Germany orders 123 Schwere Waffentrger

We are slowly getting there.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-wins-27-bln-eur-order-heavy-weapons-carriers-germany-2024-03-21/

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >it trägs Waffen

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >123
    why such an odd number?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      One of two things. They either figured out exactly how many they need and the three in an arbitrary percentage for spares. Or this is only the first of multiple orders.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I guess there will be additional orders in the near future.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why such an odd number?
      Actual TO&Es are always somewhat odd numbers because of the need for command post and recovery variants, and spares

      https://i.imgur.com/jR9y605.gif

      By that math, each one of these costs fricking 21 million euros. What the absolute frick? Is this just pure fricking graft?

      >mongoloid reads the price tag on modern AFVs for the first time

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      10 "Kompanien" with each 3 "Züge" á 4 vehicles, + 3 vehicles for training and certification purposes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they're only buying them in exchange for Australia buying Boxer and hopefully giving them an industrial base to sell to non-NATO countries in Asia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      eins zwei drei, schwere Waffen träging by

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    By that math, each one of these costs fricking 21 million euros. What the absolute frick? Is this just pure fricking graft?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      inflation hits hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Inflation. Either you got money to buy the good stuff or you are poor and buy shitty korean equipment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe because procuring vehicles isnt just about buying them but also about actualy maintaining and training personnel on them and etc

        >why such an odd number?
        Actual TO&Es are always somewhat odd numbers because of the need for command post and recovery variants, and spares

        [...]
        >mongoloid reads the price tag on modern AFVs for the first time

        750 million are for long-term logistics and maintenance
        >At the same time, the committee approved an "Integrated Logistic Support" contract worth almost 750 million euros to ensure the operational capability of the new wheeled armored vehicle fleet after delivery.
        You people should never be in charge of procurement, you'd just end up with rusty, unusable vehicles

        >Germans instantly jumping to rage coping

        We should have never given you the Marshall plan money. Should have just gone the Morgenthau route and nuked you and the Russians all at once

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Uh ja ja ja ja jawohl homie
          Browning brrra brrra brrra brrra brrra homie
          Dresden AAAH AAAH AAAH AAAH AAAH homie

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          China can make it for a penny but sell it for a dorra
          Russia can make it for 10 bucks but sell it for a million
          Germany can make it for 1000 bucks but sell it for 30 million
          USA makes it for 100.000 bucks but sells it for 30 billions per vehicle but since USA prints money ad infinitum and a trillion is the new billion it'll be 30 trillions per vehicle.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know germany paid back all of that money Pidor?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not a kraut, homosexual
          >Should have just gone the Morgenthau route and nuked you and the Russians all at once
          add Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Bordeaux and Rouen to the list and we have a deal

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You know germany paid back all of that money Pidor?

          Meh, Marshall plan is overrated.
          You don't need it if you have a sane economic system. Burger unemployment was insanely high in the 1930's.
          Then they got jelly at Germany and decided to destroy it, in revenge for the Japanese attack on pearl harbor or something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      turns out that the european procurement model of buying ten units at a time is a really fricking bad idea

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe because procuring vehicles isnt just about buying them but also about actualy maintaining and training personnel on them and etc

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        will rheinmetall train crews and provide maintenance?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick do you think? Deliver them and say figure out the rest yourself?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        New Marine ACVs don't cost anywhere near that amount and their per unit cost includes the maintenance for their 20 year projected lifespan.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're also downgrades from the AAV.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How?

            ACV 30mm variant is getting procured this financial year too.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >How?
              the moron is only looking at dismount capacity no doubt

              They're also downgrades from the AAV.

              they're optimised for combat on land instead of being glorified ship to shore people movers

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if manufacturers are paid for maintenance, then it's no wonder that everything breaks down if you skip one bed night story

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you sound like you've never bought a car before, or only secondhands

            https://i.imgur.com/YISq6rV.jpg

            New Marine ACVs don't cost anywhere near that amount and their per unit cost includes the maintenance for their 20 year projected lifespan.

            if these are "weapon carriers" then they are likely to be carrying the new Bundeswehr air defence systems and they will be much more complicated and expensive than an ACV

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      750 million are for long-term logistics and maintenance
      >At the same time, the committee approved an "Integrated Logistic Support" contract worth almost 750 million euros to ensure the operational capability of the new wheeled armored vehicle fleet after delivery.
      You people should never be in charge of procurement, you'd just end up with rusty, unusable vehicles

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You people should never be in charge of procurement
        I would ban contraceptives and shit out T-72 by the hundreds every year. There's literally no counter for endless waves of rusty tin cans

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >medium forces
    Is this similar to the Stryker medium-weight brigade combat team?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically, yes. The German variant of the new NATO force design medium forces has 3 brigades built almost exclusively on the Boxer platform.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Waffenträger
    Getting Wehrmacht vibes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They used to call the Mauser M18 the Volksrepetier
      I was like "Damn, they're really using the word Volk in 2020? Based." They then realized it sounded faintly Nazi because it's no longer called that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Volk just means "people". Words like Volksvertretung (representative body of the people/parliament) are still commonly used.
        thanks for reading
        t. Hans-Günther

  6. 3 weeks ago
    caius

    Germanons please tell your representatives that replacing the Wiesel is unacceptable. Supplement ONLY, no REPLACE

    >Der »Schwere Waffenträger Infanterie«, wie der Fahrzeugtyp genannt wird, soll den Minipanzer Wiesel ersetzen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wiesel has no place in today's world

      • 3 weeks ago
        caius

        Idc. It cute. Give it base duty or something.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong, counter offensives against Russians embedded in treelines. The little guys would be a godsend.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Paratroopers etc. get to keep them and are getting a separate, similar weight and size replacement

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        On that note, are there any news on the LuWa?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pros and cons of these vehicles? What can they offer for that price?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Schwerer Waffentraeger Infanterie
    If I understand it correctly this is a Boxer model "Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle – RECON II" which is the same/similar combat reconnaissance model the Australians bought. They just call it Boxer CRV but Schwerer Waffentraeger Infanterie ("sWaTrg Inf" for short) works too I guess.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can they still carry troops?

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    without shells useless

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bot

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And by "we" I hope you mean Australia.

    CHA-FRICKING-CHING

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the order for 123 Boxers?
    Whats Germanys total planned boxer fleet?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those are light fire support vehicles for the 3 medium brigades Bundeswehr is currently setting up. The total amount of Boxers to be acquired is unknown. As the BW is trying to put as many specialized vehicles on the Boxer platform, including artillery and AD, I would guess it will be in the thousands eventually. They are basically replacing every nontracked vehicle apart from trucks that is being phased out with some Boxer variant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They are basically replacing every nontracked vehicle apart from trucks that is being phased out with some Boxer variant.
        Needlessly expensive for the capability, but hey it pumps up the defence spending numbers and pays the industrialists' salaries

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They are basically replacing every nontracked vehicle apart from trucks that is being phased out with some Boxer variant.
        No they aren't, everyone who doesn't need the heavily armored Boxer or requires amphibious capability is going to get the Transportpanzer Neue Generation, which will be either the Patria 6x6 as part of CAVS, the Pandur Evolution or the Fuchs 1A9
        The military seems set on the Patria option, especially now that NEMO has been selected as the future mortar carrier weapon

        https://www.hartpunkt.de/transportpanzer-neue-generation-der-zeiger-bei-der-fuchs-nachfolge-deutet-auf-patria/

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Krauts being the BVLLs of Europe as always.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >those pants on head moronic prices
    ...this is just pure grift, right?

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