>Germany agreed to sell Ukraine 100 PzH2000

>Germany agreed to sell Ukraine 100 PzH2000

Vatsisters..... Scholz betrayed us!

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know much about SPAGs. How does the PzH2000 compare to the Polish Crab and the Soviet models the Ukies have?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Krab/K9 is about 9 million $ a piece. PzH2000 is 17 million euro. They are larger, heavier and generally better systems but also crazy expensive.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >larger, heavier, better systems
        >crazy expensive
        It's just like my WW2 vidya games.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "Smart" can blow up only one tank?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Up to two, it has two submunitions.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More analogous to CEASER, enhanced range (~40km) and GPS corrected FCS plus Semi-autoloaded.
      Krab is more like M109.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >enhanced range (~40km) and GPS corrected FCS plus Semi-autoloaded
        That's Krab.
        PzH is that plus full autoloader + more armour.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >armour
          How much armour does a PzH 2000 have exactly? I always understood it that self-propelled artillery is most protected from small arms fire and nothing more.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Enough to protect it from counterbattery fire and cluster bomblets

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              M109 is about 28 ton. Krab is 48 ton. PzH2000 is 60 ton. They are almost as well armored as tanks.

              Holy sheeet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, i can also function an an emergency tank

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            M109 is about 28 ton. Krab is 48 ton. PzH2000 is 60 ton. They are almost as well armored as tanks.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The base pzh 2000 weighs less than a Leo 2. The 60 ton version comes with a top armor package that protects from autocannons in helis or jets.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Huh, early on I was seeing sources listing Krab as ~30km bracket, but now I'm seeing stuff stating it as ~40km.
          I'll take the L on the rest, fair enough.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They both have a L/52 barrel, and shoot 40km with base bleed.
            PzH is officially certified for Excalibur (Krab isn't) though that's probably a formality, and PzH also has some fancy programmable airburst munitions.
            On the other Ukraine also has a lot of Polish drones that were built from the outset as arty spotters for Krab's BMS and are tightly integrated into the FCS. PzH's Adler BMS had to be reworked to interoperate with GIS Arta to be useful.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not full autoloader, only projectile ramming. You still need to manually load the propellant, like in most other systems

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the pzh2000 is like a swiss clock. good shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      PzH 2000 is superior in every way

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Scholz betrayed us
    Shouldn't have said he had a dirty ass crack you dumb morons.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Germany says it will X
    I'll believe it when the ukes take delivery and not before. Good on them if they intend to follow through though.

    If.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >10x PzH 2000 + ammo + training
      >delivered
      >3x MARS II + ammo + training
      >delivered
      >5/30 Gepards + ammo + training delivered more to come in coming weeks
      Germans are slow but they've delivered all the heavy gear promised.

      These howitzers don't exist and won't exist for years.
      Schwulz is spouting PR bullshit again.

      Seeth more Vatnik. Mess with the gas and get fucked.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They snapped with that last gas cut after they went though all the work betraying everyone to get them that turbine. When the Russian betrayed them and lied to their face and never intended up uphold the deal the immediate response was to ship the Gepard and MARS. This is just the newest phase of retaliation. I think the Germans figured out there is no going back by appeasement to the prewar.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany is not saying shit. A private german company is selling weapons to Ukraine. That's it.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These howitzers don't exist and won't exist for years.
    Schwulz is spouting PR bullshit again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actuallz, Scholz isn´t saying anything. A newspaper claims they obtained information that the german government secretly approved the sale of these 100 Pzh2000´s.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    DeepL: Berlin (dts) - The German government has approved the sale of 100 modern self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine. This was reported by "Der Spiegel" with reference to its own information.

    According to the report, the responsible Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology already granted the German arms manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) a production permit for the systems of the type "Panzerhaubitze2000" on 13 July. As reported by Der Spiegel, Ukraine had already asked KMW in April whether the howitzers could be purchased directly from the manufacturer. KMW then immediately submitted a corresponding offer. KMW confirmed the arms deal to Der Spiegel.

    A spokesperson told the magazine that KMW had submitted a corresponding application to the Ministry of Economics on 11 July and received approval just two days later. The spokesperson put the budget for the 100 self-propelled howitzers at 1.7 billion euros. This volume would exceed the previous arms deliveries worth about 600 million euros many times over. KMW is now to begin production of the weapon systems immediately.

    However, it is still unclear when the first howitzers will be delivered to Ukraine. The production of all howitzers is likely to take several years. In recent weeks, the German government had already delivered several systems of the type "Panzerhaubitze2000" from Bundeswehr stocks to Ukraine. Ukrainian soldiers had previously been trained on the system in Germany.

    Depending on the ammunition used, the "self-propelled howitzer 2000" can fire 30 to 40 kilometres. KMW says that the modalities for production have been clarified with the Ukrainian side. Production will begin. The prerequisite for this is that sufficient material, including armour steel and other important components, can now be procured.

    Spiegel" quotes company circles as being optimistic in this respect. Sufficient personnel are available. The tubes for the war equipment are supplied by the Düsseldorf-based Rheinmetall Group.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >However, it is still unclear when the first howitzers will be delivered to Ukraine.
      this is the key problem tbh, time, maybe they could agree some kinda deal with Germany that it hands over existing Bundeswehr stocks and keeps the 100 produced later

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The German army only has about a 100 of the things in the first place so this is pretty unlikely to happen.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Indian Shill

    >100 pzh2000's
    So how many years before they deliver it.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sell

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, kinda like how Poles gave 18 Krabs and sold the rest

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      With the billions in aid that the Germans already sent them, yes.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Artillery
    >Artillery
    >Artillery
    Why was the Warhammer 40,000 the only piece of popular culture that truly represented modern warfare?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because in the Grim Darkness of the Near Present there are only wars waged by shithole countries as the major countries with actual capabilities to wage complex modern wars would get economically ruined by the consequences of waging war against their peers and even some near peers making their entire armies nearly as good at MAD as their nuclear arsenal

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Isn't mostly the Guard that uses artillery ("indirect fire rules")? Back when I played tho, they could genuinely fuck your shit with it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah it is, in the lore they're most of human forces too, and humans are most of the galaxy minus orks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because you don't have any exposure to actual wargames.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    any footage of PzH2000 in action?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only very little. Some firing and some drone footage of smart shells destroying a T-80.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only very little. Some firing and some drone footage of smart shells destroying a T-80.

      If they're willing to buy a 100 of the things, I'd guess they are happy with their free samples so far.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sell

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those 100 are still TO BE PRODUCED

    this will take years to go to ukraine

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It'll take a while but this war is there to last. I highly doubt it'll end before they start making to Ukraine.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So this means that they believe Ukraine will still exist and will be a buffer against Russia on the long term.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The first one won't be in theater until the war is already over

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