German S-H state police buys HK437

https://soldat-und-technik.de/2022/10/bewaffnung/33165/hk437-polizei-schleswig-holstein-beschafft-neue-mitteldistanzwaffen/
German Schleswig-Holstein state police just ordered HK437 (HK433 in .300BLK) to replace their MP5 submachine guns.
I'm very interested to see whether this will advance popularity of the HK433, which is IMO very much superior, in various respects, to the HK416.

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like they abandoned HKey for MLOK too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is starting to look amazing.
      Fuck HK for not producing this sooner and offering the HK416 to everyone instead.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I need this. Don't care about the price. Just import it as a pistol without the stock.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >only $3999 stupid american.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I think it's pretty cool, especially if you consider how often pistols are what they'd be facing, a ballistic face shield would literally save your life.

    This makes it so you can get the rifle in the pocket of your shoulder/gear and look down the sights without having to cock your head or the rifle at weird angles. I assume you can kinda get a 'cheek weld' on that raised bit even with a mask on.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point of these "half-monolithic" uppers like this and the MCX have? A compromise between "full" monolithic uppers and replaceable handguards? Why? What would be the benefit over something instead just like ARMS, PRI, or VLTOR's rails and such?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you can switch barrel and/or handguard and don't have to rezero the optic, it's fast an easy too

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Moreso than with LMT's two bolts and VLTOR/ARMS' detachable bottom rails?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >What's the point of these "half-monolithic" uppers
      well, LMT owns the patent on monolithic AR-15 uppers and no one wants to pay the licensing fee. For non-AR-15s, you don't need to have multiple uppers to accommodate different rails and barrel lengths for manufacture and end users can swap them out easily

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >LMT
        Okay, point taken, that's probably true
        >Swaps
        What do you mean? Aren't there tons of "quick-change" barrel options for AR's other than LMT's? I don't think you need to change the whole upper usually...?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          if you had a monolithic upper that was 11+ inches, you couldn't do a 5" 300 blackout swap

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ahhh, okay, we're talking about the monolithics. Makes complete sense.
            SURG was a mistake too, at least, insofar as the "suppressor under handguard" stuff was concerned. Cans shouldn't go under where you put your hands IMO

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Colt Canada for some reason pays the licensing fee.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn’t it also defeat one of the advantages of the AR, that being that the optic is fixed essentially to the barrel and not the Handguard?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Those rails attach to the upper, so practically the same, same with monolithics (just being an extension of the upper, kinda), if I'm understanding your post right.
        It's just that they're more rigid and rigid the entire length, so you can mount PEQ's and shit without really worrying (as much) about shift and whatnot.
        I've seen people use the old ARMS rails to mount EoTechs super far forward for some unkown-to-me reason, for example, if that's your cup of tea, since it's practically the "same" as if you would've mounted it to the receiver, just that you have 7" more rail to do so with.
        >Gotta accessoooorizzze!!!!

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I hope this isnt the beginning of the end for MP5

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Itd a completely obsolete platform, of course its the end
      Still lots of governments and people buying so it's not like they'll stop making them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The MP5 died 20 years ago, and its already been revived like the phoenix

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kind of did when SBR’s started to take over.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Neat. I’m a sucker for weird stocks and that one looks doooope

    Wtf is it though? 5.56? 300BLK?
    Piston?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It says it right in the picture anon. .300 blk/7.62x35

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I HATE THE YUROPOOR STOCK
    I HATE THE YUROPOOR STOCK
    I HATE THE YUROPOOR STOCK

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You mean you can't afford HK.
      But please enlighten me on how US Police tactical units have been performing lately???

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not him, but what do you mean?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          uvalde

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Would that stock have made a difference?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't you talk shit about Texas police then? You realize Federal police actually did something when they actually showed up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Americans are richer than Germans what are you talking about?

        Captcha ASS K0K

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a yuro-stock you retard.
      It's a special police stock for use with a ballistic face shield (the cheek rest is removable).

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the HK433, which is IMO very much superior, in various respects, to the HK416
    What are the differences and what makes it superior? Looks like there is no buffer tube, i.e. you can use foldable stocks with the HK433 design.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not him, but I'd say it comes with the typical AR18 benefits like
      >foldable stock + normal function
      >front cocking handle means you never have to take the rifle out of your shoulder in case of malfunction or initial reload
      >ambi controls for everything
      >bolt release is near trigger for faster and easier reloads
      Plus it gets rid of some of the complaints people had with the G36
      >less plastic, aluminum body
      >better upper and lower
      >AR15-grip and mags
      And my personal hope for the 433
      >1/9 twist instead of the shitty 1/7

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And it looks fucking awesome.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >And my personal hope for the 433
        >1/9 twist instead of the shitty 1/7
        YOU WILL HAVE THE FAST SCREW TO STABILIZE 77 GRAIN AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

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      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >foldable stock + normal function
        Non critical feature
        >front cocking handle means you never have to take the rifle out of your shoulder in case of malfunction or initial reload
        416 doesn’t need to be taken out of the should to do this either
        >ambi controls for everything
        Common features on ARs and 416s
        >bolt release is near trigger for faster and easier reloads
        Bolt release is well placed on the 416.
        >1/9 twist instead of the shitty 1/7
        1/7 is needed to stabilize tracers, 1/7 is fine for regular ammunition.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Aye. Controls are generally fine on the AR, but front cocking handle is just better.
          Biggest advantage of the 433 though is that it was made to be a piston gun, not a DI AR15 with a piston shoved in. No carrier tilt, probably a few other things that work better. It's also apparently cheaper to produce (designed with modern manufacturing techniques in mind).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's also apparently cheaper to produce (designed with modern manufacturing techniques in mind).
            Lol it's an extruded gun that hk made fuck heavy and difficult go make by welding reinforcements all over defeating the entire point if just cncing a slab of aluminum.

            No idea why this exists tbh.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IIRC Mexican Marines looked at adopting the 433 but dropped the bid because they're looking at moving away from 5.56. I always thought it was weird that people presumed thr 433 was kill because it didn't get immediate sales at launch. I suspect it'll take off due to oddball chambering variants. It's very much looking like Blackout will become the new western standard for LEO duties and for carbine/SMG replacements. I suspect we're going to see 6.8 become the new standard for other combat roles in the west.

    Australia, Canada and Mexico are all now looking at 6.8.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      .277 is going to be a mistake, mark my words.
      Also, what makes you think .300BLK is gonna be the police choice over just keeping 5.56?

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    > 300BLK
    Is it deadly?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I was drooling over the 433 for months. This drastically increases the chances of HK releasing a civilian version. Amazing

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    its like 80% of the way to a turkish shotgun aesthetically

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This, it was probably designed by TVRKISH engineers

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's up with that stock?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s for riot police helmets

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >that grip
    if it's anything like my P30 this is bomb

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