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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As often tends to happen when you are on the verge of losing a world war and coping

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair to the Nazis (I know I shouldn't, but whatever), a lot of the whack-ass designs like the Gotha Go P.60 never got past wind tunnel mockups. Some never even got past technical drawings.

      Apart from the fact that Nazi Germany was on the verge of collapse and they were basically throwing shit at the wall as pointed out. A lot of these projects would have been either "busy work" by engineers who avoid being potentially sent to the frontlines or creating fancy widgets to WOW the Führer into giving them a bigger budget, which they could then either redirect to more practical projects or just straight-up embezzle.

      >blah blah blah commies were worse
      The Nazi state was more of a force of personality than the Soviet Union was. There was little chance of a coup or internal change in direction at all. Chances are the regime would have turned to the same way to deal with manpower problems as it was during the war when it came to workers - forced labor. Of the roughly 12 million who died in the Holocaust, at least a million to two million were workers taken from occupied nations in Europe and forced to work under horrific conditions for 16 hour shifts in factories. Even the “good Nazis” like Speer were enthusiastic about the use of forced labor. The racial laws were a fundamental part of the state. So yeah, reform was highly fricking unlikely.

      The only reason theres Eastern Europeans who look at the Nazis as “preferable” is half a century of Soviet hegemony over them. Half a century of Nazi control would have been as bad, if not worse depending on the tendency of Nazis to put anyone they saw as inferior into work camps, so most of Eastern Europe. It wouldn’t have gone well for them no matter who won that fight and if the Nazis won there’d be a decent amount of people simping for the Soviets there as the “liberators we were denied” and that sort of shit. Soviet occupation was really really bad, but the amount of shit the Nazis pulled is on par.

      I mostly agree with you but the Nazis were a bit more flexible on their racial policies than they're sometimes given credit for, especially when it came to Slavs and especially when they were losing. Assuming Nazi Germany didn't tear itself apart in civil war the moment Hitler croaked, his successor would likely have been willing to make some pragmatic reforms, lest places like Reichskommissariat Ukraine become ungovernable ulcers or the SS turn into a literal Qanon schizo conspiracy theory-tier Deep State.

      https://i.imgur.com/U0kSxMF.gif

      Honestly this design isn't that bad. Fairly similar to how early post-war strategic bombers like Handley Page Victor and Tu-16 turned out.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    and then americans copied them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      a flying wing is a natural conclusion you would come to and there was nothing to copy anyway

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Anons, can anyone remind me which country first developed a flying wing aircraft?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Germany. You donkey. They had a flying wing in 1944 but it crashed in 1945.
        They even had 100 models on order by the end of the war, then Brits and Merifats took their research. You can even see a Ho229 in the Smithsonian.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Jack Northrop would like a word with you.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The N1M built by jack Northrup was already flying in 1940. Unironically have a nice day, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Jack Northrop
            Each time we shall witness his name, we shall remember he died happy despite all the hardships he endured.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Northrop is based.
              >B21 delivered on time and under budget.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            these batshit crazy projects kept german scientists and engineers off the frontline

            and unlike the flying wing depicted by OP, Northrup's flying wing didn't use horizontal stabilizers. And honestly, who gives a shit about flying wings? They weren't practical until fly by wire was develop anyway.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            a shame he ran out of test pilots so quickly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Building on what

          https://i.imgur.com/vWBkoMv.jpeg

          The N1M built by jack Northrup was already flying in 1940. Unironically have a nice day, moron.

          said... N9M, first flew in 1942. Going back even further there was the Stout Batwing, also American, in 1919, though that one had vertical stabilizers.

          Seethe

          I'm sorry, you seem to be under the impression the ME-262 is some kind of wonder weapon? The fighter jet that had an engine lifespan of 10 hours? 25 at best while the allies were at over a 100 with the Derwent? We were already finding ways to counter them with P-51s, you know. prop planes? P-80s and Meteors which moved faster, accelerated faster and had more than enough gun would've wiped the floor with Schwalbes, especially given we could actually afford to produce them en-masse AND train pilots to good standard while the Germans were throwing away their aces against bomber formations. Cope, Seethe. The Nazis lost for a fricking lot of reasons.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oooooh no, sorry, Nazi, but the correct answer was AMERICA, the inventors of powered heavier-than-air flight. The funny thing is the N-1M, despite being a marvel of engineering, is rarely remembered in the US. We just simply don't care that much about interesting failures, unlike Nazis who have lionized a list of rattletrap wunderwaffe that didn't save Hitler from blowing his brains out.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Retype your post when you’re done stroking out

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A whole day and that's the best you could come up with? lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well depends on where you decide where the finish line is. Several groups was futzing around with the concept on both sides of the Atlantic, including Hugo Junker. If we're going with 'the first flying wing to take off under its own power, prototype or production model', then its the Soviets that have that honor.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Incorrect, the Bongs had a flying wing flying before the Soviets even existed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Frick.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'll charitably assume bait rather than moronation

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm just gonna assume you're referencing the B2 Spirit. Jack Northrop began development on the YB35 (picrel) in 1941, long before the Germans were desperate enough to even think about making shit like this.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germans were fiddling with the flying wing concept since the interwar period I believe. The idea was around, the theoretical knowledge was there since the early '20s. There's no indication that any of the famous teams were in contact with each other: both Prandtl and Horten got to the same aerodynamic result without sharing informations, Northrop wasn't in contact with the Germans at all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Horton bros were flying flying wings in the 30s. The first flying wing was in like 1912 or some shit.
        Northrop YBs had pretty much nothing to do with the B2 outside of general appearance.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >flying flying wings in the 30s
          The frick they were, go chug whermact cum somewhere else you stupid frick. They were gliding some wings with tails. Entirely fricking different and behind Northrup anyways. have a nice day.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but even the earliest horton gliders were tailless and the H2 was already a powered fixed-wing design.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why are you getting overly emotional about this? you're also wrong.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    http://www.luft46.com/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      dafuq

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      May the lord protect my soul and sanity, im about to open the Blohm and Voss section

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Manmade horrors beyond comprehension.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing unusual here.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          B&V P.211
          Legend has it that the B&V board of directors publicly executed the designer for the crime of sanity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >pov: you just submitted a sane design to B&V

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/kNycWEy.jpeg

          B&V P.211
          Legend has it that the B&V board of directors publicly executed the designer for the crime of sanity.

          completely normal stuff

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Actually meth

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They were on pervitin, not crack.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's the B2! I wonder if they designed the Chinook too. I've always liked it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/U0kSxMF.gif

      this looks so neat. shame we didn't see more of it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/U0kSxMF.gif

      https://i.imgur.com/1Q0yPDH.jpeg

      Unironically love me 1946 kraut designs, they look very cool
      Simple as

      I got the book (PDF) of that and two other ones.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Can you post a link to it? Would love to read it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I found it for you.
          https://annas-archive.org/md5/63f77c7b592d9f31bacdce89f0e5dfcb

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/BMD20NF.jpeg

            [...]
            It's the three PDFs or the jpg folders, there's also a Squadron Signal folder you can take a peek in.
            https://mega.nz/folder/hkwGkJ5K#a5Ew1HVHmYhi_Cd2wlsreg

            Based, thank you both
            I love this 1946 stuff and the drawings are beautiful so the more the merrier

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I found it for you.
          https://annas-archive.org/md5/63f77c7b592d9f31bacdce89f0e5dfcb

          It's the three PDFs or the jpg folders, there's also a Squadron Signal folder you can take a peek in.
          https://mega.nz/folder/hkwGkJ5K#a5Ew1HVHmYhi_Cd2wlsreg

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What were the Soviets on, then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stolen bits of B&Vs supply. Those fricks were supposed to share with us but all we got was a bunch of contact highs from the recovered engineers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Krokodile.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, they kind of had something going. Would've had a lot of teething issues but the basic concept is sound. The real issue for the Germans was not settling on something and actually seeing it into fruition.

      This was a crack addled dream though, the idea of hitting bombers with a frickoff huge gun at standoff ranges from a jet is questionable.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yep, the germans looked into the future

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Die Glocke isreal

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pervitin, pharmaceutical grade meth

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what are your political views
      >teenaged angst

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ashurbanipal, is that you?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My name is Ash anon, but there is no banning your friend.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't know

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Ashurbanipal,
        Check'd and liked-by-me ancient name.
        For me it's also the later-period Cartimandua (person) and Sarmizegetusa (place)

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          For me it’s Arnuwanda II and Numatar I.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based. Chance is correct btw. Disregard the lies. all you had to do was trust chance and leave him alone unharmed uninjured. Never show him footage. Never speak to him no audio no footage no meddling of any kind . AND LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    everyone made drawings or mockups of giant ridiculous crap they had no actual ability to build

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the drawings are so cool I will try to get a degree in engineering just to frick up with the israeli-bolsheviks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      1946 was just going to be Ace Combat if the war kept going

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        we should get a game with all the fricked up german prototypes

        and I know that Il-2 1946 exists

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Secret Weapons over Normandy?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It’s called Crimson Skies and it was so fricking cool and WHEN YOU HIT THE GROUND, TELL ‘EM NATHAN ZACHARY SENT YOU

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everyone except US, you mean.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, I'm a fan of the KX-03 myself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How the frick would it even take off without ripping itself in half?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          probably wouldn't at all.
          I can't imagine this thing even overcoming hull drag with 1940s engine technology. Much less Japanese 1940s engine technology..

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This bomber looks like it's about to blot out the sun permanently.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Should have tried cocaine instead

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >never talk to me or my son ever again

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >coke over meth
      That shit ain't got no legs, homie.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this is my triebflugel, it triebs flugels

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/IFnRArm.gif

      can't make working bombers, can't make working fighters, can't make working tanks that don't immediately break, can't stop their cities from burning, but what krauts can do is dream of new york in rubble. to each his own.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but what krauts can do is dream of new york in rubble
        hitler was a mad lad
        he loved his vengeance weapons

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >can't make working tanks that don't immediately break
        Tankies were actually jealous of how long German tank transmissions lasted compared to their own.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          no

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Literal warcrime.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          don't bomb other countries then gaygit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        German warfare didn’t rely on terrorizing the population in impotent bombing runs. Nor did Germany have the capacity to produce endless explosives.
        German tanks were far above their immediate peers and German aircraft were successfully able to deny aerial supremacy on two fronts for 5 years.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >German warfare didn’t rely on terrorizing the population in impotent bombing runs.
          ????
          > able to deny aerial supremacy on two fronts for 5 years.
          ??????????
          Did the Germans win Battle of Britain where you come from?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you know what aerial supremacy is?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >yeah, we totally stopped them from having complete and unmitigated control of our own skies
              Not an achievement. The allies still had general and localized aerial superiority for large portions of the war and the germans never were able to achieve anything more than parity before 1942.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is a huge achievement when you look at how the Germans evaded Lanchesters law while contesting the skies while terribly outnumbered.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah. Designers just had the choice between producing something, no matter how outlandish, or being drafted to the eastern front.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >crack
    Not quite, but sort of ..

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Meth is the fuel of every high-achieving intellectual field.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      give my catalytic converters back.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember that time when Saunders Roe designed a straight up flying cruise ship powered by TWENTY FOUR turbojet engines?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We have to go back.

      This bomber looks like it's about to blot out the sun permanently.

      It was designed around an earth-penetrating earthquake bomb (because that design for the bomb was just too huge and heavy for any conventional aircraft to carry), the bomb would have been dropped from a great enough height that it would penetrate deep into the bedrock before detonating, resulting in an underground artificial cavern rather than a crater. That cavern would have made the entire surface within a significant distance of the impact point geologically unstable from then until someone actually dug down to refill the cavern/repair the bedrock. Squadrons of these would have been able to make entire German cities all but permanently uninhabitable in a single raid.

      The only reason it wasn't built was that the RAF was doing 'well enough' with the more conventional aircraft and ordnance, and they didn't want to use limited production space/materials on something that might work a little better rather than something that was definitely working now.

      Air Marshall Harris wanted to unleash the whirlwind, but Barnes Wallis (who designed this bomb and bomber) wanted to make the Earth itself tremble in fear at the sight of British bombers.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Jesus Christ

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was war, a World War at that. There are no prizes for second place or 'most sportsmanlike behaviour' in that sort of conflict. Besides, of the two plans Britain had during WWII to turn all of Europe into an uninhabitable blacksite for the foreseeable future Barnes Wallis's idea was the less terrifying one.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It was war, a World War at that
            Man, what kind of war would you even call that?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              A 'Big Fight'? 'A Period of Significant International Tension'? A 'Global Kerfuffle'?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Oi mate, we have these few crates with random left-over parts from aircraft design. What we are going to do with these?
                >Hand me a wrench, a god cuppa and a few moments, old chap...

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Libby was built to be a carrier aircraft, that weird shape was meant to give the pilot better visibility for landing on a carrier. It just had the bad luck to be a kinda janky looking design that was presented to the British War Office a few days after they'd realised that jet engines were awesome.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Big Battle
                La Guerra Global
                The Earthwide Entanglement

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Barnes Wallis's idea was the less terrifying one.
            Pray tell, which one was the worst besides Churchill's one of using chemical weapons if things went breasts up?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Churchill's plan to use basically all of the chemical weapons on any German landing site doesn't really belong in that category, it would have been a relatively targeted and limited use of WMDs, even by the standards of the day. I was thinking of 'Operation: Vegetarian'.

              The plan was actually very simple, Britain would start mass producing linseed cakes (literally just industrial grade cattle feed) and then infect them with Anthrax before dropping them all over every European agricultural area RAF bombers could reach. The plan was meant to be a final "FRICK U!" if Britain had been invaded and was about to capitulate, but fortunately the war never got bad enough for the plan to extend beyond some small scale tests on a single island on the Scottish coast (more on that later).

              If it had gone ahead nothing would have really happened for a few days as the Anthrax bacteria passed into the local wildlife and general environment. German doctors would then have noticed a significant, but not particularly worrying, upswing in rural cutaneous Anthrax cases (the disease is endemic across Europe and Asia, and infections were rare but far from unknown at the time), then as people started eating the infected meat there would have been a huge number of people across Europe developing gastrointestinal anthrax, progressing into continent wide - pandemic levels of - respiratory Anthrax by the time they'd figured out what was happening.

              With modern medicine respiratory Anthrax is still a horror show, with about 50% odds of survival with quick diagnosis and treatment. With 1940's vintage drugs that survival rate would be a lot closer to zero. Modern studies suggest that casualties would have been in the high tens of millions, crossing into the low hundreds of millions as the disease spread across the continent and refugees spread it out across Asia/Africa, with deaths continuing for decades after the attack.

              Continued below.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/2oS6S6b.jpeg

                Churchill's plan to use basically all of the chemical weapons on any German landing site doesn't really belong in that category, it would have been a relatively targeted and limited use of WMDs, even by the standards of the day. I was thinking of 'Operation: Vegetarian'.

                The plan was actually very simple, Britain would start mass producing linseed cakes (literally just industrial grade cattle feed) and then infect them with Anthrax before dropping them all over every European agricultural area RAF bombers could reach. The plan was meant to be a final "FRICK U!" if Britain had been invaded and was about to capitulate, but fortunately the war never got bad enough for the plan to extend beyond some small scale tests on a single island on the Scottish coast (more on that later).

                If it had gone ahead nothing would have really happened for a few days as the Anthrax bacteria passed into the local wildlife and general environment. German doctors would then have noticed a significant, but not particularly worrying, upswing in rural cutaneous Anthrax cases (the disease is endemic across Europe and Asia, and infections were rare but far from unknown at the time), then as people started eating the infected meat there would have been a huge number of people across Europe developing gastrointestinal anthrax, progressing into continent wide - pandemic levels of - respiratory Anthrax by the time they'd figured out what was happening.

                With modern medicine respiratory Anthrax is still a horror show, with about 50% odds of survival with quick diagnosis and treatment. With 1940's vintage drugs that survival rate would be a lot closer to zero. Modern studies suggest that casualties would have been in the high tens of millions, crossing into the low hundreds of millions as the disease spread across the continent and refugees spread it out across Asia/Africa, with deaths continuing for decades after the attack.

                Continued below.

                NGL, you have to admire the Anglo attitude towards the mainland. It would have been the most catastrophic act in human history and in some ways worse than a modern nuclear war since most bombs are H bombs now. An act of pure spite

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NGL, you have to admire the Anglo attitude towards the mainland
                Remember that by the 1940's the Euros had spent the last thousand or so years being the biggest threat to British security, prosperity, and freedom - frequently interfering in British affairs for no other reason than to cause trouble; even provoking multiple centuries of hatred, tension, and wars between the brother nations and peoples of the British Isles. WWII, the German carpet bombing of civilians, etc, etc, etc was just the latest in a long line of European crimes against the British people.

                Until we can find a Final Answer to the European Question we must remain vigilant.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >annihilate euroslovakia
                it would be so sweet.
                imagine not getting dragged into a nigh apocalyptic war every 2 generations because euros can never let the past be the past

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >imagine not getting dragged into a nigh apocalyptic war
                imagine calling the conscious meddling in continental affairs to keep a balance of power in europe "getting dragged in"

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/X9YNBBR.jpeg

                We have to go back.

                [...]
                It was designed around an earth-penetrating earthquake bomb (because that design for the bomb was just too huge and heavy for any conventional aircraft to carry), the bomb would have been dropped from a great enough height that it would penetrate deep into the bedrock before detonating, resulting in an underground artificial cavern rather than a crater. That cavern would have made the entire surface within a significant distance of the impact point geologically unstable from then until someone actually dug down to refill the cavern/repair the bedrock. Squadrons of these would have been able to make entire German cities all but permanently uninhabitable in a single raid.

                The only reason it wasn't built was that the RAF was doing 'well enough' with the more conventional aircraft and ordnance, and they didn't want to use limited production space/materials on something that might work a little better rather than something that was definitely working now.

                Air Marshall Harris wanted to unleash the whirlwind, but Barnes Wallis (who designed this bomb and bomber) wanted to make the Earth itself tremble in fear at the sight of British bombers.

                >Operation T.E.D (Total European Death) is actually real
                anon this was a great reading, thank you for enlightening us on how the british were ready to take everyone down with them

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're welcome; and nukes really did make M.A.D. so much more boring than it could have been.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

                what the frick.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bet you didn't think the English could be that based, did you?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

                I mean, that sounds almost as nasty as the non-nuclear non-invasion bombing strategy for japan
                Operation:STARVATION was already in full swing, and was the intensive mining by air of the japanese coast. This had it's intended goal of crippling or destroying most of the japanese fishing and merchant fleets, even coast hoppers. Japan only had enough food to feed 45% of it's population from local sources.
                To exacerbate this, the next step in the plan was to destroy the 45-46 rice crop. Studying the prevailing winds and weather patterns, the plan was to dump chemicals into the upper atmosphere that would then rain down on japan and kill the rice. Various chemicals were tested including prototype agent orange, but it was decided that mustard gas would be the most suitable because it was the best at killing the rice.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like I said, total and existential war gets very scary very quickly.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

                So Wikipedia agrees with almost everything in this post (though it downplays the intended direct effect on human life) but contradicts the reasoning for never going through with it. It wasn't ready until 1944 and it would have been counterproductive to do so while Overlord was on. It wasn't some last ditch curse from beyond the grave, it was intended to be deployed in the summer of 44 and only the strategic collapse of Germany stopped it from happening.

                This seems more logical, doing this as some last ditch "frick you" before capitulation doesn't make much sense because that would leave the entire British population victim to some nightmarish retaliation from vengeful occupiers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

                Hitler should have gassed Britain and the USSR in 1939 in a first strike.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany has enough gas to maybe delete a city
                >incurs immediate retaliation from both the Soviets and the British
                >WWII devolves into a second, gas soaked, trench war until the various combatants just cease to exist from sustained chemical attacks on civilians
                >Congratulations Hitlerboo, you played yourself.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They developed Sarin, you fricking moron.
                They could have deleted the entirety of Eurasia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really all of Eurasia, just the select cities they wanted, and even then, they had very primitive dispersal vehicles available. It will always be more efficient to use sarin on tactical targets, since it's not a particularly persistent agent like VX.
                >picrel: M134 airstream bomblets
                These don't use explosives to rupture; this would tar or burn much of the payload. Instead, they tear apart due to their weak construction, and as they roll they'll aerisolize (roughly) the agent in liquid form.

                1940s tech was essentially the shell-burst method, using a small bursting charge inside a thick-walled shell or rocket body. Not the bootleg WW1 method of filling cans with chlorine and hoping it sticks together, but still very poor.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

                If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

                >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

                Jesus, I thought I'd studied WW2 a great deal yet somehow never came across this until right now, thanks anon for the new set of breadcrumbs god damn was that war crazy.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Interesting that the country with the "we wuz the real israelites" mythologys had its own Samson Option.
                Absolutely psychotic, by the way.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The UK
                >"we wuz the real isrealites"
                I must have missed that one, or is this a meme I've not seen before?

                >Absolutely psychotic, by the way
                If someone else starts a war, and is about to beat you, then frick them, frick the horse they rode in on, and frick that horses mother. What's so hard to understand about that?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                France, the Low Countries, Czechia, and other occupied territories, did not start a war with the UK. In fact, they were British allies.
                British, or Anglo Israelism is not something that came out of nowhere. It is rooted in Anglo protestant fantacism, and before that, Crusader fanaticism (though the Crusader King wasn't really Anglo).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The British would have been so lucky if the Germans had won the war and occupied them. Now they have groidekas and pakis molesting and raping their daughters, sisters and wives in every corner of the country instead. How is that better? What did the Brits even fight for?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                thats complete bullshit. thats not how bacillus anthracis works. it doesnt spread form human to human.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        God bless the limey bastards

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >seems legit
    tbh most of the problems are confined to the long range bomber programs

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the year is 1933
    >after tempting Goering with a particularly good platter of mettwursts he agrees to your proposition
    >7% of the annual Luftwaffe budget will be redirected to routine large purchases of cocaine and schnapps to be delivered directly to the B&V offices, no questions asked
    What does this change to the timeline do to the outcome of the war?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "let them eat pie"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What exactly got 'changed' in this Scenario? Seems to me like this is the exact way the Luftwaffe allocated funds.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What’s wrong with blended body aircraft?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hit a bump on the runway while landing
    >get turned into Emil from Robocop
    WHAT A COUNTRY!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >used acidic fuel
      Seriously what the frick were they thinking with that?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >thinking
        Krauts do not think. Krauts are following orders.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Who do you think comes up with the orders?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You think acidic fuel was bad? Try acidic glue.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I wish I had the capital to start a company make new-made Salamanders with good modern materials, add some modern avionics, etc as little GA jets. Like that 262 Project. Apparently they were fairly pleasant to fly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This shit always makes me wonder how many of those designs they would have pursued if we would have gotten a nazi vs allies cold war instead of the soviet allied shitshow. I believe it would have been kino.

        >what the frick were they thinking with that
        How to get the plane to work. Pilot safety? Someone else's problem, certainly not part of the aircraft design contract.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I can only wonder what kind of horrors would have been unleashed in a nazi cold war, but the designs would have been much more interesting than the cheap nasty sovigroid hardware we got in this timeline.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            meh.
            if that had happened people would be saying the opposite and pining for weird soviet crap instead of weird gnatzi crap.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Honestly a Nazi Cold War would be pretty fricking insane. The Nazi state was in no shape to go long term. Somehow, it was even worse organized and even worse ran than the fricking Stalin era Soviet Union, and that’s a real accomplishment. It would have also had a body count to rival a Chinese dictator/warlord and put any debate about how bad the Nazis actually were to rest:

              Friendly fact, the Nazis killed just as many as Stalin did in quite a bit less time and were unlikely to slow down in case of victory. Stalin killed about 15 million in a quarter century. The Nazis killed 12 million in about 7 years. We’re looking at probably 40 million or so dead in the same time frame, if not more.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes yes and we all know even these imperial constructs are absolute uncapable of reforms or change. As after stalin a new stalin came and continued the slave empire etc. The main hardliner Hitler was already in sever parkinson by 1945 and at that stage it does not take long until death/dethroned etc. Besides that the imperial reich construct would face the reality of germans themselves being outgunned 1:4 at minimum with severe labor shortages to rebuild infrastructure and industry in a post ww2 environment. No amount of ideology wankery would have managed to dodge the reality on the ground staring at anybody in berlin looking at the hard numbers of reports from reich provinces.

                All I know is the only group that had the "fortune" of experiencing both, east euros, generally tend to see germans as the lesser of the two evils. I will take their experience every day over naive westerners endlessly wanking off themselves about decimating their modern day satan (hitler), while they themselves were openly allied to stalin and ended up sacrificing half of europe to the red plague because of a combo of inferiority complex, gommunism simps and thinking this is too far to be a problem. Which in turn almost lead to the nuclear of the bombardment of the northern hemisphere that was only narrowly dodged because the apathetic and stagnating politburo managing to block all the new stalins and putins from worming their way to the emperors/tzars throne. Thanks to sheer luck the vatnik union managed to rot away before one of these tyrants, like putin today, managed to actually begin the war to conquer west europe

                ww2 was half assed and for europe ended with a shittier solution. Simple as that

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >blah blah blah commies were worse
                The Nazi state was more of a force of personality than the Soviet Union was. There was little chance of a coup or internal change in direction at all. Chances are the regime would have turned to the same way to deal with manpower problems as it was during the war when it came to workers - forced labor. Of the roughly 12 million who died in the Holocaust, at least a million to two million were workers taken from occupied nations in Europe and forced to work under horrific conditions for 16 hour shifts in factories. Even the “good Nazis” like Speer were enthusiastic about the use of forced labor. The racial laws were a fundamental part of the state. So yeah, reform was highly fricking unlikely.

                The only reason theres Eastern Europeans who look at the Nazis as “preferable” is half a century of Soviet hegemony over them. Half a century of Nazi control would have been as bad, if not worse depending on the tendency of Nazis to put anyone they saw as inferior into work camps, so most of Eastern Europe. It wouldn’t have gone well for them no matter who won that fight and if the Nazis won there’d be a decent amount of people simping for the Soviets there as the “liberators we were denied” and that sort of shit. Soviet occupation was really really bad, but the amount of shit the Nazis pulled is on par.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >chances are
                >would have
                >if
                >spouting fake holocaust numbers
                >simping for commies

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nayrt but it’s a reasonable take. Commie block states had to live with the soviets, it’s only natural people like the hated enemy of sovietdom (nazis) as a sort of frick-you to the system. Same reason lefties in the 60’s US simped for the USSR, it’s just the opposite of the thing they didn’t like.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There was little chance of a coup or internal change in direction at all

                Except for the time Hitler almost DID die to a conspiracy led by his own officers

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That only happened because Germany was losing. Look more into the coup and you realize it wasn’t really a change in direction, the officers involved were just trying to get a peace deal with the western allies, without ceding any territory in the west.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just ignores all the coup attempts coming out of every part of Germany
                >just ignores the hate many people in power had towards Hitler, who aided the allies even during the war just to spite Hitler even though they had no problem with what he was doing in most cases

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >12 million who died in the Holocaust
                Stopped reading there.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No german or nazi ever called me a "Tsuhna"

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There’s this book out there called: “Drawings From The Gulag” which contains “factual drawings” (a visualizer basically) of life in the gulags from 1917 til the death of Stalin.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >if we would have gotten a nazi vs allies cold war instead of the soviet allied shitshow
          Keep in mind, the Allies wouldn't have had even half their inventions and tech since all the Nazis that designed our shit after WWII would have kept their jobs working for the Cold War Wehrmacht. Our space program would have been so crippled it would be Nazis who put a man on the Moon and would be currently exploring Mars and the rest of the universe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all the Nazis that designed our shit
            A common wheraboo myth. In reality, American versions of all this supposed tech already existed.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >used acidic fuel
      Seriously what the frick were they thinking with that?

      This shit always makes me wonder how many of those designs they would have pursued if we would have gotten a nazi vs allies cold war instead of the soviet allied shitshow. I believe it would have been kino.

      >what the frick were they thinking with that
      How to get the plane to work. Pilot safety? Someone else's problem, certainly not part of the aircraft design contract.

      lets see you build a jet with nothing but what you can dig up in middle european forests.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically love me 1946 kraut designs, they look very cool
    Simple as

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    wont this make all the engines stall too if the plane ever stalls so you cant recover?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes anon, there's a reason most of these designs never left paper.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Morphine and methamphetamine.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    vgh imagine if the war had gone on longer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >P-80 pilots padding their stats with untrained Hitler Youth pilots flying shitty emergency fighters
      VGH

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Germany would get stomped even more. Meteor and F-80 were actually usable jets, unlike that piece of shit Me-262.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seethe

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >seethe
          >says homosexual who lost the war
          Suck start a Luger.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Meteor and F80 werent even faster than propeller aircraft while the M262 was not only faster it was more capable and was built more ingeniously with far less resources.
        The 262 is simply better because German engineers were better.

        >seethe
        >says homosexual who lost the war
        Suck start a Luger.

        you type like a homosexual geriatric.
        crass and moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Berlin would've gotten a nuke

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/2EZcbbL.jpeg

      >P-80 pilots padding their stats with untrained Hitler Youth pilots flying shitty emergency fighters
      VGH

      Yeah.
      >Berlin nuked

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        and then Rufus killed most of the israelites who worked on it.
        atomic bombs are a golem story.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly I see nothing wrong with that.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      try building it in bombed out dresden

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    High Hitler

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  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Germans are considerably more moronic than they get credit for

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    close, pervitin. which is just methamphetamine hydrochloride.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    oooo meth

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Close.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      thanks for proving you're a shill

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah I work for Big Meth how did you know?

  33. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    talians are very autistic

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    Anonymous

    for me? it's ekranoplans.

  36. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

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      Anonymous

      oh no I'm out let me post other weird flying shit

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                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/lj7AH5a.jpeg

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                Anonymous

                the real arsenal bird

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How many kilometers would have been it's landing track?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Water landing.

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                Anonymous

                Those numbers are totally not in scale. They don't add up.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when you realize most planes in Crimson Skies were actual B&V ideas

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >crimson skies
                ancient mummy detected.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its on game pass you fricking zoom zoom

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You must be 18 or older to post here.

                Its on game pass you fricking zoom zoom

                >game pass
                Did they include both or just High Road to Revenge?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just the one, tbf i was a ps2 kid. I had the ace combat trilogy to get my plane rocks off, i only played crimson skies as an adult.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What in the frick?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >When your blueprint comes in two separate pages and Hans who suppose to align them for a final production documents have a a little to much schnaps a day before, but they were send to factory anyway

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Eh, even if Hans wasn't on too much booze and methamphetamine laced chocolate, the slave labor at the factory would sabotage the production anyway, so no loss really.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Rear gunner can't hit the tail if it isn't in the way.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Blohm und Voss: purveyors of fine crack pipes.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        These were so damn cool

  37. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  38. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  39. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >testing new and unexplored concepts le bad or something

  40. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what if we take the island of Japan, and move it somewhere else!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is the most moronic idea to ever come out of Japan. including the the moronic notion that it doesnt count as being a pedophile if the picture of a child you're jerking off to is drawn instead of real

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Chuddie got filtered.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        why do lefties constantly need to project how not a pedophile they are?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Japs are underrated for all the whacky shit they tried to build. My favorite is the submarine carrier,

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where's the Mriya comparison to it?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what was the point of this even? why would you ever need a plane that large

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because their wieners are that small.

  41. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ja meine fuhrer, i vir totally make you ze wunderwaffe, pls dont send me to frontline

  42. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germans also had a suicide squadron called Leonidas squadron and there was a plan to use this but the Mistel configuration was preferred.

  43. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's really funny that the Germans designing something just makes it look cool.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It makes sense. By that point in the war the difference between being conscripted and sent to die on the Eastern front, and being given a well paying government contract that would keep you as comfortable as possible back in Berlin, was whether or not your idea tickled Hitler's Wunderwaffle fantasies.

  44. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rommel was so blitzed on nazi meth during the blitzkrieg that he ran over an entire french infantry column without realizing it

  45. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, Germany was on a future advanced form of crack.
    Like anons stated before in this thread, imagine a cold war being conducted where this was flying over the Atlantic.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Bell X-5, made essentially by hiring the exact same team that made the Messerschmitt P.1011 and thrown together to test variable-geometry airfoils. Handled okay unless you pulled too much AoA, at which point it would irreparably frick itself in a flatspin and stall.
      >The designs actually got built by the USA
      >madlads

      Also, the F-86A's wing planform and fuselage config were heavily influenced by crackhead ideas from BV and friends. The Cutlass too was one of these dead end inspirations, along with an interesting plurality of the 1950's barrel of interceptors.

      >B-52 but unreliable and underdeveloped

      https://i.imgur.com/2oS6S6b.jpeg

      Churchill's plan to use basically all of the chemical weapons on any German landing site doesn't really belong in that category, it would have been a relatively targeted and limited use of WMDs, even by the standards of the day. I was thinking of 'Operation: Vegetarian'.

      The plan was actually very simple, Britain would start mass producing linseed cakes (literally just industrial grade cattle feed) and then infect them with Anthrax before dropping them all over every European agricultural area RAF bombers could reach. The plan was meant to be a final "FRICK U!" if Britain had been invaded and was about to capitulate, but fortunately the war never got bad enough for the plan to extend beyond some small scale tests on a single island on the Scottish coast (more on that later).

      If it had gone ahead nothing would have really happened for a few days as the Anthrax bacteria passed into the local wildlife and general environment. German doctors would then have noticed a significant, but not particularly worrying, upswing in rural cutaneous Anthrax cases (the disease is endemic across Europe and Asia, and infections were rare but far from unknown at the time), then as people started eating the infected meat there would have been a huge number of people across Europe developing gastrointestinal anthrax, progressing into continent wide - pandemic levels of - respiratory Anthrax by the time they'd figured out what was happening.

      With modern medicine respiratory Anthrax is still a horror show, with about 50% odds of survival with quick diagnosis and treatment. With 1940's vintage drugs that survival rate would be a lot closer to zero. Modern studies suggest that casualties would have been in the high tens of millions, crossing into the low hundreds of millions as the disease spread across the continent and refugees spread it out across Asia/Africa, with deaths continuing for decades after the attack.

      Continued below.

      The reason I used the phrase 'uninhabitable blacksite' above is that the island the plan was tested on (Gruinard Island if you want to read up on it yourself) had to be turned into completely locked off, no go, restricted access government land after the testing - because the Anthrax bacterium completely colonised the area and every blade of grass and piece of soil on the island was at least potentially infectious. The British government looked into the possibility of sterilising the island, but decided that the plan would be just too expensive to be worth it for a tiny island that nobody had really been using anyway, so the island remained lethally infectious for decades after the war - to the point where even going there in full bio-hazard gear with appropriate prophylactic medical treatments was still a serious risk. It remained an off limits site until the 80's when a group of British medical academics landed on the island to take samples of infected soil, and then threatened the government with biological attacks using the soil if they didn't actually take the time and expense needed to clean the island.

      If the plan had gone ahead the odds are that all of mainland Europe would either have been killed off or forced into exile, with significant parts of western Asia similarly affected (bacteria don't particularly care about national borders after all) and with the refugees spreading more limited outbreaks of the disease wherever they fled to. Given that the cost of cleaning up an approximately 3km square island was considered too expensive the odds of the affected territory (more than 10.2 million square km) being cleaned and sterilised enough for repopulation after the war are basically zero, and Europe would remain a toxic and abandoned blacksite probably for the rest of human history.

      >tl;dr - Total and Existential War gets very scary very quickly.

      There's also the 'just-in-case' stockpiles of sulfur mustard and arsines that would be handed off to the Chemical Corps and the Brit equivalent for tactical use. Frick, and then the German Series of nerve agents - France would be decimated. Thanks for cooler heads. I'd be either deformed or never born had any of this shit been done. Grandfather was in the artillery and definitely trained on firing CW shells.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There's also the 'just-in-case' stockpiles of sulfur mustard and arsines that would be handed off to the Chemical Corps and the Brit equivalent for tactical use.
        Just imagine what sort of bio-chemical black budget horrors are waiting to be unleashed for WWIII, or the effects of the kind of cyberweaponry that's in development at the moment when it gets let out into the wild.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. BARDA gay
          Nerve agents are very customizable these days, though the active ingredients are pretty well understood. We used sarin and American VX, along with Russian VX and some more eclectic analogues for countermeasure testing on rodents.
          >dilute VX introduced to skin (slowest pK profile) and timer starts
          >30 seconds and saliva is flowing
          >clonus begins, slow turns to writhing, turns to shaking, turns to hyperextension
          >if animal can vomit, it does violently around 1-2 mins
          >every orifice spewing godawful things by 5 mins max
          albeit, this was tuned for megadoses of agent.
          >atropine/lorazepam or atropine/midazolam given by vial takes too long to reliably administer on that timer (or pralidoxime, frick that)
          >so instead an autoinjector was made. Pretty cool shit, hope it never has to be taken from the stockpile we ordered

          BW is also an area we counter, but really not much development tbh. Lots of vaccines for the DoD, mostly anthrax, but also the Ebola/Marburg shit was wild. The composition was mental because filoviridae are both very infectious and at the same time hard to regulate response to. I miss 2014 man. We got amazing data on EHF recovery and treatment because West Africa is horrifically bad at public sanitation.

          >taking questions (within reason) about CBRN and such

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            any (relatively) recent developments you're able to talk about?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah, actually. It's 'recent' as in 'FoIA-shit' but the Tokyo Subway Sarin Attacks were a similar gold mine to the 2014 Ebola Epidemic:
              >Hospitals have dozens of nerve agent exposure cases each, all of which are on the SLUDGE clock.
              >atropine stocks (IV bags, mostly) are limited but the best option; you want to use these on respiratory arrest
              >intramuscular formulations are essentially unobtainable, so you get creative
              >scopolamine infusions in saline, diphenhydramine tablets to chew on, diazepam and midazolam in essentially lethal doses w/ ventilators
              >survival rates were actually quite decent with that standard of care, but the triage was awful
              >extensive contamination in some cases, so biosafety level 4 suits or level 3 gear needed in the immediate aftermath

              Turns out that scopolamine is trash for that case; works, but too broad. Atropine for eye dilation is also garbage because the formulation is not ready-made. The sublingual acetylcholine antagonists were surprisingly sufficient.

              Years later, finally got the mass-casualty sublingual shit in the strat stock. It's not perfect, and we found that it's actually awful for prophylaxis (side effect profile was recipe for disaster in the field) but great for squad-sized administration. You'd still need a muscle relaxant and/or antiepileptic, but the immediate issue is SLUDGE: salivation, lacrimation, urination, defecation, gastro. distress, emesis. Spit, cry, piss, shit, puke, die. If you want to stop the brain damage, you need anticholinergics of the right type.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if you get hit by this stuff and don't have a stock of hospital grade meds on hand, plus the knowledge to actually know what to do, you're just fricked then?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, if have 30-50mg diazepam equivalent in benzodiazepines or barbituates, alongside dramamine (meclizine, dimenhydramine ALONE, or another 1st-generation antihistamine) you can essentially make it 90% safe. It's going to suck, you'll end up with brain damage and muscle tears, and most likely die anyways, but it's better than nothing.

                It's overblown how little agent is needed, so most exposures will not end up fatal within an hour. That said, if the exposure is quick and transient, and the dose lethal, you'll be in a SLUDGE puddle by 30 mins. Slow exposures at the same dose can at least be triaged in time, but the lethality is the same without intensive medical care.

                tl;dr: yeah you're fricked if you don't have the dynamic duo of anticholinergic/sedative-hypnotic, but not as fricked as you'd imagine if you're anywhere near people.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              He's a larping gay
              Someone would work with either chemical or bio, not both
              t. actual BARDA

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was pondering the effectiveness of a hypothetical chemical weapon - you seem like you know what you are talking about.

            This may/may not already exist but: hyper-potent opioid drug solution mixed with DMSO. From here you could geletanize the mixture and set traps/area denial or keep it liquid form and disperse it via agricultural drones or some other form of liquid dispersal tech. what (if any) pros/cons can you think of versus existing (if this doesn't already) CBRN weapons?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >hyper-potent opioid drug solution mixed with DMSO
              The issue is twofold:
              1. Persistence and viability: while DMSO is a good base for an opioid - some nitazine will work fine - the time to peak plasma concentration is not enough to make it work. The better option would be fine powder, because that assures maximal concentration and bioavailability in the shortest time (respiratory).
              2. Lack of utility: these agents are easy to counter. That's a good thing for offensive use, but it also precludes long-term or area denial use; the back line will have mountains of naloxone and stimulants, and the triage will be immensely better than the front. Even there, naloxone and the relatively high lethal dose prevents the kind of battlefield use as nerve agents.

              It's much more suited to confined spaces, but you always run into the same issue with opioid agonists: the mechanism isn't actually deadly. It's the emergent effects - respiratory depression, hypoxia, then death - that make them kill.
              The advantage is definitely there. It would allow offensive use in an imbalance of prophylaxis very viable, but only locally and with caveats to that too. Why use the more complicated way to neuter a force's ability to fight, when making them seize until they die works just as well, if not better? Good question though.

              https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7137a5.htm
              >Notes from the Field: Nitazene-Related Deaths — Tennessee, 2019–2021

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thank you for the detailed response.

                This was something I thought of while half-seriously brainstorming ideas for some sort of narrative (probably a short story). I wanted to develop some world-building that is actually as novel as possible and it always seems like most conflict ideas are always some sort of rehash with a minor detail change.

                The basic premise I am thinking is some sort of authoritarian government (based on a current real-world government) that arose in the near future and my story would be set in the 2030-2040 area. The government uses this proposed chemical weapon as a form of crowd dispersal/area control/resistance prevention amongst other existing/new tech.

                The protagonist of my story would be a member of an organized domestic rebellion. He/she would be selected for an elite unit that purposefully maintains a high level of organic opioid tolerance via a deliberate addiction/regular use in order to be effectively immune to this common tactic in suppression of the rebellion.

                Actually seems like I can make something like that work based on your post, thanks again.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cool idea. it would make sense that the authoritarian government would suppress availability of naloxone so that their tactics were more effective/harder to defend against. This would also make deliberate taking a lot of opiates much more dangerous for the heros.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >taking questions (within reason) about CBRN and such
            How many atropine autoinjectors do I need to consult with Hatman?

            What's the fastest way to metabolize 1.5G of benadryl if I ever get caught lackin in a cloud of VX?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Quick-Fire Q&A

              >How many atropine autoinjectors do I need to consult with Hatman?
              About 2, at which point you'll be dry as a bone, mad as a hatter, and red as a beet. First psychological symptoms will have small hallucinations at the corners, then turn to full delirium.
              >What's the fastest way to metabolize 1.5G of benadryl if I ever get caught lackin in a cloud of VX?
              Chew it like an asprin. It tastes like shit, it will destroy your taste for days, but if you crush it under your tongue it will be fast.

              any tips on how to not die an excruciatingly painful death caused by this shit for a moronic normie such as myself? Or would this stuff only really be targeting military personnel?

              >any tips on how to not die an excruciatingly painful death
              If you're in a top-10 city in a total war, your risk is relatively high, but ultimately moot since it's a waste of agent and patently an atrocity of maximum intensity. In that case, the nukes are already flying. Otherwise, little risk. Still there, and if you're in the Kurd position it's high, but still low unless you're on the move regularly; persistent agents can dose in minutes, and last for months.

              In general we do the most work on preventing death from CW. Not treating massive amounts of patients - that can happen, but it's much easier - but the minority that are too busy seizing and puking to breathe. It's a lot easier when your patient can tell you he's feeling sick, and so he can take the meds, sleep, play XBox, whatever - until he's out of the ward. The atropine autoinjectors are to preempt the former situation, in the little time between exposure and crisis; the latter situation is far more common, and respectively non-immediate.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                To expand on this point:
                >[low level exposure] is far more common, and respectively non-immediate.
                Chronic exposure (as in Gulf War 1.0) or threshold levels will 9/10 times cause neurotoxicity. That is, your cholinergic-heavy neurons and glia will disproportionately get so stimulated they die, and mess up the Swiss watch of networks you have. Movement disorders, seizure disorders, those are common, while intellectual disability (attention, memory, mood) are generally less common.
                >Cool, so how do I prevent it?
                Wear a well-sealed gas mask with a filter designed anytime since 1980, but ideally since 2000. Military is best, but civilian works too; the molecules are medium size, and lipophillic, so any sorbent will catch 90% or more.
                Second, wear gloves. Holy shit, wear rubber gloves. That is the most critical part of persistent agent protection, even just sulfur mustard. Boot covers of plastic film work too, but hands are the most likely place to get contaminated.
                Try to stay in the same spot, unless you see obvious contamination and effects nearby. If you can, maintain a sealed environment: close windows, tape them shut, turn of AC, any HVAC, etc., until you know the threat is over.
                Never go outside on day 1, and ideally wait until day 7 or more. Never touch anything under shade during the day, and ideally interact with items that are hot, dry, and sun-baked. Standing water will kill you, as will lakes or rivers. Wells are totally fine, as will be city water. Boil any water or food you suspect is contaminated, and do so in a ventilated area. Take double your usual dose for motion sickness, in two doses daily. Increase if you feel restless, and portion out sedatives for if you can't sleep; treat the symptoms, and then you can wait.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            any tips on how to not die an excruciatingly painful death caused by this shit for a moronic normie such as myself? Or would this stuff only really be targeting military personnel?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Don't be the guy following the Jackal.

  46. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Peak

  47. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Burn the coal, pay the toll.

  48. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can't even enjoy and laugh at wacky nazi concepts on /k/ anymore without redditors going "ummm, actually!!"
    Yes you are very intelligent, I bet you watch a lot of video essays

  49. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Me-262 was mostly as Proof Of Concept for last word in aircraft design.

    about 500mph, at about 30,000ft, burning diesel fuel in two axle flow turbines under swept wings on a low wing with tike landing gear.

    It the pattern of all airliners and will be until someone invent Flying Saucers.

    1000yrs from now the Me-262 will be called "the first airplane" and every prior just quirky false starts.

    Like if some Sumerian first tried a 3-wheeled cart based on his 3 leg table, before going to EITHER 2 or 4 wheels.

  50. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhonine_Mak-10

  51. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  52. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No. They were on a spiritual journey to Agartha where the Nazis have taken refuge and thrived in an Aryan utopia.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I remember hijacking this in RTCW and Deathshead escaping in one from X-Labs

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    (slightly saddened no one posted the stuff from my mega)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Posting mega and posting things from said mega would be a little redundant, dontcha think?

      But thanks for posting the mega anyway

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  56. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now I go to bed.

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