I thought that they were supposed to be somewhat good at engineering… but apparently Poles created a much better and more reliable mobile artillery unit than them?
I thought that they were supposed to be somewhat good at engineering… but apparently Poles created a much better and more reliable mobile artillery unit than them?
Thank you for Kasia :3
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>teen kasia
oh it's this poles vs germans vatnik troll thread again
totally organic thread. Very cool! Can't wait for the constructive and rational discussion
At this point in time, you need a filter for Krab and any South Korean weapons system to enjoy this board.
> I thought
>Poles created a much better and more reliable mobile artillery
Are you a pole?
He's a vatnik
I’m French, just having a giggle at Poland owning according to Ukrainian soldiers GeRmAn EngInEeRiNg
It was reported Krab’s barrels can sustain 6000 shots before having to be replaced… that’s pretty impressive
>I’m French
timestamp on passport
Do you happen to be a German engineer by any chance?
I don’t think so
>Do you happen to be a German engineer by any chance?
Den Ausweis bitte 😉
i'm moist
i lowkey want a german girlfriend to scream some german words to me during sex
t. pole
You do realize that when war between Germany and Poland breaks out because of the hate and division you try to spread with your posts you're going to die too right?
Aren't the barrels German? Everybody claimed they were German made in the threads about the destroyed barrel
No, that was just like one dude claiming it in every fricking thread, the barrels are made in Poland, only earlier versions had german barrels. Stop falling for bait and people trying to spread disinformation or start infighting.
So what your saying is the Korean chassis is fine, the British turret is fine, the German engine is fine BUT the only Polish part blows out the second you use it.
reminder its only Korean chassis because the original Polish chassis were absolute horrendously dogshit
Is the PZH2000 based on french and british parts?
>Aren't the barrels German?
Nah, they stopped using German narrels years ago about switched to a cheaper licensed version of their own production. Any original barrels they might've still had were replaced months ago.
It was just a cope, just like this thread.
licence build in poland
On replace le cannon sur une artillerie car ils n'est plus du tout précis ducon pas par risque d'explosion du cannon
>I'm French
Ahh, that explains it, you're upset about the CAESAR getting sidelined, but don't want to broach the subject directly. I'd be mad as well.
Bonjour! Jean-Pierre of Marseille economic zone here. NATrannies must immediately seize shipment of pzh howitzer to illegal war of oinkrainian aggression!! Western sanction have no effect on RUSSIA and is only hurting europe. No petroleum gasoline for Citroën motor vehicle, no red wine for infant baby, please to stop clown biden war crimes!! Now!
AHS Krab is a British AS90 turret mounted on a Koreak K9 chassis, calling it Polish is a stretch. Also it has a slower rate of fire than PzH 2000, it's technically inferior.
>I’m French
CAESAR is not even comparable, no autoloader, no armor, slower rate of fire
there's a reason why the Ukrainians ordered 100 more PzH 2000 after using them, plus 18 RCH 155, which is even better
>slower rate of fire
In what way? The 6 sec burst shown in the demonstration was the conducted using the weakest propellant.
>there's a reason why the Ukrainians ordered 100 more PzH 2000
The reason to buy more PzH is that Germany gives money to buy weapons from German manufacturers. France did similar few weeks ago with 100 million euro for weapons from french manufacturers.
>Korean chassis
>British turret
What part is Polish?
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Another advantage of the Krab is that it can transition into a self-propelled mortar lol
after 6k shots. thats not bad
This shit again?
It's like 7th thread this month alone.
its literally just katsap trolling
>delusional pavel cope no.112454364336356
The only thing that doesn't break from crap(s) are the engines, which are german.
Just like the old days it's over-engineered and difficult to repair.
Call him a Black person, homosexual, moron, troony, it all runs runs off him like water off a raincoat.
But call him a Vatnik and you will be astonisched at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: "I've been found out."
What is with this weird fricking autism of spamming these threads lately
>What is with this weird fricking autism of spamming these threads lately
Vatniks pretending to be poles trying to role up germans and the other way round has been a staple on /k/ for a long time.
They've been holding onto it for dear life because it's their last D&C routine that some newbies might fall for
This + korean stuff.
Korean stuff is just armatard
I wonder if isn't just russians pretending to be poles vs russians pretending to be germans at this point.
>I wonder if isn't just russians pretending to be poles vs russians pretending to be germans at this point.
Obviously the OP and the first few seething replies are them, then they simply stoke the fire whenever people lose interest
Not like it's a hard thing, they don't even need to switch VPN's here
This guy could be an actual Polish Russian. Lots of Poles were sent to Siberia over the centuries and it's possible his ancestors couldn't take part in various repatriation programs for whatever reason.
It's sad because people sent to Siberia were often true patriots working towards the liberation of Poland. One of his ancestors could have participated in the November Uprising for example and now he's just gulping down every shit that Russia puts into his mouth.
no pole would every say
>kukołd
it's
>kukold
this ł is against any logic
>This guy could be an actual Polish Russian
Could be, but he deleted the post seconds after people noticed his flag which kinda implies it was a frick up
What he wrote sounds moronic in Polish. Like a literally brain damaged individual.
It's possible that he just doesn't know polish very well I guess, but it kinda smells like google translate.
If their cars are anything to go by, German engineering has been shit since the 2000s
>Knows nothing about cars
>Posts weeb image
Get a clue.
I'm a mechanic, I know exactly how unreliable and expensive to keep running these kraut peices of shit are.
Not that moron but you've clearly never worked on german cars.
They're fricking moronic to work on, so much wiring even in the trans on newer models, oops have an electric issue? Gotta drop everything out the bottom end and get or rebuild the full trans :^)
Seriously frick BMW and VW past 2004.
thoughts on bmw e60?
Depends on year/model, but even then they go through accessories, bushings, like no tomorrow.
Gasket and pan leaks are common, valve cover gaskets need to be changed like a boxer but it's even more annoying to do so.
Personally even if it was used and well maintained I'd stay away unless you're going for a engine swap and treating it like a good frame.
im thinking about facelift 530i so 2008 or so
>Personally even if it was used and well maintained I'd stay away unless you're going for a engine swap and treating it like a good frame.
so what would you recommend in similar fashion? lexus is250?
Lexus is surprisingly middle of the road when it comes to maint, but I've never had or worked on what so cannot really say.
530i's are sketchy used unless you have paperwork for what's done to it, primary reason are the turbos. They're shitty and can go bad around 80k and can need to be refurbed. However they're stupid expensive OEM so most people don't refurb/replace OEM or ignore the problem entirely and you get metal in the block.
Sorry working from home so my spelling is moron level.
If you do go for a used 530i try taking a look at all records and what was recently done, especially sensors as well or look for anything harness/wiring related. There's been some random electrical problems in the e60 models but not sure about the 2008 one.
>530i's are sketchy used unless you have paperwork for what's done to it, primary reason are the turbos. They're shitty and can go bad around 80k and can need to be refurbed. However they're stupid expensive OEM so most people don't refurb/replace OEM or ignore the problem entirely and you get metal in the block.
afaik 530i e60 don't have turbos (M54 or N62 engines)
anyhow i'll get a good look around
The N54 had a turbo, same with the diesels but you're right n62/m54 did not my bad.
Either way definitely look for anything electrical related and maint records. A WELL and I mean super duper well maint engine from that era should be fine without a rebuild in a near foreseeable future depending on the mileage. Generally you'll spot them for sale around 110k-140k miles since that's when it gets close to that point with standard maint.
But if you really baby it and change fluids damn near religiously around 3-5k miles it'll last a while, if the previous owner took extreme care of it it'll be okay. But personally I'll never buy one unless I'm throwing an LS in it.
It's your money and your happiness, do what's best for you my dude.
And learn how to wrench on it, cause you'll have to unless you want to spend 800 bucks for a sensor replacement.
Fuuuuuuuuck german cars. They have overengineered bullshit solutions that are made to last exactly 200k km and not one fricking more. For some moronic reason they are putting plastic in the engine bay, and due to heat cycles and just plastic being blastic everything becomes brittle and breaks
Oh ya lets add zis feature making our cars 0.1% more efficient and MAKING THE WHOLE THING CATASTROPICALLY SELF DESTRUCT
OH YEAH HANS, LETS PUT THE TIMING CHAIN BEHIND THE ENGINE, IT LOOKS SO UGLY
Want to replace it? Pull the entire engine out
Oh, whats that? Your Mercedes starter died? HAHAHA it's in BETWEEN THE FRICKING CILIDERS, HAVE FUN DISASSEMBLING THE MOTHERFRICKING ENGINE
Tell us something about polish cars
nah, ours didn't sell well, so instead we started producing components for things that people call German™ cars :^)
Guess that’s why they’re garbage now
>It's another Poland-Germany gay drama with sane talking points and same pictures 54th time this month
Keep at it boys
pic makes no sense, if anything it's the other way around
'nuff said
whats better, PANZERHAUBITZE 2000 or literal krab?
Lmaoing at seething morons itt.
Btw Poland is most hated by vatnigs. If anything they LIKE Germany. Which just shows how delusional they are.
If youre into cars youd know germans cant engineer for shit.
The clk gtr was heavier slower and shotter than the car it was designed ro beat: mclaren f1. And thats despite using exotic and lightweight materials.
Even today they make porsches out of aluminium and theyre heavy as frick, which is the worst thing a spottscar can bw. Ontop of that their suspension is trash and the chassis is too weak to not crack under cornering loads.
German cars are only fast because of tons of power and electronics. Hardware is poorly designed overmarketed garbage. But morons think its good cause nazis or something.
Same for their tanks
Does it really matter which system is better? Both guns are great at exterminating orcs and are much better than any Russian counterpart.
It's a gimli Vs legolass rivalry, don't worry
Why does the PzH2000 live rent free in your head?
Dality reminder that those threads are made by vatBlack folk to further promote their DC propaganda in Evropa.
Both SPG's are great for their own reasons.
t. Pole
1) OP is troll obviously...
2) ...I say it as a Polish person.
3) Turret and cannon of Krab is British design, that was slightly re-designed by Polish engineers because original specs were incorrect (which is kind of tradition in history of polish arms).
4) Krab vs PzH 2000 is basically Mauser rifle vs first gen semi-automatic rifle 100 years ago. PzH 2000 shoots faster, but each malfunction slashes waves at Ukrainian front for obvious reasons.
5) They are both huge improvement to what Ukrainians were/Russians are using and great in destroying pic related.
This
Krab is like the backbone of newer ukrainian mobile artillery, while the PzH2000 is rather for higher profile targets. If anything they are nicely completing each other.
>Krab vs PzH 2000 is basically Mauser rifle vs first gen semi-automatic rifle 100 years ago.
They offer the same level of automation, so not quite so. Even DANA offers better level of automation than PZH, and that's a fact.
Again, this is pure gas lighting. There's virtually no superiority over one another between two, at least on a strategical level, as they used the same exact ammunition.
I really can't think of anything the Germans make well besides boutique guns and currywurst. Everything else is overpriced delicate crap
This Poland vs Germany and Krab vs Pzh2000 threads are the most forced, astroturfed vatnik /misc/bait I've seen so far during the war.
I wonder why there are so few baits in small arms threads? I remember when one operator from Foreign Legion in Ukraine said once that he switched from 416 to Polish Grot because it's more durable - here! perfect bait thread!
idk maybe they don't know about small arms
yet i wouldn't say that grot is more durable than 416, quite the contrary given the issues in the first versions
from the mechanical standpoint both work in similar fashion so idk what's the issue, maybe the Grot's bolt size
Nah dude. I'm not taking that bait. Second version of Grot is obviously better than 416 and thousands of Grots (first batch was 10k, but Poland is still sending these) are currently in Ukraine taking best test possible. If each version of Beryl was indication, third version of Grot will totaly wipe it's ass with whatever next G36 version HK is doing.
It's so obvious, it's not even funny. So no, thank you.
>Second version of Grot is obviously better than 416
grot is nice but i wouldn't say it's more durable than 416 lol, both are short stroke piston. Grot is much more ergonomic though, love the bolt release in the trigger guard. Will eye A3 when they release it (hopefully bullpup conversion too)
Germany went from being disarmed to starting WW2 in just a few years. Never underestimate them..
Polish thread about
[X] Germany
[ ] Russia
[X] Poland
German engineering is a myth. They just simply braindrained talents from all Europe. I’m glad to see this country being flushed down the toiled during this economic downturn.
I love reading subhuman cope
>oh no, no one bumped my thread for over two hours and it is now dying
>this should help