We all know how comically overhyped most of the Russian arsenal has turned out to be, but are there any weapons or weapon systems that have proven themselves or even overperformed in some capacity? And if not, which parts of the Russian arsenal turned out to be the least shit?
The AK. And only due to how cheap it is.
That's it. Don't look at Russian vehicles or even heavy weapons like rpgs for quality. They've gotten hilariously clapped every single fucking time they've faced anything western.
Actually, add to this a whole bunch of AK derivatives and a bunch of other small arms from the Soviet period. Most are pretty decent when well maintained and properly adjusted by an armorer. But there really are none that were ever truly exceptional or overperforming. All of them just halted at this very specific 60s/70s level of material and design tech level, because of both production limitations and available cost per unit. Sure, they tried to upgrade those designs between the 80s and now, but most of them only saw marginal returns or just never saw enough adoption.
Their ATGMs? Everyone already knew what they were like. Just dumb, simple, direct-impact goodness with big warheads.
Arguably though, their failure to bring their modern missiles into service is another failure.
Have we seen a single one of these BMP ATGM vehicles in Ukraine?
That's all they had?
these things are so goofy in War Thunder
t80 series is good. every vid of a tank on tank engagement has been a t80 knocking out something else iirc
lancet is good
The T80 is probably their best tank
lancet would be good if it's payload wasn't so pathetic, right now it's majorly gimped because most of the times it hits the weak as fuck warhead does either no or little damage, the drone could also use some better guidance as it gets a lot of near misses on even stationary targets
Lancet is not good. Just the class of long range TV suicide drones is good.
it almost always diverts it's course in the last few meters, and that's just on the vids that were approved for release
Why is the T-80 performing better than the T90 in this war?
It was the better design between the two (the T-90 is just an upgraded T-72) and has a decent reverse speed for a Soviet tank.
T-72 was made because the T-64 was too advanced for its time and needed a lot of problems worked out. It was made by the same design bureau that made the T-62, which was yet again because the T-64 was too advanced. The T-72 had origins as a budget T-64. The T-80 is a true successor to the T-64 rather than being budget cope.
To add to Anon. The T-80 arguably isn't really an upgrade on the T-64 either, it just has a different engine and the suspension from a T-72 to reduce complexity and cost. Later it added even more different elements and effectively became a different tank than what it started with. All four (T-64, T-72, T-80, and T-90) all had the same gun and similar armor
Further, the T-90 is, arguably, just a T-72 that Russia gave a separate number for rather than calling it the T-72C (1990). Keep in mind, there is a lot of variants of Russian Tanks:
T-64B and T-64BM
T-64B1 and T-64B1M
The T-80U has better armor than the previous T-80 which are an extension of the T-64 quartz armor. By comparison the T-90 is still dependent on the reflecting plates scheme found in the T-72 for base armor. Furthermore export models of the T-72 have even more simplified armor.
Effectively the T-72B...T-90 family all has the same reflecting plate armor. The T-90A, M and S have a welded turret with a more uniformly shaped array but it is the same reflecting plates configuration The T-80BVM is just a T-80B's base with newer ERA and other improvements meaning while the ERA is improved in both coverage, gap reduction and the dynamic element it is still a cast steel and quartz.
Like 1/3 of them are Ukrainian. And again, T-72 is shit, even soviets themselves knew this and developed stuff like Object 477
Actually because it has better reverse speed. Can get in and out of engagement a lot quicker, which is more important than all of the things forum spergs argue about all day.
their nuke capability, whether it's real or not, has proven pretty effective as a deterrent - if russia didn't have nukes to wave around as a threat they'd have been shitting teeth within the first month.
I don't think anyone expected the Lancet to do as well as it has.
I'd go with and
. The lancet does seem to fulfill its intended purpose and the fact that it's getting past Uke air defenses is impressive. at the risk of sounding like Armatard, the Mig-31 and its missiles have proven effective enough to affect how Ukraine's aircraft are deployed; that's far more than I was expecting of both the jet and its weapons.
>the fact that it's getting past Uke air defenses is impressive
Not particularly, no. Drones are notoriously hard to differentiate on radar.
GAZ Tigr is unironically looked fondly upon by both ziggers and ukes alike, a simple, no nonsense reliable machine
Sure wonder why
>The good Russian weapons are American
>the best thing made in Russia was made from things that were made outside of Russia
Ohhhhh no no no no
>in before Ivan claims the Lend Lease wasn't helpful because _____________
No one claims that. But you guys claim that without it, defeating germany was impossible whilst casually forgetting that 90% of lendlease arrived after ussr started winning
>whilst casually forgetting that 90% of lendlease arrived after ussr started winning
most of it arrived past 1943, but thats just when it rapidly accelerated
the 10% represents a slice of a massive pie
>most of it arrived past 1943, but thats just when it rapidly accelerated
True and the tide turned in 1942.
Lendlease is massive in numbers, but on a large scale it was like 10% of ussr's overall production during war. Which is a lot, but also not really
>True and the tide turned in 1942.
even the amount that arrived in 1942 was huge
it just got bigger over time
>but on a large scale it was like 10% of ussr's overall production during war
weapon systems only
the 10k half-tracks and UCs they got represented nearly 100% of their troop carriers
the 50k jeeps they got represented 100% of their LUV fleet, as they had no 4x4 light truck at all
the 300,000 4x4 and 6x6 trucks were about 30% of their entire truck fleet, and were superior in individual quality as the bulk of the soviet trucks were the 2-wheel drive 1.5ton GAZ-MM
>the 10k half-tracks and UCs they got represented nearly 100% of their troop carriers
>the 50k jeeps they got represented 100% of their LUV fleet, as they had no 4x4 light truck at all
Cmon. You know you just cherrypicked stats that look good. Other parts of lend-lease contained as high as 2% of overall production.
Please don't name some vehicle classification that they did not use and show like USA supplied them with 100% of it.
As I said, that amount was huge by numbers, but at most it's effect was accelerating Soviet's conquest of German controlled territories and shortening the war by a year or maybe two.
>Please don't name some vehicle classification that they did not use and show like USA supplied them with 100% of it.
the US supplied them with 100% of it because they literally had no analogue in the east
the only truck type that the soviets already had that the US couldnt provide is the 1.5 ton and 3-ton variety
if the US had not provided them half-tracks, then they would have no existing replacement other than literally riding on the tank itself
without LL trucks and jeeps they would almost certainly be forced to resort to draft animals like the germans did
in practice, even with LL helping them they only managed to reach comparable levels of motorization as the germans
>the US supplied them with 100% of it because they literally had no analogue in the east
They had different doctrine and different supply line logistics. And yeah, it was outdated, but hey they won the war.
>They had different doctrine and different supply line logistics
if by different, you mean worse
the 4x4 1.5ton truck was a godsend to soviet artillery because it could tow their field guns and howitzers
it filled an operational niche that the soviets did not produce an answer to until after the war, by copying the dodge 4x4
and the 6x6 truck was hilariously better than all existing trucks the soviets had, even their best truck the ZIS was still a two-wheel drive
because we all know how well-paved and car friendly russia is
same with the half-track, the soviets literally had no answer to it other than having grasping on
it is almost impossible to overstate the level of mobility this grants an army
draft animals can only operate about 50km from a rail head, trucks can do 200km, and with far fewer hands
the increasing ability for soviet forces to sustain offensive operations deeper and deeper behind enemy lines as the war went on has a lot to do with the proper motorisation of these high-quality units.
ZiS-5 and GAZ-AA were also both license versions of American truck models, too.
As for half-track M3 and M5, it's crazy how much better they were than basically any APC of the war. Especially with the comparative ease of maintenance and servicing and low cost.
>but hey they won the war.
The allies won the war. the soviets were getting their shit kicked in for most of the war and their overall contribution to the war was bodies to the grinder because they couldnt be assed to make their equipment the correct way
it enabled bagration among other offensives to be a success but it didn't save the ussr from defeat. the claim is usually that lend lease saved the ussr, which is wrong.
holy shit wtf
I did unironically not know that the US still has a light engine manufacturer that can compete at international level, thought it was all Ford tier. Thanks Anon, I just learned something today.
Anon they're the best diesels America produces. There is a reason boomers would say they'd "rather be cummin than strokin" (Ford powerstroke)
Don't they catch on fire really easily? There was something about that in a thread months and months ago.
It's so good it went extinct 3 months into the war lmao
It was a vehicle made for OMON (Russian SWAT), not necessarily military use. The main function is that it's a 7 tonne armored ram which will drive through walls, small residential buildings, fences and dozens of parked cars to create entry points during raids, as well as generally looking intimidating.
Even the civilian light unarmored version is insanely unmaneouverable and scary to drive. The leo one is on a whole another level of insanity
The most successful rusian gear is the one that is 2nd rate but cheap enough to be produced in large numbers and soldto 3rd world for bananas. AK, Mig-21, T-55, BTR, SA-2, etc.
The rest is quite shit.
>which parts of the Russian arsenal turned out to be the least shit?
Well, their electronic warfare capablilities are so strong they dont just jam the enemies radar, they also jam their own
Its kinda hard to gauge if there is any good kit on the russian side right. Ow because
1 its used my u motivated conscripts with incompetent commandeds
2 a lot of it hasnt been manufactured to on paper specifications
So even if they did design something good on paper, it would still fail in practice
I guess you could say the iskander has preformed pretty well?
they got rid of all those Bayraktar drones with EW very quickly once they get over to it.
The Mig-15 was pretty good over Korea, it did spend a long time shooting down ww2 vintage shit tho so the rep might be overblown as it got clapped once the sabres turned up.
It also used a reverse engineered British engine which is basically cheating
It wasn't even reverse engineered, the stupid bongs outright gave it to them in a massively retarded gesture of appeasement. Mig-15 also copied a German airframe elongated to fit the British engine in it.
To be fair the Brits gave them an outdated engine their MIC didn't want (it wasn't evrn axial flow) and caveated it be used for civil purposes only. Turns out the Soviets were way further behind on jet engine tech than anyone guessed though and it gave them a massive boost when they reverse engineered it
Yep, in addition to the fighters of that entire decade the engine also powered the only worthwhile soviet jet bomber for over 20 years - the Tu-16.
anon the retard in the uk cabinet signing the engine hand off was a outright communist. It was a pure grade fifth column job. Even their precious Stalin was in disbelief how what idiots gives up their secrets
England tried doing the same thing with computers in the 1970s but the Soviets were too fucking stupid to take them up on their offer:
the Ta-183 is not a MiG
The mig-31Ks and its air-air missiles have been causing Ukraine a lot of problems.
About that engine life…
Aren’t both S-300 and S-400 pretty good for locking down airspace if your opponent isn’t someone with first-tier SEAD capabilities or stealth aircraft? I mean, it’s a huge caveat, but it’s not like there are too many countries that have such capabilities in large scale as of now.
They're good at downing civilian airliners. Anything military-related you just call Israel for a couple of these bad boys and all your problems disappear.
TOR is a very good air defence system with a good record but Russia pushes nonfunctioning pantsir instead for some reason as shiny new SHORAD.
That was a BUK, which is also a proven system if dated.
S300 and arguably S400 are soviet systems. They are good, yes, and in trained hands they can counter opponents with stealth aircraft and SEAD capabilities. At least, 1990s tier SEAD and stealth, that is.
>They are good, yes, and in trained hands they can counter opponents with stealth aircraft and SEAD capabilities
May i see the trained hands?
Ukraine made russia resort to launching missiles from Caspian sea and further with just 4-5 batteries of S300, some buks and S125 and an ancient but functional radar network. And this "setup" was able to achieve ~80% interception rate.
Note that this system is nowhere near 1980s level, using human equivalent it's like if you'd starve someone for many years, poke their eyes and ears out, lobotomise them, then fix up a lil bit and call that "healthy". Yanukovich was very successful at making sure our AA network is as bad as possible. F to S200 btw, with them not even Caspian sea would be a safe spot
Russia can't SEAD so why would this prove anything? Even 60 year old SA-2s would be able to do the job in this situation.
They can. On day 0 there were stikes on radars, lots of strikes actually, AA systems were constantly moving for first 2 or 3 months. However, they failed to destroy Ukrainian AA system because it was designed to counter 1980s USAF. And now this transformed into russia can't SEAD meme. Now that I think of it, there are multiple russia can't x memes, which is really interesting and sad, because it's not that russia is incapable of doing shit. It's that Ukraine is able to effectively defend itself
>they failed to destroy Ukrainian AA system because it was designed to counter 1980s USAF
elaborating, the system was designed to withstand a much more powerful opponent, so even being a shell of former self, it was able to destroy a lot of russian planes and helis which made russians shoot missiles from inside their borders. When deployed in proper numbers and as designed, as it was in the 80s (several rings of AA around the biggest cities+AA on the most important objects+AA coverage of the entire country+proper radar network+smaller range AA for tactical level), it would be completely impenetrable for russia and would inflict very high casualties even on modern USAF
>very high casualties even on modern USAF
iraq was listed as the fourth stronkest in the world at the time with top of the line vatnik union exports. This against the top grade, fresh out of the cold war burger army. This included AA capabilites which still overshadow anything ukraine started out with in 2023
I would be very careful making assertive claims in anything regarding burgers vs vatnik air war
>top of the line exports
>it was designed to fail to counter 1980s USAF
>because it's not that russia is incapable of doing shit. It's that Ukraine is able to effectively defend itself
lmao. it's always been a tard wrangle. deluding yourself into thinking that russia's flailing is a competent action that takes a lot to counter is pure cope
>to fail to counter
Yeeah, cause russian performance 30 years after ussr collapsed is totally indicative of how ussr would perform. Yup. Totally. No, the fact that ussr spent on military almost three times more than entire russian budget for 2022(982 billion $ in modern money vs 341) is completely and utterly irrelevant.
I'm sure your mighty fallen shithole would totally show US and prove that it hasn't always produced trash equipment manned by drunken subhumans, lmao.
You're a laughingstock, vatmoron.
I'm Ukrainian, retard. I completely understand that the remnants of soviet propaganda that su=russia are still going strong and affecting how an average westerner perceives a given soviet system, but you need to remember that su didn't consist just of russians. Yes, by the late 80s and 90s you could already say that equipment was manned by drunks, but it was on a much smaller scale. Thousands of times smaller than in modern russia
>hasn't always produced trash equipment
Which is true. S300 isn't shit, for instance. Many such cases btw
You're a ukrainian vatnik, nothing contradictory about that. Just about the same brand of scum, except there's fewer of those like you compared to russians.
Still subhumans, still making trash, still puffing airs about it, nothing special at all.
Not even close, retard. moscow should be glassed along with every other highly populated russian city
Not thinking only western equipment works and being a vatnik are two very different things.
Yeah i still don't care. Take your "soviet stronk" bullshit and shove it up your ass you dumb vatmoron.
Uh-huh. Now show me where I said "soviet stronk"
Scroll up, gay. The utter idiocy of claiming your S-690 would hamper USAF in the 80s, let alone today needs not be repeated.
Based on what do you think that a given system would not work? russian performance in 2022?
performance of soviet gear in all and every war it ever participated in in history
now cope, seethe and dilate vatmoron
Like what, exactly? Vietnam? Korea?
yes, those too
so who's more pathetic: Josh Luna or these non-sequitur vatnikball memes?
>MOCKERY OF THE RUSSIANS AND THEIR INFERIOR AERONAUTIC PERFORMANCE SHALL BE KEPT TO AN APPROPRIATE *hand gesture* MINIMUM
Or maybe Ukrainian war, where just a few s300 batteries combined with some other AA systems (soviet as well) were able to completely deny ruaf the sky?
Please stop thinking in absolutes. Yes, some soviet equipment is bad. T-72, for example. But that doesn't mean everything that SU developed is bad. I'll remind again, SU military budget was three times bigger than the entire budget of russian federation, and the corruption was nowhere near modern russian. It did exist, of course, but at the very least military money weren't spent on superyachts
>Or maybe Ukrainian war, where just a few s300 batteries combined with some other AA systems (soviet as well) were able to completely deny ruaf the sky?
literally a tard fight. russia can't SEAD.
>inb4 more vatmoron cope
>the bargaining ukrainian sovok begs people to acknowledge his failed state that would totally show everyone what's what
you will never be an empire
Ffs, how did "not all soviet equipment bad" transform into
>bargaining ukrainian sovok begs people to acknowledge his failed state that would totally show everyone what's what
in your inflamed imagination?
Yes it can. Or could, at least. Again, on day 0 there was a ton of strikes on radars and aa systems
The boomer moron loving patriot who turned in his brace and puts Government before God. Stop slurping uncle sam's cum Christ hater.
Don't be so edgy just for the sake of it. The people and politics are two different things. Regardless of whatever happens, in 50 years the 2 cultures will be just as close as they have for many centuries before.
Makes a valid argument. Muttoid replies with
>muh vatmoron muh puccia = bad
Nice one. You just showed everyone how braindead retarded you are
for me, it's Russia's inability to use forklifts and pallets.
AK and variants, PKM, BMP-3, T-80, MiG-29, MSTA-S
Kornet seems to be pretty effective in most circumstances
Seconding this, hasn't the Kornet been a genuine nuisance to the Ukrainians? I mean it isn't hard to make a functioning ATGM in this day and age so the bar is very low, but still
I really, really like the Ass Vault.
it's junk though
shut up pigger, the gun is awesome, way more awesome than your muddy shithole can come up with, like come on now, some bubba aks made worse by bullpupping them? and you cant even manufacture those enough.
NATO Need not apply
they are of morons
This one literally killed me
There's something surreal about how "well drawn" these are
You know what I mean, clearly much higher effort than any MSPaint Polandball comic
Yet so fucking autistic
Alaskasisters real silent after this one dropped.
kek are there any alaskans vying to return to russia?
I am sure Baked Alaska could be persuaded to become a vatnik shill.
If there were any Russian-American families that didn't move back to the Czar after the purchase, they've by now definitely been naturalized beyond a shadow of a doubt, thoroughly mixed with either Injun or Mainlander stock, and forgotten any possible allegiances to the Czar that could possibly tie them to the Neo-Bolsheviks that made this image
holy fuckign kek
I genuinely don't understand this. Is there some idea in the RUAF that the US doesn't have bilge pumps or airtight hatches?
Kelly is honestly kinda genius just as a concept. It's kinda hilarious to see some oddly personal Pail of Pokemon Creatures comics that make no sense chronicle the gradual neurodegeneration of a man whose time ended long ago, it's like seeing Sam Hyde's Baby Boomer impressions but with 2 degrees of separation and having to decipher it yourself
>I genuinely don't understand this. Is there some idea in the RUAF that the US doesn't have bilge pumps or airtight hatches?
Yeah, its called projection.
I feel like these are lowering in quality as they get newer.
the original artist probably got mobik'd or overdosed on copium
I read this after having tikka masala with a chai tea dropped off at my house from a mobile app.
Funny that I knew what those beetles were. Its also why vatniks are called 'colorados' in reference to the bug's similarity to the ribbon of st george.
>Its also why vatniks are called 'colorados' in reference to the bug's similarity to the ribbon of st george.
I do not approve of this depiction.
>you VILL enjoy ze gay rossiyan balls
>you VILL accept being depicted as rossiya's autistic child
Is this an accurate translation? Holy hell. If so that doesn't border on self-parody. It takes the whole ass dive right onto the deep end of the crazy pool.
Laugh while you can.
My army is growing every day.
This is the first time I've actually seen what I'm assuming is an accurate translation of this cartoon, and not the open defecation edit.
Actually in the original he says a wordplay quote in Russian which confuses the bot.
It's somewhat the least jingoistic comic out of them all, but it's probably the most edited.
These are super autistic.
They genuinely look like the 'art ' of those shitty mobile games that also definitely come out of Russia and probably turn your phone into a crypto miner and a bomb
It was a state-sponsored response to the early Polandball comics from over 10 years ago that routinely mocked Russia. Whoever made them had a crude idea of the Polandball artstyle.
I'm positive that the mobile-game Russia has sunglasses because they thought the reason the USAball has sunglasses was to make him 'cool' (iirc the real reason is some widespread stereotype about Americans wearing sunglasses everywhere? I mean. Where I am they do but it's Texas, and coastal Texas at that, sunglasses are practically a health item here).
In any case it is lulzy in the way only the high yield cringe of failed propaganda can be
You're correct. MacArthur, Tom Cruise (Top Gun), etc., solidified the 'big sunglasses' meme.
almost like it is autistic state funded media
what "always works"? Their bowels? Are they bragging about how regular they are?
Polandball never recovered from this.
He has become fucking unhinged.
MiG-31 has performed well but it has its fair share of issues (like having a double decker bus-sized RCS). but using them for hit and run long standoff attacks has proven very effective.
Russian SAMs have worked well as well in several conflicts when used in the right hands with proper tactics for the job. I honestly couldn't tell you though how well they stack up to Western and other SAMs. Serbia did buy the Chinese FK-3/HQ-22 over the S-400, so Russia's latest and greatest SAM may not be super cost-effective. latest Buk and Tor systems are pretty nice though.
Russian ATGMs aren't half bad either. they aren't gonna win any design awards but they're proven systems, Kornet-E also benefits from having a super long range for a (relatively) man-portable system at 8-10km depending on warhead type.
interesting to see how Russia practices open defecation. I've always heard India had some street shitters, but I wouldn't expect the Russians to be tree-shitters.
>clearly much higher effort than any MSPaint Polandball comic
Whoa there. Some Polandball comics go into effort.
onions do have more vitamins though + they raise test.
>onions are based
>puccia is cringe
How do I reconcile these?
If anything, Russia might have too much testosterone. They're like the poster child of toxic masculinity that Western woke types wish they could find and point to locally.
Russia looks like one of those fucked up old timey smiling moon/suns jej
>Russian onions have more vitamins!
If anyone asks you what smekalochka is, show them this picture.
How in the fuck?
YOU SOLD TURKEY S-400!
>Tim Buckley is drawing Russian propaganda
This is a parody...right?
not originally, no. They got extensively shopped and edited but the originals are 100% serious
they really are that delusional
Russkiy Mir is a parallel reality
your lack of T I G E R S is showing
sometimes it is hard to tell between the real ones and the edits
then I remember that the originals are the ones that are actually sad
That one actually was funny
this is really sad
one side is showing off innovations and culture they are known for
the other side is showing off an animal they actively tried to exterminate at several points in time that just happens to live on their territory
do the Russian readers even understand how sad that is?
This is an edit, anon
No it's the original
The problem with these comics is they operate under their own weird subtext logic. Like the classic TIGERS one:
What it means:
>Russia is very large. So large that it spans not just the Moscow area of Europe, but all the way into Asia!
It would be like the US saying "America is so big! We have Alligators and Polar bears!" Which is honestly an impressive statement.
However, the problem is that it is delivered with ZERO context or point. Nobody questions that Russia is large, every schoolchild knows about Siberian tigers, and what does the artist expect from this? A gold medal? An applause?
It's sort of like the Onion's Kelly, who has these weird personal comics that only he would truly understand.
What the fuck is Belarus then? It was Russia threatening Finland with nukes if they joined NATO, not the other way around.
man, Buckley's changed
S-300 has performed pretty well, at least in Ukrainian hands.
Mig 31 with their big AA missiles have been mostly successful at denying the airspace to Ukraine.
Mostly because the Ukie airforce consists of outdated soviet shit, but still.
Most Pucciyan small arms have great reputations. Makarov, Tokarev, AK family, etc.
I would nominate the PKM though, these fuckers are one of the best GPMGs ever designed and are as prolific as the AK, yet somehow hardly known outside of military/enthusiasts for some reason.
we call it pokemon occasionally in the FDF
And now I shall too.
Apparently they do in Ukraine too, or at least they referred to it as such in this song:
Dubs of truth
Yeah, they've been good at nailing early the assault rifle/GPMG/DMR infantry combo before most western nations. Their later versions of our grenade lauchers are fine.
>they've been good at nailing early the assault rifle/GPMG/DMR infantry combo before most western nations
Is that why they rushed to steal the 5.56x45 cartridge as soon as it became available?
That's just the downside of being early adopters of assault rifles and using a shortened cartridge like the krauts before.
>PPsh-41 & PPS-43
ppsh is a inferior copy of the finnish kp 31
DSHk is also good
Their anti-air systems and howitzers are usually good
didn't a drone just hit the kremlin? have those systems ever really been tested?
I'm only the talking about the systems themselves, the operators being retards is a different problem
>ed to it as such in this song:
yes they for the most part denied Ukrainian air force strike sorties but not every AD is unstoppable for example the operators might fail to detect a threat which seems to be the case among Russians
You know we had like less than 50 military jets before the war started right? I think it actually goes to show that the fact our military still flies sorties of any kind is not favourable to your point.
Ukraine has been using Russian-made air defence platforms to deny its own airspace for the last year against the vastly larger VKS
Seriously, how did it take 34 posts to mention it?
trash compared to a LAW
>disposable dedicated AT launcher
>reusable and flexible AT launcher
Apples and Oranges Anon.
anti air systems, long range MLRS, cruise messiles, howizers, electronic warfare systems and dare I say tanks(well for their time to be honest) are really good
>long range MLRS
with 200m CEP(not even exaggerating)
ancient lost tech
>electronic warfare systems
don't work as intended and/or advertised
T72 was shit for it's time. That's why there were projects like Object 477 and 490
>cruise messiles twice
second one was howitzers, but I guess the same may be true for cruise missiles too
Some serious PrepHoleooping right here
Why'd you announce that you're a shitskin 4chan tourist raiding PrepHole? Did you think this was a good idea?
>you're a shitskin 4chan tourist raiding PrepHole?
rent free gay
Do you want the videos of missiles hitting the middle of rivers, random parks, or the satellite shot of that airbase they failed to silence?
Their slave mentalit- uhh, I mean "fighting spirit" has enabled them to continue this operation far longer than I expected them to.
Lancet suicide drone is the only thing that outperformed my expectations, or, well, that at least works almost as advertised.
is ball down to fuck or nah?
Did you know they have T-I-G-E-R-S?
The 15 lakes one is my favorite. Like why the fuck would you brag about that? It’s not even impressive in terms of lakes
It has to be some kind of mistranslation. I mean, sure people have different standards for lakes. But by any reasonable standard, most countries have at least triple digit numbers of lakes, outside of micronations and africans anyway. Just to put an example France has an estimated 380 lakes, and Spain next to it has an estimated 500 lakes (and yes, that's culling all the small ones. It has a bit over 2500 natural concentrations of drinking water, aka ponds and shit), not that that number is in any way impressive when compared to literally anywhere in northern europe where they count them by the hundreds of thousands. And as for Russia, even counting "great lakes" (over 0.1sqkm), it still has over 201,200 according to the latest listing (yes I had to look it up).
So... is the term for "lake" something else in Russian? Do they have 15 specific lakes they really really like? Wtf is going on. I mean. This is like USA going "I have 15 guns!" You got a hell of a lot more than 15 my guy!
It's got to mean something over a certain size, like the US or Canada referring to the Great Lakes.
>Only 15 lakes
So that's why they wanted finlan so bad
i have the final say.
>the russians we were promised
>Instead the of the Russians we got
Shame. Vidya Russians are cool factions
Losharik is cool, despite the accident
the Russian navy is afraid of the water.
beat me too it. Here's another instead.
Their modern drones worked well from the start it was just so comically small. Their Syrian trained 5th generation (state-of-the-art) war complex (AD/drones/strikes) seem to have been more than sufficient too but again too small and optimized for defense. I'm still horrified about Russian intelligence performance in Ukraine. How did they get turfed so comprehensively?
>but are there any weapons or weapon systems that have proven themselves or even overperformed in some capacity?
the T-72 was very good when it first came out
composite armor, smoothbore gun with APFSDS, 2-plane stabilizer that didnt suck, a ballistic computer in 1970
the M60A1 still used steel armor, a rifled unstabilized gun, but at least it had a better computer
it didnt get a stabilizer until 72, and it didnt get long-rods until 78, and it never did get composite armor
T-72 wasn't the frontline tank, though. It was T-64 and much later T-80
>T-72 wasn't the frontline tank,
its was by far their most numerous tank from the 70s onwards and would have been used in the heaviest of fighting
t-72 didn't get composite until 1979 with the t72a models
T-72 had composite armor on the hull out of the factory, it was textolite and steel
Now post the reverse speed
this is the cringe that is so cringe even ben garrison is too ashamed to put his name on, it's literally cringe all the way down
They're genuinely pretty decent at making air defense missiles and their artillery systems are fine.
I like the Russian brand of small arms autism with its counterbalances and other weirdness.
shutup vatmoron. russians never made anything worthy and are clearly all subhumans and so on
It because they're not even making any jokes or witticisms. It's just them bragging about their toys, which is especially cringe now that we know how fucking bad they suck and/or how bad their stockpiles have been bled by corruption. It's saber rattling, but with a scabbard we now know is empty.
I remember the days when Turkey entered Syria and shot down the russian plane. Everyone shit themselves and larped about how russia would take out turkey in two weeks. Everyone believed the russian bluffs. Today? Turkey alone could buttfuck Russia beyons recognition.
I remember people saying that the black sea fleet would wipe out Istanbul if Erdogan closed the Bosphorus lmao.
Most known soviet-era small arms were good. Not just "cheap to manufacture good", but good enough to be further developed in NATO's calibers by independent countries long after CCCP collapsed. Pic related.
the t72 and t64 made the russians have a tank advantage between 1972/3 and 1978, as one guy who I've had a long argument about shit like the m735 said
basically their AA is either good enough or at least feared to be good enough for most 4th to 4.5 gen aircraft.
BMP-1 lit. introduced IFVs as a concept.
Useless now though due to being outdated.
Id say S-400. Russian air defense systems seem to be decent
MiG 31, and it's R-33 missiles, and the S-300/S-400 seems decent
R-37M is the good one.
I believe (?) It can be carried by Flanker, but I'm not sure how the radar compares between Su-35 and MiG-31
since you ask, no, I didn't call you weak. Nobody did, before the war. the problem was the opposite, that your army was percieved as too strong.
but then you showed your hand, you absolute pants on head retarded person.
btw, are these 'memes' unironic? Is this what passes for a 'meme' in puccia?
there is no punchline. I don't get it. why does the russiaball have the pixar smug face?
unapologetically posting my own edit
shut up I made this one
this is me and
(you) are a piece of shit for making me do the most high effort post on PrepHole I've ever done
Wow you opened photoshop, cut a few things and made a timestamp, what you expect fellow u/k/rainians to pay you for your effort. This is my work and (you) know this, now go look for other OC stuff to steal
Rpk rpd etc, sov light machine guns
Lada niva (not specifically military but there's a lot of them serving it seems)
Rpg7, because cost, simplicity and wide spread/use
Not an aircraft nerd but plenty of soviet fighters held their own back in the day
Mi series helicopters are Bulletproof as far as i understand, very well renound reliable design
Depends what you consider "better" for a lot of those, if you're a cashstrapped nation you can get a lot of reliable battle tested ex sov firepower cheap
Their small arms are still pretty decent.
I've seen no screencaps from Russian PrepHole how have they been coping?
Draftee threads must have quite the thing
lol i didnt know there was so many of these shitty comics made, i only saw the poland rape edits and couldnt find anymore on google because they censor everything now.
I shill for T-90M. The patent for APS was confirmed so that's it. Sayonara!
Imagine Ukies capturing a T-90M, there is an empty space where the APS is supposed to be placed. There is just a tiny sticker saying "The patent for APS was confirmed" in russian.
wasn't there one of those parked in at some gas station in Louisiana for a week?
I'm not even joking. it happened last month.
The truck transporting it broke down apparently.
Doesn't burgerstan have more tigers than both of them put together?
No, tigers are endemic to Asia. We do have five species of big cats, wolves, coyotes, and three species of bears though.
There are more tigers in captivity tha in the wild. Guess, where all the captive breed tigers are located?
Texas. As a Texan, I take pride in knowing all things Texas, have Texas pride, and my love for Texas is unquestionable. Did I also tell you I'm from Texas? Because I'm from Texas.
Yes. There are 10k tigers in captivity in Texas alone
What are the origins of the rapist ball face?
RPG-7? 62 years and it's still going.
It’s just too good, it smash, I think that’s the browning machine gun of rocket launchers.
1. Most of their air defence is pretty good when they bother to turn it on.
2. T-90M seems like their only usable and actual modern tank (that actually exists)
3. Most of their artillery is still pretty vicious (tbf all artillery is vicious), they're just using it awfully and don't have infinite ammunition
4. Not great but it seems like if you strap that big fuck-off stand-off missile (Kihnzahl? can't fucking remember) to a Mig-31 it seems to deter the Ukrainians at least.
Nothing else comes to mind. Everything else off the top of my head has been actual moron tier garbage. I'm sure I can think of 1 or 2 more systems as the day goes on and I ponder.
This is based on expectations, cost, and reporting by combatants. Some systems I rarely hear about so I won't include them. If your troops are complaining or your enemy is mocking you, it isn't good. If your enemy is complaining and your troops are asking for more, it is a good sign:
ERA cryptophone system
Mosin (just by still existing)
9k35 Strela -10
152MM Msta howitzers
152mm 2S19 Msta-S
That's all I can think of. Hopefully it causes some arguments.
They must be in performed bro.
1. Ukrainians made a lengthy video mocking the T-90 series after going over its flaws. They get regularly destroyed by ATGMs, they break down and get abandoned by their crews. Ukrainians even argued it was inferior to a fully upgraded T-72. Given the costs involved, I think it should be kept in underperforming. Your best tank would not be the subject of ridicule if it was performing well.
2. The Terminator and its inaccurate fire and obvious lack of mission profile has been the subject of much internet mockery. It has no substantial victories or videos to its credit, it has been regularly taken out and even captured. I know of no videos of praise from Ukrainians or Russians over its performance. It is a flawed platform that is not showing it was worth the development and production costs over simply adding more BMP3's to Russia's IFV fleet.
3. Multiple Ka-52's have been taken out by Ukrainian anti-tank missiles. Not stingers, not western ATGMs, Ukrainian designed and built laser-guided Stugnas. Their countermeasures have been visibly ineffective in more than one video and there is a ton of evidence to show them having wing trembling due to fatigue/overloading/poor maintenance/poor-design. Ukraine says that, despite Russian claims about being impervious to small arms, they're actually vulnerable to 7.62 rounds. They're dropping like flies according to OSINT data, and Russia doesn't have enough of them in the first place. An overbuilt, un-survivable, flying trashcan.
Move the t-90 and add ags-30 to performed and I would agree
also Orlan is the main reason ukrain have losses at all so if anything has overperformed it's Orlan
The R-7 family had a short life as an ICBM but is still in service today as Soyuz. All of the US's ICBM derived boosters except strap on SRBs are retired.
>but have you heard about my
S P A C E T I G E R S
Anything India has bought since the 2000s would be a good bet.
Russian arms purchased even though Western/alternatives were available. Looking at the T-90, Su-30MKI, ak203, etc. And India tends to upgrade these to be better than the Russian version too - Indian T90s don't waste time with pointless Shtora systems, Indian T-72s use their own upgraded FCS, the list goes on.
Looking at what India cancelled/refused to buy is even more telling. Su-57, Su-75 (for now), Ka-31...India opted for Derby missiles after noting that the R77 sucked.
Lancets impressed me, 20k drone able to kill armored vehicles worth hundreds of thousands usd, last week i saw a clio of it destroying a $115m ukie vehicle.also given how neither side cant flight high their aa must be great as well
>able to kill armored vehicles worth hundreds of thousands usd
Well, are they though& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quVkxdjrwtI
What kind of a vehicle costs 115m?
Have you not heard? HATO gave the the Ukranian fascists all of their F22 Raptor fighter planes in order to more effectively genocide it´s russian speaking population. Typicall fascists! luckily thanks to the help of several defectors (ukranian army is plagued by such issues) th precise coordinates could be given to glorious russian airforce who swiftly took them out with an absolutely domestically produced drone, froit of russian ingenuity, that only costs 200 Dollars to make. So one russian drone that costs 200 Dollars takes out fascist jet that costs 115 million per unit! This is why Russia will win the special military operation.
>Good Russian weapon
I was going to say western pro-russia propagandist, but I can't call that good.
I can understand why Russians would publish completely retarded lies because they are in a bubble, few real information will even counter their lies while disobeying mean their child will report and have them sent to Gulag.
But the western guys,
The ones who actually have to reverse overwhelming obvious proof Russia are the bloody invader.
The ones who have their own agenda and shouldn't want to be seen as Russian pawns
The ones who should know repeating a lie don't work if it's so bad it's counter productive
So what it is? Trying to cater to Moskow to have money sent their way? Just ads money from clic-bait picture? Do I overestimate human intellect again?
I know, I know, sane people don't need these extra caption. It's the perspective, if I didn't know more from Garisson I'd think he's fighting against Russia by satirizing their retarded logic.
Here, I explained all the Ben for you.
Where did that meme come from again?
Ben "Gas 'em All" Garrison is a failed political cartoonist that has a modicum of artistic talent, but no sense of wit. As a result, he's infamous for labeling absolutely everything with text because he doesn't get how real political cartoons work.
It's therefore funny to just swap out all of his labels with 'cum' because his cartoons have zero visual context without the book's worth of labels.
thanks bot, now post moar polandballs pls
Absolute nonsense. Most, if not all, political cartoons are exactly like that.
>Most, if not all, political cartoons are exactly like that.
does have a point. A political cartoonist that knows his craft does not need to label shit. Personally I do not like the style of Charlie Hebdo, but I can inmediately understand the message/joke of about half of their covers and I do not even speak french. Note how on pic related the human figure does not have a label saying "THE PROPHET MOHAMED" and the sign does not say "THE HIPOCRISY OF FALSE SOLIDARITY OF THE ELITES" or some shit like that. It just works by itself and anyone with more than 4 braincells can understand it.
I'm pretty sure Ben thinks "allegory" is just what they call Al Gore in Italy.
the russian shilling on twitter has been a wakeup call tho - after gg and blm and the last near-decade of culture warring i was pretty on board with people like Ian Miles Cheong and Posobiec and such and such. their attitudes since the war started made me realize i'd been an absolute fucking fool for sticking with a side like that.
the ukraine war has been almost hitler-tier in ensuring dominance of liberal ideas, pretty much every rightist from trump to the sweden democrats to internet retards had some form of "well look at russia" before this and now they all got embarassed
>Thread is about poland ball based weapon
have more balls.
It is funny the Russian discovered the US, as brainwashed as it is by pro-business/plutocrat/right-wings/whatever propaganda, will still fight against anything-Soviet out of sheer habit.
Had the Monkey Putin not been riding on Soviet-memes, he would have it easier pretending to be a counter to (nonRussian) imperialism.
>Pro-business, right-wing, plutocrat
Brainwashed Soviet 5th column leftygay
AK is unironically the only good weapon russians ever made
You 4got the moist nuggyt
Nugget is a pos made by troglodytes. The only good nuggets are made by Remington and Finns
All Russian tanks are good tanks, especially for their era
T-62s and T-72s were very impressive when they came out
Soviet Anti-Air systems also proved themselves very effective in the 60's/70's
Soviet rocket artillery also gets the job done
No, stop. The T-62 was roughly equivalent to western MBTs when it came out.
The T-64 WOULD have been impressive had it not suffered so many early teething issues and a decade ahead of its time. The T-72 was, and always has been garbage. The T-80 is fine, but by the time it came out, the west had Abrams and Leopard II.
Soviets SAM systems were fine in the 1950's to 1980's but by the 1990's had fallen behind the west and are now one SEAD/DEAD campaign by mass stealth fighters from irrelevancy.
Soviet Rocket Artillery has been demonstrably ineffective in Ukraine due to their lack of precision.
Anything with the potential to be good has been stifled by a crippling lack of maintenance.
also the russian arty keeps hammering away while western has problems from continouos use.
>also the russian arty keeps hammering away while western has problems from continouos use.
where are you getting this.
Russians are forced to shoots 50 shells per target because they can't hit anything, shells spread likes 20 meter away.
Western weapons hit a 1m target per shell but there's a lot of Russian to kill and only gave Ukraine a tenth of their stocks.