the short barrel which really must have sucked in Afghanistan when you've got some buttholes with PKMs and RPGs shooting at you from 500 or more meters away. And of course they can't do the logical thing and call in artillery support to send them to hell because the RoEs are moronic for political reasons. If by some miracle it went up the whole chain of command and was approved by that time the buttholes would already be gone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Because if you're not designing a machine gun like that with a strong capability for "oh shit" moments where you need to lay town a ton of fire in a short time you're doing it wrong.
                You can shoot open bolt (open bolt means no run away fire from overheated barrel) MG much more beyond its normal fire rate. It will wear don't groves fast but will shot it. So it will work in your "oh shit" moments.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >At least make how capacity like 50 rds drum ro something.
        I don't think you understand how heavy these hybrid case shits are. They're closer to .300 winmag than .308. You're talking about basically handing a 249 to every single soldier.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You're talking about basically handing a 249 to every single soldier.
          NGSW-AR was M249 replacement...

          >Sig won because GD utterly failed their LMG submission
          RPK with 20 rds magazine? Really? At least make how capacity like 50 rds drum ro something. 20 rds is just ridiculous boomer BAR cosplay (nor BAR wasn't goo

          Will you morons ever stop repeating this bullshit?
          There was no demand in the program for a belt fed, nor was there to be a preference for either a magazine fed or belt fed support weapon.
          Being magazine fed wasnt a disqualifying factor and if it were it would have been articulated in the program requirements.
          GD was one of the last remaining submissions of dozens and all the different levels and iterations of the NGSW program and werent dropped because of a magazine fed support weapon.

          >being magazine fed wasnt a disqualifying factor and if it were it would have been articulated in the program requirements.
          Its not about belt fed but about capacity. 20rds vs 50 and 100rds of the XM250 - its over...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and capacity wasnt a disqualifying factor either dude. The automatic rifle submission wasnt the deciding factor for SIG winning the contract.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Yeah and capacity wasnt a disqualifying factor either dude
              Yeah they picked it for final round where it lost to the gun with 50 and 100 rds belt bags.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are so fricking stupid its really amazing.
                If it was a disqualifying factor, the ARMY WOULDNT HAVE ALLOWED ITS SUBMISSION IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU DUMB Black person

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't think you understand how heavy these hybrid case shits are
          6.8 TVCM weighs less per round than 308.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wow a smaller cartridge weighs less? Whaaaat?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Wow a smaller cartridge weighs less? Whaaaat?
              Are you moronic? the 6.8 bullet is 135gr, M80A1 is 130gr. It weighs dramatically less because of the polymer case, unlike sig's dogshit cope case.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dont expect rational or nuanced opinions on sig from /k/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      safe as in you completely miss your target sparing them from harm

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is an advanced Sig feature that allows the gun to cover a wider area without the operator needing to do anything and makes it harder for enemy ninjas to predict where the bullets will go and dodge. Only Sig can come up with that kind of hard nosed military thinking.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hard nosed
          Oy vey!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >safest option
      *safest retirement option for the top brass

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        (me-an addon)
        although SIGH had the best MG anyway imo. they should combine it with TV ammo (although the problem is cost).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >(me-an addon)
          Wtf does that even mean?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i added something to my previous poast (cited)

            they could do it like the russians. although it would be difficult to fire from the left hand.

            https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/23/breaking-pecheneg-pkp-bullpup-machine-gun/

            (me-an addon)
            although SIGH had the best MG anyway imo. they should combine it with TV ammo (although the problem is cost).

            sig had the best MG anyway. the auto rifle (or "mg") for that bullpup was almost identical to the rifle so they could just use the bullpup mg i suppose.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The difference in recoil between the Sig and is fricking crazy. I'm convinced Sig had to have bribed them there is no other way. You can't even hold on to the XM7 without falling over. AND the ammo is a fraction of the weight? Jesus christ

      It won because it was the closest candidate to an AR-15

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess the more fitting term would have been "traditional".

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hopefully Beretta can bring it to the civilian market

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      True Velocity announced they were going to be producing a civilian variant called the Genesis, but that was over 2 years ago and there's been no info since.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The last 3 times beretta tried to bring one of their military rifles or pccs to the civ market they have been not well received so they now stopped. It's the reason they will announce late this year the NARP will be MIL only

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you guys think GT fricked Botkin in the ass? I'm sure he did. The temptation would be unbearable and he could easily overpower the twink.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      too bad his balls are now the size of peas given the amount of roids he has taken

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone knows SIG has bought the last 12 contracts. The MG was a decent idea but every other part of their entries have been utterly trash

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The biggest problem was tying to the contract to both a rifle *and* a MG.

      Everyone with eyes could tell the Spear was a piece of dog shit. You don’t over-design a brass case to handle pressure better unless you absolutely have to.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The contract specifically called it an "automatic rifle" not an MG, and then even said in the requirements it could be magazine OR belt fed, not both, not belt feed only, either one.

        If the lynch pin of the program was a belt fed MG, they should've put it in the requirements.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If TV had enough money for israeli lawyers they likely could have contested this but without General Dynamics deep pockets they were fricked on the legal front.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >hypebeast clickbait shit
    Go away, divorcee.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Tell me you're a Sig shill, without telling me you're a Sig shill

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty funny when people that have never had a girlfriend let alone a wife complain about people divorcing

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >4 MOA
    >Trigger worse than the AUG

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >4moa
      Welcome to the world of militarily acceptable accuracy.
      Take a guess on the M4s acceptable accuracy requirements.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ever see the minimum acceptance for accuracy on a M4?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        4 MOA?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think 4 is minimum for acceptance, 3-5 is generally what you'll see from an average M4, maybe 6-8 MOA on one in need of a barrel replacement.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            One of the biggest problems imo with military rifles is the absolute moronic cleaning standard that essentially destroys them, I've seen soldiers go at the crown of the barrel with a dental pic because their stupid instructor though it should be silver, I've seen soldiers scrape away blueing, then everyone is shocked with the rifles can hit shit. Is OK if there is some carbon ffs.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Doctrine for the last 50 years or whatever has more been about volume suppression as part of a group while heavier weapons are brought to bear, so yeah a lot of that is kind of baked in and self-reinforcing. Some of the upcoming tech changes though may push towards more accurate fewer more powerful rounds, so perhaps there will be a gradual shift in military procurement and training too.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >may push towards more accurate fewer more powerful rounds
                Hello darkness, my old friend

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                for the same weight as a loaded 30.06 m1 Garand you could instead carry a loaded 7.62 Nato M14 AND a spare 20 round magazine !

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The polymer cases drastically reduce weight so you still get alot of the volume. The ability to fire from a open bolt as well as a closed bolt allow for increase volume as well. The RM277 is like having your cake and eating it too. It allows for volume of fire and accurate power.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Orange pumice soap and hot water is all you need

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>4 MOA
      The 2-4 moa they quoted for a new rifle would be perfectly inline with standard military stuff the world over moron.
      worse than the AUG
      Unfortunately this is also common in mil guns for various reasons, though perhaps that'd be improved if it had been selected. But military has never cared. If it had taken off no doubt there would have been kits for it just like there are for the aug.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Trigger worse than the AUG
      "trigger is fine" with extra steps

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He said in video the barrel was shot out from all the testing they did

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Viral marketing, on your weapons related board? It's more likely than you think!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the video. That confirms what we heard from soldiers who tested them, and also that the military primarily cared about the LMG not the service rifle unfortunately. Really good looking weapon, too bad. But as other anons said the real problem is in how the entire competition was setup and done. DoD should have been much more aggressive on the ammo side, doing the R&D to make for a full leap forward to CPT ammo for everyone, then had separate tracks for rifle and lmg so they could pick the best one of each.

      Pity though no surprise the civilian version is ded.

      >marketing
      >for a gun that cannot be bought
      yeah

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >for a gun
        For the Youtuber, you pillock.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How is him using a non-popular mostly unknown rifle good marketing for him?

          Do you think the millions of RM277 fans out there were just waiting for a YouTuber to get their hands on the rifle for testing and now he's cashing in on it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why are you deflecting and pretending to be dumb? Are you a marketer for that guntuber group the guy is a part of?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You're delusional.

              It's a gun you can't buy that isn't popular from a YouTuber that has more popularity than the gun itself, which again, you can't buy.

              So who is marketing what here?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In that case frick right off with that bullshit anon. I watched it in a private window with uBO, boom, no ads, no revenue to him, who cares. It's an interesting gun with interesting tech, where exactly are you suggesting we get a decent rundown of it with lots of shooting? Feel free to post an alternative, unironically. But the mere fact some people might watch it with an ad and he gets $0.0001 or whatever google pays for a single view doesn't mean it's not interesting or useful. If there is one case gun video makers are justified it's stuff like this, showing interesting niche shit that nobody can buy and report on themselves. His GM6 video was fun too, and those are the only two I remember.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >In that case frick right off with that bullshit anon. I watched it in a private window with uBO, boom, no ads, no revenue to him, who cares
            The link OP posted has Youtube's tracking ID embedded into it. You engaged the algorithm and provided Google with valuable marketing data on anonymous individuals. OP's post is a viral marketing effort to spread awareness of the Youtuber's account and actions to a very much upstream internet forum.

            You're delusional.

            It's a gun you can't buy that isn't popular from a YouTuber that has more popularity than the gun itself, which again, you can't buy.

            So who is marketing what here?

            Leviathan Group
            https://www.leviathantribe.com/
            is marketing one of its influencers.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              No, they're not. They could get more views showing off some random SIG shit or doing more freezing condition tests and get far more views than this video would

              They made this video because they think the gun is neat, that's literally fricking it.

              You're actually moronic if you think this is some marketing scheme for his channel.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >for his channel.
                No, it's a marketing scheme for a Leviathan Group influencer. GT does his own content, but he's a part of this larger conglomerate who do PR and marketing campaigns for him. They don't control his content like that.

                Post guns you absolute raging homosexual. You've posted zero alternative sources and are just spamming and trolling with your absolute seethe over a lot of interesting info on a really cool rifle.
                >with valuable marketing data on anonymous individuals
                GOOD THEN gay. OK so now they know some people want more innovative and cool guns and might be willing to buy them? Maybe they made a bit of money back on getting ahold of and shooting a ton of something awesome? Where is the problem with this anon?

                Oh right, you're a fricking demooooralizer tourist, seething sigger, or both.

                Why are you so upset about me calling out a viral marketing campaign? Don't you want anons to understand what's going on on our board? Would you prefer anons to not realize that they're being viral marketed to?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >noguns
                Why are you so upset about the RM277 anon? Please explain yourself. Stop deflecting towards irrelevant schizo shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Stop deflecting towards irrelevant schizo shit.
                In the same post where you claim I'm upset about the RM27 for some reason, uhhuh.
                I do hope you're not being paid for this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Influencing your opinion is worth less than nothing

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My hissy fit? It seems obvious to me at least, that it's you who is actually upset here. You're swearing and insulting and typing your post out in an obvious agitated manner, exaggerating and making blanket statements. My post would have been a singular one at the start of the thread, were it not for this aggressive reaction to it.
                >a rare thread
                Garand Thumb threads aren't rare. The marketing effort posts theme here every time a new one comes out.

                [...]
                Then why do it?

                So how much is Sig paying you? Seems way more likely.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't like shilling? YOU'RE A SHILL

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >video on sig competitors that cannot be bought is not allowed everyone it is conspiracy and gives ad info for guns that cannot be bought im totally not a sig shill tho also noguns
                sigger defense force sure is insecure

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                your problem is you're an autistic moronic sperg anon. you think you have this huge revelation of something fricking obvious and meaningless. there is zero humans on the planet who arent aware that advertising is a thing. none. you are not special. /k/ is not important. gun video makers have millions of subscribers then randos on top. you got called out on your "second hand viral marketing" because whole concept is fricking stupid. and your hissy fit has derailed a rare thread on new gun tech.

                so seriously frick you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My hissy fit? It seems obvious to me at least, that it's you who is actually upset here. You're swearing and insulting and typing your post out in an obvious agitated manner, exaggerating and making blanket statements. My post would have been a singular one at the start of the thread, were it not for this aggressive reaction to it.
                >a rare thread
                Garand Thumb threads aren't rare. The marketing effort posts theme here every time a new one comes out.

                Influencing your opinion is worth less than nothing

                Then why do it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm not autistic, i just pretend to be autistic to trigger people like you!
                Wow, an autistic moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Rationality is not autistic just because you (seem to) oppose it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again, it's not rational, you ACTUALLY think this video is marketing something, that unironically just shows how stupid you are.

                This video in no way successfully promotes a product, or a larger YouTube collective, at least not in anyway that would have ANY measurable impact.

                You're missing the forrest for the trees and think you've struck a grand slam when you've hit it right to the first baseman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is entirely rational to viral market on PrepHole, there's already a long tradition of it. Leviathan Group itself markets the Group as having outreach on ALL SOCIAL PLATFORMS, which PrepHole is one of.
                >This video in no way successfully promotes a product, or a larger YouTube collective, at least not in anyway that would have ANY measurable impact.
                It's active outreach on a website that is far upstream in terms of internet communities and meme production. It's valuable marketing data on anonymous individuals and their interests. Even if PrepHole was some other website, it's still worth it to seek engagement with a potential audience.
                For the price of pennies, Leviathan Group can pay some Indian shill farm to post a thread on PrepHole to market one of their contracted influencers. It is entirely rational and feasible for them to do so.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The fact you think any of that is happening here is fricking hilarious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, wake up. It's 2024, not 2004. Bots and shills and marketers and search-engine optimization with LLM-written articles are everywhere and here to stay. That line of argument could've been believable to the ignorant a decade ago, but in the current year it's hilarious.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, I get your point on the viral marketing, but is it really that unbelievable that an anon just thought a video on a military prototype would be a cool thing to talk about on the weapons board of a Malaysian finger painting website?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                After all this noise, yeah.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i acted like a moron
                >got called out for acting like a moron
                >the ones who accused me of being a moron PROVE I'm not moronic
                lol

                lmao even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I apologize for upsetting you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Does it matter? In the end you still ran the link. If a random dude throws a thread up or a employee throws it up, its actually better for the seller to have the random dude, less money spent and more deniability to marketing. The rando is quite literally doing it for free. Win win for the seller. This is a pretty common viral tactic at this day and age. I would point out how effective it is by using 2016 as an example, but I don't want to wake the bears.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're moronic if you think that taking ten seconds to make a post on the internet's gun autism board isn't worth the ten seconds.
                This post cost them nothing.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Post guns you absolute raging homosexual. You've posted zero alternative sources and are just spamming and trolling with your absolute seethe over a lot of interesting info on a really cool rifle.
              >with valuable marketing data on anonymous individuals
              GOOD THEN gay. OK so now they know some people want more innovative and cool guns and might be willing to buy them? Maybe they made a bit of money back on getting ahold of and shooting a ton of something awesome? Where is the problem with this anon?

              Oh right, you're a fricking demooooralizer tourist, seething sigger, or both.

            • 3 weeks ago
              OP

              I just posted the video because I like the gun and thought it covered the features well. I don't even watch like 99% of GT's videos.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >He doesn't know you can just snip the actual link
              REEEEEEETAAAAAAARED

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >for his channel.
              No, it's a marketing scheme for a Leviathan Group influencer. GT does his own content, but he's a part of this larger conglomerate who do PR and marketing campaigns for him. They don't control his content like that.

              [...]
              Why are you so upset about me calling out a viral marketing campaign? Don't you want anons to understand what's going on on our board? Would you prefer anons to not realize that they're being viral marketed to?

              Based anon, calling out viral marketing bullshit.

              [...]

              Whoops, mq

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why are you deflecting and pretending to be dumb? Are you a marketer for that guntuber group the guy is a part of?

          >t. seething sigger
          >noooooo dont talk about cool gun deflect deflect deflect!!!
          lmao

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My first thought while watching this was "Dear god how much money in ammo did he shoot". A box of 20 rounds of .308 is listed at $69.99 on True Velocity's website. The .277 is guaranteed going to be more expensive. Their ammo can NEVER EVER be widespread in the civ market at that price. Even their 5.56 is just a c**thair short of $1.25 a shot. That's not accounting for any markups you'd see at your LGS.

          The gun itself is frickin cool. I want one and I want it frickin now. But please for the love of god swap out the trigger. If it's as bad as he's saying it's gotta be done. If the GOP ever grows a spine (not possible) or the NFA dies for some other reason and the ammo doesn't cost the soul of your firstborn that gun will be VERY popular. The open and closed bolt functionality is frickin awesome.

          Why does Garand Thumb cause so damn much seethe? It's honestly impressive. Every single thread with even a whisper of him guaranteed has someone sperging out.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The price is because it's a meme cartridge currently without any widespread use.
            At literally any scale injection molded plastic will absolutely MOG, I mean absolutely DOMIANATE brass cases price vise.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I don't doubt that, but will they ever actually try to get it widespread and lower their prices?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah 1 injection molding machine pushing 100+ cases at once or 12 different stamping machines to progressively draw out a brass disk into a single case is an obvious answer

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                PEEK is an expensive material though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Is it cheaper then the maintenance/run time for 12 times the machines and brass stock through? Would economy of scale kicked and reduced the price?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            24 a box honestly isn't that horrible for meme 5.56

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Until you realize the marketing of it was for a low cost alternative to brass/steel ammunition and brass 5.56 is meant to be 35cpr

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is economy of scale

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How much do you think the sig ammo costs, anon? I'm not talking about crippled civvie loads.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't worry anon, he was sent the gun and ammo for free so that YOU will buy the gun and ammo when it's for sale.

            That's how advertising works

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >in 2027 when someone else finally picks it up and releases it as a limited run for $9000 with $70 boxes of ammo everyone on /k/ will totally immediately buy it because of some rando video that said it had a dogshit trigger 3 years earlier
              Anon you seem very confused between "a look at a prototype" and "fantasy wizard mind control". Are you ok? Is there anything you'd like to share with us?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This anon already said it better than I would

                Does it matter? In the end you still ran the link. If a random dude throws a thread up or a employee throws it up, its actually better for the seller to have the random dude, less money spent and more deniability to marketing. The rando is quite literally doing it for free. Win win for the seller. This is a pretty common viral tactic at this day and age. I would point out how effective it is by using 2016 as an example, but I don't want to wake the bears.

                Anon, wake up. It's 2024, not 2004. Bots and shills and marketers and search-engine optimization with LLM-written articles are everywhere and here to stay. That line of argument could've been believable to the ignorant a decade ago, but in the current year it's hilarious.

                It is entirely rational to viral market on PrepHole, there's already a long tradition of it. Leviathan Group itself markets the Group as having outreach on ALL SOCIAL PLATFORMS, which PrepHole is one of.
                >This video in no way successfully promotes a product, or a larger YouTube collective, at least not in anyway that would have ANY measurable impact.
                It's active outreach on a website that is far upstream in terms of internet communities and meme production. It's valuable marketing data on anonymous individuals and their interests. Even if PrepHole was some other website, it's still worth it to seek engagement with a potential audience.
                For the price of pennies, Leviathan Group can pay some Indian shill farm to post a thread on PrepHole to market one of their contracted influencers. It is entirely rational and feasible for them to do so.

                Again, it's not rational, you ACTUALLY think this video is marketing something, that unironically just shows how stupid you are.

                This video in no way successfully promotes a product, or a larger YouTube collective, at least not in anyway that would have ANY measurable impact.

                You're missing the forrest for the trees and think you've struck a grand slam when you've hit it right to the first baseman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, all of those posts are (you) doing your schizo routine and ignoring everyone who obliterated your moronation.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, you're on /k/. Do you really think they need to advertise to us? Half of us would drag our dicks through a mile of broken glass just to sniff the chamber of one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                PrepHole is literally one of the most influential websites on the internet and if you think differently well, you're wrong. A LOT of trends start here then disseminate you other platforms. Its userbase:reach ratio is actually astounding and marketers absolutely do try to harness it.

                But also, for the record, I at no point have said that they were advertising on /k/. What I said is that Garandthumb is an employee of an advertising firm and his showcase videos are often advertisments.

                These people are not sending him a prototype gun and ammo for free with no expectation of benefit in the future lol.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He was a tripgay here before he had a big YT channel.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even worse. TripBlack folk are and always have been cancer.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            literally everyone knows this
            our opinion is unchanged

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The RM277 was to innovative and it scared the military, unfortunately, this has been the case many time in the past.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fully working well thought out ultra reliable forward eject
    man hope that really makes desert tech think. they just abandoned it for the mdr. but clearly it can work great. this gun is what the wlvrn should have been.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didnt some anon on /arg/ leaked that this was axed for the civilian market?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No?
      >leak
      Everyone can see how it got involved in various licensing and legal shit and then went to total radio silence. There's no mystery here, without volume production the big players didn't think it was worth their time, tried maybe salvaging something by licensing it to someone else, who couldn't handle it, so that's it.

      Seriously, everyone knew whichever guns didn't get selected were 99.9% ded. Only military procurement volume could bootstrap adoption of a new round and tech. Just the nature of the beast.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I fricking hate siggers. We were robbed.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do you people feel the need to post every time a video gets released from some viral marketing shill? Are you part of the conglomerate? Why are you posting this shit? If I cared I would just fricking turn on post notifications for his channel you fricking Instagram dipshit.
    I don't care what this homosexual who was paid to make this video thinks about a moronic bullpup I can't have nor would I ever want, and him saying "wow it's really good!" to get more free presskits and israelitebucks from True Velocity isn't going to make the US Army change their mind about it.
    Guntubers are literally cannibalizing this hobby like locusts for YouTube and Patreon money and now you Grunt Style t-shirt homosexuals are basically shitposing on this board about their moronic opinions every fricking day.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Anon is pissy about a rare weapon post on a weapon board
      what if you ignore whatever shit he's trying to sell instead
      or fricking have a nice day

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >there's no reason a gun enthusiast might make a video about a gun besides shilling for 300cpr match ammo and a gun that you literally can't buy, even in semi-only form
      Please have a nice day and remove some misery and cynicism from the world.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >WaOw ItS sO PoWeRfUl AnD nO rEcOiL
    This is exactly what the sig shills say about their dumb meme gun. And it doesn't have the worst trigger in all of history. What exactly is supposed to make the memepup better?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Black person did you watch the video? It’s infinitely more controllable.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You can see in literally every video of the sigger rifle that it kicks like a mule, because it's just a piston AR-10 running bubba's pissing hot handloads. This thing is mag dumpable like an MP5.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >this thing is mag dumpable like an MP5
        Oh frick off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Watch the video homosexual. 19/20 rounds from a full auto mag dump in the A zone at 25 yds

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    guntoober homosexual thread
    hide thread
    problem solved

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can't take the toober bantz
      solve your b***hmade attitude first

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SIG defense force is out and about today.
    Even if we didn't take the weapons the cartridge tech is actually frickin incredible and we should have gone with it for the backwards compatibility alone. Polycase is the future

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a fricking polymer case, jackass. It's not "incredible" or revolutionary.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        uhh it actually is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Still designed around a moronic list of requirements that were often contradictory.
          >Still has that stupid-potato-looking suppressor.
          >Still has the LMG variant they offered the Army as nothing more than the same rifle with a heavy barrel and bipod.
          Wake me when some country buys a large number for their military.
          Also a minor issue but everyone is understandably worried about plastic pollution these days. Is there any way you could make the polymer case biodegradable? I don't know enough about the material sciences of polymers.

          >uhh it actually is
          If you think it's so amazing the Textron CT design offers greater weight savings. So if you're going to make the jump to such ammunition why not get the most out of it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wake me when some country buys a large number for their military.
            I hear Malaysia is interested in this failed project.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            While I personally think that CT is ultimately superior it would seem that designers are unable to make a gun with this new unconventional operating system that works as well as classic designs leaving the composite plastic + steel case as the solution.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The way they configured the lifting mechanism was so moronic.
              They could have made it more space efficient and have the ejection port behind the magazine instead of right where the rifle is going to be gripped by the offhand.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They should have made it rotating with three chambers. Then one is feeding, one is firing, and one is ejecting all at the same time. And then instead of pushing through the chamber, you could feed and eject from the same side. That would let you make a gun where the chamber and barrel are literally 100% of the length of the rifle, you could fit a 33" barrel into a rifle as long as an M4.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              CT design is dead end.
              Moving chamber=throw your gun into the trash.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Is there any way you could make the polymer case biodegradable?

            Dont know either but wouldn't that be contradictory with having large stocks of ammos around? Stockpilling small arms ammo isn't as strategical as having tons of shell ready to go, but still...

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Most ammo will be shot at ranges so you just need to sweep it up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Dont know either but wouldn't that be contradictory with having large stocks of ammos around?
              I've been out of organic chemistry lab work for over a decade at this point, but I can think of two R&D approaches, both based around the fact that "stocks of ammo" are unshot whereas what you want to degrade is shot. So what I'd be interested to see looked into is
              1) A polymer that's designed to be non-degradable/waterproof from production and at all normal temps, but undergoes a change when exposed to high temperature/pressure (ie, when the powder is ignited) that allows it to be broken down afterwards.
              2) A polymer that is fully biodegradable, but has all the desired insulation and structural properties and is amenable to easy coating/plating with a thin metal or ceramic layer. The polymer is still lighter and reduces chamber heat. The coating adds a bit of weight but even while thick enough to have no issues with scratches is still far lighter then what would be needed to make the whole cartridge out of it. While it's sealed there is no issue. Once the round is fired, the end is now open to air/water and then can be degraded from the inside.

              Both strike me as plausible approaches, but would definitely take some effort.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Dont know either but wouldn't that be contradictory with having large stocks of ammos around?
              I've been out of organic chemistry lab work for over a decade at this point, but I can think of two R&D approaches, both based around the fact that "stocks of ammo" are unshot whereas what you want to degrade is shot. So what I'd be interested to see looked into is
              1) A polymer that's designed to be non-degradable/waterproof from production and at all normal temps, but undergoes a change when exposed to high temperature/pressure (ie, when the powder is ignited) that allows it to be broken down afterwards.
              2) A polymer that is fully biodegradable, but has all the desired insulation and structural properties and is amenable to easy coating/plating with a thin metal or ceramic layer. The polymer is still lighter and reduces chamber heat. The coating adds a bit of weight but even while thick enough to have no issues with scratches is still far lighter then what would be needed to make the whole cartridge out of it. While it's sealed there is no issue. Once the round is fired, the end is now open to air/water and then can be degraded from the inside.

              Both strike me as plausible approaches, but would definitely take some effort.

              the idea of having the material undergo a chemical reaction after being exposed to heat/pressure is a neat idea.

              but the reality is 1. all the lead from the bullets will probably do more brain damage than any microplastics and 2. uncle sam doesn't give a damn about being green when we want to spill blood. we'd have to get real serious about eco imperialism before we see any changes.

              the only exception may be fuel cell armored infantry so a shipboard nuclear reactor can purify seawater into fuel. but even then we will probably use use diesel until it either runs out or we start colonizing space and have no choice to switch propulsion systems and make the fuel out of mars water

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1: Even the US military is starting to (slowly) break some of the bad old habits of not giving a shit about soldier's or the public's health. This isn't from some enlightened awakening per se but raw need. They're having massive recruitment issues, and treating soldiers like shit in ways private industry was banned from and dealt with decades ago doesn't make them more attractive. Everyone has heard about the burn pits and shit at this point. VA health costs have also skyrocketed. Finally public pressure at this point is much higher. Obviously performance is still vital, but I don't think the military would be uninterested in something that also cut short the whole plastics politics.

                2: Military purchases are key, but in the US at least civilian ammo is a tiny market either. So there is some incentive on that front to make a product that will be popular there too, or for that matter not just banned/taxed in some states. Isn't even really a right/left issue unlike most gun stuff, no man wants plastic shit in his balls feminizing him and his children.

                So I don't think it's hopeless, just really early days for poly ammo research.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also, a lot of us just don't use lead, or at least use TMJ. Some of that is health, but also while it doesn't apply here monos let you do some really fun fast twists for long range. Can push above the 300k rpm limit that jacketed rounds generally have. Niche, but still neat.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            has that stupid-potato-looking suppressor.
            There is nothing wrong with potato. Its shortest and lightest supressor and it works.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw its the future
    a shame future man is not here to review it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This and Pinks were my favorite TV shows that weren't porno. Simpler times lad.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    made me fantasize about a squad full of these with no belt fed, actually finally fulfilling the original role of an ASSAULT RIFLE

    each rifleman having the ability to provide fully automatic suppression while the other maneuvers, with full auto rifle rounds being the main engagement method instead of carefully aimed single shots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The point of an assault rifle is to use aimed semi-auto to suppress and full-auto at close range. The original concept combined the roles of the standard armaments of WW2: a full-power rifle and SMG.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >effective automatic fire with service rifles using a cartridge of comparable power and recoil to 7.62mm NATO
      >20 round magazine as standard because larger and the magazines become a bit cumbersome
      The US Ordinance Department called and wants you to apologize for anything bad you might have said about the M14.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      marines are doing it with 416...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yes but the technology in the RM277 would allow you to take it far beyond to the next level

        mag dumping 762 into a man sized target is impressive

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they could do it like the russians. although it would be difficult to fire from the left hand.

          https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/09/23/breaking-pecheneg-pkp-bullpup-machine-gun/

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do I feel like the drills these larperators practice would be a very, very bad idea in actual combat?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      actual combat consists of barely aimed rapid fire towards the noise of gunfire or of close range assault into a fortification or building

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        makes sense

        Because youre too stupid to figure out what these drills are for.

        hello lucas, how's your reddit account?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Youre mad moronic buddy, and too stupid to realize it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            seething larperator jaja

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Later nitwit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because youre too stupid to figure out what these drills are for.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Most of them just build foundational skills. Nobody's actually expecting to pull these moves in a real fight, but it's very effective at training follow-up shots and target acquisition.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very low recoil indeed.
    Would be interesting to see how tight it shoots full auto if made in 5.56.

    Unfortunately this gun is going nowhere. It's main feature is build around full auto and full auto is illegal for civilian market and military already rejected it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I could see a semi-auto .308 version being made with the open bolt capability removed, but it’d be prohibitively expensive and hard to justify when there’s decent AR-10’s to be had in the thousand dollar range

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >crazy high velocity ammo
    >ejection port right next to your ear

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >experienced
    lmao what fricking experience

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wheres your successful youtube gun channel, anon?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is this the new meme? Deflecting criticism by saying the other guy isn't doing x in the field?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        idk if this is that strong of an argument, anon. I bet you and I can both name several very successful youtubers that we both agree are complete morons

        Sorry I pointed out that your heckin flannel daddarino has no actual practical experience. He's just another /k/ommando LARPer, the difference being he's employed by an advertising agency to sell products to impressionable consumers who don't realize they're watching a commercial.

        It's pretty funny the roids are making his hair fall out, though. I recently saw a picture of him from like a year ago and I forgot how normal he used to look before the bloat and blood pressure started really hitting.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      when you think about it really is kinda funny he didnt deploy anywhere he was 18 in 2004 but he joined later in his life he dropped out of med school so lets say it was about 2008 when he joined military and yet he still opted to not go anywhere

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I joined in 2009 and spent more time in Afghanistan than any sane person would ever want to.

        If you were in during the Afghanistan surge and didn't see combat, it's because you made an active effort to avoid combat. And I'll go a step further and say there's nothing wrong with doing that.

        What bugs me about him is that he did that then got out and now pretends he's some skullfricking killer. Hanging out with your bros, shooting stuff, dressing up and playing pretend is based. Being yet another lying brovet homosexual to sell Palmetto State Armory products to zoomers is as cringe as it gets though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no source

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go ahead anon, post literally any evidence of him doing a single combat deployment lol.

        That post is literally just a knower filling in the unsaid blanks from what Mike himself has said about his career publicly. And he was frickin posting here or on YouTube the whole time. His tough guy killer persona has only come about since he got out of the Air Force, and honestly, many such cases lol

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    My bad, I was scrolling too fast and missed that you were talking about the AR.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's the perfect modern rifle. Has every useful feature and no bullshit. Forward ejection probably could've been done better though.

    We already know our government is corrupt and picked the company that would give them the most kickbacks, shame really.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >eceleb
    >garand gays
    >bull pup

    Pass. Buy an ad moron.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >exposed as a moron
      >evades to start a new reply chain
      Sad

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2024
        >schitzoposting

        Wew. Here’s an alternate theory: this thread sucks and so do you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here's another theory, you suck wieners, and everyone ITT all have to put up with your dickbreath

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man, Garandthumb fell off. All of his new videos are catering to zoomer morons with zero attention span

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd be fine with him switching to a less informative, more comedic format if him and his buddies were actually funny. I have the same problem with Administrative Results. Forgotten Weapons is funnier and it's not even trying to be. Maybe that's just me getting older though.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It lost because it has a chode for a suppressor.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The open bolt and closed bolt combo seems like it gimps this rifle. Probably why GT didn't like the trigger either.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the RM277 was the better rifle, but Sig had a vastly superior machine gun, and ammo commonality wins that fight

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Ammo commonality
      >Cartridge incapable of being used in anything besides SIG brand pipebombs

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If only we adopted .270 British back in the day instead of selling out to maintain out small arms control....

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      .270 Enfield was a garbage round that only idiots think would have been a good pick.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a POS that bongs cherry pick the pissing hot load's ballistics whole claiming it recoiled like 6.5 Grendel. Everything about it is bad from the OAL on.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy an ad

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    SIG won and the spear will be used for at least the next 50 years. Get over it already.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and the spear will be used for at least the next 50 years
      hahaha it will be lucky to even get mass adoption at all just like the last pile of failures lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, ~~*SIG*~~ won, but America lost.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >come up with moronic requirements
        >SiG technically meets these moronic requirements and is the cheapest
        IDK what you expect when so many things about this program that were determined by morons.
        "We want a gun to kill stuff at 800 meters which will obviously be the distance our infantry will be exchanging fire with Chinese infantry in an environment where there is no sort of artillery support or other assets. With suppressor it cannot be longer than a standard M4 carbine because we'll compromise on all sorts of other important aspects like weight and recoil but not that one for some reason. And we are also going to hate your design if the manual of arms isn't the same as an AR-15 variant. Please paint it in some hideous shade of tan even though we're sick of fighting in the desert. You will receive bonus points if you make the design as ugly as you possibly can. Also forget that train as you fight, fight as you train talk. That's an outdated idea worthless retired officers speak of when they can't see how great our transformation plans for the Army are. So we're going to issue lower power ammo to the guys stateside and then issue the good stuff to them once they're in the combat zone."
        So much of what is going on now is like someone rediscovered the kool-aid everyone was drinking in the Future Combat Systems days, but made it even stronger.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    America will never adopt bullpup. That and plastic ammo was too much of an ask.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And that's why America adopted bullshit instead. Not my problem

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Should anyone have won? I'm really skeptical about the NGSW program as a whole.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brass wanted a new rifle that could pierce body armor in case the unthinkable happened and we had to fight China/Russia.

      Then we learned that they were lying about their body armor capabilities and 5.56 would have worked just fine.

      Alternatively, the MIC just wanted to find a new way to waste tax dollars. And I say this as a huge battle rifle gay.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Brass wanted a new rifle that could pierce body armor in case the unthinkable happened and we had to fight China/Russia.

        crazy because none of the program requirments had anything to do with armor penetration

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >crazy because none of the program requirments had anything to do with armor penetration
          Funny talk when one of the 6.8 ammo that army buys is super duper secret AP round.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it isnt. The standard round is steel core.
            And no, it cant defeat lvl4 pl8s without using a tungsten ap round just like 556 and 308.
            The 6.8 memeround was designed for "overmatch" because the army is run by idiots and they think that every joe needs to be able to engage an emplaced machine gun at 800 meters.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The standard round is steel core.
              Army buys not only steel core, but also some secret desing AP round.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is almost assuredly tungsten at ~4-6x the cost per round.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >at ~4-6x the cost per round.
                not my problem

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The problem with tungsten is that there isn't enough of it in the world to support an open conventional war between superpowers. It's a relatively uncommon element that's already used in a huge variety of stuff (mostly sparingly in various alloys), depleting world stockpiles by putting tungsten penetrators into billions or trillions of bullets would have lasting effects on industry and technological advancement.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bullshit. It's just a little bit of the stuff in some bullets. A ton of bullets is like 6 million bullets. Also we can just make any element we want by transmuting it with fusion reactions.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >billions or trillions of bullets
                US Army buys 100 milions of 5.56 per yeah. GTFO with your trillions strawman.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just like they do for 762 and 556....
                nothing special and no new capability

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sorta, M993 and M995 are legacy tungsten penetrators. There is a new generation of tungsten carbide penetrators developed under the ADVAP (advanced armor penetrator) program which has resulted in the new M1158 (7.62x51) and M1184 (6.8x51, listed as the Next Generation Squad Weapon Special Purpose Round in the FY25 procurement budget) rounds. The army spent 3 years researching and developing a new way to manufacture the tungsten carbide penetrator which made this possible.

                > The successful manufacturing effort enabled the Army to go from baseline processing time of 15 minutes per round, to approximately 25 seconds per round, and achieved significant cost savings.

                Though apparently for the 6.8 ammo, since it's only manufactured by SIG currently, something happened and SIG massively underestimated the cost for the FY24 contract and the FY25 contract has a more accurate unit price, they claimed it would be $12-13/rd but it's apparently closer to $23/rd. I'm shocked more people aren't mad about this.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                do you remember the torturous discourse about how we couldn't use tungsten rounds anymore because chiyna controls the w supply (not true) and the ngsw was going to be able to shoot through plates with steel rounds (obvious bs)

                i think infantry is going to be shoehorned more and more into the close assault role compared to anything else as very low cost autonomous explosive weapons take over the rest of the battlefield. so when is AP going to make a difference at all... it seems more relevant in taking fleeting shots at infantry from 150 meters away where you may only get 1 round engagement vs rounding a corner in a trench and putting 16 rounds into someones hips

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm shocked more people aren't mad about this.
                The unfortunate truth about underbidding and fudging is that it works anon. I've seen it a lot. Companies do it because it works. People see the headline numbers, company wins the bid, and then very few of us pay attention to anything that comes after. Most people seem to just assume that all the drama is the bidding and competition process, and then whoever wins delivers exactly that at the stated cost (lol!).

                Big price changes and long enough delays can eventually get noticed, but bullshit like Sig's is a nerd thing. And even then there is a certain degree of outrage exhaustion. For those who considered the entire NGSW competition badly timed, poorly designed, and so-so executed from the get-go at some point it's kinda like
                >"well sure, of course they're fricking us more, so it goes, nothing we can do about it at this point"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who even gets that stuff? I've never heard anyone in the field say they were issued M993 or M995 ammunition.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You have to go back awhile in the budget documents to even find the last year we procured M993/M995. We probably still have a few million rounds of each in storage for potential use, but I can't imagine we have ever issued it in massive quantities. It was too fricking expensive.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >$21.47
                >53,000 rounds set to be delivered this month
                > Soldiers are expected to carry 140 rounds when equipped with the M7
                >if someone were to theoretically give a soldier all 140 rounds of this "Special Purpose" ammo, it would be $2940 worth of ammo alone.

                Shiggy diggy, that's a spicy meatball.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >m shocked more people aren't mad about this.
                First batches of the m855a1 where $1. Dr Roberts was shititng on m855a1 in all internet corners...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                By my guesstimates comparing to 7.62x52 6.8 delivers 1.5 times more energy per bullet area at 400 yards, 2 times more at 800 yards, and same energy at 500 yards as 7.62 does at 200 yards. So yeah it fits "penetrate advanced Russian level 6 gost armor at 500 yards". (With tungsten core).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shame that the tungsten AP ammo is 2300cpr and "peer body armor" basically doesn't exist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Gost class 6 is rated against steel core 54r, basically the same as nij level 4. Obviously tungsten will penetrate it, even tungsten .308 would.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                When tungsten .308 does it at 200 yards, 6.8 does it 500 yards, all according to plan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Body armor was the cope after Afghanistan ended. It was range before that. And back in Iraq era the program was called ICSR and it was about full boomer stoppan power. What united these different rationalizations was a bureaucratic demand for bigger bore bullets.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So why do the bureaucrats want bigger bullet? That seems like a very unga-bunga thing for desk jockeys to want.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They were boomers who grew up on WW2 era firearms culture (which came from Boer War era ideas about rifle tactics) and despised the M16. NGSW was the last boomer-controlled program. Now Gen X is taking over the top management positions.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do the new plastic bullets actually do as promised?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Only the cases are Plastic. Not like they're going up against magneto.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Brass wanted a new rifle that could pierce body armor in case the unthinkable happened and we had to fight China/Russia.
        .277 Sig can't pierce armor an any meaningful distance, RU Granit plates are resistant to M80a1, I have seen a RMA plate resist M80A1 at 3030fps.
        Even if .277 Could pierce a Granit+Kevlar at say 100 yards it would be trivial to reinforce that plate to reduce that range to 50 yards and then you're in grenade range so AP capabilities are much less relevant.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Firearm tech just hasn't advanced enough for the MHS or NGSW to make sense, but if anything deserved to win it was the RM277—.270 Win firepower in a gun as controllable as an SMG and as short as an M4, with a suppressor, with 70% the weight of a comparable .308 loadout, is no joke if you're willing to commit to that kind of system weight and total ammo capacity penalty.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >as controllable as an SMG
        Maybe if that SMG is some crude copy of the Thompson with the stock removed. Do you think this gun runs on some sort of space magic?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Your mom is as controllable as a BBC.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, because nobody has ever made an automatic firearm that reduces felt recoil to below what's typical for the cartridge.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I get the idea but thinking it is going to have the recoil of a good 9mm SMG is just as delusional as those guys who say the FG-42 had less recoil than the M16.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unironically yes.
          The RM277 was the only rifle of the last 3 that featured any kind of recoil mitigation system.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It also suffered from horrible trigger problems that would make it useless at extreme range, something the army PROBABLY wanted if they designed a round for 800m shots.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I have no doubt that the trigger could be improved, but the fact of the matter is the entire design philosophy for the program is flawed.
              Still the recoil reduction of the RM277 is really cool.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Frankly that's not hard to work on if the army cared about it, there are lots of proven excellent triggers for bullpups at this point. They just didn't care for the selection stage or maybe at all for initial production.

              But I agree with

              I have no doubt that the trigger could be improved, but the fact of the matter is the entire design philosophy for the program is flawed.
              Still the recoil reduction of the RM277 is really cool.

              , although on top I think the timing of the whole program is off. We're in a big jump forward in technology, with serious smart guns, wearable displays and so on coming fast. Now is definitely not the time to pick a rifle for the next few decades.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I get the idea but thinking it is going to have the recoil of a good 9mm SMG is just as delusional as those guys who say the FG-42 had less recoil than the M16.

          Watch the video you moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hate to break it to you but some people are good at handling the recoil of even a weapon that kicks like a mule. I've seen people manage an M14 on full-auto not too bad.
            I'm sure they did what they could to minimize felt recoil but it is still a hotly loaded full-power rifle cartridge. Physics still gets to have a word. The recoil may not even be that bad but it is still not going to be on the level of a good 5.56mm rifle let alone a good 9mm submachine gun. And in case you forgot these Youtube stars get the chances to shoot this stuff because they serve to shill the product. They damn well are going to try and make it seem like the biggest improvement in firearms since smokeless powder, because that's how it all works.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I miss the old GT,
    Chair Force patrol GT,
    tripgay with soul GT,
    set on his goals GT.
    I hate the new GT,
    the 'roid abuse GT,
    cheat on his boo GT,
    clickbait YouTube GT.
    I miss the sweet GT,
    advice for NEETs GT,
    I gotta to say, at that time I'd like to meet GT.
    See I invented GT,
    it wasn't any GTs,
    and now I look and look around and there's so many GTs!
    I used to love GT,
    I used to love GT,
    I even had the Multicam
    I thought I was GT!
    What if GT made a vid about GT?
    Called "I Miss The Old GT,"
    man that would be so GT!
    That's all it was GT,
    we still love GT,
    and I love you like GT,
    loves GT.

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Someday there will be a bullpup on the civilian market without a massive flaw. Just not today…

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The AUG already exists.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >new production stocks still cracking
        >radio silence from steyr

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've only seen one post-2020 stock crack and it was at the sling attachment pin, not the takedown bar.
          COVID-related, non-issue (if you shoot the gun)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      X95?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        maybe if you could adjust the gas system

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most civilians aren’t going to be using the thing suppressed.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Most civilians aren’t going to be using the thing suppressed.
            That may start to change if approval times stay at <1 week. Which I honestly hadn't really thought about until just now, but if suppressors explode in popularity I could see that being a new design and buying consideration in guns.

            At the same time though flow cans lower back pressure so much while still providing good performance that highly adjustable gas systems might also become less important. It'll be interesting how that all gets balanced out, and whether there are any design changes that might go at the gas face problem a different way as well. Like, ejection port is the main point, but what about a design like the F2000 where stuff comes out the front?

            So yeah, honestly it all has me excited.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's state dependant naturally

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s 2024, everyone has a can.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It's 2024, every leviathan mouthpiece I have a parasocial relationship with has a can.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                post can

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      K and M Arms M17S

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called the VHS-2

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I love the gun, but hate that homosexual "guntuber." Guess I hope the video gets some interest in the rifle, but I'll never watch that queer's content

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    shit slapped in warzone.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poor accuracy and poor trigger not great tbh within the goals of this program, add to this the other issues of Bullpups and the underwhelming SAW and it becomes understandable why it was passed over.

    The next gen optic would finally allow the typical infantryman to outshoot the traditional 4-6 MOA, junk trigger service rifle.
    It may be a dumb decision, but the overriding logic of the programme was to extend the range of the squad, and this weapon would be worse at making long ranged semi-auto shots than the Sig option.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you perhaps a moronic tourist anon?
      >Poor accuracy
      2-4moa is right down the average for military service rifles of every kind worldwide. The spear does the same or worse. For better or worse this just isn't how the military has decided stuff and they didn't specify better. According to the video it was still extremely controllable and pleasant in full auto as well.
      >poor trigger
      Mushy, mediocre-by-civ-standards triggers are again standard in military guns, like, forever. Grunts make it work. Maybe it would have been improved somewhat in production but it wasn't something specified.

      Realize that at least in theory these competitions are supposed to be very strictly about what are in the procurement specifications.
      >and this weapon would be worse at making long ranged semi-auto shots than the Sig option.
      No, it literally would not anon. You are just pulling shit out of your ass.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Spear is sub 2 MOA and it doesn't have a shit trigger, so no actually I am not pulling it out of my ass.
        The RM-277 barrel moves around so it's pretty easy to see why it would inherently have fairly pedestrian accuracy.

        >4 MOA and shit triggers are normal on service rifles

        Yes and it's not normal for service rifles to hit targets repeatedly at 600-800m, which is what is possible with this round + the optic and the entire point of the program, hence my entire point in the original post that you seemed to completely ignore.

        You can definitely argue that this range overmatch goal is stupid and shouldn't take precedence over volume of fire at shorter range.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're lying to yourself so much. Shit trigger plus 4 MOA at best plus 20 rounds for an LMG meant this gun would always lose to Sig's tack driver and beltfed combo.

          Now tell us the accuracy on the M250

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're lying to yourself so much. Shit trigger plus 4 MOA at best plus 20 rounds for an LMG meant this gun would always lose to Sig's tack driver and beltfed combo.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >2-4 moa
          Stop being obtuse.

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It truly was the best option, what a damn shame

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I hate it when engineers don't properly design bullpup triggers because mechanically speaking there is no reason the bad bullpup trigger cannot be solved. Does it require a bit of thinking and design work? Yes. Is it difficult? NO.

    I can see from the mag release that they managed to use pivots and levers for that which results in low friction compared to sliding so they clearly know a thing or two about engineering so why the bad trigger?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Part of the RM277s issue in particular could be its ability to select either open or closed bolt operation, its hard to tell where the root of the issue could be here without knowing exactly how the trigger works.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because triggers don't fricking matter. If all you want is to make C-zone hits at less than 1000 yards, almost every part of the system matters more than the trigger.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        on a 2-4 MOA gun you can't have a trigger with like 10-15mm of mush AND an open bolt AND a reciprocating barrel, AND expect accuracy at range.

        The SIG gun was by far superior for long range shooting, and even its trigger isn't AMAZING, but its miles beyond the trigger on the RM277.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are bullpup sniper rifles out there. Trigger is not the problem for a while.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >that ballistics gel test
    Holy fricking shit man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      For a second I thought the ballistics gel was going to rip itself in half. Crazy how it returns to normal even after practically being turned inside out

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    GT tricked me into buying this muzzle device. Haven't seen a KAC suppressor in stock for years. curse you GT.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you legitimately moronic?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        maybe

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry I vowed to never watch another GT video after he uploaded a vid dedicated to sucking off IDF terrorists

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      who cares

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wouldn't support an e-celeb if they went around sucking off North Korea, why should they get a pass because the wieners being sucked are circumcised?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine caring this much about sand people

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        supporting israel has only literally ever had negative consequences for the US, and only has continued support because moron American evangelicals believe da jooz have to make a new temple so jesus will return (Biblical source: they made it the frick up)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Death to muslims. Simple as.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who the frick cares? Do you think buying the Arab's oil and turning the Saudis from a bunch of sand farmers and goat shepherds into a bunch of moronic princes funding radical interpretations of Islam has benefited America? But it happened. Israel happened. The moronic US attempt to democratize the Middle East happened. Nobody cares about how badly you want to nuke the israelites that I have no doubt you are absolutely obsessed with. Nobody should care about what the sand peoples are doing to each one of the wars they are obligated to have every couple of years.

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >didn't fill the cinder block with concrete
    ??
    whats the point of shooting them
    you could stick your finger through one of those blocks

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This man actually said "based" in the video. Is that the reason why people who didn't own guns before 2016 adore this channel? He helps newbies feel like they belong?

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Seems like the army is absolutely moronic and unable to purchase a good rifle.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hate to say it but sig had the better lmg. regardless of what the army claimed everyone knew they cared about the lmg the most, wanted belt even if they claimed 20 rnds was enough, etc. real problem was bundling shit vs separate tracks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the belt fed by sig is great - they'd already been using that gun in 338 lap, but like I said, army and buying good rifles seems anathema to them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well since it was all bundled sig knew they could do a shit service rifle so long as the lmg was the best

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which goes totally counter to the Army contract requirements which specifically says the rifle was more important to selection than the "automatic rifle" (what you're calling the LMG, but the requirements document don't call it that).

            If the rifle was more important than the automatic rifle, why did the automatic rifle end up being the deciding factor?

            It's just bullshit excuses to give the contract to SIG at the end of the day.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            their stupid belt fed didn't even fit the qualifications of the automatic rifle excepting for that the US military is moronic and bought light machine guns for "automatic riflemen" in the past. Sig's rifle isn't just a little bit shit, it's beyond dogshit, it's an embarrassment and will get the m14 treatment as soon as anyone has to actually use it in combat.

            It's like the meme's say, this dumbass rifle has secured M4 in space.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But ultimately the Army can define an automatic rifle as whatever they want. The SAW program very much wanted belt-feed. The only magazine-fed entry in the program wasn't particularly impressive to them and never really had a chance. The other three entries were belt-fed.
              If you think the Army still deciding to use the nomenclature of "automatic rifleman" is moronic I regret to inform you of the great many far more moronic things the Army has done, especially in more recent years.
              If the GD/TV fanboys want to claim "they didn't know the Army wanted belt-fed" those fanboys are also moronic. They surely knew the Army was leaning towards belt-fed but went with the alternative and tried to convince them, which clearly didn't work. And while Marines might praise the M27 IAR I think the Army was right about that one specific aspect of the program. But pretty much everything else is just fricked.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If the Army wanted belt-fed, they should've asked for it. If they cared that much about the automatic rifle, they shouldn't have explicitly stated that it was a lower priority than the rifle.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean the Army was inconsistent with their handling of a procurement program? I can't believe something like this would happen. What shocking news.
                I see the whole NGSW program as a disaster at this point besides for the fancy optic that will hopefully find its way onto other weapons. Maybe someone competent could salvage a good DMR and LMG from this train wreck but that almost certainty won't happen. It will probably all be cancelled and small arms technology will stagnate once again as the Army keeps using the same M4 for another 30 years. All because they want some huge leap forward instead of a more incremental improvement over existing small arms.
                Some people are trying to make the GD/TV rifle some sort of FG-42 wunderwaffe that will be treated as some legendary thing for years to come. But if we're being honest about everything it was also compromised by moronic requirements like every other weapon in this program. If anything the Textron design had the most potential purely due to the CT ammo but it would appear they weren't able to refine the design into what the Army thinks it wants. Which is a shame because some of their previous efforts like LSAT were quite promising, and then disregarded to go forward with this mess of a program.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                1. The NGSW, as adopted, is just an incremental step forward. A real revolution in infantry small arms would be a Squad Designated Grenade launcher like the XM25 CDTE from...a decade and a half ago. The XM7, minus the aimbot scope, could probably have been designed and fielded in the 1950s if anybody had really wanted to.
                2. The GD/TV bullpup was the objectively correct choice, but the functional benefits of the rifle itself and the meme benefits of America adopting a bullpup in a full-power rifle round at the same time that the rest of NATO has mostly come around to the 5.56 AR are only secondary—the real benefit is granting an economy of scale to polymer-cased ammo that can be manufactured in-theatre with tooling that will fit comfortably in the back of existing cargo aircraft rather than needing to be assembled on one side of the world and shipped to the other, with all the logistical hassle that entails, and passing the associated weight savings on to every weapon system in inventory.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not to mention the ammo is largely backwards comparable with existing inventory allowing all the other guns in inventory to share in the benefit with a re chamber or without one

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the .277 TV ammo working as intended in existing .308 guns with just a barrel swap is (or at least would've been) kind of a big deal.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You don't even need a barrel swap. The polymer case tech works fine in existing guns, see

                https://i.imgur.com/I52fy4o.jpg

                24 a box honestly isn't that horrible for meme 5.56

                . The CT design and SIG's pissing hot hand loaded pipebomb are completely incompatible with existing firearms

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A real revolution in infantry small arms would be a Squad Designated Grenade launcher like the XM25
                Not really. You're lying to yourself if you truly believe 25mm airburst would be better than 84mm airburst from a carl gustav, which is what's replacing the XM25.

                Https://www.military.com/video/explosions/airburst/carl-gustav-airburst-round-in-iraq/1123685515001

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As a rifle replacement that doesn't care about armor or cover against point targets out to 6-800m, yes, the system weight and ammo carriage penalties associated with an 84mm launcher make it a total non-starter.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really. A soldier with an M4 and a CG and a squad shared ammo loadout that includes tandem HEAT, airburst and bunker buster is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 25mm airburst with no M4.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think you understand; the point of the 25mm is shooting *people*, not tanks or bunkers. It's there to delete a specific guy over there and everyone within a 5m radius of him, not for blowing up the vehicle engine block he's hiding behind. It's a replacement for the SDM role, not for light anti-armor options like the AT4.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nobody wants that in lieu of an M4 (soldiers defied orders to take the xm25 over an M4 and that made the project get cancelled because the brass realised it was a bad idea), and CG airburst can do that too.

                Having a portable airburst artillery weapon on demand >>>> 25mm pussyweak airburst.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody wants that in lieu of an M4 (soldiers defied orders to take the xm25 over an M4
                You're a lying homosexual, the 101st Airborne loved the XM25 and used it as a replacement for an M4 in a squad. The project got cancelled because HK refused to deliver the guns and the 75th Rangers didn't want to take them after a soldier got wounded by an out of battery detonation of a case (but not the grenade) from a double feed.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah, it was because nobody liked it. Look it up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're a moron and a liar. have a nice day.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It seems to me that an 84mm shell for a recoilless rifle and a 25mm grenade represent two rather different things. How many 84mm shells total would a gunner and his assistant carry?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/43ZFYIw.png

                If the Army wanted belt-fed, they should've asked for it. If they cared that much about the automatic rifle, they shouldn't have explicitly stated that it was a lower priority than the rifle.

                This 'the trial was really a MG trial' only ever came about after SIG won. It's just a desperate front to make it look like SIG had any legitimate claim at winning

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    have they considered just getting an m16?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's too long for soldiers accustomed to the M4 to accept and it doesn't give Sig any money.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It's too long
        have you seen the sig spear?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          OAL 35", just like an M4
          totally acceptable

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yea but we already figured out we can shorten the m16. not to mention its cost effective and we wouldn't have to change the ammo

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But the M4 is already a shortened M16, I'm not certain what you're going with here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you could use the colt 933 or the cqbr. the Olympic arms k23b

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There is something really fricked up about these complaints that the M16 is too long and some huge cumbersome rifle. I wonder what the people saying that would think if they had to carry a M14 or M1 Garand around. The NGSW being a few inches longer would be entirely worth it if it meant they could reduce the chamber pressure somewhat and still get the same velocity.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, for most of the 20th century the M16 would've been a "carbine" in its own right.

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want one of these in .308 very badly

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