Genuinely curious about copelord's claims.

Genuinely curious about copelord's claims. Is this actually an issue for US stealth fighters, or is he just acting in his usual manner?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh surface corrosion
      Why am I not surprised? The stealth coatings used on F-22/35 are essentially ultrafine, ultra bumpy layers of iron sandpaper. The idea is to reflect radar waves by providing such a topographically inconsistent surface that very few radar waves get back to any detecting arrays. Iron corrodes. The stealth surfaces of these planes are designed to be reapplied. The rust is not structural, and it doesn't actually affect the surfaces' efficacy (to a point). Copelord obviously has no clue about any of this because he's a low-information bobblehead. He just thinks that a bit of rust means, well, that's heckin bad because... because rust is just heckin bad, OK?!?!?!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >reflect
        Deflect

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good boy, now take a hot pocket

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rust consumes the stealth coating so yes, it shouldnt be there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But it's going to be there anyway because it's fricking iron. Each coating is consumable and will be replaced multiple times throughout the airframe's life.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Copelord is moronic because he thinks stealth is about the coating. Stealth is literally constructed into the plane itself, it's materials and architecture are designed from the ground up to be stealthier.

      The coating is the final part of that system. The AF has already done testing with some of the older "degraded" RAM coatings like the one in the pic and found it doesn't really impact radar cross section much.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      Copelord is preying on ignorance of how stealth works. it's invisible in the sense that when Radar sees it can't tell if it's a plane a bird or a fricking mosquito cause it's cross section is too small.

      And unless the S-400 is going to waste it's missiles shooting random birds it's not going to fire at every fricking radar return no matter how big or small.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I know nothing about the subject.
        But I know there are no trans-sonic birds that fly above the weather.
        But you speak with such confidence, so I will defer.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I know there are no trans-sonic birds that fly above the weather
          You really do know nothing about the subject, then.
          >t. knower

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Angels do though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wish I had a picture of that old Weekly World News cover where it said the US Army officially apologized for shooting down a second angel in Iraq.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Weekly World News cover where it said the US Army officially apologized for shooting down a second angel
              Literally just google those exact words, you silly goose

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, I've tried.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If it's going trans-sonic and above the weather then it's even HARDER to detect
          So you have a choice between shooting fragmentary radar ghosts up in the fricking stratosphere or shooting at anything larger than a pigeon

          https://i.imgur.com/3RxJhOJ.jpg

          I don't get stealth. If that's how it works, at it appears as a bird signal or whatever, wouldn't just an algorithm update on the radar be sufficient to filter that properly? I mean, you won't have a mosquito or a bird flying at Mach whatever. Thus it can only be a plane. Surely there's something more to it, or else it would be too easy.
          Please be patient, I have zero knowledge.

          In combat situations you don't get a permanent track like you see in movies with the dot moving across the screen in neat little 'pings'. That kind of thing only occurs when you're talking about shit like passenger jets with their beacon blaring, making themselves as easy to spot as the laws of physics allow.

          When it's a combat jet with some kind of stealth capability (and usually flying low as they come in to attack) you'll get fragmentary 'pings' with long gaps in between as your following radar pulses fail to get a return. If the target is stealthed then you won't even get a full return, you will get ghostly half returns, if it's going fast enough you can even get a sort of smearing effect as multiple waves within a single pulse return different positional data.
          Interception requires getting enough pings to reliably have course and speed bearings for the target, then firing off a missile on a track to meet the target at which point the missile's onboard targeting systems will hopefully acquire the target and move for the kill. Evasion simply requires having good enough stealth to frick up that targeting resolution so the missile pisses off in the wrong direction.

          Considering there's barely anything in the world that can get a track on the F-22 if it's out for blood, it's safe to assume the F-35 is borderline invisible.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't get stealth. If that's how it works, at it appears as a bird signal or whatever, wouldn't just an algorithm update on the radar be sufficient to filter that properly? I mean, you won't have a mosquito or a bird flying at Mach whatever. Thus it can only be a plane. Surely there's something more to it, or else it would be too easy.
        Please be patient, I have zero knowledge.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The one link you're missing here is that radars can't detect birds 100km away

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Going off

          The one link you're missing here is that radars can't detect birds 100km away

          , for radar to be effective at finding things it has to be active. This however lights it up and makes targeting it with anti radar weapons very easy. A stealth plane will be able to get into its missiles range without the radar noticing.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          its more like an eye of a bird

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >is that a plane of a bird doing 400 knots at 30,000 ft
        Tiny RCS helps making things harder but software filtering means you can set your radar to show anything as small as a bird if it's doing over 50 knots.
        The major advantage is fighter radars and fox 3 radars have to be small and "cheap" at least when compared to fixed radars with fox 3 missile radars being pretty shit seeing it's single use.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >when Radar sees it can't tell if it's a plane a bird or a fricking mosquito cause it's cross section is too small
        Birds and mosquitos don't cruise at 500 knots.
        Radar does not see stealth because radiation suffers from the inverse square law. At a distance, the intensity of the radar beam will have degraded. When this energy returns to the receiver antenna it again suffers from inverse square law.
        The purpose of radar stealth is simple - make an object deflect and absorb most of the energy beamed at it, and by the time the energy makes it back to the radar it will be one thousandth of a frick-all.
        Stealth doesn't make the radar say "aww shucks I can't tell if that's a F-22 or a bird", it straight up requires radar to have the noise floor set so low that noise generated by the radar electronics itself and random clutter will completely overwhelm the signal. Filtering out noise will also filter out stealth objects. At least until the aircraft is so close that the returns finally rise above random background noise and become detectable as the reduced distance doesn't degrade the signal energy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          As a sidenote to anyone still reading this thread, in case anybody hasn't thought it through radar goes by r^4 rather than just r^2 since the signal has to bounce back.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That was my real point, Finding a stealth plane is finding a needle in a haystack and half the hay isn't even there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >surface rust on untreated iron coating
      It's over. The West has fallen. Owari da.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I always thought the F-22 shouldn't have been made out of cast iron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      Applying the patented Copelord Decoding System™, we can assess that the F-35 and F-22 are perfectly capable of conducting SEAD and DEAD upon enemy air defence systems, and their stealth capabilities aren't compromised by rust and the pantsir is fricking useless. Thanks copelord for continuing to reverse-psychology catch the right thing. You have an odd method, working backwards and all, but it works.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      >Russian AA radar
      >Good
      I'm pretty sure he's full of shit.
      He's probably repeating what some moron trying to sell Russian AA systems said.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      We should bring back McCarthyism for simping c**ts like this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Become an authoritarian shithole because you're mad at c**ts simping for authoritarian shitholes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ok tankie

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think a tankie would call Russia an authoritarian shithole, mate.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          At least it would be my kind of authoritarian shithole.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >somebody is being wrong on the internet... the government should arrest them!!!
        get a grip

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There is being wrong on the internet and there is being an active fifth columnist for an openly hostile foreign power.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >nooo he's using his free speech in a way that I don't like, he should be arrested
            get a grip

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              nah i agree with that anon if you're openly denying war crimes like bucha or whatever, or campaigning at length online that donetsk/kharkiv/kherson are actually russian territories, you should at least have to do it over tor out of fear you'll get arrested. that shit is fricking disgusting.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                "Denying war crimes" and talking bullshit about the government is legal in America, moron. It's called free speech.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                nobody cares, dumbass. you're associated with known pedophiles (this isn't even a propaganda line, scott ritter is a literal registered sex offender) and spouting literal propaganda directly out of the kremlin. what you are doing should be illegal, and hopefully it will be made so.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              No, he should be summarily executed, I thought I was being clear.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Based moderate

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No, he should be summarily executed, I thought I was being clear.

                Based moderate

                >Based moderate
                This

                >nooo he's using his free speech in a way that I don't like, he should be arrested
                get a grip

                I'd like to see him executed on live TV by strapping him to a board and gradually increasing the volume on the US national anthem until his ear drums burst and he ultimately liquidizes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If there's one benefit of everyone everywhere openly pumping their dumbshit opinions out onto the internet 24/7, it'll be how easy it is to round up the wannabe quislings when WW3 breaks out.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it's wild how you vatnik supporters talk about freedom of speech, having in mind the state of freedom of speech in russia
              what was that about throwing stones when you live in a house of glass?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >>nooo he's using his free speech in a way that I don't like, he should be arrested
              You've already shown you have no problem supporting this.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >he's using his free speech in a way that I don't like
              I'm glad we don't have such a stupid law in my country.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cyberbullying is more effective. And funnier.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      does this moron get paid by russia for his bullshit or does he suck off rusians for fun

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He gets paid by twitter in the form of monetization. Greater engagement means more money. Which means that in addition to schizos doing it for free, Russia can weaponize their bots to gather money for gays who push their propaganda, entirely legally and without leaving any traces.
        Because Elon Musk doesn't actually give a shit about bots and spam accounts, despite what he said because twitter is haemorrhaging money all the time and he desperately needs to figure out how to make it earn money.
        When people get angry at his tweets and go looking at them, he gets more money as well.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          twitter gives money just like youtube?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, Jackson Hinkle is the highest paid twitter "creator".
            Which neatly shows how corrupt and bullshit the twitter system is because the guy would be incapable of winning an election anywhere.
            But on twitter because he's willing to be completely soulless and morally bankrupt in sucking authoritarian wieners, they will direct their botswarms to follow him.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Ah yes the wannabe Tankie who calls himself a "MAGA Communist" and who's own parents want to see him be a post-birth abortion

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but Elon has removed all the bots

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        russians have kid-diddling related kompromat on him, on pushes pro russian on twitter and makes money from "gott strafe the decadent west" types of people on twitter

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ask the jannies to ban him, let's have 10 painfully predictable
        >muh ziggers dumb
        threads instead, I know you love them

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      Copelord is right for once.
      If they can engage tiny-ass GMLRS projectiles (and they have with moderate success) than things like the F-35 which has only frontal-only stealth is a gigantic, radiating target the second it points its nose away from the enemy radar receiver and exposes it barn-like RCS side and rear profiles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oops, wrong pic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Carlo kopp
          your understanding of stealth is subpar

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Let's see your credentials.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No the first one was right

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            F-35 has front aspect only VLO.
            That's even what Lockheeb advertises.

            Go read a book, shit for brains.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That’s a lie. What’s the point of gaslighting /k/? For anyone else who’s slightly interested Google what a Luneburg Lens is and why they’re used on the F-35.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Can they retract those mid flight or do they have to go back to base for that?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Those have to be handled manually. They’re for letting radars see them in training, flying in friendly airspace so air traffic control can see them etc. Without a lens installed they can simply disappear if the radar / transponder fails which may cause serious problems.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                > flying in friendly airspace so air traffic control can see them
                Technically, most ATCs don’t really use skin paints anymore. Not when transponders and ADSB are a thing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Copelord is right for once.
        He's not. The last paragraph implies that stealth is only useful if you can literally fly over your enemy, but any SEAD/DEAD/Air-to-air mission will look completely different if you can be detected at, say, half the range you can detect your enemy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, he is wrong as usual.
        There's a huge difference when it comes to detecting and engaging a low RCS target that by design HAS to come close to its target, and one that can stay and engage from far away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      First of all,
      >cope lord
      Second of all, that F-22 is not “operational”
      That’s the one they don’t keep maintenance on the skin up because they drag it to air shows to show off. It’s not actually being used to engage any aircraft.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      What are you even asking here? If its true that you can target stealth stuff if you know it's signature?

      Of course it's true, how do you think stealth works, moron? It makes the signature smaller but with advanced modern radars you'll never be able to make it so small that the radar can't easily pick it up at hundreds of kilometres.
      >no stealth
      >radar picks up some several meter long object flying at high speeds several hundred km away over enemy territory
      >obviously there's no much that it can be other than an enemy aircraft, fire missile
      >stealth
      >radar picks up a tennis ball sized object flying at high speeds several hundred km away over enemy territory
      >is it a bird? is it an error? a plane? maybe someone is just really good at batting baseballs? do I really want to fire a very expensive missile at it?
      >have to spend weeks/months/years studying the signature of a specific stealth aircraft to know that it produces a signature between x and y size

      Stealth is just one of many measures to make it harder to be shot down, but it does not in any way make the aircraft invincible, no matter how good a job you do. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a moron or a shill. It's also the reason why you will never see F-22s or F-35s sent to Ukraine, it would be really stupid of the US to let Russia study them like that (and pass on the data to China).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I love it when people think modern radars are just literal magic and can pick up a baseball at 200+ km

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > with advanced modern radars you'll never be able to make it so small that the radar can't easily pick it up at hundreds of kilometres.
        And with radars that powerful (which don’t exist in a useful capacity btw) you’d pick up conventional aircraft at thousands of kilometers.
        THAT’S why stealth is important.
        It’s like the old joke of not having to outrun a bear. A stealth aircraft doesn’t have to be invisible, it just has to be less visible than a non-stealth aircraft.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If your radar could pick up every single baseball sized object for hundreds of km, your entire radar screen would be meaningless noise from every bird.
        >Captcha: ASKYS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R3JtxSd.png

      >guys, the russians are actually hypercompetent and we should be truly terrified, you haven't seen nothing yet, their air defenses are truly impenetrable
      except I've watched videos of a $120 quad drone blowing up multiple unattended pantsir systems
      the russians should get a professional skeet shooting force before they start talking shit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thats from the Raptor demo team

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Haven't Israeli F35s spent years dabbing on "modern Russian air defenses" in Syria?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They literally stopped flying in the north part when the S-300 was deployed in the area

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t believe this. The Israelis bomb areas mere km away from Russian bases

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They stopped for a bit after the 2018 debacle, when
          >Syrian S-200s shot down a Russian ELINT plane
          >Russia then integrated Syrian air defense with their S-300 network and began training Syrian officers on them
          >Israel switched to lobbing standoff munitions from their own airspace against southern targets, and fly through Jordan into Syria to hit northern targets

          But now things are deteriorating between Israel and Russia - who has been hosting Hamas leaders and increasing cooperation with Iran - where Israel has resumed arming Ukraine and may even escalate against Russian equipment if they fire upon Israeli jets

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They did until Russia told them not to do it any more.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not even the brochure purpose of stealth, what a moron, it's to increase survivability by negating the enemy's ability to attack you. It's like he has no idea what HARMs are and doesn't care.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it gave radar cross sections of...
      Oh, it's seen one now, has it? Has it tried shooting?

      >the F-35 is only stealth, and stealth is only to use close-range weapons
      The F-35 is an intelligence and battlefield awareness gatherer and collator. A flight of F-35s 100 miles from the front can tell a B-52 1,000 miles from the front which square meters on the planet contain radar-emitting assets, and the B-52 can delete 20 of them in a single sortie, if the F-35s don't feel like doing it themselves (which they can).

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know where he got that from, the main thing about stealth bombers is that they are a hard counter to ground based air defenses, this has been proven empirically.
      Radar tech has evolved since the, but also have stealth and PGMs.

      ?t=1073

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This shit is absolutely made up. Modern air fight is to spam 100+miles range missiles and turn around ASAP, not flying over these fricking things. And whoever detect the enemy first will win the contest, so RCS is not an "invisibility" feature it is one of variables (with radar wave lenght and power) in the range of detection, and with current issues with AWACS, Su-35 are sitting ducks.

      Claim about using stealth to spare on cost of missiles is new, never heard it before and is so moronic i dont have a words, but he is an artillery man, at the end of the day.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We have video of storm shadows flying directly over an S-400 unit and the crew laughing about it.

      Conclusion
      >Copelord is full of shit

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Weren't drones spotting them with impunity?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Well before Ukraine figured it out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What happened to byarktar strikes? Haven't seen one since months

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything he says is always the opposite of reality.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Genuinely curious about copelord's claims
    genuinely?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Genuinely.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Copelord is a prophet. He manages to get things wrong before they even happen.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Genuinely curious about ...
      = Ragneesh has a pressing need for some rupee but all the good talking points were taken so he's scraping the floor underneath the barrel and using Copelord.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Damn, that's crazy. Didn't crimea literally just get hit by cruise missiles like 3 hours ago?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What air defense doing?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hoping that they're not the next target.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        shooting down Russian AWACS' and MiGs.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Elite air defenses,
      As jyouzu as Miko's Japanese.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1. She was a hooah
    2. Copelord
    3. Even if pantshat manages to hit shadow sonic, a stealth fighter will never need to come close to pantshat engagement range
    4. That F-22 is the airshow F-22
    https://www.twz.com/29218/these-images-of-an-f-22-raptors-crumbling-radar-absorbent-skin-are-fascinating

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If Copelord claim it, then we can be sure that SCALP/SS, F-22 and F-35 are all completely invisible to any and all Russian AA and can strike anywhere without impunity within their range.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Copelord is a prophet. He manages to get things wrong before they even happen.

      He used to make video, but doesn't anymore lol. People kept making fun of his hairline.
      https://vatniksoup.com/en/soups/244/

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He looks like Captain Picard if he was thirty years younger and had down syndrome. moron picard, if you will.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >moron picard
          Captain Pictard

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He looks like the chinese bootleg of the EMH.

          • 1 month ago
            German generals think Ukraine will lose

            massively underrated

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >moron picard
          Captain Pictard

          Jean Luc moron

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder why he uses a anime profile picture

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's from the cover of his book where weeaboo teenage lesbians fight an evil empire

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >https://vatniksoup.com/

        Wow, it's like fricking Kiwifarms for vatnik lolcows

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Russians are definitely blackmailing him with proof of his CP addiction. I mean, look at the guy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Personally I think people like him are so moronic they do it voluntarily/for free because they hate the American government and military so much

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He couldn’t even beat the Smurfs. How’s he going to strategise about modern warfare?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Please don't compare poor Gargamel to this idiot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He works as a prosecutor

        How in the frick has he not lost that job on the basis of being a fricking e-girlpedo creep alone?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/3AAH1Xv.jpg

      does the Storm Shadow really have an RCS of 0.03m3? its just a 30 year old low observability missile.

      Also considering that Storm Shadows smoked the HQ bunker of an air defense army in Belbek Air Base on January 31st I think he might be talking complete bullshit as usual.

      >Well-known Russian analyst, Yan Matveev, has critiqued the current state of Russia’s air defense system in Crimea. His hypothesis articulates deep concern. He exclaimed, “It’s alarming to see Russian air defense teams on the ground observing the cruise missiles in mid-flight, with the S-400 launchers visible in the background. This isn’t a time to be spectators – they should be intercepting these incoming Storm Shadows. There should also be a ‘Pantsir-S1’ guarding the nearby radius. Sadly, these expectations aren’t being met.”

      Matveev should probably avoid windows unless he wants to be the next Russian milblogger to "kill himself"

      if russian AA weren't able to down storm shadows, attacks would happen daily.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't think they have enough of them for that

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There isn't enough supply of them to spam them like that. They are only used for high value targets.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >if russian AA weren't able to down storm shadows
        They functionally aren't. We've seen (iirc) one actually successful interception of a Storm Shadow on video and a ton of misses. But many good targets for the Storm Shadow are far behind the front lines, which puts the very endangered Su-24s carrying them at high risk.
        >attacks would happen daily
        Ukraine doesn't have enough Storm Shadows to do daily attacks.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        that's not how it works. they have limited supply so they have to use them sparingly.

        also, this might suprise you. but attacks take a really long time to plan. you have to collect so much intelligence before conducting one. it's not like the video game where you click a button and attack

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The main claim is that because some low observability can be shot down therefore stealth planes are useless, this doesn't follow.

        I don't know where he got that from, the main thing about stealth bombers is that they are a hard counter to ground based air defenses, this has been proven empirically.
        Radar tech has evolved since the, but also have stealth and PGMs.

        ?t=1073

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I always assumed that besides the lack of supply to just spam them, it's also Ukraine knowing how Russia operates
        If they spammed missiles at targets, AA would be on high alert and raise the chance of intercepting them
        But if they only use one every couple of months, maybe that mobik looking at the radar is paying more attention to his vodka
        Moskva died because its fricking defense system were off

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They don't have that many and they only have a handful of old ass soviet shitboxes they can even mount them to.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is this cope because of the Pantsir truck that rolled over while cornering this week?

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    expect storm shadow to frick shit up in the coming days
    every time this moron put a bold statement like that, 2 days later he's being disproved by actual results on the battlefield

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I find it kind of funny how he's kind of self aware and named himself "Armchair Warlord" but still is this confident about things he has zero clue about. (He was an artilleryman in the Army BTW)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >He was an artilleryman
        Ah, so a pussy AND a moron, then.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        honestly, after seeing him irl i feel sorry for him
        he obviously has some mental issues (that uncontrollable grimacing), he looks like a loser and he's into anime, having no wife or children, etc.
        guy is everything you don't want to be, and posting online seems to be the only thing going in his life

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >he obviously has some mental issues (that uncontrollable grimacing), he looks like a loser and he's into anime, having no wife or children, etc.
          guy is everything you don't want to be, and posting online seems to be the only thing going in his life
          So he's basically /misc/ if /misc/ was white?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wtf I guess I'm more similar to copelord than I would've hoped

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            time for you to start a twitter career then
            pick a topic you have no knowledge of and start typing

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There's also the creepy underage erotica novels...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I thought i was coming into this thread to laugh. Why you gotta do me like that anon?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        IIRC he was taking care of museum arty pieces.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That makes a lot of sense, artillery staff essentially get a shitload of concussions and lose their fricking minds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, he was such a moron they assinged him to keep some museum guns dusted off, then denied him any kinda of promotion and up-or-out'd his ass at first opportunity.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genuinely responding to this organic posting with a reminder that there was a literal Russian video of a Storm Shadow/SCALP flying directly over a Pantsir system that fires at it and misses.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This one?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        commander of the black sea fleet personally intercepted that missile

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Terrible filming. The Russians deserve to be genocided for this alone.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    lmfao. the israelis bomb pantsirs for fun. someone should send this webm to copelord. there are many like it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its export monkey model, russian ones have full features unlocked

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nice cope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Features like what? Tampon dispensers to plug into gunshot wounds? An inflatable mobik rape dungeon?

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the december 3 uk mod post should open your eyes
    pantsirs and tor's are doing most of the work

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      RUSI also made a report about a year back that pantsirs were reliably engaging and destroying GMLRS as well

      personally i think the biggest reason the russian AD network is so often penetrated is because the russians themselves are manning the equipment. in terms of their capabilities they are pretty good, their execution leaves a lot to be desired

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        no thats not it
        apparently as per uk
        the frontline AA is being operated by the army which they are the usual operators anyway and the ones on the flanks are on the air force
        there is also a rumor that the s400s on the flanks are not operating with short range missiles at all because russia doesnt have any left or if they have its probably at the frontlines

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Remember the videos of TB2s literally flying over "modern Russian air defenses" and taking them out? Cope Lord is, as always, coping.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    does the Storm Shadow really have an RCS of 0.03m3? its just a 30 year old low observability missile.

    Also considering that Storm Shadows smoked the HQ bunker of an air defense army in Belbek Air Base on January 31st I think he might be talking complete bullshit as usual.

    >Well-known Russian analyst, Yan Matveev, has critiqued the current state of Russia’s air defense system in Crimea. His hypothesis articulates deep concern. He exclaimed, “It’s alarming to see Russian air defense teams on the ground observing the cruise missiles in mid-flight, with the S-400 launchers visible in the background. This isn’t a time to be spectators – they should be intercepting these incoming Storm Shadows. There should also be a ‘Pantsir-S1’ guarding the nearby radius. Sadly, these expectations aren’t being met.”

    Matveev should probably avoid windows unless he wants to be the next Russian milblogger to "kill himself"

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Storm Shadows have largely been neutralized as a threat
    I suppose we have simply been imagining all the things it's blown up. Or is this one of those famous good will gestures the Russians are known for?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      When was the last time it hit something notable?

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd post a picture of one rolling over on his post but he has me blocked.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the storm shadows have been largely neutralised as a threat by this point

    guess we're seeing a big storm shadow hit in the next day or two

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    sub status?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This honestly stings a little, I love diesel boats. What did that poor Kilo ever do to anyone?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It had russians in it. TZD

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Agreed.
        Russian soldiers are enormously disagreeable, but they have (had) some damn pretty boats.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This honestly stings a little, I love diesel boats. What did that poor Kilo ever do to anyone?

      It had russians in it. TZD

      Friendly reminder the wasted crew of that tub needs crowdfunded support from a St Pidorsburg charity for submariners because the MoD refused to class getting skullfricked in drydock as combat casualties.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don't give a frick about the crew. Just the boat.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hello russian MoD good to see you lurk here too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Its dive rate has been improved.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So's it's turning radius, but only if you're turning to the left.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mohair gaylord claims
    This means we are very soon about to witness something get blown up. I'm adamant he's in deep as a double agent ordered to discredit world ziggery with eye-watering bad takes.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Huh
    When did Copelord transition from concentroll to full-on Russian dicksucking?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      24 February 2022

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >We already saw one a few days ago into crimea and it failed, all intercepted
    May we see it?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >this Black person genuinely thinks Pantsir systems would be engaging F-35s and etc
    does this dude not know the difference between long-range and short-to-medium range aa systems?
    the main opponent of Western Stealth Aircrafts would be S-300 and S-400
    The Reason why Pantsir and Upgraded Tor variants are primarily used to shootdown stormshadow is because they have Optical and Thermal tracking systems since Long range radar targeting isnt that easy with Storm Shadow flying so close to the ground and with its low observability design
    The Missile would already be within Short-to-medium range by the point of Detection in which case S-300s and S-400s would have little or no time to engage before its too close for its AA missiles to reliably maneuver against
    though If your engaging Stormshadows over the Ocean then Radar is way more reliable in which case S-300s and S-400s can engage them more reliably too
    Though Optical and Thermal Tracking isnt perfect since you need a direct line of Sight for it to work which leaves a lot of holes in the russian air defense since watching over every meter of sky is impossible and explains why even though Pantsir and Upgraded Tor can engage them it hasn't stopped Storm Shadow strikes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >does this dude not know the difference between long-range and short-to-medium range aa systems?

      He was literally a dead end career Lt. maintaining an inventory of museum equipment.
      His knowledge of military equipment and tactics is worse than that of your average /k/ war tourist, he just gets off to the attention he gets on Twitter so he pretends to understand everything so that he can pose as a resident "expert" military analyst.
      He was adamant picrel was a well executed river crossing and the casualties were perfectly acceptable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That was his tactician moment, big stars expertise came to light when he declared that Ukrainian Izum offensive was their Battle of the Bulge, death rattle, than he disappeared for a few month and returned like it never happened.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He's actually kind of fascinating to watch, like most lolcows he's aware of it on some level and his break from Twitter proved he's not immune to feeling too humiliated to go on, but in the end the dopamine rush he gets from thousands of people listening to his "expert opinion" always wins over the pitiful amounts of dignity and self-respect he's got left.

          https://i.imgur.com/EoiNWqP.png

          Based on CMO/CMANO (which massively overstates the capability of Russian equipment and takes their propaganda numbers at face value) a B2 Spirit would be tracked by their special passive "stealth defeating" radar for 90 seconds total as it flies over Jan Mayan then never be detected again until 24 JSOW-Cs with BROACH warheads would magically materialise over Moscow 20 miles from the Monkebunker giving Russia about 2 minutes to shoot them all down before the simian lord of the steppes is entombed forever in his cope bunker.

          [...]

          My bet is he commissioned some seriously fricked up e-girl art based on his sus books from a Russian artist who was a FSB confidential informant.

          He's most likely just the exactly right combination of incompetent and narcissist that he feels deeply wronged by the US DoD for his stillborn officer career.
          Basically, he's so bitter he does it for free and doesn't even require any blackmail material.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lol, imagine the Sneed that went into making that image

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    This thirdie seethe has not only convinced me that Ukraine has shot down every plane they've claimed in the past 2 weeks, but also that Russia has never successfully engaged a single Storm Shadow or SCALP missile.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    should have told the a-50 crew that it was all just lies

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    lmao imagine actually thinking people trust YOU over the ukrainian military.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    what i think is sus is that they can tell the exact model of the plane they shot down, as in they can say it was specifically a su34 or specifically a su35. how? i dont think this is possible by just looking at the radar signature of the plane.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SIGINT including radar captures, radio intercepts, the movement of the aircraft, depending on how close they are to the front visual identification with big frick off cameras (it is a thing, it's not talked about by morons because they think if it doesn't kill something it's worthless), and spy work inside Russia itself figuring out who didn't come back from a sortie, or out of a flight of two Su-34s how many contacted ATC on the way back.

      You're not going to get told about this since you're, you know, some random foreigner, so they just say the model of plane.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Also it is possible to capture and cross reference radar returns anon. The "looking down the intake to count the fan blades" shit was 1980s tier NCTR.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh this is also why it takes a while for the Ukrainians to formally claim a shootdown. There are enough winged decoys going around that you can't just shoot something beyond visual range and claim it was a Su-27 or something. You have to actually determine if it was a real aircraft THEN claim it. Hence why we'll see videos an hour or two after a shootdown showing what is clearly a Su-34 on fire in a flat spin and it'll take 4-5 hours for Ukraine to tweet about it. Or how we saw the A-50 footage at about the same time the press release went out. What you don't see (because you don't know) is the number of times they hit something at 2 am and claim it the next evening.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rule of thumb: If armchair warlord makes a claim, assume the worst of the opposite. So if he says "Storm Shadows have largely been neutralized as a threat", assume that a storm shadow is on its way to tear a new butthole in some command post.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >no u
    rajneesh pls

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "Rajesh" is more common I think

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Pantsir
    >engaging anything

    The only thing Copelord gets right is constantly being wrong about everything to the point of being a laughingstock among ziggers themselves.
    From Pantsir report: cannot shoot down targets with parameter more than 2 km, cannot shoot down targets faster than 400 m/s while 1000 m/s advertised, max distance of 20 km target should be not faster than 80 m/s and missile has max 5g available, no sustainer motor in smaller caliber stage leads to missile having a very severe deceleration affecting guidance law errors to nonlinearities, pantsir has only two guidance laws - 3 points and half straightening both are inadequate, has no fuse in the missile - remote fuse is precise enough for a kill only if target is flying directly at the launcher, premature explosions over complex terrain, meteo has severe effect on radar, cannot be transported by train without disassembly, artillery precision on the move is inadequate.
    Also cannot intercept theatre ballistic missiles despite being advertised otherwise.
    >"can intercept ballistics and hypersonics"
    >3 point guidance with no sustainer
    Star streak but with fancier tracking radar and a worse motor.
    More like a starburst really.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's pure and unadulterated cope. The question is, at what range would a Pantsir be able to detect an F-35? And at what range would an F-35 be able to detect an active Pantsir?
    Sure, if you knew the flight path and time of the plane in advance you would be able to hide the truck and then turn it on just in time to suckerpunch the plane as it overflew you, just like the infamous F-117 shotdown, but that are your only chances. Under any regular circumstances, the Pantsir would be toast if it blindly turns the lights on while there are F-35s on patrol somewhere over the region.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pantsir and RuAD in general are not effectively intercepting GMLRS or storm shadow.
    This has been one of the most obvious observations to make about this war so far.

    The F-35 does not have a 0.1 m^2 RCS.
    I have no idea how 'open source' estimates would have any idea about the F-35 edge treatment, RAM, or stealth composites in the first place.

    This guy is simply the walking definition of confirmation bias, he will believe any narrative that confirms his biases, literally all of his analysis is wildly speculative and biased.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Based on CMO/CMANO (which massively overstates the capability of Russian equipment and takes their propaganda numbers at face value) a B2 Spirit would be tracked by their special passive "stealth defeating" radar for 90 seconds total as it flies over Jan Mayan then never be detected again until 24 JSOW-Cs with BROACH warheads would magically materialise over Moscow 20 miles from the Monkebunker giving Russia about 2 minutes to shoot them all down before the simian lord of the steppes is entombed forever in his cope bunker.

      [...]
      does this moron get paid by russia for his bullshit or does he suck off rusians for fun

      My bet is he commissioned some seriously fricked up e-girl art based on his sus books from a Russian artist who was a FSB confidential informant.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is no panic

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    1.) Copelord was a lt. relegated to the job of 'jeep driver' who was never promoted during his time in. You can make captain by having a pulse and not molesting any enlisted, and even that second one is optional.
    2.) He has no credible access to the stealth features of American aircraft, and does not actually seem to understand how they work beyond the coating. He's also provably wrong on Stormshadow and on the speculative capabilities of S-300 and S-400, which have been shown to be 100% ineffective against F-35 already.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stop giving that ugly fricker publicity please he's simply a Russian propagandist and nothing else.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Storm Shadow isn’t stealth so it’s perfectly acceptable for them to be shot down normally with the required software updates to existing systems. Learning the radar signature of these smaller signal returns is the “hard” part but Russia is one of those countries with that capability.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I usually poke and (you) the stealthtard shills in these threads, but he has the exact same room temp understanding of stealth as the laser pork and most /k/dditors, except with polarity reversed (american tech = bad).

    Stealth does not make you invisible to radar. It reduces the range at which you will be detected and tracked. Due to existence of multiple factors like doppler effect and inverse square laws of wave propagation at distance, stealth at radio frequencies becomes exponentially weaker as you get closer to the target. Also, stealth does not work when the enemy radar is scanning you against the ground instead of cosmos, i.e. from above.
    So no, you cannot fly circles above the enemy undetected. But that does not mean stealth is not a gamechanger - even a 30-40km difference in detection or tracking range will make air combat lopsided for the side with stealth assuming both sides have comparable aa missiles.
    Also, at short distances Pantsir doesn't even use radar, it scans in optical and infrared channels. So it's possible to scatter a few dozen of them along the expected route of enemy missiles and shoot them down while not being able to see low RCS targets at beyond immediate range.

    Someone probably mentioned all that, but I didn't read the thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >People don't understand stealth
      >Proceeds to demonstrate zero understanding of stealth
      >Seethes about reddit and lazerpig out of nowhere
      Yep, that's a /misc/Black person

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the australian one is the funniest since that's the equivalent of going into a cspan livestream chat and going "haha that Black person lost" and wojack facing when you get banned for it. abc is literally a government run tv/radio station. imagine being so out of touch that you think the australian government of all places is going to just let you run around one of their livestreams yelling Black person repeatedly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Proceeds to demonstrate zero understanding of stealth
        Name one thing I do not understand correctly about it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          NTA, but have the basics, it's just that you're just a pedantic moron who didn't wait even five minutes to show your true colors. No one implied anything of what you said and you just used it to intellectually jerk off to an audience that only sees you as worthless.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Proceeds to demonstrate zero understanding of stealth
        Name one thing I do not understand correctly about it.

        Still waiting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Also, at short distances Pantsir doesn't even use radar, it scans in optical and infrared channels. So it's possible to scatter a few dozen of them along the expected route of enemy missiles and shoot them down while not being able to see low RCS targets at beyond immediate range.

      Every point defense SAM since the 70s had had an optical tracking mode like the SA-6 or the Rapier. Unsurpisingly in reality its never actually worked very effectively in real combat let alone against stealth targets.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Genuinely curious about copelord's claims.
    As moronic as the rest of that convicted pedophiles nonsense. He's a full on kremlin propagandist notorious for spreading kremlin lies that is the living proof the USA is far too tolerant of traitors

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong zigger shill.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        His main characters happen to be teenage girls.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's the only based thing about him, dunno why people keep bringing it up as an insult

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is literally nothing based about him which is why the US army dismissed him and he spends his days licking russian boots

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            kys, pedophile

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >scott ritter

      https://i.imgur.com/UYdYhyz.gif

      Wrong zigger shill.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Viva frei
      Oh I forggot about that canuck as his gay lover that still considers defedning Snipes as his life's achievment

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Modern radars can detect stealth fighters the issue is range. They can detect stealth missiles when they are extremely close have fun trying to do that to a plane 100km away.

    So he's both right and acting like complete fricking moron. In no scenario is F-35 going to be close enough to a Pantsir for this to ever happen.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The RCS figure is meaningless since you don’t know how they come up with it

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait so how long has it taken for Russia to 'neutralise' this threat and how much shit has Russia lost from Storm Shadows to date? I mean even if you successfully shot down every single Storm Shadow shot from now until the end of the war, I don't think you're going to unfrick the shit it fricked up.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not my problem. Neither Piggers or ziggers are White.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is literally a video of a whole brace of Storm Shadows flying merrily by an entire Russian SAM network while the operators stare at them ineffectually.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can see the missile traces above launchers on that video if you pay attention. The incoming salvo was probably too large to intercept.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    copelords tweets aren't worth electricity costs of rendering the pixels on my screen

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    He’s just a secondary-market propaganda provider (ie, grifter), not a Kremlin shill or a fifth columnist. The ONLY thing that makes him difference from the secondary-market propaganda providers YOU consume is which side he produces content for. The vast majority of content creators are servicing the pro-West / US market piggybacking off the enormous success of primary-market propaganda providers (Laserpig, Task & Purpose, etc). Ritter may be a primary-market provider for the other side, but guys like Armchair are secondary-market providers who piggybacks off the success of others, ie, chasing the hype train. NONE of these content producers regardless for which market segment they cater to are whole-heartedly pushing for a side like sports fans, they’re there ONLY to get paid from your clicks and drive hype / numbers with your views in order to get more clicks.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    my brother in Christ they cannot even differentiate between friend and foe how the frick are they gonna detect a stealth aircraft of a quality they can't even replicate

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    RCS has to be one of the most Donning-Kruger dense topics when discussing military technology online.
    I work with radar and i don't even pretend to understand it at more than a very basic level.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Short range systems like that are pretty irrelevant from the perspective of fighter jets, unless they're doing ground attack.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >copelords claims
    homie he could say the sky is blue and God would turn it green just to spite him, this moron has never been correct about anything in his life.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >close combat
      Is this even still relevant in modern air war? Not that chinks would look any better on the missile front

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it there is one single lesson that can be learned from the rus/uke-shitacular it's that nothing ever changes and war has a really funny way of requiring some lessons be learned over and over and over no matter what technology has changed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually weird, statistically speaking he should be getting things correct roughly half of the time, but somehow he manages to always pick a way to shit in his mouth.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Good post, I love re-reading this image every couple of months.
        Just amazing the amount of "likely", "I heard reports" and "there are rumors" he tries to get away with

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit, I forgot how deeply moronic people got in March of 2022.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >translates J-[censored] as J-20
      Kys moron

  53. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Another L for nafo.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well, only one way to find out!

    Time to support the deployment of F35 over Ukraine, if not Russia (officially Or unofficially, I don't care) and authorization to hit anything Russian they like.

    And in turn if they are right, they are free to produce the wreckage of one if they ever get one.

    Lets see who does better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. We get nothing until orange man good loses. Again.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    His opinion on storm shadows isn't really consistent with them penetrating air defense in static areas where it's concentrated (airfields, black sea ports) over and over.
    The F-35 thing revolves around a singular 'open source' claim with zero supportive evidence that the US is just flatly lying about the qualities of the plane, so there isn't much to discuss.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    d

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    he's like an inverse cassandra
    a man who is always wrong but is believed by way too many people

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have read the idea is to use longer length wave bands (higher gain) to walk in shorter length wavebands (better resolution)
    at first you only know where the target is within roughly 40 square kelometers, so you kind of have to hope your initial scans go unnoticed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Russia and China have been marketing that cope as anti stealth for years but it doesn't work. Lockheed isn't so stupid as to just build their jets to attenuate X band radar. They attenuate the whole spectrum. They are just optimized towards targeting radars for what should be obvious reasons. VHF radar is completely useless for guiding in weapons. You'll hear cope like "get it in the right ballpark". Ok, then what? SAMs can't loiter all day. Even S-200s burn their engines out quick. They can't just go hunting. And you still don't know what you are looking at. If you can even see it at all. They are just as liable to shoot down their own guys or hit nothing at all. And those long range VHF sets can be counter detected from even longer range. Why do you think they are working on long range HARM replacements? So when Ivan or Ping Pong pulls that shit they get an ARM in their face from 200 miles away.

      Ukraine has never stated that a Storm Shadow has been shot down, pozziya claims to have intercepted 2
      The question is which one is lying (hint; it's the one who always fricking lies)

      Even if they had managed to get one or two, and we have no proof, that doesn't mean they have a counter to them or can do it reliably. Evidence indicates they can't and Russia is extremely vulnerable to massed western LO cruise missile strikes. A CSG alpha strike could cripple an entire front and they can only watch and cry.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly, VHF arrays are huge and relatively immobile. Even if they can identify an F-35 flying in they're just holding up a giant sign saying "blow me up"

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Russian radars can pick up stealth missiles from 1km away right before they are about to hit
    >this means they will detect stealth planes launching missiles 200km away

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nobody spamming the one that rolled over in Sochi the other day?

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Copelord hasn't necked himself yet
    Truly the gift that keeps on giving.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      my fricking sides

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I mean all this is a foregone conclusion - stealthy cruise missiles have a lower RCS than stealth planes, due to being much smaller.
    IF the Russians can shoot the cruise missiles down, they can probably shoot down the planes as well.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >IF the Russians can shoot the cruise missiles down
      What if stealth cruise missile was capable of shooting back anti-radiation missiles, what then?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine has never stated that a Storm Shadow has been shot down, pozziya claims to have intercepted 2
      The question is which one is lying (hint; it's the one who always fricking lies)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot that the cruise missiles are going at low altitude all the time while the jets are going at high altitude or are being very careful at low altitude. You can feasibly hit a storm shadow or tomahawk with something like an SA-14 but you aren't hitting an F-35 at 20,000 ft with one.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I thought that moron got bullied off X*tter. Did the taking of Avqueefka get him to come back?

  64. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking morons still don't understand that stealth does not make someone invisible.

    It makes you really tiny so that they the enemy can only lock onto you from so close that by the time you get into engagement range you already have located the SAM and blown it up.

    Also when you are very tiny you can make radar noise with EW pods and the ground system needs to have some pretty advanced AI recognition systems to discern the noise and the real stealth planes.

    If you do jamming plus stealth plus other ew countermeasures than you are practically invisible even if everyone knows you are in the air.

    Ultimately stealth means that we see you long before that you see us. And if the pansir is scanning it's going to be hit by anti radiation missiles long before it can start to lock on to the plane as a search radar is about as clear of a target as a lighthouse in the night.

    On the other hand S400 at the rears coupled with radars scattered around the frontiline could be much more annoying as trading a radar for a plane is a reasonable tactic while keeping the launcher out of range.

  65. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    how long since storm shadow has blown something up, or until it blows up something new?
    he's not just a clown, he's the whole goddamned circus.

  66. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Genuinely brown

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