Gripen program hasn't had a single foreign sale since 2014

Ukraine War happens, and they STILL haven't sent a single plane when their program faces extinction? What is Saab thinking?

It's a weapons sale bonanza in Ukraine, and STILL the weapons company hesitates?! You are squandering your LAST chance to save the Gripen, Sweden! Get off your lazy ass!

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who's griping about Gripen?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The outgoing president of Saab

      https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/saab-ceo-frustrated-at-slow-pace-of-gripen-sales

      >Saab's president and CEO, Micael Johansson, has told reporters of his ‘extreme frustration' at the lack of recent sales of the company's Gripen combat aircraft.

      >Speaking to Janes and other defence media at the company's Stockholm headquarters on 26 August, Johansson conceded that the single-engined ‘Euro-canard' had struggled to meet the export expectations that his predecessors had laid out for the multirole fighter, saying that this was not a reflection on the quality of the aircraft, but was down to politics.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then what the fuck is his excuse for NOT helping Ukraine?

        Ukraine isn't in the mood to be particularly picky about weapons right now. They're in full attack mode. They're gonna want planes to blow up Russians with.

        Show some fucking initiative Sweden and throw caution to the wind.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I guess the decision to help Ukraine required some balls and it was just that neither the company's management nor the country's leadership found them

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It really is stupid, especially since one of the Gripen's biggest selling points is its ability to land just about anywhere and be easily refueled and rearmed in a very short timeframe. You know, attributes that the Ukrainians would love to have. Doubt we'd block the sale as well

        Hoes mad his bribery didn't work. Next time make a better plane or at least one that's cheap enough to sell to anyone

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sweden should just go for it already. There is ZERO reason not to help.

          Ukraine needs the assistance, the plane works, and the company needs money.

          Saab must be run by idiots.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ukraine wasn't paying for weapons...

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They are in fact given direct donations of cash for buying any weapons they want to buy on the free market. It's not all equipment donations.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No but aircraft are slated to be donated. Ukraine are going to be getting older block f16s for free which will likely keep them coming to Lockheed for parts and maintainence for the next 20 years.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sweden:

                Only focus is to bring in more illegal immigrants to push up those rape statistics and violent crimes.

                0 government support for swedish business interests worldwide.

                High taxes for businesses makes production expensive. Because the government dosen't care swedish logistics costs are high.
                No matter can just rise taxes more to pay for more gibs to the new Africans and Islamic free homes.

                Cuck and feminist goverment that makes it hard on its own businesses when they are not Politically correct.

                Sweden is literally what the US is made fun about but in real life.

                Who wants to buy military equipment from a country that is so cucked that they might stop sales, repairs and spares of you are actually involved in a war?

                Nobody. The Germans also suffer from the same issue but at least they can still make some impressive equipment and still ride on their WW2 High quality German engineering meme.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's tiny, underpowered and people still think of the original Gripen, which was a POS

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/6aS8Sny.png

          The outgoing president of Saab

          https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/saab-ceo-frustrated-at-slow-pace-of-gripen-sales

          >Saab's president and CEO, Micael Johansson, has told reporters of his ‘extreme frustration' at the lack of recent sales of the company's Gripen combat aircraft.

          >Speaking to Janes and other defence media at the company's Stockholm headquarters on 26 August, Johansson conceded that the single-engined ‘Euro-canard' had struggled to meet the export expectations that his predecessors had laid out for the multirole fighter, saying that this was not a reflection on the quality of the aircraft, but was down to politics.

          They should be dumping some on Ukraine for everyone to see how well they do. Or dont do. That would stimulate sales.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can't dump a 4gen+ to a country, anon. Most people don't get it. Ukraine pilots trained in Soviet-style fighters like Su-27 and Mig29. It took months for a pilot to get familiar with a different fighter, much less than Nato vs Soviet style layout. Even if they are able to do it in a few months, the results are an inexperienced pilot. You definitely don't want him out there in enemy ADS. Then stuff like modifying the IFF for Gripen so Ukraine ADS knows it was friendly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Euro-canard
        The glasses plain girl of aircraft designs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If he was smart they'd be going all in on trying to get Ukraine to buy something

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's a really poor CEO. Ukraine is a no brainer.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Gripen-chan will never do combined air missions with F-35-chan
        >she'll never get to launch from a NATO carrier
        >not even Canada wants her any more

        it hurts my heart to know how fucking shit at everything she is

        maybe she can be an interim placeholder when the F-16 gets replaced eventually

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>she'll never get to launch from a NATO carrier

          Brazil is deadset on building a high end carrier and wants a navalized Gripen. They're the only LATIN American country with both the wealth and willpower to do so which means we actually might see a navalized Gripen happen but it'll be extremely niche and probably less than 30 will ever exist. Also if Russia does try any seriously dumb shit in the Baltic

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They sold their foch a few years ago and they've only got a second hand ocean class left.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Brazil already has a fund of $119 billion dedicated, appropriated, budgeted and approved for their naval acquisitions through the next decade and a half. This includes a nuclear carrier. They were originally offered the rights to clone the Charles de Gaulle with an option for a nuclear or conventionally powered model, but they got this new budget approved so they're going to go with a domestic design that will have a nuclear plant based on the reactors from their Alvaro class nuclear subs which are currently being built. It will still probably use a lot of French tech.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why french nuke tech, though?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Brazilians are not going with French nuclear tech. The Brazilians were offered the designs for the nuclear powered Charles de Gaulle, but are instead opting to build their own carrier design using some French parts and utilizing Brazilian nuclear tech from the ongoing Brazilian nuclear sub program. Brazil is fairly advanced in that field.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >made in sweden
        >50% of parts made in the US and 25% made from other european countries

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/yxYULS5.jpg

        the swedish airforce is already too small as it is why the fuck would they send planes to ukraine? Saab does not own these personally and the government isnt in the buisness of shilling jets.
        Besides only sending a few is probably not worth the logistics and it would likely take half a year or more to train the pilots anyway.

        whats with these idiotic takes, i thought PrepHole knew or cared about military tech, this is like something a child would propse

        Unlike other countries, Sweden government doesn't help to sell the Gripen. Imagine how well it would do if the govt helps. NLAW and CV90 sell decently.
        afaik USA stopped a Gripen sale to India cos most of the electronics are made in USA.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >USA stopped a Gripen sale to India cos most of the electronics are made in USA
          I don't recall SAAB advertising Gripen to India as they already have HAL Tejas in that position?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also I know traditionally some countries have been reluctant to purchase Swedish equipment because the Swedish government have a history of cutting off spares and replacements for political reasons, and since the Swedes are bleeding heart socialist liberals, it really doesn't take much.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            t. Swede
            Yeah, pretty much this. It kind of sucks to deal with Swedes in the international arena. I'm sorry we're such a shitty country.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Swedish government have a history of cutting off spares and replacements
            Do you have any examples?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Off the top of my head I remember a few years ago they refused to allow an arms sale to the Saudis, think it had to do with some womens rights bullshit. Also while not exactly high tech there is the example of them absolutely losing their shit when they found out that the US was using Carl Gustav subguns in vietnam, and refusing further sales. There is also a general perception of the Swedes as being a potentially unreliable source of arms which has scared off various potential buyers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is also a general perception of the Swedes as being a potentially unreliable source of arms which has scared off various potential buyers.
                And it was true

                Here, let me tell the tale of how Gripen failed for Vietnam.
                >Mig-21 is due to decommissioned in 2015-2016.
                >Quick guy, we need a replacement, a similar single-engine fighter for air superiority roles. No more Su-30MK2 because it was maintaine hog with two engines and big-ass RCS, also diversify from Russia-source because of China.
                >Looks up, see both F-16s and Gripen were good replacement for old Mig-21
                >F-16s fall through at that time because lack of support from the US (US still has arms embargo on Vietnam, only lift it in May 2016, no doubt comes from talks regard of F-16s for Vietnam)
                >Turn to Gripen and receive good reception overall with Saab (you saw news surfaced about Vietnam wanting to buy Gripen around that time ~2016)
                >Relationship between Vietnam and Sweden is good with long tier since Vietnam War, support Vietnam and such, almost sign MoU on Gripen
                >Turn out the Sweden friend has become even more leftist, champion of the minority and human rights even more than US, to the point of insanity.
                >Pull back the deal cause Vietnam has 54 minor ethics. Realize a 80 million worth fighter x 12 could become hangar queens if 1 of those 54 minor ethics cry loud enough.

                Vietnam wasted years and still hasn't got a replacement for their Mig-21 yet despite all of Mig-21 already decommissioned. But it turns out a blessing in disguise.
                US-Vietnam relationship now is now warmming, Vietnam has an order of 12 T-6 Texan II incoming. From T-6 trainer to F-16 will be easy. Vietnam could look for F-16s 2nd from Israel since Israel start to replace them with F-35. Vietnam already has a number of Python-5 and Derby missiles from the SPYDER purchase.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Vietnam will get F-16s from Uncle Sam
                >Vietnam will become the next eastern allies of America
                What a time to be alive

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hit the character limit, continue

                Another potential replacement for Vietnam's Mig-21 is FA-50 block 20 from South Korea. The relationship between Vietnam and South Korea is very high. South Korea going to receive an upgrade to put it on the same level as Russia, China, India. A "comprehensive strategic partnership" tier with Vietnam is very big and no doubt a push for more South Korea weapon deals between the two countries. South Korea already supplied some navy ships and engines for Vietnam VCM-01 cruise missiles, TOT too.

                Basically, the Vietnam case was the same around the world. Countries with good relations with Uncle Sam will buy F-16s. 3rd world countries with bad relations with Uncle Sam, thanks to the indecision now can turn to South Korea for its FA-50 block 20.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Minor ethics? Do you mean like, minor ethnic groups?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gripen
    >no Grip allowed
    No wonder they don't sell

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What is Saab thinking?
    Liquidating all of its current business.
    >It's a weapons sale bonanza in Ukraine, and STILL the weapons company hesitates?!
    They tried to sell JAS-39C/D to Malaysia but failed and lost to FA-50 block 20.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Malaysia is a shithole and a joke of a country

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Right, but they still pay you good.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Malaysia is the only reliable US ally in SEA. It's have been proven that every US armament sold to Singapore ended up in the hand of PRC for some mysterious reason, yet US still fellate city port of Chinkapore. Indonesia and Philippines are useless and Mainland SEA might as well be Chink's puppets.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At this point this has to be a bot constantly looking for malaysia mentions.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I dont believe malays are smart enough to make bots. Maybe it's just retarded malaysians randomly browsing? You can always try asking the poster random questions that a bot probably isn't programmed for and see if they respond. I'll try.

            Malaysia is the only reliable US ally in SEA. It's have been proven that every US armament sold to Singapore ended up in the hand of PRC for some mysterious reason, yet US still fellate city port of Chinkapore. Indonesia and Philippines are useless and Mainland SEA might as well be Chink's puppets.

            In Malaysia, what does 2 divided by 3 equal?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That answers the question I suppose.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >In Malaysia, what does 2 divided by 3 equal?
              GLORIOUS NIPPON

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Despite the fact that Malaysia is a larger and more strategically important country when it comes to countering the PRC in the South China Sea, the US ... has chosen to favor Singapore diplomatically and arm it with latest equipment like F-35 and HIMARS and give them basing rights in Guam. While Malaysia's armed forces facing budgetary constraints and have not been able to take delivery of Littoral Combat Ships ordered 10 years ago and are still unfinished. Yet US only provides token assistance to Malaysia such as donating maritime surveillance radar and MPAs. Just because Malaysia in the past adopted a principled neutral stance and refuse to support illegal US war in Iraq, Israeli occupation of Palestine and condemn Russian war in Ukraine.

          Ironically, Singapore are nothing but a Chinese bitch . Just another Chinese province. Don't agree? Just look at who in charge of Singapore Armed Forces. It is only a matter of time before Singapore delivers complete example of the F-35 to China.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Ironically, Singapore are nothing but a Chinese bitch . Just another Chinese province. Don't agree? Just look at who in charge of Singapore Armed Forces.
            You might want to look up the military of Taiwan.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That guy is a troll but Singapore have been playgrounds and Tax haven for PRC billionaires. Also unlike Taiwan who is in constant threat of war by PRC, Singapore is still neutral with PRC.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I dunno why that guy is pretending Singaporeans wouldn't go pro china given the opportunity. The Chinese are very tribal like that, even the ones living in other countries like Singapore or Malaysia

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I thought Mainlanders and SEA diasporas doesn't exactly see eye-to-eye on many things.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Insect would never stray from their main hive. Taiwan is different because they saw themselves as true heir of China and mainland want to kill them. SEA chink however, are worried that native SEA might try to kill them. So they view PRC as potential protector of chinkdom.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Singapore will bend over for China the moment they ask. I am still surprised at how many people are unaware that the ethnic Han Chinese Singapore people have 100% loyalty to China. Singaporeans are Chinese in the end. They'll co-operate with the CCP if given a better offer. That's Chinese for you, switching morals based on opportunity.

              I lived in the region for 20 years including 10 in Singapore and the amount of ingrained anti-white racism and hate of the west in every citizen is palpable. I have zero doubts Singapore will side with CCP in the inevitable war.

              Not to mention the entire country was built and financed with CCP resources. If a foreigner is born in Singapore the Singapore govt will immediately grant 3 citizenships to mainland Chinese to maintain the race balance. The big 4 families that built Singapore were all CCP members.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you the retard who claims singapore gave china one whole F35?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He's not wrong, fuckeyes. My experience with Singaporians is that they are barely more trustworthy than Mainland Chinks. The 4 qty order is a giveaway:

                1 for the PLAAF labs for study
                1 for their own labs for study
                1 for sending on exercises with international "allies".
                1 for domestic use to "show" the taxpayers.

                Nothing good will come of this.
                >t. Shitposting Ausfag.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This is accurate. Quantity of four is a dead give away. Do people think Singapore might be planning to use FOUR jets to repel a Chinese invasion? Get real.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Enough of your shitpost, Malaysia military review gay. Your obsession with Singapore and spam this copypasta every time Singapore's F35 got mentioned.

                Aussie my ass. Everyone who had worked with Singaporeans knows Singaporeans cunts hate mainland chinks as fuck. Of course, chinks espionage happened in every place with a lot of Chinese-Han ethics. Heck, your Malay cunts even have more pro-CCP gays than Singapore

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >t. sneaky australian chink

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >M346
      Isn't that the italian trainer jet? Is the gripen so shit that it's comparable to a trainer jet?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Is the gripen so shit that it's comparable to a trainer jet?
        No, just retard Malay cunts that included every light fighter/trainer out there. Even L-39 bro got dragged in.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be me
    >Saab Investor
    >Saab Starts a 4.5 gen new fighter program
    >they market it as a 5 gen jet though
    >they make it more expensive than a 5 gen jet
    >everyone buys the f-35 due to superior capabilities at a lower cost
    >never sell a single one of their own planes
    >Me and fellow investor bros absolutely seething
    >suddenly new war start-up in europe
    >Ukies need fighters and will take whatever
    >all investor bros are high on hopium and thinking "kek surely Saab CEO will capitalize on this opportunity to advertise the Gripen"
    >CEO invites all investors to a meeting at Saab HQ
    >kek surely hes gona bring us good news about giving ukraine Gripens
    >Arrive at meeting
    >During Entire meeting CEO rambles about how it isnt his fault the Gripen isnt getting sold and that its all due to politics and American Bribes that the jet isnt getting sold
    >he never even mentions Ukraine once
    >he leaves before we can even say anything back
    >Mfw

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you had any sense you would've stopped being a Saab investor around the time they sold their car brand to GM

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        didnt even know that but cool info I can use against Saab shills

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah such a bad idea selling a division that NEVER made any profit at all regardless of owner.

        Switzerland would have bought the Gripen but their greens pushed a referendum to bar the military from buying the Gripen specifically. Now they're probably going to buy the F35 and the greens are trying the same thing again.

        It became aimed at the Gripen but really they tried to stop getting a new fighter jet altogether.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not that it was a bad idea, just that it seems like when a company massively reduces their portfolio its not usually a sign things are going well

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No its a sign the company isn't being run by retards.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just that it seems like when a company massively reduces their portfolio its not usually a sign things are going well
            Yeah, things were going poorly. For the car maker. Which is why they sold it. But sure, a willingness to get rid of white elephants is obviously a really bad sign that should scare off investors in a hurry.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Saab the defense company were minority partner in their own automotive division from late 60's, main owner of the car manufacturer was truck, bus and other heavy vehicle manufacturer Scania. They made the call sell cars to GM, that mismanaged the company and brand badly. Saabs response was equally autistic, they basically re-engineered everything in Opel platforms and engines they had now access to... to degree where parts commonality was becoming bit theoretical. Last real Saabs were produced in 1994 when original 900 went out of production. 9000 was always fucking FIAT. Everything after those were modified Opels. For more GM incompetence, they probably shot themselves into foot big time when they sold Opel to Peugeot. Pretty much everything good GM has produced last couple decades that is not Corvette and smaller than full size Burger landbarge was and still might be based Opel designed platforms. More recent funny thing is Peugeot merging with FIAT. With Stellantis we are starting to reach company size that almost guarantees good old GM levels of bad management.

        Switzerland would have bought the Gripen but their greens pushed a referendum to bar the military from buying the Gripen specifically. Now they're probably going to buy the F35 and the greens are trying the same thing again.

        They didn't specifically vote against Gripen. They voted for cancelling F-5 replacement, that Gripen had already been selected for by Swiss defense staff it was only contender that fit into their budget. Swiss air force evaluation team recommended Rafale, but that was so expensive it would have raped Swiss army procurement for years to come. When it comes to greens, they are basically commies with some environmentalist surface treatment. Modern greens have basically disowned all old school environmentalist hardliners like Linkola and uncle Ted.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >When it comes to greens, they are basically commies
          Green is just unripe red after all.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't Saab make the AT-4? They're probably doing alright all things considered.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Saab makes everything from aircraft to submarines. Theyre doing fine, and they have work ahead of them with the Swedish acquisition of gripens, globaleyes etc.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That would be the best marketing campaign in the MIC history. Imagine how much hype they could generate by all the videos of successful sorties. It would be HIMARS multiplied by 10.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Switzerland would have bought the Gripen but their greens pushed a referendum to bar the military from buying the Gripen specifically. Now they're probably going to buy the F35 and the greens are trying the same thing again.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the fuck are the Greens doing? They are killing Swedish jobs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What the fuck are the Greens doing
        Greens are consistently across the board the worst parties around regardless of country.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Switzerland would have bought the Gripen
      Cut the crap, Rafale was supposed to win, twice

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >F35
      Already in switzerland and finalized. Italy will build them for us. Nothing the greens can do now.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gripen is trash

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    IP Ban all FA-50 fags

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get Gripen threads on PrepHole. The plane is basically made to operate in Sweden and it's a 4.5 gen made for a small European country and was first proposed in the 1980s.
    SAAB is just the general Swedish company for weapons, they're not going anywhere even if Gripen gets replaced with a Tempest variant in a decade and a half.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make piece of shit aircraft
    >underpowered
    >overpriced
    >half as capable as the cheaper, more useful, and future proof F35
    >it doesn’t sell
    >CEO goes on a seething rampage on how it’s everyone else’s fault before he kicks the door down and leaves
    Kek fuck Saab.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >It's a weapons sale bonanza in the Balkans, and STILL the weapons company hesitates?! You are squandering your LAST chance to save the Viggen, Sweden! Get off your lazy ass!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently there were several countries that approached Sweden for the Viggen but Sweden didn't want used-Viggen sales interfering with future Gripen sales.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It takes time to train pilots on an aircraft, set up logistics, train crews, etc. The Gripen is made for exactly the situation Ukraine is in, but right now it just makes more sense to pump whatever old Soviet shit people can find in the old Eastern Block countries into Ukraine because they already know how to use that and have the spare parts for it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One of the biggest problems with Ukrainian air force has been access to spares since occupation of Crimea.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not sure setting up an entirely new line of logistics and supply on a plane nobody in Ukraine knows how to use is a good way to resolve that issue. Getting new planes is going to have to happen at some point, but it's not the priority when there are still surplus planes sitting around in neighboring countries that Ukraine is already familiar with. And when it does happen, there's a good chance it'll be old inventory that goes first that their original operators are replacing with F-35s.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The thing is the last NATO countries like Poland, Slovakia and Bulgaria that are now getting rid of their MiG-29's other commie stuff may have been expedited by the fact that ceased to get spare parts from Russia about same time Ukraine stopped as well. Both Slovakia and Bulgaria are replacing their MiG-29's with F-16V Block 72. Poles are going with F-35 and unsually large armed trainer purchase.

          Best way forward would be giving all NATO MiG-29's to Ukraine and maybe cannibalizing some of those for spares. Getting maybe a squadron or two from USAF deployed to Europe and maybe a RAF squadron bit closer to potential risk area.

          Slovakia has likely already started donating their MiG-29's to Ukraine, until their new F-16's arrive Czech, Hungarians and Polish are doing air policing in their airspace.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        New Gripens can be repaired and even upgraded with off the shelf components, that's one of he reasons Brazil bought them

        It takes time to train pilots on an aircraft, set up logistics, train crews, etc. The Gripen is made for exactly the situation Ukraine is in, but right now it just makes more sense to pump whatever old Soviet shit people can find in the old Eastern Block countries into Ukraine because they already know how to use that and have the spare parts for it.

        No but aircraft are slated to be donated. Ukraine are going to be getting older block f16s for free which will likely keep them coming to Lockheed for parts and maintainence for the next 20 years.

        this is real reason, Ukraine will be getting donated planes its already sort of familiar with and air superiority is not a pressing need for them at the moment.

        >make piece of shit aircraft
        >underpowered
        >overpriced
        >half as capable as the cheaper, more useful, and future proof F35
        >it doesn’t sell
        >CEO goes on a seething rampage on how it’s everyone else’s fault before he kicks the door down and leaves
        Kek fuck Saab.

        The only thing the Gripen lacks is fuel capacity for long range. In every other way, it is a better and much less expensive plane than the Fat Amy

        https://i.imgur.com/3JDffl3.gif

        Ukraine War happens, and they STILL haven't sent a single plane when their program faces extinction? What is Saab thinking?

        It's a weapons sale bonanza in Ukraine, and STILL the weapons company hesitates?! You are squandering your LAST chance to save the Gripen, Sweden! Get off your lazy ass!

        The ultimate truth is that the Gripen isn't selling because Sweden doesn't support, fund and push its military industries abroad, it doesn't enjoy the quasi-fascist symbiotic parasite relationship Lockheed has with the US.
        retardedly expensive useless planes sell much better when your government is subsidizing 3/4 of the costs and taking orders for them like Girl Scouts at every international meeting.
        Saab's headwinds are the entire US Department of Defense. Fortunately development costs on the E/F are only $10-$20m so it won't put them out of business/

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >quasi-fascist symbiotic parasite relationship Lockheed has with the US
          Then explain how any other country has managed to sell a jet if lockheed is some sort of boogeyman.
          This is peak cope and you know it. The long list of gripen failed bids show that the swede government has no issue pushing this jet, they just lack political significance and the jet sucks.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >New Gripens can be repaired and even upgraded with off the shelf components, that's one of he reasons Brazil bought them
          Sweden has excess Gripen C/D in their inventory, they offered those for free for Czech to sell spares and support for few years more, but as usual they replacing their Gripens with F-35. Another problem is ratification of Swedish NATO membership, I doubt they are willing to gamble with Russian response and monke doing monke things until their NATO membership is actually done deal. Next thing is Ukrainians are apparently already being trained for F-16's that might come from multiple sources.
          >The ultimate truth is that the Gripen isn't selling because Sweden doesn't support, fund and push its military industries abroad
          No. Ultimate truth is that getting fighters from Sweden isn't doing a favor for major power. Gripen never had economies of scale. Only new built export sales have been Brazilian deal with E/F and 30-ish planes to South Africa. Sales to Thailand were Swedish AF ordered C/D's. Hungarians and Czechs use Swedish AF owned planes under lease.

          1/2

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>The ultimate truth is that the Gripen isn't selling because Sweden doesn't support, fund and push its military industries abroad
            >No. Ultimate truth is that getting fighters from Sweden isn't doing a favor for major power.
            No shit. and it doesn't need economies of scale when its 1/4 cheaper than the F-35. Whoever buy them can ramp up any time and in any way they want, which is what Brazil is doing

            Viggen was already borderline disaster for Swedish AF, and prior to making decision to develop Gripen they seriously considered importing their next fighter, but still decided to go ahead with it. Gripen got fucked by end of Cold War fucking up economies of scale with domestic orders and released a lot of competition for export potential. That wasn't helped them having bit shitty sales team, that fucked up any chance of early export orders. Basically Saab line was to push major R&D costs to any potential buyer while also offering them R&D risks. Like double of R&D amortization over what Swedish AF was going to pay. That was on level that it made F/A-18C/D cheaper plane. That might have helped to sell Gripens to Finland and Switzerland. That sure wasn't helped by McDonnell-Douglas being dragged down by Douglas part of company. They were offering Hornet cheap to keep company afloat prior to Boeing merger. Gotta show money lenders that they are doing business. In case of Finland, the fact that state owned airline board that was a Douglas priority client and Parliamentary defense committee were like 70% match.
            2/2

            that was all 30 years ago, the Gripen E cost (relatively) almost nothing to R&D and they're selling them basically cash over the barrel.
            But as i said, and you also point out, Sweden's gov't doesn't care about selling them and nobody needs to suck up to the Swedes and make diplomatic buys.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >1/4 cheaper than the F-35.
              Citation needed.
              >Whoever buy them can ramp up any time and in any way they want, which is what Brazil is doing
              Brazil had bought Gripen E for $0.15 billion per unit and you could literally buy new F-15s with the same amount of money.
              >Gripen E cost (relatively) almost nothing to R&D and they're selling them basically cash over the barrel.
              It's cost them enough to double the price compared to the previous C version. Which eventually made it to present it to the Malaysian tender, not the latest E model, because otherwise you would be automatically disqualified for budget overrun.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >muh F-15
                F15 is not an option. Airframe too old and maintenance costs only get higher by the day.
                The FX2 project that select the Gripen for Brazil is the perfect summary of this whole situation. Any serious army will simply not buy Russo/chinkshit or a handful of jets with no tech transfer whatsoever, except if you're a micro-state somewhere in Asia or Europe.
                The only ones left are Rafale, Gripen and F16 and F18.
                Regarding FX2, F16 was left out due to politics, F15 was to much of a fatso (albeit well armed) for Brazilian needs and the tech transfer package was iffy, Rafale performed like a wet fart, while the Gripen seemed like the best choice for their needs.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >F15 was to much
                fuck I meant F18

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>1/4 cheaper than the F-35.
                >Citation needed.
                Total unit cost of each F-35 in existance today is well north of $400m. Lockheed sells it at a steep discount to foriegn countries and the fed makes up the difference with free gibsmedats

                >Brazil had bought Gripen E
                and it bought the factory line, and it bought staff, and support, and since sourcing is almost all off-the-shelf, Embraer is going to have a new line of upgrade ready jet fighter for the first time in 30 years.
                OTOH they could have the F-15 for 2/3rd the price, and not have any of that stuff (Boeing isn't giving Embraer anything like they did for Mitsubishi) and have a captive supply chain with the US as the sole supplier of proprietary parts and operations cost about 4x that of the Gripens.
                Brazil wants to be a big boy country now, and being a NATO lapdog buying US planes is not on the table

                There's a difference between "Hey, I'll pay you if you choose my stuff." and "Hey, I'll pay you if you choose this piece of shit that we will withdraw support when you actually need it."

                Gripen is aggressively mediocre, with shit support to boot.

                >Gripen is aggressively mediocre
                show us on the doll where the swede touched you, Jaakko

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the swedish airforce is already too small as it is why the fuck would they send planes to ukraine? Saab does not own these personally and the government isnt in the buisness of shilling jets.
    Besides only sending a few is probably not worth the logistics and it would likely take half a year or more to train the pilots anyway.

    whats with these idiotic takes, i thought PrepHole knew or cared about military tech, this is like something a child would propse

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Government that makes weapons isn't in the business of selling weapons

      Then you deserve to lose your Gripen.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sweden has made shit tons of indigenous weapons since the 1950s, they basically exist due to tradition at this point, wondering why the swedish government mostly tries to keep it is retarded

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My point is, what possible reason does Sweden have NOT to help Ukraine right now with Gripens?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Same reason no one else has given ukraine fighter jets... actually much better reasons since sweden both has to deal with regular russian airspace incursions and isn't a nato member

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Training to fly a plane maybe takes a week or two
      It's easier than driving a car

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >i thought PrepHole knew or cared about military tech
      Plenty of kids here for whom caring is dangerously uncool and knowing stuff is way too close to homework. They're just here for the "I'm a gun person" identity and playing endless games of high school recess grabass based around "my country could beat up your country".

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't brazil buy a lot of those?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shh don't tell him they also set up a new factory there

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ye

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How powerful is Brazil? Could they beat all the other countries in south america?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, bar Chile all other SA armies are either token forces or armed rabble.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brazil has half of the population and GDP of South America, so probably yes. They would have trouble with the Colombian land forces and the Chilean airforce though, those are very capable.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh, I have news for you chief

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brazil is powerful without spending much of their GDP. If they actually committed to per capita spending level similar to the US they would easily be within the top 5 globally but they simply don't have many enemies to justify this. They'll probably be the first major non-pariah state to develop nukes in a long time. They have the tech already and have big plans for nuclear submarines and new carriers. They could probably kick everyone's ass except for Chile. The Chileans are very competent and have decent equipment.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but they simply don't have many enemies to justify this.
            Didn't france started talking shit about the amazon and almost threatening Brazil?
            I would say that is a red flag if I was in charge of brazil

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, the French have some absolutely bizarre irrational hate boner against Brazil and they toss out these absurd moral high ground arguments to support it. The French have this kinda weird thing where they have an unironic imperialist attitude and back it with this reasoning that they're the enlightened heirs of the French revolution so it's okay. Kind of like Californians who move to other states. I don't think it's actual credible threat but I think if Brazil does ever feel truly threatened, they'll just build nukes. Brazil is an odd case where they are actually capable of becoming a true military power but don't do so because they want to toss their money at other things. Kind of like the US before WW1. They weren't a Spanish colony but a Portuguese colony and people fail to realize the two have different ways of thinking. They've also always been a rigid Anglo crypto-ally for hundreds of years so they get away with a lot that Spanish speaking South America couldn't.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The cost of building not just nukes, but nukes on ballistic missiles that can reach france is simply too much, unless brazil is actively threatened, which that aren't. I know France. They can't invade Brazil with their one air carrier. Maybe they can fuck up brazil a bit with non nuclear missile strikes, but that's it. And it wouldn't achieve much. Neither side can win, so no conflict will happen. "Perfectly balanced as all things should be" and all that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The cost of building not just nukes, but nukes on ballistic missiles that can reach france is simply too much, unless brazil is actively threatened, which that aren't. I know France. They can't invade Brazil with their one air carrier. Maybe they can fuck up brazil a bit with non nuclear missile strikes, but that's it. And it wouldn't achieve much. Neither side can win, so no conflict will happen. "Perfectly balanced as all things should be" and all that.

                The french are pissed that the Brazilians aren't doing anything to stop people from Brazil from crossing the border into French Guinee.
                There is a lot of illegal gold mining that damages the forest, logging and poaching happening.
                And as long as they have a secure market for those things in Brazil that will continue because securing such a long jungle border is just not possible even when you have the foreign legion helping.
                But any conflict is unthinkable because the USA wouldn't stand for it.
                And even then france can't project into anywhere in Brazil that matters and Brazil while able to take over French Guinee will have to deal with the European space agency housed there causing major diplomatic problems and possible escalation.
                >who care about European armies
                about 1/5 of brazil exports are to the EU and only about 1.5 percent of EU exports are to brazil.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking just release your colonies already, France.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Every colony that wanted to be released has been already and the last big one, Guyana, they will never let go because of the space center.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >powerful
            Just big.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Brazil is like America but with even more morons.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Brazil is like America but with even more morons.
            Wrong. The irony is that both Brazil and Argentina are whiter than the USA.

            Don't you remember this gem?
            >https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/world/2022/01/among-all-the-white-people-in-sao-paulo-i-asked-myself-where-is-the-rest-of-everyone.shtml

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              there's just a ton of pardos who deem themselves to be white, but in the USA they would be hispanic. deal with it, Cleyton Washington da Souza

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They bought few of those. Less than they actually need.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wtf do you expect a CEO to say? "We couldn’t compete with a much larger and richer company"? Or how about "we don’t have the tech to make a 5th gen"?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Gripen program hasn't had a single foreign sale since 2014
    Isn't Brazil replacing its entire fleet with JAS93?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shh don't tell him they also set up a new factory there

      Didn't brazil buy a lot of those?

      Brazil bought the grippen and also they bought the technology to build the grippen in Brazil.

      It is a great airplane for countries without much money to spare.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If money is an object, does Brazil really need gripens? Is the risk of venezuela invading really that big? I cant imagine them needing more than supertucanos

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's a step on the ladder to becoming a developed country. It places Brazil in a better strategic position wrt Africa, which Brazil wants closer ties with.
          And there's always the Argies right next door. Can't trust em- place is chock FULL of Nazis, real ones.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not going to take seriously somebody who doesn't even know the name of the plane they're talking about

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Viggen was already borderline disaster for Swedish AF, and prior to making decision to develop Gripen they seriously considered importing their next fighter, but still decided to go ahead with it. Gripen got fucked by end of Cold War fucking up economies of scale with domestic orders and released a lot of competition for export potential. That wasn't helped them having bit shitty sales team, that fucked up any chance of early export orders. Basically Saab line was to push major R&D costs to any potential buyer while also offering them R&D risks. Like double of R&D amortization over what Swedish AF was going to pay. That was on level that it made F/A-18C/D cheaper plane. That might have helped to sell Gripens to Finland and Switzerland. That sure wasn't helped by McDonnell-Douglas being dragged down by Douglas part of company. They were offering Hornet cheap to keep company afloat prior to Boeing merger. Gotta show money lenders that they are doing business. In case of Finland, the fact that state owned airline board that was a Douglas priority client and Parliamentary defense committee were like 70% match.
    2/2

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >why have you left me?
    >sorry, honey. He's just bigger.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Damn. Now swedes are getting raped by foreigners not even in their country.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Likely this is the reason.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Canards are gay

      Wrong. They look great on the F15.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At the expense of the Gun.
        How many Canard F-15s were made again?

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Saab had a point about 10 years ago after Brazil selected the Gripen where they could have feasibly developed a stealthier next gen Gripen. Brazil had raw cash to commit and you know that the subsequent Bolsonaro administration would have loved to throw money at the project so he could declare "Brazil has first South American stealth fighter, Saab helped." Now that's passed and the F35 is becoming cheaper by the day thanks to economies of scale.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Implying USA would have allowed the sale of the F-35 to Brazil.
      >Leftist president is elected, he allows the Chinese to close inspect the F-35

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    every third world nation in the world didnt buy gripen despite the discounts and bribes.

    whats wrong with it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing is really wrong with gripen. F-35 just happened to get massively cheaper in the last 10 years and now it's the obvious best choice. F-35 is now cheaper than a french rafael. Only downside is a dependence on USA for maintenance and upgrades.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's a difference between "Hey, I'll pay you if you choose my stuff." and "Hey, I'll pay you if you choose this piece of shit that we will withdraw support when you actually need it."

      Gripen is aggressively mediocre, with shit support to boot.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They wanted in NATO, yes? They couldn't enter NATO if they were competition to american sales. USA gets all the sales, Sweden gets in NATO. Simple.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They wanted in NATO, yes? They couldn't enter NATO if they were competition to american sales. USA gets all the sales, Sweden gets in NATO. Simple.

      Not really. The CV90 just got two major export sales since the Ukraine-Russia war started after the vehicles sales stagnated for a while. NLAW (which is a largely Swedish design) also has seen a massive demand spike. The trade off may be though that they are going to ship with the capacity to be to the American 50mm Bushmaster within 10 minutes which is likely a long term plan to get the US 50mm Supershot round as the new defacto autocannon/AA round to prevent newer German and French 35mm and 40mm designs rejected.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The CV90 with the 50mm gun is pure sex.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Those are not planes, my good man.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it isn't Saab's doing tough
    it's trying to sell arms from sweden
    and the only way they could fix that is moving everything out of sweden
    but their product doesn't help
    it's a great arm for less rich nations that still need a new fighter that can handle more rough conditions. But those countries tend to be less stable, less democratic, human rights issues and with territorial tensions. And those are reasons for the swedish licensing authority to stop exports.

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some Koreanshills have claimed that the Gripen C/D has actually worse or comparable performance to the FA-50. How can this be possible? It was designed for the outset as a multirole fighter while the moronjet was an armed trainer

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The FA-50 is fucking based because it causes gripen-fags to cope and seethe endlessly.
      Blame your own government. Blame saab. Blame lockheed. Blame ikea. Blame finland.
      Reading this thread alone is at least 50 reasons not to buy the gripen.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same reason why Tejas got beat by it in the Malaysian LCA program. To say that FA-50 is born a trainer is an obvious understatement when it's literally got a similar displacement as full fledged multirole fighters like Gripen and Tejas, also its body is designed more suitable for supersonic flights rather than subsonic where most of the training curriculums take place. Also, it has the same engine(F404), similar fuel capacity and payload, which ultimately brings us to the point that this really is just a downright MRF disguised as a LIFT from the start. Also, from the Block 20 onwards, it will be as powerful as F-16 and Gripen in A2A combat with the state of the art AESA radar getting installed and AIM-120 integration.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Still amazed that people think that an aircraft who literally is tailor-made to swedish conditions is an export failure with 5 operators

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because one of those operators is brazil
      That is a fucking failure in my book

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because one of those operators is brazil
      That is a fucking failure in my book

      Reminder that Viggen was also open for export, and even Finland got some Drakens, but Viggen got no export
      But as it turns out, nobody complained about that, maybe the plane is just optional export and otherwise made for sweden

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Brazilbro here, our air force loves our 36 gripens. Beats our previous jet fighters by a million times (namely, "upgraded" F5Es in service since 1975, 6 Mirage 2000 we used as a stopgap) We're larger than the continental US and still reduced our purchase from 104 to 36 gripens.
    Boggles my mind, I know we're the laughing stock of the world, but this is just pathetic

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were never going to make big sales once the political influence and business experience of BAE left.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this shows state of sweeden politics acting like idiots thats all. but its nothing new they always act like idiots, thats why noone is buying they gear. you wont buy from psychical unstable person something

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine is basically the best marketing opportunity for any arms manufacturer right now. Countries are probably lining up to buy bayrakters after seeing their impact from osint. They should really just give away a few units and write it off as a marketing expense.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sweden's currently going through an election, and I believe the current block that's projected to win was interested in giving Ukraine some Archers.
      Otherwise, there are already plenty of Swedish weapons in Ukraine, from the extremely old Bofors AA cannons to NLAW.

  30. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sweden is a feminist country therefor the plane is viewed as feminist and weak

  31. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    snooze you lose

  32. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pity, twas a good plane

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