Gerasimov Doctrine

>The very 'rules of war' have changed. The role of nonmilitary means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.
These retards really thought they were going to storm Ukraine with conscripts backed up by bot farms. lmao

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This guy looks like he's in a state of a perpetual suffering.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called being born Russian.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's called being born Russian.

      It's why they make such good writers

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Too bad every single one of them larps as Tolstoy whenever they get an opportunity to write anything

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          room temperature iq take

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It’s either that or they make shit like the last ring barer

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Brevity is the soul of wit.
        >Russian novel

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Currently reading, nice book.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they don't though? being wordy + suffering =/= good writing or worthwhile statements on the world

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          retard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            See? That's called 'brevity'. Russian writers could learn a thing from you

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your mental capacity, rather your LACK of mental capacity is like that of the African Black circa. 1880. It is truly an affront to the lord that those such as yourself are allowed to opine on the same website as I. I truly ponder on how one can achieve such ignorance in a day and age when all of the worlds knowledge is located at ones fingertips.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They write like bad judges, just awful wordy nonsense.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Grond

        But every single good "russian" writer has been Ukrainian or Georgian.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's certainly why I enjoy the music. There's a certain type of melancholy you can find in stuff like Kino that I can only assume comes from the pain of being Russian.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russian culture and literature is shit and those renowned writers weren’t even Russian. Mostly garden gnomes and Ukrainians writing in Russian.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      looks like literally me

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cheer up, comrade general! Remember: it gets worse before it gets worse.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Have you ever worked for an incompetent boss that sets you up for failure and then blames you for failing?

      That's the relationship between Gerasimov and Shoigu

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, that's the relationship Gerasimov and Shoigu have with Putin (including the repeated attempts by Putin to kill them).
        We don't know how they treat each other. Maybe they're bros, considering they're only half as insane as everyone around them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shoigu is completely incompetent. Putin is just crazy retard who bought into Dugin's nonsense. Shoigu is a crony that larps as having served (never touched a uniform until he became head of MoD). Gerasimov, by Ukrainian commanders words, is at least competent but nobody has ever pretended as such with Shoigu.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Putin didn't buy into Dugins nonsense, Dugin bought into putons nonsense
            Dugin hasn't had a single original thought in his life, the man just parrots the writings of putins favourite political thinkers for the camera
            He's literally Putins pet bigot

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dugin is a made up boogie man. He is a nobody in Russia.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia's President according to Soviet law is Alexander Rutskoi, an Air Force general.

          It would not be too hard for Gerasimov and Shoigu to install him as leader and still claim legitimacy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's because he is

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're shitting your drawers through with your concern for him. It's just some Russian, they're all totally schizo and incompetent right? So rest easy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      "Schizo" implies some kind of broken intellect. Russians are just harmful animals that need exterminating.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He and Shoigu planned the initial Feburary clusterfuck, so there really isn't much to fear. Maybe another pointless suicide run through Pripyat from Belarus?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being schizophrenic makes you dangerous than harmless.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because It worked in Crimea, and with the recent US humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan most likely made him think that it'd also work this time with the entire country

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because It worked in Crimea, and with the recent US humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan most likely made him think that it'd also work this time with the entire country
      Where did he go wrong? Was their intelligence on the sentiment of the average ukrainian simply too wrong?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Where did he go wrong? Was their intelligence on the sentiment of the average ukrainian simply too wrong?
        Russia lost the war the second the pilots of the huge Antonovs that were supposed to reinforce the vee dee veeh got cold feet and pussied out, they were doing really well until that point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they were doing really well
          LMAO But imagine the kino when those fat birds got raped out of the sky.
          Truly a great loss.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Probably the same with the wannabe odessa landing but-it-was-actually-a-feint-and-an-act-of-goodwill

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t think that this was the pilots call to make, anon.

          >they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.

          Have they really? I know we have fun on PrepHole but I don't think Biden reads twitter before sending billions in hardware to Ukraine.

          Didn’t you know that Twitter trends rather than long term planning decides diplomatic strategy? Get with the times, gramps!
          Seriously though, most people actually seem to believe exactly that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think the Russians have this weird impression that democracy means that the people decide everything. That's part of the reason why they hold their ridiculous referendums, because they think that Westerners should respect that (and by extension that they too should respect that in order to not appear stupid internationally). But in reality democracy means that the people elect officials who then act on their own accord.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair the majority of westerners don’t understand how democracy works while living in it. How do you expect people from authoritarian societies to understand it?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Technically what you described is a republic. Which includes democratic features.

              To be fair the majority of westerners don’t understand how democracy works while living in it. How do you expect people from authoritarian societies to understand it?

              Lol this.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is more than one type of democracy. Shocking, I know.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >But in reality democracy means that the people elect officials who then act on their own accord

              That isn't democracy though.
              More like an oligarchy.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah thats democracy
                Any form of government where the executive branches of government are elected by and most importantly can be removed by the common people in a vote is a democracy.
                They can have very different levels of enfranchisement (like the ancient greeks, who only allowed land owning male citizens to vote) and be more or less direct (like the americans with their electoral college) but they are all still just different kinds of democracy

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >We will never get dollar store D-Day
          Feels bad

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Would there have been an amphibious operation that went worse, had it occured? Gallipoli at least got the beachhead, it was getting further inland that was the problem.
            Maybe Dieppe would be your next closest, and even that got guys on the beach. I'm not sure the Russkies would've ever gotten a Zubr to the beach.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A lot changes in eight years. They came in grossly underprepared against a much more prepared enemy.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        After the loss of Crimea, in Ukraine they started purging all the pro-Russian voices from politics, media, education... So the pro-russian people all left to pro-russian areas in Donbass or to Russia proper. Thus all the population left in Ukraine became more and more anti-russian overtime since all the pro-russians already left in those 8 years. This is why as Strelkov and many other have said they should have gone for the entire country in 2014 when they still had the upper hand and the Ukranian military was still in shambles.
        This is also a lesson for China to not chase after small victories, if they want to go after Taiwan don't go half ass and go full force against the main island instead of doing a gradual invasion of the surrounding islands piece at the time. Since there are voices who are promoting "salami slicing" Taiwans surrounding islands to pressure Taiwan, but It'd have the opposite effect like It happened in Ukraine with the loss of Crimea.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The irony is that the invasion alienated a lot of formerly pro-Russian Ukrainians.

          https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/08/25/russian-speakers-in-ukraine-are-struggling-to-learn-a-new-tongue

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >they started purging all the pro-Russian voices from politics, media, education
          Not really. The prevailing view was that people looked at what Russia had done to their country, shot unarmed protestors, stolen land, started a war that killed people and humiliated them and decided maybe Russia wasn't quite so based after all. The rest were "purged" by public opinion no longer wanting to listen to what they had to say. As usual a Russian is incapable of understanding the idea that people are not simply slave told what to do by their betters, but have opinions and beliefs of their own that are not imposed on them top down.
          >So the pro-russian people all left to pro-russian areas in Donbass
          Lel, those areas experienced a net immigration of people out of them and to Ukraine. Because they're shitholes run by mafias.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I honestly think they got high off their own supply and fell for the "Ukrainian isn't a real nationality" meme they supported.
        It's like the British Empire in 1776 thinking Americans are just a bunch of deranged Britons who couldn't possibly become patriotic for a meme-identity that was created last weekend. Surely they'll give up and see the error of their ways if we drop enough bombs on them, right?
        Plus, for 8 years since 2014 the Ukrainians have been getting trained and supplied by NATO.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does he look like a potato?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just because something works sometimes does not mean it will work all the time. The invasion plan was not that bad, given the intelligence the Russians likely had prior to the 24th. The quality of intelligence and the lack of contingency was what fucked them.
    The plan apparently built on the assumption that they would for the most part not need to storm things. They also didn’t send that many conscripts.
    They obviously miscalculated the speed at which Ukraine was able to react and that most details of the invasion plan were either known to glowies or had been wargamed with a high degree of precision.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gerasimov has been proven right though. Russia clearly should’ve relied on non military means to achieve its goals. Putin on the other hand thought he could just roll in with tanks and win.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That’s what most have been been saying that since day 1. Putin would have literally gotten more than what he wanted if he just let things roll for the next couple decades. At least more than Russia stands to gain now.
      It’s ogre.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Putin would have literally gotten more than what he wanted if he just let things roll for the next couple decades
        But that would mean that he would die without seeing his precious ussr reborn.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russian rebelling against his fate to die

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The frozen Donbas benefited the Russians, at least in regards to Ukraine, which is why I was certain that they would not attack. It still seems irrational and I can only guess what made them decide to go for full blown invasion. They likely perceived the turmoil in their periphery as a concerted effort to erode Russias position as the regional hegemon. If we don’t look at Ukraine as an isolated event but rather put it into wider context, the motivation might be different and they wanted to make an example of the country. Whatever the case, they got baited big time.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe they saw what Azerbaijan did to Armenia and they thought their client states in eastern Ukraine could have been next given the radicalization process going on in that country.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They could have just pulled the Georgie playbook, station some soldiers there and Ukraine could have never moved in with NATO support. And, with parts of the country being subject to a territorial dispute, Ukraine could have never joined NATO. Keeping Donbas frozen was the best option if we just look at Ukraine in an isolated manner. For me, the decision to invade can only be explained through wider political context and turmoil in the russian periphery, like Belarus or Kasachstan. And even then it is illogical, because making an example of Ukraine would likely have driven people in relative proximity to Russia into the arms of any capable protector, especially the west.
            Trying to decipher Russias rationale seems very complicated and even though I usually am a firm believer in political realism, it might just be straight up stupidity.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            reminder that azerbaijani army trained by turkey and they used turkish/nato doctrine. turkey is also guarantor state of azerbaijan so russians cant bully them. russia will never be able to stop turkish influence in caucasus.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What changed was Belarus.

          They spent many years, like Ukraine really, playing Russia off against Europe. For a while Lukashenko was leaning far more towards Europe but then there was an attempted revolution and we fucked up, we backed the revolution and Lukashenko held on with Russian help. The problem is that this delivered Lukashenko to Putin, the formerly annoying schemer was now his bitch. By all accounts the meeting between them was more Tony Soprano in the back room of the Strip Club than high diplomacy... this is what you are going to do for me you fucking chump.

          So this gives Putin an indeed historic opportunity (which he shouldn't have taken in retrospect) and he couldn't help himself basically.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Putin is usually described as an opportunist by scholars so you have a valid point. Russian intelligence might also have misjudged the amount of animosity in western societies which they worked on so hard in their subversion campaigns.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. If russia had just waited nato would likely have imploded on own.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly, when they moved troops into the donbass in the days leading up to the war, and officially recognised them and essentially made them protectorates, I thought Putin had made a master stroke if he had stopped there. It would have made the west look foolish for scaremongering a war, furthering internal division and it would have cucked Ukraine out of any attempt to retake the donbass. They could have made an ultimatum to take the whole territory and turning up the bot farms to help convince the west that they don't want to get stuck in another Afghanistan.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. Given that western politicians told the story of Russia invading the year before already, it would have been best to just fortify Donbas and that would have been it. Repeat if necessary and make western leaders look like fools. Get NS2 going to keep driving a wedge between the western countries. Use some profits from the gas trade to massively subsidize Donbas and Crimea and shill that to the Ukrainians. There were so many good options.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >they have exceeded the power of force of weapons in their effectiveness.

    Have they really? I know we have fun on PrepHole but I don't think Biden reads twitter before sending billions in hardware to Ukraine.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don’t have a clue what he’s talking about right, just say that

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure it's you having trouble here.
        Gerasimov is coping with the failure of the russian armed forces by declaring war obsolete.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.armyupress.army.mil/Journals/Military-Review/English-Edition-Archives/January-February-2016/
    See no 23 in above for this guys doctrine.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gerasimov is one of the few sane men in Russia right now. If given free rein, he could turn this war around, especially considering how the west still allows Russian spies to walk in and out freely carrying literal briefcases full of cash or gold and deporting Russian dissidents and deserters back to the Motherland.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >If given free rein, he could turn this war around
      Do you mean telling all their soldats to start marching East and not stopping until they reach Vladivostok? 'Coz that's the only way this war will end well for Russia.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Best quote ever by a Russian:
    "Once you have taken everything from a man, you have lost control over him"
    -Solzhenitsyn

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That quote aged poorly for Russians

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this is the guy who told the british military a few years ago that russia had achieved military parity with the united states.

    like, he believes in his heart of hearts, that the russian military is equal to that of america's.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so do you think that after Russia loses the donbas and crimea. will it have enough strength left in it to put up a fight when china comes knocking for the long contested territories?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would China ever do that unless Russia collapses under its own weight?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        russia well be (is) indebted to china and china cant take taiwan, china and Russia have long disputed over land between their borders
        1. the best opportunity: russia is week and unable to defend itself after a defeat in ukraine (look at its air loses alone)
        2. china well want Russia debts paid land is a option (resources another)
        3. china can get a boost to its economy if it gets new land
        4. appease the population they humiliates themselves with their no show on taiwan (Chinese people were having mental breakdowns on vid(tik tok?) hitting themselves )

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Invading Russia proper is really dumb because it is one of the few scenarios where the muh nuke threat is actually credible.
          China can just wait for the demographic and ethnic crisis in Russia collapsing the country. Also undeveloped steppes is not exactly something China lacks. They could also populate the border region with ethnic Chinese and wait 100 years.
          Why would China risk plausible nuclear repercussions and styling itself as a landgrabbing agressor for a worthless plot of land when they can just capitalize on Russia being a pariah by buying cheap resources below market price there?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >They could also populate the border region with ethnic Chinese and wait 100 years.
            That'd be hilarious. The land the Qing ceded to Russia in the Treaty of Aigun can be the Chinese "Donbas Region" and Russia can't say boo because they tried to do the same thing to Ukraine.

            WHY ARE WH*TE RUSSIAN MEN SO GOD DAMNED SIMIAN
            it looks fine on the asian "russians" but fuck the pale ones look like sick fish

            >WHY ARE WH*TE RUSSIAN MEN SO GOD DAMNED SIMIAN
            Now you know why they worship Monke.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chinks are one of few countries that is willing to trade with 'em after the war. That means China will gain massive leverage over Russian economy and Russia will gradually become a Chinese puppet state if not outright colony. Russia is on its way to become first nuclear armed colony in the world.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Chinks are one of few countries that is willing to trade with 'em after the war.
        Cheap food and consumer goods did flood in on direction and oil in the other... but China also banned the sale of chips and weapons, and none of the high-tech manufacturers returned to the Russian market.
        China is not Russia's friend. Only Iran, North Korea, Eritrea and India.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Chinks are one of few countries that is willing to trade with 'em after the war. That means China will gain massive leverage over Russian economy and Russia will gradually become a Chinese puppet state if not outright colony. Russia is on its way to become first nuclear armed colony in the world.

          oh ya russia we become and is a vassal state of china don't get me wrong it's why they (russia) well never use nukes. but china can take land and also still have its northern vassal state

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PR China can't puppet anybody with culture.
        Mainlanders produce no attractive culture.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Mainlanders produce no attractive culture.
          *raugh in birrions of dorrars*

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Random shit most people haven't heard about
            Exactly

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay grandpa.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You mean the thing that just copies the Japanese anime art style to market it to weebs and full jap translation? If you didn't know, you wouldn't assume it came from china.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >justagopy
              mutt blathering
              https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/business/genshin-impact-china-japan.html

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A game that's essentially gacha botw with more anime made by a company founded by a bunch of otaku students.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The game copies Japanese anime styles to appeal to people. They have no ingenuity and have to copy in order to achieve a form of success.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >crimea
      Big doubt, they rather go full retard (nuclear) than to loose that. Lugandia and Bombass can be bargained away thoughever.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gerasimov was right. Kherson fell due to a traitor. The FSB lied and said they had traitors in every city ready to flip. Garbage in = garbage out, but he had the right basic idea.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    WHY ARE WH*TE RUSSIAN MEN SO GOD DAMNED SIMIAN
    it looks fine on the asian "russians" but fuck the pale ones look like sick fish

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The entire invasion and all of Putin's actions so far go against the doctrine as far as I understood. Gerasimov essentially wanted to balance out Russia's weak military by putting a bigger focus on espionage, diplomacy, economic warfare and subverting the enemy. Military action should happen only at the very end and remain entirely localized preferably disguised as a peace-keeping mission. I can see why Zaluzhnyi considers Gerasimov a smart guy. He seems to genuinely understood the short comings of the Russian Armed Forces and tried working around it. Monke meanwhile has done everything he could to escalate this thing and burn any bridges he had left to feind a diplomatic way out.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A Russian friend of mine told me that Putin along with a sizeable amount of the Russian population genuinely believed that the US and EU will “collapse" because of the US leaving Afghanistan. Graveyard of empires or some shit, they got high on their own farts and thought the USA was Macedon or the Soviet Union lmao

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >thought the USA was Macedon
      Why do people lump in Macedon with Afghanistan being the graveyard of empires? Alexander successfully conquered it, and Macedonians continued to rule it for hundreds of years afterwards. India and Sogdiana each gave him way more trouble.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You'd think that the British empire pulling out of Afghanistan without collapsing might have topped them off that this was more of a russian problem than anything else but I suppose I'm expecting to much from them again

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