While we're melting down over chest rig setups, are elastic back straps worth it? The ones I'm aware of are made by JTACtical, Tracer Tactical and T.REX Arms. The JTAC and Tracer straps appear to be essentially the same, while the T.REX one has some extra quick adjustability feature.
I don't carry a ton of stuff on my rig, but if these elastic back straps are actually a useful upgrade to keep things nice and tight to my body while still allowing for good freedom of movement, I'll grab one.
Also, since I mentioned Tracer Tactical, does anyone have any experience with their H harness? It looks kind of nice, but I'm not sure it's worth $80. >https://tracer-tactical.com/products/h-harness
I'm thinking the YMi ASH harness would be the better buy for $65. >https://ymitactical.com/products/chest-rig-shoulder-harness-pre-order
If anyone has any experience with this stuff, let me know what you think.
100% yes stretchy back stap is definitely worth it i like the trex one
as for h harness? they are ok tend to slide around compared to an x harness though not too familiar with tracer or ymi but i will say if your chest rig is light go with an h harness but if you are carrying more than 3 magazines and medical go with an x harness
I personally wouldn't bother with an elastic back strap. It's gonna wear out fast since that size elastic isn't that resilient, and if you load up a rig, I think it'd cause the contents to bounce around. Dunno how it'd effect freedom of movement.
The tracer harness would be nice if you NEED padding but at that point a belt kit may be better than a chest rig. Being able to adjust the front straps seems useless. Most Harnesses are sized fine for normal people. Plus, there's plenty in the $35-50 range that are just fine (Haley, Unobtainium, Spiritus)
Looking for a gear bag to hold a PC, Battle Belt, helm etc that is tough and water resistant. This fox 3 in one recon seems to fit the bill but im not sure of the quality claims to have foam on the botton and sides with water resistant 600 DENIER for the material. Is there anything better and ideally lower profile? I looked into motocross bags but they seem to be flimsy and too big same with a lot of athletic duffles
Not trying to shit on anything here, genuinely curious. But if you are not in the army why spend money on this? Not talking about a good backpack, I mean the entire kit, plates and all. For shits and giggles?
2. When the US inevitably balkanizes, it's better to have the resources to achieve whatever objectives you plan to have during that time than to not. Whether that is community defense or something more nefarious.
It’s a fun hobby for middle aged men I guess. Im on the same boat, I wouldn’t waste money on any this shit because it’s already issued to me by the American tax payer but I guess it’s cool look at.
When the Second Amendment was written, militiamen (any able bodied man) had both his rifle/musket AND all the gear he needed to run it. Plate carriers and shit like that are the modern equivalent.
This. Every able bodied man from age 17 to 45 are members of the unorganized militia of the USA. The 2nd amendment clearly states that a well regulated (ie; outfitted) militia is necessary for our freedom to remain intact. It is simply a man’s civic duty to have possess the standard operating weapons and gear of his era, which in our time at a bare minimum, is a rifle, several magazines, a plate carrier, hydration, and IFAK. One should be capable of being ready at a minutes notice. Whether it is a foreign invasion, domestic tyranny, or even civil unrest following a natural disaster, it is a man’s duty to be prepared.
It is typical for the dumb and lazy to not understand how emergency situations develop and being prepared in advance is crucial. Such as gas lines stretching for hours, and stores running out of bottled water as people panic.
I believe that people who preach and practice the 2nd amendment should just as armed as the military, if not better. In addition, I personally can't join the military due to inane medical reasons but I still want to serve my community/family, so in addition to being an EMT (soon PMED) I want to be armed and trained
Thats kind of a cope, you can just join the military and get the genuine experience, but well maybe people cant join or wont join for various reasons, i would only for a couple of years
Obligatory "not that anon but". I joined and when I finally deployed and saw combat it was just fucking annoying more than anything else. Relatively brief stints of adrenaline. More often than not standing around and jacking off in the heat.
I just really like gear. They call it autism but I call it havin that dawg in me.
The only people who didn't get shat upon during the 2020 riots were people who were armed and took action to protect their neighborhoods. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of civil unrest, especially with a presidential election on the horizon.
My theory is that the "defund the police" movement cause a downward spiral of police moral and effectiveness. Every time major unrest happens, cops will be willing to do less and less, and many will quit. PTSD will also play a factor.
Eventually we'll have periods of lawlessness and the only thing the government will do is advice you shelter in place. Maybe some local communities in the south will organize militias or deputize a posse, but sheriffs will probably be under threat of a civil rights case by the feds.
Not the guy you're replying to but this is the one that really stood out to me back in the day: https://web.archive.org/web/20201004031205/https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1290473037729587202
You're really not too far off, anon. If you're not familiar with anarcho-tyranny, look into it, because you're on the right track.
i need organizer pouches for the following:
{in brackets is what im currently eyeing}
EDC
-ifak and first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
RUCK
-first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-hygiene {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-general pouch for small stuff to not go everywhere {magpul daka with clear window}
-dry bag for socks {osprey dry bag}
-dry bag for food {osprey dry bag}
-mesh bag for water filter and dirty water bags
-mesh bag for wet clothes to hang dry
-map case {helikon tex map case}
-ruck liner{osprey dry bag pack liner}
Since you're clearly on a budget here, I'd say hit up Amazon and find the finest organizer bags China can mass produce.
im not on a budget, i was about to drop 120 dollars on an assortment of kifaru bags that i needed but i refuse to pay 50 dollars of shipping on a 120 purchase so now idk what to get
Not a bad idea.
The Blackbeard plates are leftovers from a failed bid for a military contract. They're high quality plates in general, and insane for the price. They were torn down and tested right here on /gq/.
Nothing makes RMA shit anon, people just hate on them and AR500cfor NO GOOD DOCUMENTED REASON. They have especially NOT posted any evidence against those companies for every single thread for the past year.
Buy with confidence.
Because that is more weight, more bulk, and less mobility, all at a higher cost and lesser effectiveness than buying ceramic. We are living in a time where actual good ceramic plates are less expensive than their inferior steel counterparts. There is quite literally not a single upside to steel, in the past it was price but even that isnt true anymore.
for 99.9999% of larpers, no you don't "need" side plates
that said, if you're going to the trouble of wearing armor you'd be stupid to not wear side plates. In any kind of fantasy larp scenario, if you don't need side plates you don't even need front/rear plates and would be better off with a belt or chest rig
Also Stealth Armor Systems, which is the original.
SAS has a low-cost Level IV version that is pretty good.
Thanks for the tips I only see stealth armor systems has a 6x8 saftelife has rifle rated side panels I think they are 5x7.Wish they had 6x12 SAS has a little bigger at 6x8 but safelife is a lot cheaper
> but safelife is a lot cheaper
yeah cause Safelife sell absolute trash. Did you NOT see them in the "avoid like the plague" section of the armor infographic?
The wonderful thing about SAS is they make their own stuff, drop them an email asking if they can make custom side setup for you, they generally can and will.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Good advise ill save up for the SAS and hope militech puts outs out some soft level III side plates in the mean time
I do similar. The way I see it its all an odds game. If I have 3+ on my chest and back and 3a on my sides, I’m better off against pistol threats than someone with only level 4 front back. I’m also in for less weight unless the guy with level 4 is spending thousands.
>ed man from age 17 to 45 are members of the unorganized militia of the USA. The 2nd amendment clearly states that a well regulated (ie; outfitted) militia is necessary for our freedom to remain intact. It is simply a man’s civic duty to have possess the standard operating weapons and gear of his e
Seems like most don't bother but I've got them. If for whatever reason I, as a civilian, need body armor, I probably need as much as is practical.
I won't be humping it for miles on end, so a few extra pounds doesnt bother me.
Related, I want to get some deltoid armor because why not but it seems much rarer. Anyone got reasonably priced option?
Anyone have any recommendations for a powerbank. Preferably somewhat rugged, waterproof to a certain degree and DOESN'T have an on button that can be easily activated. Capacity isnt a massive issue. I find a lot of powerbanks have a button that easily gets pushed by almost nothing, that either turns on a flashlight or turns charging on, which drains the powerbank.
Fanny pack has more med supplies, I was using it for work with a different setup. I need to make some changes to this belt setup so that I can use that fanny pack or a larger waist pack aid bag with this kit
I wanna upgrade my single curve front plate to a multicurve, but is it worth getting a multi curve back plate as well, or should I just stick with a single curve?
Yes I’m talking about rucks for long term sustainment, for multi day hikes, which unfortunately I can’t do for more than 2 days due to work so I can only go the weekend, but when I got time I’d like to go for a week or something
For example I have a mystery ranch 6500 old gen which has internal frame, while the new one has external, I wonder how different they are in terms of comfort in holding weight
>Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand
For military purposes yeah, so much so they're probably too good for normal people to bother using. But if you already have one keep it and enjoy.
Internal is typically more "comfortable" because they typically put the load closer to your body. A good hiking/mountaineering pack can do a hell of a lot with just an internal frame and a good hip pad.
If that 6500 works well for you, keep using it. External starts to be more important when you are walking extreme distances, especially with major elevation change (proper load lifters are vital for this), or if you are carrying a shit ton like a grunt with an Alice/Filbe with a literal 150lb load.
By too good the anon probably means an osprey will take care of 99% of peoples needs, which is objectively true.
It's actually a Marshall but from that angle yeah it looks like a Beartooth.
It was okay, essentially the hunting/skeletonized version of the 6500. I ended up selling it because it wasn't what I wanted/needed. I've got a Pintler now and I'm not even sure I'm gonna keep it either, just not huge on the Guidelight MT frame for my uses.
I can get them for cheap as fuck since I've got an industry discount. Think the Pintler ran me like $250 and the Marshall was around $370.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So the civ line has some packs that are the same as the mil line but they’re made of lighter materials right?
How’s the pintler?
I’m looking for a ruck, bc the 6500 is huge, I’m thinking about the SATL, and the Komodo as an assault pack
1 month ago
Anonymous
Spec wise it all says 500d. The GLMT frame is carbon fiber rods whereas the NICE frame has flat stays and more of them.
The Pintler is a fine bag. I like the internal organization. The frame with overload feature is a great and practical idea I just don't need the capability and frankly the frame FEELs kind of cheap, though I know guys who've hauled out 100lbs of meat on hunts with it.
Considering giving it to my girlfriend as an emergency/disaster bag. She's into it but I'm not sure it's a good fit for her either.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Thanks, I’m looking at used bags but maybe it’s better to wait and save, I got the 6500 for 450 with 2 zippers bags so I think i got a decent deal, for the SATL I’m undecided bc the old gen has the thin hip belt which seems bad to haul weight, but I’ve seen there’s hip belt upgrades available that I could mount on it, new it’s 650, and the Komodo is 700, I’m mean long term it’s a one time buy I could afford but it stings
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah I get you. I've been buying Malice packs locally for cheap and selling them online to boomers near MSRP since there's a shortage. Made a decent chunk of change already and I'm thinking about picking up a Crossfire DG16 but I keep thinking "$600 for a pack is a LOT" when in reality it's not, especially if it's the last pack I buy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Where do you buy them? In person used?
Do you sell on eBay or some other site?
I buy on eBay/telegram/Vinted and then I sell on said sites, I buy under market price and then sell for a profit, for now I never lost money on a trade, last month I sold 600 euros worth of stuff, ofc not all was profit, but it’s still nice, on average I make 30 to 50% profit
1 month ago
Anonymous
Local avenues like FB marketplace, OfferUp, etc. Best deals are people moving, pissed off wives, or widows and those types don't post on tactical forums. Really depends on your local area though, I'm in a huge city.
I just picked up a mint full set up TT Malice for $300 because the guy "wasn't hiking any more", and it also came with a $70 TT rain cover he didn't even mention. Immediately listed the pack w/ frame and got $675 within 4 hours, then offered to add the rain cover for $50 which he jumped on.
Sadly I just started a new job so I won't have time to browse any more. Then again I'm making good money now so I shouldn't complain.
1 month ago
Anonymous
That’s cool, but I find it hard to get deals in person like the ones you mentioned (wife etc), how do you manage to get those? I literally do not know a single person that goes hiking, and the only one that ever go in the mountains do 1 day walks at most, let alone knowing anyone that owns gear
1 month ago
Anonymous
I just browse those and other non-standard marketplaces. Use both specific and super general search terms, but in the end it's a waiting game, maybe 1-2 possible hits a month.
Other than that just don't be a sperg I guess? I've got several years of sales, customer service, and even case management experience so talking to people is easy.
I want some plastic cases to store my gear at home, I can use random plastic boxes I got as I already do but I want some cool stuff.
Im looking for pelican type cases, but not the original because they’re too expensive and I don’t need them, it’s just to give the idea
Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand?
I don’t have the possibility of trying out a thousand packs so I can’t really compare them, but I tried some due to buying and selling and the mystery ranch ones are the most comfortable ones, and also have the best designs in terms of zippers and pockets disposition and shape, load bearing structure, and are are also indestructible.
They're fine, any decent brand at the high end price range, especially US made like high end MR, Kuiu, HPG, Kifaru, Exo, Stone Glacier, Etc.. will all be good to go, just depends on your body shape and comfort preference.
Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand?
I don’t have the possibility of trying out a thousand packs so I can’t really compare them, but I tried some due to buying and selling and the mystery ranch ones are the most comfortable ones, and also have the best designs in terms of zippers and pockets disposition and shape, load bearing structure, and are are also indestructible.
>Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand
For military purposes yeah, so much so they're probably too good for normal people to bother using. But if you already have one keep it and enjoy.
What is a good two piece belt that has molle all the way around, including the front? I have a Ronin belt that is well made except that from 12 to 2:30 there is no webbing, just seems like wasted real estate. I did notice the belt is expanded to pretty much its maximum length, if I got a larger size would this help offset the issue?
How do people use belt mounts for mag pouches? I have esstac pouches on a blue alpha belt and they slide around a bit. Would it be better to attach it to the molle directly?
Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite arrived the other day. The inner belt is a pretty typical EDC style belt made of webbing. There's no buckle. There's a polymer loop and you cinch it down on itself via velcro. Pretty comfy and relatively easy to adjust. It's lined with loop obviously, but wearing it around the house for the past couple days, this hasn't bothered me. No probem appendix carrying my G19.
The outer belt s shockingly lightweight and comfortable. It weighs almost nothing. The tegris core makes the belt very rigid vertically. Can't wait to spend some time with it at the range. The laser cut MOLLE is slick, but I mount most of my stuff with velcro one-wrap strips.
Use velcro one-wrap strips that wrap around the outer belt. Alternatively, use WTFix straps. Belt loops are sloppy as shit and MALICE clips are bulky shit. Check out this blog post from Esstac to learn more: >https://esstac.com/blog/micro-pals-webbing-belts-and-attachments-/
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Actually, now that I think about it, don't use WTFix straps. I've used them on chest rigs and plate carriers with proper 1" MOLLE and they're great for that, but they get fucky on 1/2" MOLLE slots on belts. Either use one-wrap or the straps that the pouches came with. If your pouches don't have sewn-in straps, use one-wrap.
I'm just really biased against MALICE clips. Bulky little fuckers.
Got it, thanks >I'm just really biased against MALICE clips. Bulky little fuckers
fair enough
Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite arrived the other day. The inner belt is a pretty typical EDC style belt made of webbing. There's no buckle. There's a polymer loop and you cinch it down on itself via velcro. Pretty comfy and relatively easy to adjust. It's lined with loop obviously, but wearing it around the house for the past couple days, this hasn't bothered me. No probem appendix carrying my G19.
The outer belt s shockingly lightweight and comfortable. It weighs almost nothing. The tegris core makes the belt very rigid vertically. Can't wait to spend some time with it at the range. The laser cut MOLLE is slick, but I mount most of my stuff with velcro one-wrap strips.
Use velcro one-wrap strips that wrap around the outer belt. Alternatively, use WTFix straps. Belt loops are sloppy as shit and MALICE clips are bulky shit. Check out this blog post from Esstac to learn more: >https://esstac.com/blog/micro-pals-webbing-belts-and-attachments-/
Actually, now that I think about it, don't use WTFix straps. I've used them on chest rigs and plate carriers with proper 1" MOLLE and they're great for that, but they get fucky on 1/2" MOLLE slots on belts. Either use one-wrap or the straps that the pouches came with. If your pouches don't have sewn-in straps, use one-wrap.
I'm just really biased against MALICE clips. Bulky little fuckers.
Posting the balkanized US soon to die in a trench setup, please tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Do you guys like big knives? I want to but I only ever carry a buck knife or other pocket clip folders.
I was going to look for pictures of high speed operators wearing multicam black and all I got was airsoft. It's only the medical stuff at least though, I'm going to bullshit and say the multicam black was a deliberate choice to highlight medical gear instead of admitting that I like multicam black.
I actually like it a lot, with the lv119 it stops just above my ballsack but covers lower abdomen like a bigger 3A dangler. If you want groin protection I'd suggest it. I don't typically keep it on the PC but if something crazy happens where flak or pistol/shotgun protection (imagine being gutshot by 12ga) becomes a priority it is nice to have. I'll pick up soft side panels and a collar eventually to have more flak protection on tap.
Using a full length AR with a red dot, for starters
Also, pick a camo, dude, it kinda defeats the purpose if you’ve just got big rectangular blocks of different patterns all over your body
>Using a full length AR with a red dot
What's the issue? There's a 3x magnifier and a red dot is easier to use under stress than irons. >20" ar15 ballistically superior to 16" >red dot superior to irons >flip up 3x magnifier for PID and reaching out
Red dot with mag is perfectly fine and a 20" ar15 is by far better than a 16" for everything but cqb larp.
They're still making them, they aren't historically significant no matter how much scalpers are charging on ebay for them. Maybe if he specifically cut up a set of Niemoller webbing or a 32bat vest you might have a point, but a dime a dozen p83 rig should be modified as the user sees fit.
Can anyone explain to me what purpose a blowout ifak serves versus just a normal velcroed utility pouch that can fold out?
Side note, thank you to the anons from last thread, decided to pull the trigger on a 6094 (400 US, decent deal even with importing). Gonna post my complete kit once it arrives. Any suggestions for the kangaroo pouch? I want to run a triple AR shingle in it.
Picrel was the 1st and dumbest gear setup I ever tried running in. That's an IBA. Feel free to laugh, I was dumb and the surp store had what it had
Thoughts on Defence Mechanisms helmet havelock? Don't think it's flame retardant but looks like it could keep rain and sun off your neck. Makes me wonder if a lightweight shrapnel havelock could provide high cut helmets comparable shrapnel protection to a full cut helmet.
Tell yourself that you don't need any of this stuff realistically, it's a hobby for manchildren who have rich inner fantasies about playing soldier in the woods. I know I'm chasing a ghost of when my life was "right" when I was paid by the government to play soldier in the woods.
I'll never use any of this stuff beyond trying to feel like I'm not so mediocre and I'll get to feel relevant by playing dress up and watching videos in my head of how I could be in Ukraine fighting instead of raising a family and barely keeping it moving.
Or you could just budget accordingly for a luxury expense and have some patience. This stuff isn't going anywhere and if it is something newer and nicer will replace it.
I once vbought one of those cheap digital pvs 14 style night vision monoculars and a few of these helmets to go wiuth it. anyone care to tell me what the velcro is for? if anything, I want whatever is supposed to go there to go there so I can like go caving in the helmet without ruining the exposed velcr0
I am as much of a gear queer as the next guy, buy why does this guy and all of you always have a Rite in the Rain? What are you writing down in combat or during SHTF?
Briefing notes, when the last time I took malaria meds/Tylenol/antibiotics etc, radio frequencies, meeting points Etta. Stuff you’re likely to forget when running on little to no sleep but would be good to remember.
Has anyone ever ran abdomen armor? Specifically hard armor, like a 6x8 plate? Theres always talk about side plates, what size to get, should one even bother, should they just get soft armor instead.. but no discussion on protecting the abdomen which is a much likely place to be shot. Much of gear thought process is based off of what works for the military, which makes sense to a degree, but when you are removed from their logistical network, some of the logic falls apart.
For example, if you are shot in the gut, you are FUCKED if you do not have access to a trauma center. Within the military, they can just stop the bleed and stabilize before getting them to a surgeon, but for us, that wouldnt always be an option. I think that one should assume that if society breaks down, any major surgery is a no go, and therefore getting shot in the abdomen is just as bad as being shot in the torso, perhaps even worse because of the infection issues. Wouldnt it make sense to cover the abdomen as well? How bad could a dangle pouch really be? Wouldnt the flexibility issues be nil since it can flex between the main plate and lower plate? I know that if I was shooting at someone who looked like they were well equipped, I would be aiming for their abdomen (or head if they were close range) not their center of mass, because I know damn well they probably are wearing plates. A center of mass shot wont kill them, it wont even take them out of the fight. An abdomen shot wouldnt kill them outright either, but it definitely would start the clock and likely immobilize them.
Am i onto something here or am I just being autistic? How is this not a more common thing?
Call me crazy but I like having wrap around IIIA panels for all those places I don’t want to get shot. Not much additional weight on top of ceramic plates. i don’t have a dangle groin protector but my armor covered near the belt line. Also I have my old school Vel Tye carrier so I’m not in with the hip micro scalable rigs.
Listen, pal. If SHTF and there's little to no access to proper medical attention, you are absolutely FUCKED if you don't have a full body armor loadout.
Think about it. Even if you aren't lonewolf'ing it and have a team of guys, if you were to get shot in the thigh by someone with a rifle, that's actually a grievous wound even if the round doesn't hit your femoral artery. You're going to be useless and a burden even if your guys put themselves in danger to drag you to safety. If the hospitals are abandoned, your guys are going to weigh the pros and cons and probably leave your ass there to be executed by the enemy (if you're lucky and they don't torture you instead).
The only realistic option for optimal safety, if you expect to engage hostile forces at any time, is a full body ballistic suit of armor. Don't trick yourself into thinking you'll be able to get away with anything less.
Have you ever worked in a hospital? Are you aware of their critical staffing issues? When they have limited supplies and even more limited manpower, do you think Karen, the white coat wearing administrator who sits on her ass all day browsing facebook and calling team huddles to talk about everyones feelings, is going to step in and patch you up? Hospitals are pretty fucked as it is already, they are just barely hanging on and manpower is stretched to the maximum. Throw in a prolonged natural disaster or civil unrest throughout the country (historically these have been localized, not national) - you should consider hospitals to be something you cannot rely on being there.
There are hospitals in Haiti and Myanmar. I’m sure they’re understaffed and under supplied, and fewer and further between than hospitals in stable first world countries. But they exist, and people with gunshot wounds get taken to them.
And much of that is thanks to a functional society outside of theirs. Take that away and what happens?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Haiti >functional society
1 month ago
Anonymous
>haiti >functional society OUTSIDE of theirs
1 month ago
Anonymous
Short of a full scale nuclear exchange, there will be no case where there is no industrial countries period.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I didnt say they would cease to exist, I am merely asserting that many structures we take for granted will be seriously degraded in capability, especially those that are already stretched to their maximum under normal conditions. Typically in non normal conditions (ie; natural disaster) the overload on the system is softened by resources coming in from areas that were not affected. If there is a scenario where everyone is effected, then it is likely that systems, such as our hospitals, will be put in a situation where they have to aggressively triage and tell some people “sorry, we cant save you”. These will be the people with the most critical, resource intensive care needed. For example, someone shot through the gut that needs emergency surgery and assloads of antibiotics that cannot be replenished anytime soon.
Back to my original point, what I am saying is, is that nobody seems to be concerned about protecting the abdomen when that is a center of mass target that has extremely dire consequences of being hit at even under the best conditions. I think it makes sense to have a 6x8 dangle plate to offer protection at the slight cost of comfort and weight.
>SHTF >full body suit >"if i get shot i will die" >mfw you expect anything like that to protect you >mfw you expect 60lbs of shit covering your body to save you in any way
i aint gonna sugercoat it pal, if you wanna talk about burden wearing that is like wearing a blinking a bright neon sign that says "shoot me i cant fight back"
What do you guys think of chest rig systems that incorporate cummerbunds?
Pic related is an example of the chest rig system made by Dynamic Principles. Basically, you buy a placard and cummerbund that uses hook and loop attachment at the ends (or at least the rear portions) to connect to the placard. Then you buy their chest rig back panel and connecting shoulder straps. The shoulder straps then connect to the placard via standard buckles. The back of the cummerbund halves then connect from the placard to a sandwich of hook and loop on the back of the chest rig backer, similar to how you'd connect a cummerbund to a rear plate bag. You can attach the forward ends of the cummerbund halves directly to your placard if you have First Spear Tubes or whatever.
It's similar in many ways to Defense Mechanisms' Load Carrying Platform (LCP). Might be too much for people who just want to carry a few mags, radio and a bag of trail mix, but both the DP and DM systems use laser cut laminate construction, so they're extremely lightweight actually, and can be scaled up or down relatively easily.
There are simpler options like the T Rex Arms Ready Rig, but that thing isn't even worth considering when Brave Castle has their very similar chest rig being OEM'ed by First Spear.
Anyway, I only really bring this up because elastic cummerbunds really do eliminate all the slop you tend to get with most X and H harness based chest rigs if you really get it nice and tight to your body, but the elastic still lets you breathe and move easily.
Man thats dumb as hell, and I've seen a lotta dumbass shit in my day. Wow that really takes the cake for retard shit. How much are people paying for that garbage?
Back panel is $35 and the shoulder straps are $30. The back panel is made to work optimally with their cummerbunds, but you could use whatever velcro-connection cummerbund you have on hand with little issue. You'd have some loop sticking out of the back panel facing toward your body. You could just cut it down to a proper fit for the back panel.
But it's a literal cope rig. "oh we made a rig so micro you can only have 2 mags on it so to cope we added a cummerbund to add a few more mags back"
My brother in Christ you could just have a normal rig from the get go and avoid all these problems
Goofy ass motherfuckers "I want a plate carrier but without having to actually carry plates because god forbid I go to the gym"
The pic is just an example configuration from their IG. They have several different inserts for their placard. And as I said, you can scale up if needed. They sell a wider placard as well as placards that let you have 2 rows of mags or whatever if you want.
Also, I don't know why I should even need to tell you this, but not every situation calls for plates. If you really needed plates, you could literally take the placard and cummerbund off the chest rig and slap it on your plate bags and be ready to go with the same loadout very quickly.
>god forbid I go to the gym
I mean, do you say this shit to all the guys running those Spiritus Micro Fight rigs with an H harness?
at that point you might as well just use a plate carrier and take the plates in and out as you see fit, which would be quicker than >take the placard and cummerbund off the chest rig and slap it on your plate bags and be ready to go with the same loadout very quickly
...which is a thing people do in the real world anyways
1 month ago
Anonymous
Have you ever taken plates out of a carrier and then ran around with your usual load? You end up with the same problem I mentioned most chest rig harnesses exhibit: slop. Plate bags are meant to have plates in them to sit properly against your body.
Christ, if that was a viable real world solution, chest rigs wouldn't even be a thing. Everyone who wanted a chest rig would just be buying plate bags and leaving them empty. The reason they don't do that is because it sucks worse than most H harness systems.
Christ you're fucking stupid. I feel like I'm being trolled. There's no way you're this goddamned stupid.
Does anyone make a 6x8 plate that is curved along the lateral axis rather than the longitudinal axis? Or in other words, the opposite way that basically all sideplates are curved?
Lads, where can I get a solid mid ride holster setup for a 92 compact with a tlr1? Extra retention would be nice too but it's not a deal breaker at this point
Picked up one of these to develop my sewing skills. Does anyone have any suggested modifications besides replacing the small pouches with molle and replacing the toggle closures with buttons & bungie cord?
I've been thinking of modding my type-56 as well. Maybe a rear velcro panel for the option of running a dangler pouch. Also drainage holes at the bottom of the mag pouches, and maybe some loops along the shoulder strap so you have something run audio cables through.
Regarding the rear velcro panel, I've read that the combined thickness of the mag pouches and the main canvas body of the chest rig will be too thick to run through a conventional sewing machine without disassembling the mag pouches. I wonder if it would expedient to instead epoxy the velcro to the back of the rig, and then additionally hand stitch the velcro to the chest rig along the four vertical columns that bind the mag pouches to the chestrig
Imagine spending your money to larp as some low teir government worker who spent 20 years and $6.8 trillion dollars losing a war to a few goat fuckers lmao
Looking for a new backpack for day hikes. About 20-25L size, and has to have a spot for a reservoir. Any suggestions on brands to look at that aren't Osprey/Kelty/etc? Here is a photo of a Helikon Tex one that looks about what I want. bonus points if it is woodland camo.
Also want to know this but packs that are similar to crye’s AVS1000 where you can swing it sideways from the back of your PC without detaching the whole thing. But also can be used as a standalone pack.
I don't know but I live in the same town so I'm obligated to shill for them. I do like my Ute a lot too. In any case, yeah they restock fairly frequently, normally like 2-3 weeks.
EDC
-ifak and first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
RUCK
-first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-hygiene {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-general pouch for small stuff to not go everywhere {magpul daka with clear window}
-dry bag for socks {osprey dry bag}
-dry bag for food {osprey dry bag}
-mesh bag for water filter and dirty water bags
-mesh bag for wet clothes to hang dry
-map case {helikon tex map case}
-ruck liner{osprey dry bag pack liner}
Imagine if the happening truly happened and you're walking around with 30k worth of gear and equipment.
You would be a walking piñata of fancy wartime goodies asking to get ganged up on by people armed with Brazilian makeshift scrapguns
>implying brazillian piñata pirates will have NVGs >implying i would be doing anything except hunkering down during daylight hours for this exact reason
>hunkering down during daylight hours
thats the problem, you're gonna need to sleep eventually and you'll be mostly helpless from an ambush at that time especially if your position is spotted by others who were following you interested in those thermals you brought with you.
bring no more than what's necessary and nothing too flamboyant regardless of how tacticool it make you look, anything overly fancy or expensive will just put a bounty on you.
Idiot larp fuck there will not be bandits roaming around places bounty posters on trees for other peoples gear. On what planet would someone see a heavily armed group of people and think “yes, let me risk being shot to fucking death by messing with these dudes” rather than choosing to go after one of the thousands of other households that are not well armed? Life isnt a video game, you dont respawn, you dont intentionally go after other people knowing they are armed to the teeth and will probably kill you. That is the absolute last people you would want to fuck with.
my point is the more decked out you are on expensive looking things the more "richer" you look, so the more criminals and armed gangs will want your "riches".
go out on some 3rd world country dressed in some suit or business wear (can be cheap synthetics as long as it looks valuable) and see how long it takes before criminals try and rob you, the same will apply when a country is on a crisis and things have delved into a cesspool.
I'm not saying that having shit like thermals or night vision is retarded, just keep these things stored somewhere safe and quickly accessible for when you need them. keep things simple
the trick to surviving is to not draw too much attention to yourself, there WILL be people who are more than willing to risk their lives just to take your shit and use it for their own malicious intents.
and besides, i dont think "people of african american decent" care wether or not you look like a death squad as long as they can sell your shit and organs to buy more crack.
>the trick to surviving is to not draw too much attention to yourself
Again, which is why you do all required movement at night and hunker down during the day. What exactly do you picture going on? Fully geared people just casually walking their dog as the world burns without a care in the world, as if they have a superhero cape on and nobody can touch them? Roaming gangs of peaceful but fiery protesters going around unchallenged and not being killed on sight? Youre trying to prove a point but the scenario you are laying out is ridiculous and absurd. Nobody is going to intentionally pick a fight with the most dangerous people they can find. That would be suicide.
>my point is the more decked out you are on expensive looking things the more "richer" you look, so the more criminals and armed gangs will want your "riches".
or the better decked out you look, being around other similar people, makes you look like you know what you're doing and therefore not an easy mark
you better have one hell of a gang then, because i'm coming for those fancy goggles and kevlar laced tactical fingerless gloves of yours once society crumbles (i think they look cool)
why not just use usgi wet weather bags? similar price, more volume, guaranteed to survive a dunking in the lake, which a waxed pouch wont because of the zipper
anyway im in europe so i cant find the usgi bags nor the kifaru bags unless i pay 50 euros for shipping, but i cant find any other bag of the same type, which is strange since its just a cordura bag
Already got 2 osprey dry bags, but the kifaru pullouts were for organizing hygien kit, first aid kit, and random items like cord, lighters, etc, and the big pullout for food, while my current dry bags I use for socks and the other one for food but it’s too small
Plus I’m a consoomer and like coyote brown pouches instead of blue ones
But it seems very difficult to get kifaru stuff in Europe, there’s no seller that has them
I've never put hygiene kit or ifak in a dry bag, or food tbh
usually just sleep system and clothes and spare ammo/radio batteries
but I guess some of that is not a concern for a euro
1 month ago
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i dont put that stuff in a dry bag either, the dry bag is for socks and clothes
and if you want you can bring guns inna woods, just depends if youre willing to follow laws or not, but at least on multi day hikes it unlikely youll ever make contact with the police
weight and not able to mount nods and ear pro without some handiwork? That said unless you are expecting artillery frag and shrapnel a helmet's primary purposes are:
A) preventing falling debris or head bumps from fucking you up (statistically the biggest threat to your head)
B) providing a mounting platform for nods and earpro
The actual bullet resistance is questionable in terms of frequency and survival. IE it happens but it's rare to get a head shot where the armour of the helmet (not just deflection and luck) directly leads to survival.
pasgt has the cut to fit peltors under, at least it looks like it. why would i spend $300 on a helmet that does the same thing as a $175 helmet, aside from adding a mount point for $10k nods
Hey queers. I’m about to order some surplus pants and need a belt to go along with it. I just need something cheap that won’t fall apart that I can maybe slap some stuff on. I’m going to save up for a nicer belt when I get a handgun, (I have two rifles so I’m not noguns) but for now I was thinking about getting this. >pic related.
Do I need to get an inner belt to run through my loops and then attach this to the outside? Are there better options? I pretty much just want to hold my pants up and keep an extra rifle mag or med on it.
that's got loop (soft velcro) on the inside, so it won't fuck up your pants. I use Esstac belt loops for mag pouches, but some guys have broken them.
pasgt has the cut to fit peltors under, at least it looks like it. why would i spend $300 on a helmet that does the same thing as a $175 helmet, aside from adding a mount point for $10k nods
Do not pay $175 for a PASGT, it has the garbage suspension system. You can get an ACH for close to that or cheaper. Check ebay often.
$175 for a PASGT is highway robbery.
They're worth about $50.
You can get an E.German m1956 for $80, and those are absolutely better helmets than the PASGT, and they have more historical value.
Anyone know how to replace the buckle on an ALICE LC2 belt? the rectangular metal bar for holding down the fastener makes it impossible to remove; the button to hold down excess belt blocks the rectangular bar in turn. I don't want to cut it off either if I don't have to but the buckle got fucked.
Even if you're an infantryman there's an argument in favor of concealable soft armor over overt carriers. Frag causes 80-90% of all combat casualties, and soft armor offers more coverage & more protection against fragments and shrapnel.
https://i.imgur.com/7HeUtF2.gif
Should I sell my soft armor given to me by my dad for a plate carrier. His idea was for both me and my wife to have something...
It seems useless except as a last ditch.
I can just wait a couple months a buy a carrier and plates... not sure I even want this around the house
Unless you're running high-end plates in a good carrier that's properly configured, you're probably better off with the soft armor.
when I was in the sandbox the main threat was explosives so theoretically we should have all worn every piece of the iotv soft armor, but we all stripped them down to just plates lol
Besides soft cummerbund armor and groin/throat soft armor would you add anything to a traditional minimal plate carrier to scale up for frag protection?
>regular everyday average Joe
Well I have been but now I want to train in kit and a plate carrier feels and looks awkward over the soft plate.... maybe its all in my head.
But I dont like the idea of any rifle round smoking straight through these
It looks like there's a top open plate pocket if you wanted to throw some plates in. I'd keep the vest you have and buy plates and a good chest rig to get what you want affordably.
>I just wish the armor had mole or something to attach stuff and not be completely intendent from carrier
You know I thought the same thing for a while but after building up a dedicated PC I kind of wish I just went for slick carrier+chest rig.
Here's an scenario for you >Hiking with combat load >armor is heavy as hell >not expecting contact but want access to gear >place slick armor carrier inna ruck >hike with chest rig and ruck >finish recce shit >want to prepare for ambush >don slick armor and wear chest rig over armor
Separating your combat load from your armor has some pretty great benefits and I'd only really prefer a dedicated plate carrier if I needed to don and doff my combat load quickly ala QRF.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Could I use my SPC as a slick carrier or is it too bulky?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Just strip it down and manage snag points with tape. As long as it carries armor and you can comfortably wear a rig over it you get what you want.
1 month ago
Anonymous
First spear slick carrier is good and cheap
1 month ago
Anonymous
I had sort of a similar idea. I've got a slickster I can run a basic load on (3 to 5 mags, ifak, water, radio), a larger lbv88+ALICE rig, and a 6094. I can go anything from >no armor full kit (long hike/innawoods) >lighter armor and kit setup (QRF) >Armour ran slick with lbe for sustainment (innawoods with armour) >Full battle rattle 6094 with 10+ mags, sustainment, ifak, and all the armour I want, the works. (Long drawn out fight)
Way I see it that covers everything from fucking around in the brush to prolonged defense of a position (think peaceful fiery riot at your doorstep)
I need a good ruck between my assault pack and by giga ruck, what’s a good option?
I’m finding some mystery ranch SATL going from 260 to 350 euros and they seem good
Hey lads, I'm thinking of buying a pair of crye combat pants finally. Should I go with the g3 or g4s and is Cryes website the best place to buy em?
Dont buy direct from them, go anywhere else. Their lead times are and always have been shit.
Thanks anons
best place to get some mc tropic crye pants? I'm looking for 30r/32r
Probably optactical.com, or the other sites anons have posted. Evike etc
Either is fine, literally anywhere but crye's website
Buy them from OPTactical or Evike, Crye's website sucks dick.
300 dollars? Wtf?
Reposting my questions from the previous thread:
While we're melting down over chest rig setups, are elastic back straps worth it? The ones I'm aware of are made by JTACtical, Tracer Tactical and T.REX Arms. The JTAC and Tracer straps appear to be essentially the same, while the T.REX one has some extra quick adjustability feature.
>https://www.jtacticalsolutions.com/collections/frontpage/products/elastic-back-strap
>https://tracer-tactical.com/products/elastic-back-strap
>https://www.trex-arms.com/store/T-REX-Back-Strap/
I don't carry a ton of stuff on my rig, but if these elastic back straps are actually a useful upgrade to keep things nice and tight to my body while still allowing for good freedom of movement, I'll grab one.
Also, since I mentioned Tracer Tactical, does anyone have any experience with their H harness? It looks kind of nice, but I'm not sure it's worth $80.
>https://tracer-tactical.com/products/h-harness
I'm thinking the YMi ASH harness would be the better buy for $65.
>https://ymitactical.com/products/chest-rig-shoulder-harness-pre-order
If anyone has any experience with this stuff, let me know what you think.
100% yes stretchy back stap is definitely worth it i like the trex one
as for h harness? they are ok tend to slide around compared to an x harness though not too familiar with tracer or ymi but i will say if your chest rig is light go with an h harness but if you are carrying more than 3 magazines and medical go with an x harness
???????
my dude what
H harness is better for more weight, X is shittier overall and only exists for simpler manufacturing ie chicom
I personally wouldn't bother with an elastic back strap. It's gonna wear out fast since that size elastic isn't that resilient, and if you load up a rig, I think it'd cause the contents to bounce around. Dunno how it'd effect freedom of movement.
The tracer harness would be nice if you NEED padding but at that point a belt kit may be better than a chest rig. Being able to adjust the front straps seems useless. Most Harnesses are sized fine for normal people. Plus, there's plenty in the $35-50 range that are just fine (Haley, Unobtainium, Spiritus)
When the whole squad lookin' fresh af.
>all the gear in the world
>die to starving teenager from Mali wearing flip flops
What did they mean by this?
Looking for a gear bag to hold a PC, Battle Belt, helm etc that is tough and water resistant. This fox 3 in one recon seems to fit the bill but im not sure of the quality claims to have foam on the botton and sides with water resistant 600 DENIER for the material. Is there anything better and ideally lower profile? I looked into motocross bags but they seem to be flimsy and too big same with a lot of athletic duffles
lol
I literally just use army issue green duffels (the newer zipper ones not the old ones with no zippers)
To you that's a lot of gear. To a western soldier (who despite your fears and fantasies are still mortal men) it's generic stuff they're issued free.
Its a lot of gear for the 15 year old with botulism that looted it off a dead frog’s body.
I guess they don't trust you with an SKL, huh?
Is Apple certified /gq/ ? Are De-Googled pixels the poor cope?
Why do you care? Just use whatever you want
For what purpose? ATAK only works on Android afaik
Realistically, you shouldn't be using a phone. ATAK is a meme innawoods.
If you're wanting to use ATAK, get a Chink Android phone that you never connect to the internet or network.
Not trying to shit on anything here, genuinely curious. But if you are not in the army why spend money on this? Not talking about a good backpack, I mean the entire kit, plates and all. For shits and giggles?
1. It looks cool.
2. When the US inevitably balkanizes, it's better to have the resources to achieve whatever objectives you plan to have during that time than to not. Whether that is community defense or something more nefarious.
It’s a fun hobby for middle aged men I guess. Im on the same boat, I wouldn’t waste money on any this shit because it’s already issued to me by the American tax payer but I guess it’s cool look at.
When the Second Amendment was written, militiamen (any able bodied man) had both his rifle/musket AND all the gear he needed to run it. Plate carriers and shit like that are the modern equivalent.
This. Every able bodied man from age 17 to 45 are members of the unorganized militia of the USA. The 2nd amendment clearly states that a well regulated (ie; outfitted) militia is necessary for our freedom to remain intact. It is simply a man’s civic duty to have possess the standard operating weapons and gear of his era, which in our time at a bare minimum, is a rifle, several magazines, a plate carrier, hydration, and IFAK. One should be capable of being ready at a minutes notice. Whether it is a foreign invasion, domestic tyranny, or even civil unrest following a natural disaster, it is a man’s duty to be prepared.
It is typical for the dumb and lazy to not understand how emergency situations develop and being prepared in advance is crucial. Such as gas lines stretching for hours, and stores running out of bottled water as people panic.
It's cheap when you have a real job.
holy shit you fucking killed him dude. how will NEETs ever (financially) recover?
2020 riots got me concerned so I want to be prepared in case things like that start to happen again
I believe that people who preach and practice the 2nd amendment should just as armed as the military, if not better. In addition, I personally can't join the military due to inane medical reasons but I still want to serve my community/family, so in addition to being an EMT (soon PMED) I want to be armed and trained
You are responsible for your own and others security
We like to play tactical dress up and are just kidding ourselves
Thats kind of a cope, you can just join the military and get the genuine experience, but well maybe people cant join or wont join for various reasons, i would only for a couple of years
Obligatory "not that anon but". I joined and when I finally deployed and saw combat it was just fucking annoying more than anything else. Relatively brief stints of adrenaline. More often than not standing around and jacking off in the heat.
I just really like gear. They call it autism but I call it havin that dawg in me.
How the fuck is that cope I'm basically confirming it's for shits and giggles
Depends what country you live in, in some places it’s just a waste of time where gays go to get gibs
could be useful in a post apocalyptic militia
i'm a weekend warrior and get to lend assault rifles from army occasionally
Its a hobby that has some (unlikely) potential practical applications.
Some people spend the same amount of money on funko pops or golf clubs
The only people who didn't get shat upon during the 2020 riots were people who were armed and took action to protect their neighborhoods. I'm sure we haven't seen the last of civil unrest, especially with a presidential election on the horizon.
My theory is that the "defund the police" movement cause a downward spiral of police moral and effectiveness. Every time major unrest happens, cops will be willing to do less and less, and many will quit. PTSD will also play a factor.
Eventually we'll have periods of lawlessness and the only thing the government will do is advice you shelter in place. Maybe some local communities in the south will organize militias or deputize a posse, but sheriffs will probably be under threat of a civil rights case by the feds.
Best plan to protect yourself.
>Maybe some local communities in the south will organize militias or deputize a posse
This actually happened in 2020
Tell us the story anon.
Not the guy you're replying to but this is the one that really stood out to me back in the day: https://web.archive.org/web/20201004031205/https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1290473037729587202
You're really not too far off, anon. If you're not familiar with anarcho-tyranny, look into it, because you're on the right track.
Since you're clearly on a budget here, I'd say hit up Amazon and find the finest organizer bags China can mass produce.
im not on a budget, i was about to drop 120 dollars on an assortment of kifaru bags that i needed but i refuse to pay 50 dollars of shipping on a 120 purchase so now idk what to get
none of your business
side plates y/n? trying to decide between a few hoplite and RMA models
I vote yes
Side plates are an okay idea.
But don't buy RMA, they are shit tier.
QRD on blackbeard plates please, they are selling the fucking things for $75 per and that just sounds like a scam. How are they so cheap?
75 is the side plates. They’re ~180 per for actual full size plates. They look legit. There was a teardown posted in /gq/ a few months back.
Still insane pricing.. i feel like I should buy a couple of sets for family members
Not a bad idea.
The Blackbeard plates are leftovers from a failed bid for a military contract. They're high quality plates in general, and insane for the price. They were torn down and tested right here on /gq/.
what makes rma shit tier? weight isn't an issue for me
Nothing makes RMA shit anon, people just hate on them and AR500cfor NO GOOD DOCUMENTED REASON. They have especially NOT posted any evidence against those companies for every single thread for the past year.
Buy with confidence.
Picrel isn't even updated. RMA is absolute dogshit.
Gonna be contraction on steel: why not get a neck protector and arm protectors with the steel?
Because that is more weight, more bulk, and less mobility, all at a higher cost and lesser effectiveness than buying ceramic. We are living in a time where actual good ceramic plates are less expensive than their inferior steel counterparts. There is quite literally not a single upside to steel, in the past it was price but even that isnt true anymore.
for 99.9999% of larpers, no you don't "need" side plates
that said, if you're going to the trouble of wearing armor you'd be stupid to not wear side plates. In any kind of fantasy larp scenario, if you don't need side plates you don't even need front/rear plates and would be better off with a belt or chest rig
>t. former pc fag now chest rigfag
Personally I run lvl 4 front and back, and then soft armor on the sides
Soft side plate level III or IV when?
safelife makes some semi flexible stuff but dont know how they preform
Also Stealth Armor Systems, which is the original.
SAS has a low-cost Level IV version that is pretty good.
Thanks for the tips I only see stealth armor systems has a 6x8 saftelife has rifle rated side panels I think they are 5x7.Wish they had 6x12 SAS has a little bigger at 6x8 but safelife is a lot cheaper
> but safelife is a lot cheaper
yeah cause Safelife sell absolute trash. Did you NOT see them in the "avoid like the plague" section of the armor infographic?
The wonderful thing about SAS is they make their own stuff, drop them an email asking if they can make custom side setup for you, they generally can and will.
Good advise ill save up for the SAS and hope militech puts outs out some soft level III side plates in the mean time
I do similar. The way I see it its all an odds game. If I have 3+ on my chest and back and 3a on my sides, I’m better off against pistol threats than someone with only level 4 front back. I’m also in for less weight unless the guy with level 4 is spending thousands.
Yes. Why not cover another section of your torso that if it gets shot would yield a sucking chest wound (pneumothorax)?
>ed man from age 17 to 45 are members of the unorganized militia of the USA. The 2nd amendment clearly states that a well regulated (ie; outfitted) militia is necessary for our freedom to remain intact. It is simply a man’s civic duty to have possess the standard operating weapons and gear of his e
Seems like most don't bother but I've got them. If for whatever reason I, as a civilian, need body armor, I probably need as much as is practical.
I won't be humping it for miles on end, so a few extra pounds doesnt bother me.
Related, I want to get some deltoid armor because why not but it seems much rarer. Anyone got reasonably priced option?
Anyone have any recommendations for a powerbank. Preferably somewhat rugged, waterproof to a certain degree and DOESN'T have an on button that can be easily activated. Capacity isnt a massive issue. I find a lot of powerbanks have a button that easily gets pushed by almost nothing, that either turns on a flashlight or turns charging on, which drains the powerbank.
How’s tactical tailors refund policy?
PEQ and Glock irons in the mail, still need arc clips for the peltors and TNVC mohawk
Are those pants made by Roman Kurmaz and if they are, have you ever tried seeing how they look under IR light?
No they’re crye
was wondering this myself actually. I'm sure it differs by pattern used but would be interesting to see still.
Got the same beez cumberbund for my avs, where'd you get the peq?
Fb group
I need to get back on there I guess just to get a quality peq. Which group?
Is that fanny pack an edc thing or do you actually run it with this belt and pc?
Not him but I'll often run a fanny pack together with a similar belt set up.
Fanny pack has more med supplies, I was using it for work with a different setup. I need to make some changes to this belt setup so that I can use that fanny pack or a larger waist pack aid bag with this kit
What mag extension is that?
I wanna upgrade my single curve front plate to a multicurve, but is it worth getting a multi curve back plate as well, or should I just stick with a single curve?
yeah
yeah
R8 gear.
>belt loop survival pouch
>pack
>aide memoire
t. Abu Jihad al-Australi.
I like the idea of a pocket aid, pretty clever.
>>Camo
glue
>>10c shelter
"BEAT THEM DRONES, MAN"
hi ian why don't you post a gun you own lmao
Here is a pic of my gun and I.
holy fucking waste of digits
https://shaw-concepts.com/products/reup-bandolier
Should I get one of these instead of investing in a new belt for my PTR?
lmfao no
grenade pouch?
>grenade pouch
The ones I've seen have loose top flap closure. Hoping for a suggestion that has a tighter flap.
Are you referring to flashbang pouches? I was talking about USGI grenade pouch, has velcro and snap
Must be will check, thx!
Is there an ALICE compass pouch size but in molle?
Internal vs external frame packs
Pros and cons of each?
https://wheretheroadforks.com/internal-vs-external-frame-backpacks-pros-and-cons/
I prefer external
>prefer external
Mostly ditto. Running abt 3:1 int vs ext.
Plan on walking at distance with weight? External.
For everything else, internal.
Yes I’m talking about rucks for long term sustainment, for multi day hikes, which unfortunately I can’t do for more than 2 days due to work so I can only go the weekend, but when I got time I’d like to go for a week or something
For example I have a mystery ranch 6500 old gen which has internal frame, while the new one has external, I wonder how different they are in terms of comfort in holding weight
The pack in question
Too good?
Buy a gun gay
Internal is typically more "comfortable" because they typically put the load closer to your body. A good hiking/mountaineering pack can do a hell of a lot with just an internal frame and a good hip pad.
If that 6500 works well for you, keep using it. External starts to be more important when you are walking extreme distances, especially with major elevation change (proper load lifters are vital for this), or if you are carrying a shit ton like a grunt with an Alice/Filbe with a literal 150lb load.
By too good the anon probably means an osprey will take care of 99% of peoples needs, which is objectively true.
Based beartooth haver
How is it?
I want one too even if I don’t need it just because it’s a cool pack
It's actually a Marshall but from that angle yeah it looks like a Beartooth.
It was okay, essentially the hunting/skeletonized version of the 6500. I ended up selling it because it wasn't what I wanted/needed. I've got a Pintler now and I'm not even sure I'm gonna keep it either, just not huge on the Guidelight MT frame for my uses.
I can get them for cheap as fuck since I've got an industry discount. Think the Pintler ran me like $250 and the Marshall was around $370.
So the civ line has some packs that are the same as the mil line but they’re made of lighter materials right?
How’s the pintler?
I’m looking for a ruck, bc the 6500 is huge, I’m thinking about the SATL, and the Komodo as an assault pack
Spec wise it all says 500d. The GLMT frame is carbon fiber rods whereas the NICE frame has flat stays and more of them.
The Pintler is a fine bag. I like the internal organization. The frame with overload feature is a great and practical idea I just don't need the capability and frankly the frame FEELs kind of cheap, though I know guys who've hauled out 100lbs of meat on hunts with it.
Considering giving it to my girlfriend as an emergency/disaster bag. She's into it but I'm not sure it's a good fit for her either.
Thanks, I’m looking at used bags but maybe it’s better to wait and save, I got the 6500 for 450 with 2 zippers bags so I think i got a decent deal, for the SATL I’m undecided bc the old gen has the thin hip belt which seems bad to haul weight, but I’ve seen there’s hip belt upgrades available that I could mount on it, new it’s 650, and the Komodo is 700, I’m mean long term it’s a one time buy I could afford but it stings
Yeah I get you. I've been buying Malice packs locally for cheap and selling them online to boomers near MSRP since there's a shortage. Made a decent chunk of change already and I'm thinking about picking up a Crossfire DG16 but I keep thinking "$600 for a pack is a LOT" when in reality it's not, especially if it's the last pack I buy.
Where do you buy them? In person used?
Do you sell on eBay or some other site?
I buy on eBay/telegram/Vinted and then I sell on said sites, I buy under market price and then sell for a profit, for now I never lost money on a trade, last month I sold 600 euros worth of stuff, ofc not all was profit, but it’s still nice, on average I make 30 to 50% profit
Local avenues like FB marketplace, OfferUp, etc. Best deals are people moving, pissed off wives, or widows and those types don't post on tactical forums. Really depends on your local area though, I'm in a huge city.
I just picked up a mint full set up TT Malice for $300 because the guy "wasn't hiking any more", and it also came with a $70 TT rain cover he didn't even mention. Immediately listed the pack w/ frame and got $675 within 4 hours, then offered to add the rain cover for $50 which he jumped on.
Sadly I just started a new job so I won't have time to browse any more. Then again I'm making good money now so I shouldn't complain.
That’s cool, but I find it hard to get deals in person like the ones you mentioned (wife etc), how do you manage to get those? I literally do not know a single person that goes hiking, and the only one that ever go in the mountains do 1 day walks at most, let alone knowing anyone that owns gear
I just browse those and other non-standard marketplaces. Use both specific and super general search terms, but in the end it's a waiting game, maybe 1-2 possible hits a month.
Other than that just don't be a sperg I guess? I've got several years of sales, customer service, and even case management experience so talking to people is easy.
I want some plastic cases to store my gear at home, I can use random plastic boxes I got as I already do but I want some cool stuff.
Im looking for pelican type cases, but not the original because they’re too expensive and I don’t need them, it’s just to give the idea
Surplus hardigg?
They're fine, any decent brand at the high end price range, especially US made like high end MR, Kuiu, HPG, Kifaru, Exo, Stone Glacier, Etc.. will all be good to go, just depends on your body shape and comfort preference.
Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand?
I don’t have the possibility of trying out a thousand packs so I can’t really compare them, but I tried some due to buying and selling and the mystery ranch ones are the most comfortable ones, and also have the best designs in terms of zippers and pockets disposition and shape, load bearing structure, and are are also indestructible.
>Is mystery ranch the best backpack brand
For military purposes yeah, so much so they're probably too good for normal people to bother using. But if you already have one keep it and enjoy.
No it's Hill People Gear
What are some good recs for gloves? I have a couple pairs of Mechanix high dexterity gloves and I'm thinking of copping something from Helikon.
>outdoor research check the model ironsight
What is a good two piece belt that has molle all the way around, including the front? I have a Ronin belt that is well made except that from 12 to 2:30 there is no webbing, just seems like wasted real estate. I did notice the belt is expanded to pretty much its maximum length, if I got a larger size would this help offset the issue?
Do they sell battle belts that are already set up with pouches? I'm just looking for a one and done solution
There's lube stuck to the back of the packaging
anyone order from tacticaltailor? wondering if my fightlight dump pouch is gonna come with straps or not
It will come with 2 plastic malice clips.
thanks anon
How do people use belt mounts for mag pouches? I have esstac pouches on a blue alpha belt and they slide around a bit. Would it be better to attach it to the molle directly?
Blue Alpha Battle Belt Lite arrived the other day. The inner belt is a pretty typical EDC style belt made of webbing. There's no buckle. There's a polymer loop and you cinch it down on itself via velcro. Pretty comfy and relatively easy to adjust. It's lined with loop obviously, but wearing it around the house for the past couple days, this hasn't bothered me. No probem appendix carrying my G19.
The outer belt s shockingly lightweight and comfortable. It weighs almost nothing. The tegris core makes the belt very rigid vertically. Can't wait to spend some time with it at the range. The laser cut MOLLE is slick, but I mount most of my stuff with velcro one-wrap strips.
Use velcro one-wrap strips that wrap around the outer belt. Alternatively, use WTFix straps. Belt loops are sloppy as shit and MALICE clips are bulky shit. Check out this blog post from Esstac to learn more:
>https://esstac.com/blog/micro-pals-webbing-belts-and-attachments-/
Got it, thanks
>I'm just really biased against MALICE clips. Bulky little fuckers
fair enough
Actually, now that I think about it, don't use WTFix straps. I've used them on chest rigs and plate carriers with proper 1" MOLLE and they're great for that, but they get fucky on 1/2" MOLLE slots on belts. Either use one-wrap or the straps that the pouches came with. If your pouches don't have sewn-in straps, use one-wrap.
I'm just really biased against MALICE clips. Bulky little fuckers.
Do not use magazine pouches on your belt if you expect to crouch for any reason.
I don't see how that would cause an issue unless you are obese
lose some weight and/or wear your kit more
What's the drones/comms meta?
Mavic 3t with the remote ID shit disabled.
FPV quad so you can juicy flick across the wasteland and perch on a bros grape before exploding.
General thoughts on helikon tex gear? Particularly rifle slings/ packs/ chest rigs?
Posting the balkanized US soon to die in a trench setup, please tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Do you guys like big knives? I want to but I only ever carry a buck knife or other pocket clip folders.
if you dm wellsmade they'll probably make you a legit stock adapter thing for your sling in cherry blossom instead of nig rigging it
>please tell me what I'm doing wrong
Multicam black, you will be shot on sight for homosexuality
I was going to look for pictures of high speed operators wearing multicam black and all I got was airsoft. It's only the medical stuff at least though, I'm going to bullshit and say the multicam black was a deliberate choice to highlight medical gear instead of admitting that I like multicam black.
How do you like that dick flap? It’s the one from skd tactical, right?
I actually like it a lot, with the lv119 it stops just above my ballsack but covers lower abdomen like a bigger 3A dangler. If you want groin protection I'd suggest it. I don't typically keep it on the PC but if something crazy happens where flak or pistol/shotgun protection (imagine being gutshot by 12ga) becomes a priority it is nice to have. I'll pick up soft side panels and a collar eventually to have more flak protection on tap.
what knife?
FOX Arditi
Using a full length AR with a red dot, for starters
Also, pick a camo, dude, it kinda defeats the purpose if you’ve just got big rectangular blocks of different patterns all over your body
>Using a full length AR with a red dot
What's the issue? There's a 3x magnifier and a red dot is easier to use under stress than irons.
>20" ar15 ballistically superior to 16"
>red dot superior to irons
>flip up 3x magnifier for PID and reaching out
Red dot with mag is perfectly fine and a 20" ar15 is by far better than a 16" for everything but cqb larp.
Whats a better chest rig? A P83/P84 or the Recce rig?
Personally i think the molle columns on the recce rig are damn near useless
Ehh, enough for a thin/tall IFAK or radio pouch.
Take a P83 and remove the side GP pouches and sew in 3x4 molle on each side.
>mutilate a perfectly good chest rig
maybe don't destroy history you fucking moron
>it belongs in a museum!!!
It's kit
>t's kit
Until there is no og left. Try finding an unmolested Suzuki Samurai. They've all been "fixed" by Bubba.
you sound super fun to hang around
They're still making them, they aren't historically significant no matter how much scalpers are charging on ebay for them. Maybe if he specifically cut up a set of Niemoller webbing or a 32bat vest you might have a point, but a dime a dozen p83 rig should be modified as the user sees fit.
recce is thoroughly underwhelming, the straps feel good but other than that its like eh
yeah they really should have done 3 instead of 2
R SERIES WHEN?!
Can anyone explain to me what purpose a blowout ifak serves versus just a normal velcroed utility pouch that can fold out?
Side note, thank you to the anons from last thread, decided to pull the trigger on a 6094 (400 US, decent deal even with importing). Gonna post my complete kit once it arrives. Any suggestions for the kangaroo pouch? I want to run a triple AR shingle in it.
Picrel was the 1st and dumbest gear setup I ever tried running in. That's an IBA. Feel free to laugh, I was dumb and the surp store had what it had
cannot recommend the airlite enough.
>watching an ISIS video
>ISIS looting ghanimah from Iraqi apostate army dogs
>helmet that didn't save him
This is the future of all GQ gays.
link?
https://archive.org/details/2016-gods-promise
25:01
Thoughts on Defence Mechanisms helmet havelock? Don't think it's flame retardant but looks like it could keep rain and sun off your neck. Makes me wonder if a lightweight shrapnel havelock could provide high cut helmets comparable shrapnel protection to a full cut helmet.
I own one and have used it in freezing rain and hot summer temps in AZ. I think it should be more commonly used than it is.
How does it work with ear pro? In between the muffs and your ears?
How to not be retarded fomo sperg on gear? It's like gun accessory shopping but somehow worse.
Tell yourself that you don't need any of this stuff realistically, it's a hobby for manchildren who have rich inner fantasies about playing soldier in the woods. I know I'm chasing a ghost of when my life was "right" when I was paid by the government to play soldier in the woods.
I'll never use any of this stuff beyond trying to feel like I'm not so mediocre and I'll get to feel relevant by playing dress up and watching videos in my head of how I could be in Ukraine fighting instead of raising a family and barely keeping it moving.
Or you could just budget accordingly for a luxury expense and have some patience. This stuff isn't going anywhere and if it is something newer and nicer will replace it.
Did the anon ever post a list for this setup?
Thats very sexy! What is the name of the rig?
No clue, that's why I asked
yeah, hey, it's me, brustin
I once vbought one of those cheap digital pvs 14 style night vision monoculars and a few of these helmets to go wiuth it. anyone care to tell me what the velcro is for? if anything, I want whatever is supposed to go there to go there so I can like go caving in the helmet without ruining the exposed velcr0
>a few of these helmets
>a few
u wot
anyway, they are for patches or lights.
Whats the name for those shin wraps i saw in tarkob and what are their purpose
USEC Commando Lower
I am as much of a gear queer as the next guy, buy why does this guy and all of you always have a Rite in the Rain? What are you writing down in combat or during SHTF?
Briefing notes, when the last time I took malaria meds/Tylenol/antibiotics etc, radio frequencies, meeting points Etta. Stuff you’re likely to forget when running on little to no sleep but would be good to remember.
Makes sense, thanks
>stuff you will be tortured about for details upon capture
>surrendering
salute reports, sketching firing positions and range markings, general notetaking, drawing booba
What's the best RealTree or Mossy Oak pattern for Florida, particularly the Gulf Coast area?
Has anyone ever ran abdomen armor? Specifically hard armor, like a 6x8 plate? Theres always talk about side plates, what size to get, should one even bother, should they just get soft armor instead.. but no discussion on protecting the abdomen which is a much likely place to be shot. Much of gear thought process is based off of what works for the military, which makes sense to a degree, but when you are removed from their logistical network, some of the logic falls apart.
For example, if you are shot in the gut, you are FUCKED if you do not have access to a trauma center. Within the military, they can just stop the bleed and stabilize before getting them to a surgeon, but for us, that wouldnt always be an option. I think that one should assume that if society breaks down, any major surgery is a no go, and therefore getting shot in the abdomen is just as bad as being shot in the torso, perhaps even worse because of the infection issues. Wouldnt it make sense to cover the abdomen as well? How bad could a dangle pouch really be? Wouldnt the flexibility issues be nil since it can flex between the main plate and lower plate? I know that if I was shooting at someone who looked like they were well equipped, I would be aiming for their abdomen (or head if they were close range) not their center of mass, because I know damn well they probably are wearing plates. A center of mass shot wont kill them, it wont even take them out of the fight. An abdomen shot wouldnt kill them outright either, but it definitely would start the clock and likely immobilize them.
Am i onto something here or am I just being autistic? How is this not a more common thing?
Call me crazy but I like having wrap around IIIA panels for all those places I don’t want to get shot. Not much additional weight on top of ceramic plates. i don’t have a dangle groin protector but my armor covered near the belt line. Also I have my old school Vel Tye carrier so I’m not in with the hip micro scalable rigs.
>or am I just being autistic?
oh buddy
Listen, pal. If SHTF and there's little to no access to proper medical attention, you are absolutely FUCKED if you don't have a full body armor loadout.
Think about it. Even if you aren't lonewolf'ing it and have a team of guys, if you were to get shot in the thigh by someone with a rifle, that's actually a grievous wound even if the round doesn't hit your femoral artery. You're going to be useless and a burden even if your guys put themselves in danger to drag you to safety. If the hospitals are abandoned, your guys are going to weigh the pros and cons and probably leave your ass there to be executed by the enemy (if you're lucky and they don't torture you instead).
The only realistic option for optimal safety, if you expect to engage hostile forces at any time, is a full body ballistic suit of armor. Don't trick yourself into thinking you'll be able to get away with anything less.
Imagine being such a huge gay that you typed all of that. I hope you do get gutshot so you have time to think about how dumb and gay you are.
>hospitals are abandoned
Never gonna happen.
Have you ever worked in a hospital? Are you aware of their critical staffing issues? When they have limited supplies and even more limited manpower, do you think Karen, the white coat wearing administrator who sits on her ass all day browsing facebook and calling team huddles to talk about everyones feelings, is going to step in and patch you up? Hospitals are pretty fucked as it is already, they are just barely hanging on and manpower is stretched to the maximum. Throw in a prolonged natural disaster or civil unrest throughout the country (historically these have been localized, not national) - you should consider hospitals to be something you cannot rely on being there.
There are hospitals in Haiti and Myanmar. I’m sure they’re understaffed and under supplied, and fewer and further between than hospitals in stable first world countries. But they exist, and people with gunshot wounds get taken to them.
And much of that is thanks to a functional society outside of theirs. Take that away and what happens?
>Haiti
>functional society
>haiti
>functional society OUTSIDE of theirs
Short of a full scale nuclear exchange, there will be no case where there is no industrial countries period.
I didnt say they would cease to exist, I am merely asserting that many structures we take for granted will be seriously degraded in capability, especially those that are already stretched to their maximum under normal conditions. Typically in non normal conditions (ie; natural disaster) the overload on the system is softened by resources coming in from areas that were not affected. If there is a scenario where everyone is effected, then it is likely that systems, such as our hospitals, will be put in a situation where they have to aggressively triage and tell some people “sorry, we cant save you”. These will be the people with the most critical, resource intensive care needed. For example, someone shot through the gut that needs emergency surgery and assloads of antibiotics that cannot be replenished anytime soon.
Back to my original point, what I am saying is, is that nobody seems to be concerned about protecting the abdomen when that is a center of mass target that has extremely dire consequences of being hit at even under the best conditions. I think it makes sense to have a 6x8 dangle plate to offer protection at the slight cost of comfort and weight.
>Have you ever worked in a hospital?
I currently work in a hospital.
>SHTF
>full body suit
>"if i get shot i will die"
>mfw you expect anything like that to protect you
>mfw you expect 60lbs of shit covering your body to save you in any way
i aint gonna sugercoat it pal, if you wanna talk about burden wearing that is like wearing a blinking a bright neon sign that says "shoot me i cant fight back"
He was mocking my earlier post about abdomen protection, because apparently in his retarded brain thats on the same level as the dumb post he made.
just wear plates properly retard
Plates dont cover your abdomen if you are wearing them properly, thats literally my point, retard.
What do you guys think of chest rig systems that incorporate cummerbunds?
Pic related is an example of the chest rig system made by Dynamic Principles. Basically, you buy a placard and cummerbund that uses hook and loop attachment at the ends (or at least the rear portions) to connect to the placard. Then you buy their chest rig back panel and connecting shoulder straps. The shoulder straps then connect to the placard via standard buckles. The back of the cummerbund halves then connect from the placard to a sandwich of hook and loop on the back of the chest rig backer, similar to how you'd connect a cummerbund to a rear plate bag. You can attach the forward ends of the cummerbund halves directly to your placard if you have First Spear Tubes or whatever.
It's similar in many ways to Defense Mechanisms' Load Carrying Platform (LCP). Might be too much for people who just want to carry a few mags, radio and a bag of trail mix, but both the DP and DM systems use laser cut laminate construction, so they're extremely lightweight actually, and can be scaled up or down relatively easily.
There are simpler options like the T Rex Arms Ready Rig, but that thing isn't even worth considering when Brave Castle has their very similar chest rig being OEM'ed by First Spear.
Anyway, I only really bring this up because elastic cummerbunds really do eliminate all the slop you tend to get with most X and H harness based chest rigs if you really get it nice and tight to your body, but the elastic still lets you breathe and move easily.
In before
>just buy a Crye AirLite chest rig
Man thats dumb as hell, and I've seen a lotta dumbass shit in my day. Wow that really takes the cake for retard shit. How much are people paying for that garbage?
Back panel is $35 and the shoulder straps are $30. The back panel is made to work optimally with their cummerbunds, but you could use whatever velcro-connection cummerbund you have on hand with little issue. You'd have some loop sticking out of the back panel facing toward your body. You could just cut it down to a proper fit for the back panel.
I think it's pretty nifty.
But it's a literal cope rig. "oh we made a rig so micro you can only have 2 mags on it so to cope we added a cummerbund to add a few more mags back"
My brother in Christ you could just have a normal rig from the get go and avoid all these problems
Goofy ass motherfuckers "I want a plate carrier but without having to actually carry plates because god forbid I go to the gym"
The pic is just an example configuration from their IG. They have several different inserts for their placard. And as I said, you can scale up if needed. They sell a wider placard as well as placards that let you have 2 rows of mags or whatever if you want.
Also, I don't know why I should even need to tell you this, but not every situation calls for plates. If you really needed plates, you could literally take the placard and cummerbund off the chest rig and slap it on your plate bags and be ready to go with the same loadout very quickly.
>god forbid I go to the gym
I mean, do you say this shit to all the guys running those Spiritus Micro Fight rigs with an H harness?
at that point you might as well just use a plate carrier and take the plates in and out as you see fit, which would be quicker than
>take the placard and cummerbund off the chest rig and slap it on your plate bags and be ready to go with the same loadout very quickly
...which is a thing people do in the real world anyways
Have you ever taken plates out of a carrier and then ran around with your usual load? You end up with the same problem I mentioned most chest rig harnesses exhibit: slop. Plate bags are meant to have plates in them to sit properly against your body.
Christ, if that was a viable real world solution, chest rigs wouldn't even be a thing. Everyone who wanted a chest rig would just be buying plate bags and leaving them empty. The reason they don't do that is because it sucks worse than most H harness systems.
Christ you're fucking stupid. I feel like I'm being trolled. There's no way you're this goddamned stupid.
just get a pc at that point
>OH MY GOD LOOK AT THAT HARNESS WHO'S PAYING FOR THIS SHIT JUST HIT THE GYM AND GET A PLATE CARRIER
What fanny pack is that? I'm looking for a small abdomen pouch like the Onward research simp pouch, but theyre out of multicam.
Ferro Concepts Mini Dangler.
Thank you!
What are the best non-crye combat pants
I want these
Army surplus combat pants
Does anyone make a 6x8 plate that is curved along the lateral axis rather than the longitudinal axis? Or in other words, the opposite way that basically all sideplates are curved?
Lads, where can I get a solid mid ride holster setup for a 92 compact with a tlr1? Extra retention would be nice too but it's not a deal breaker at this point
Does anyone know how to order the prescription inserts for 31As?
re spawn and pick good eyes perk
OIF loadout 4 the apocalypse
Get a haircut hippy
Rude 🙁
decent kit but touch grass and get some outside pics. also yeah get a haircut hippie
Picked up one of these to develop my sewing skills. Does anyone have any suggested modifications besides replacing the small pouches with molle and replacing the toggle closures with buttons & bungie cord?
Dunking it in disinfectant to rid it of the stinking mildew permeating inside of it.
Oh yeah for sure, it's getting washed.
I've been thinking of modding my type-56 as well. Maybe a rear velcro panel for the option of running a dangler pouch. Also drainage holes at the bottom of the mag pouches, and maybe some loops along the shoulder strap so you have something run audio cables through.
This is the extra shit I'm forgetting, thanks anon
Regarding the rear velcro panel, I've read that the combined thickness of the mag pouches and the main canvas body of the chest rig will be too thick to run through a conventional sewing machine without disassembling the mag pouches. I wonder if it would expedient to instead epoxy the velcro to the back of the rig, and then additionally hand stitch the velcro to the chest rig along the four vertical columns that bind the mag pouches to the chestrig
Get a sail-rite sewing awl. For one project it'll be annoying but fine.
What’s a good molle dangler pouch? Trying to get one for my P84
rate my gear
Imagine spending your money to larp as some low teir government worker who spent 20 years and $6.8 trillion dollars losing a war to a few goat fuckers lmao
Add a canteen to complement the hydration bladder. And a fixed blade knife for cutting things.
Is that an apu blackbeard flag?
not enough mags
>no water
ngmi
Looking for a new backpack for day hikes. About 20-25L size, and has to have a spot for a reservoir. Any suggestions on brands to look at that aren't Osprey/Kelty/etc? Here is a photo of a Helikon Tex one that looks about what I want. bonus points if it is woodland camo.
Also want to know this but packs that are similar to crye’s AVS1000 where you can swing it sideways from the back of your PC without detaching the whole thing. But also can be used as a standalone pack.
Hill People Gear has some very good options for day packs like that.
are they ever back in stock though?
I don't know but I live in the same town so I'm obligated to shill for them. I do like my Ute a lot too. In any case, yeah they restock fairly frequently, normally like 2-3 weeks.
I'll keep an eye out anon thanks.
LBT, they constantly do 50% off sales and have good packs
I'll sign up for their email list too anon thanks. Half off sales I could afford one of theirs after looking at the prices.
Direct Action Dragon Egg MK II
FYI Direct Action is not NIR compliant, mine glows badly under NVGs.
You didn't even read the stated product information... "PenCott™, Kryptek™ and Multicam® camouflages are NIR treated"
I feel like you own neither a direct action bag or nods
I have a mystery ranch in and out, 22l and works fine, milspec monkey has the adapt pack and I want to check that out eventually
i need organizer pouches for the following:
{in brackets is what im currently eyeing}
EDC
-ifak and first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
RUCK
-first aid kit {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-hygiene {helikon tex mini first aid pouch}
-general pouch for small stuff to not go everywhere {magpul daka with clear window}
-dry bag for socks {osprey dry bag}
-dry bag for food {osprey dry bag}
-mesh bag for water filter and dirty water bags
-mesh bag for wet clothes to hang dry
-map case {helikon tex map case}
-ruck liner{osprey dry bag pack liner}
Imagine if the happening truly happened and you're walking around with 30k worth of gear and equipment.
You would be a walking piñata of fancy wartime goodies asking to get ganged up on by people armed with Brazilian makeshift scrapguns
>implying brazillian piñata pirates will have NVGs
>implying i would be doing anything except hunkering down during daylight hours for this exact reason
>hunkering down during daylight hours
thats the problem, you're gonna need to sleep eventually and you'll be mostly helpless from an ambush at that time especially if your position is spotted by others who were following you interested in those thermals you brought with you.
bring no more than what's necessary and nothing too flamboyant regardless of how tacticool it make you look, anything overly fancy or expensive will just put a bounty on you.
Idiot larp fuck there will not be bandits roaming around places bounty posters on trees for other peoples gear. On what planet would someone see a heavily armed group of people and think “yes, let me risk being shot to fucking death by messing with these dudes” rather than choosing to go after one of the thousands of other households that are not well armed? Life isnt a video game, you dont respawn, you dont intentionally go after other people knowing they are armed to the teeth and will probably kill you. That is the absolute last people you would want to fuck with.
my point is the more decked out you are on expensive looking things the more "richer" you look, so the more criminals and armed gangs will want your "riches".
go out on some 3rd world country dressed in some suit or business wear (can be cheap synthetics as long as it looks valuable) and see how long it takes before criminals try and rob you, the same will apply when a country is on a crisis and things have delved into a cesspool.
I'm not saying that having shit like thermals or night vision is retarded, just keep these things stored somewhere safe and quickly accessible for when you need them. keep things simple
the trick to surviving is to not draw too much attention to yourself, there WILL be people who are more than willing to risk their lives just to take your shit and use it for their own malicious intents.
and besides, i dont think "people of african american decent" care wether or not you look like a death squad as long as they can sell your shit and organs to buy more crack.
>the trick to surviving is to not draw too much attention to yourself
Again, which is why you do all required movement at night and hunker down during the day. What exactly do you picture going on? Fully geared people just casually walking their dog as the world burns without a care in the world, as if they have a superhero cape on and nobody can touch them? Roaming gangs of peaceful but fiery protesters going around unchallenged and not being killed on sight? Youre trying to prove a point but the scenario you are laying out is ridiculous and absurd. Nobody is going to intentionally pick a fight with the most dangerous people they can find. That would be suicide.
>my point is the more decked out you are on expensive looking things the more "richer" you look, so the more criminals and armed gangs will want your "riches".
or the better decked out you look, being around other similar people, makes you look like you know what you're doing and therefore not an easy mark
Motherfucker stop treating real life like a fucking loot pinata a la Dayz you will just get murdered faster than you could blink with that mentality
Real life isn't Tarkov or Rust moron, no one is like wandering around solo in some hostile world. No happening has ever been like that.
you better have one hell of a gang then, because i'm coming for those fancy goggles and kevlar laced tactical fingerless gloves of yours once society crumbles (i think they look cool)
But what happens when there's a server wipe???
>god does a server wipe
>we all return to the stone age
>tfw everything you ordered over the last month comes in on the same day
can i use kifaru pullout pouches as dry bags i fi wax them?
why not just use usgi wet weather bags? similar price, more volume, guaranteed to survive a dunking in the lake, which a waxed pouch wont because of the zipper
true
anyway im in europe so i cant find the usgi bags nor the kifaru bags unless i pay 50 euros for shipping, but i cant find any other bag of the same type, which is strange since its just a cordura bag
can you get sea to summit or osprey dry bags?
Already got 2 osprey dry bags, but the kifaru pullouts were for organizing hygien kit, first aid kit, and random items like cord, lighters, etc, and the big pullout for food, while my current dry bags I use for socks and the other one for food but it’s too small
Plus I’m a consoomer and like coyote brown pouches instead of blue ones
But it seems very difficult to get kifaru stuff in Europe, there’s no seller that has them
I've never put hygiene kit or ifak in a dry bag, or food tbh
usually just sleep system and clothes and spare ammo/radio batteries
but I guess some of that is not a concern for a euro
i dont put that stuff in a dry bag either, the dry bag is for socks and clothes
and if you want you can bring guns inna woods, just depends if youre willing to follow laws or not, but at least on multi day hikes it unlikely youll ever make contact with the police
is that a sleep system in the lower left hand corner of the OP pic? what's in it?
what is a good optic for 308 16"
what's the meta on helmets right now?
If you are poor then a surplus ACH or ECH. If you are not Team Wendy, Ops Core etc
anything wrong with pasgt?
weight and not able to mount nods and ear pro without some handiwork? That said unless you are expecting artillery frag and shrapnel a helmet's primary purposes are:
A) preventing falling debris or head bumps from fucking you up (statistically the biggest threat to your head)
B) providing a mounting platform for nods and earpro
The actual bullet resistance is questionable in terms of frequency and survival. IE it happens but it's rare to get a head shot where the armour of the helmet (not just deflection and luck) directly leads to survival.
pasgt has the cut to fit peltors under, at least it looks like it. why would i spend $300 on a helmet that does the same thing as a $175 helmet, aside from adding a mount point for $10k nods
The BK-ACH-HC
Hey queers. I’m about to order some surplus pants and need a belt to go along with it. I just need something cheap that won’t fall apart that I can maybe slap some stuff on. I’m going to save up for a nicer belt when I get a handgun, (I have two rifles so I’m not noguns) but for now I was thinking about getting this.
>pic related.
Do I need to get an inner belt to run through my loops and then attach this to the outside? Are there better options? I pretty much just want to hold my pants up and keep an extra rifle mag or med on it.
that's got loop (soft velcro) on the inside, so it won't fuck up your pants. I use Esstac belt loops for mag pouches, but some guys have broken them.
Do not pay $175 for a PASGT, it has the garbage suspension system. You can get an ACH for close to that or cheaper. Check ebay often.
$175 for a PASGT is highway robbery.
They're worth about $50.
You can get an E.German m1956 for $80, and those are absolutely better helmets than the PASGT, and they have more historical value.
Anyone know how to replace the buckle on an ALICE LC2 belt? the rectangular metal bar for holding down the fastener makes it impossible to remove; the button to hold down excess belt blocks the rectangular bar in turn. I don't want to cut it off either if I don't have to but the buckle got fucked.
Buy another belt they're $15
Just DIYing cus it's fun
Are orange tarps standard french issue? You'd think they'd be white.pn4yd
I thought this was a picture of a dead wagner group guy in Africa. I remember seeing it in like 2019 (maybe).
>wagner group
lol, no
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulo_Marer_hostage_rescue_attempt
Should I sell my soft armor given to me by my dad for a plate carrier. His idea was for both me and my wife to have something...
It seems useless except as a last ditch.
I can just wait a couple months a buy a carrier and plates... not sure I even want this around the house
Honestly if you're just a regular everyday average Joe there's an argument in favor of concealable soft armor over overt carriers.
Even if you're an infantryman there's an argument in favor of concealable soft armor over overt carriers. Frag causes 80-90% of all combat casualties, and soft armor offers more coverage & more protection against fragments and shrapnel.
Unless you're running high-end plates in a good carrier that's properly configured, you're probably better off with the soft armor.
when I was in the sandbox the main threat was explosives so theoretically we should have all worn every piece of the iotv soft armor, but we all stripped them down to just plates lol
This is laziness
bro it gets really fuckin hot over there at a certain point you gotta pick what fucks you up, shrapnel or heat exhaustion
Besides soft cummerbund armor and groin/throat soft armor would you add anything to a traditional minimal plate carrier to scale up for frag protection?
>regular everyday average Joe
Well I have been but now I want to train in kit and a plate carrier feels and looks awkward over the soft plate.... maybe its all in my head.
But I dont like the idea of any rifle round smoking straight through these
It looks like there's a top open plate pocket if you wanted to throw some plates in. I'd keep the vest you have and buy plates and a good chest rig to get what you want affordably.
Well I love my chest rig.
I find the soft armor really comfy
So I guess I'm g2g. Need to train.
I just wish the armor had mole or something to attach stuff and not be completely intendent from carrier
>I just wish the armor had mole or something to attach stuff and not be completely intendent from carrier
You know I thought the same thing for a while but after building up a dedicated PC I kind of wish I just went for slick carrier+chest rig.
Here's an scenario for you
>Hiking with combat load
>armor is heavy as hell
>not expecting contact but want access to gear
>place slick armor carrier inna ruck
>hike with chest rig and ruck
>finish recce shit
>want to prepare for ambush
>don slick armor and wear chest rig over armor
Separating your combat load from your armor has some pretty great benefits and I'd only really prefer a dedicated plate carrier if I needed to don and doff my combat load quickly ala QRF.
Could I use my SPC as a slick carrier or is it too bulky?
Just strip it down and manage snag points with tape. As long as it carries armor and you can comfortably wear a rig over it you get what you want.
First spear slick carrier is good and cheap
I had sort of a similar idea. I've got a slickster I can run a basic load on (3 to 5 mags, ifak, water, radio), a larger lbv88+ALICE rig, and a 6094. I can go anything from
>no armor full kit (long hike/innawoods)
>lighter armor and kit setup (QRF)
>Armour ran slick with lbe for sustainment (innawoods with armour)
>Full battle rattle 6094 with 10+ mags, sustainment, ifak, and all the armour I want, the works. (Long drawn out fight)
Way I see it that covers everything from fucking around in the brush to prolonged defense of a position (think peaceful fiery riot at your doorstep)
x2 if it cant stop basic 556 im not sure its worth the effort everyone and their mama has a ar 15 or a draco
I need a good ruck between my assault pack and by giga ruck, what’s a good option?
I’m finding some mystery ranch SATL going from 260 to 350 euros and they seem good