Full inventory sent by Germany to Ukraine.

Full inventory sent by Germany to Ukraine.

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
>The total value of individual licenses issued by the Federal Government for the export of military goods in the period from January 1, 2022 to September 5, 2022 amounts to 733.623.190 EUR.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How much money did Germany send Russia over the same period?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How much gas did Russia provide German arms manufactures?

      • 3 weeks ago
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    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I find what is being sent more interesting than politics. It's not like the gas money was gifted to Russia for nothing in return.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      About $66,000,000,000. Not joking, that's their share (23.7%) of the billion-dollar-a-day Russian energy export market, multiply by 3/4 of 365 since it's for three quarters of the year, then round off because why not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How much gas did Russia provide German arms manufactures?

        Considering this gas has gone through the Nordstream 1 pipeline, Ukraine also got a fair amount of money from it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nothing,gas was bought much of the bought gas was then bought from Germany y the same eastern countries that complain about it.

      Didn't the useless German leader BLOCK the weapons exports?!

      No, actually take 20 seconds to look up what was sent.

      About $66,000,000,000. Not joking, that's their share (23.7%) of the billion-dollar-a-day Russian energy export market, multiply by 3/4 of 365 since it's for three quarters of the year, then round off because why not.

      Bullshit number.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Somewhere between 60 and 70 billions. It was 168 billions last week since day one of the war for the EU as a whole. Germany being the biggest consummer with almost half (47%) of the gas imports going for them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      About half the russian cost to slaughter these nazi hohols.

      Thanks, eurocucks!

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eh, I've seen better. Worthless kraut.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    288.000 combat helmets

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >print(round(288.000))
      holy fuck, is that even enough for a single battalion?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        European numbers. The dot is just a spacer to make it more readable. It's just 280000 when written american-style.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We use commas 280,000

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >280,000
            that would be 280 pcs, not 280000 pcs

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Commas are the equivalent of dots for europeans in regard to the decimal separator
            A good separator is the apostrophe or a simple space 280 000 and 280'000

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          In Anglo numbers we use a comma for digit grouping and a decimal to indicate decimals. EG 280,000.573 or whatever. What do you use for decimals since you're using the decimal for digit grouping?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You fucking idiot you use a comma. Clearly you never dealt in large sums of money.
          >American style yeeha
          Yeh no its British, you got it from them like everything else.

          Do you even educate in the USA?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Quite a lot of explosives. Mines and shit. Germans know something?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ids habbening :DDD

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've said it before, some fuck on this website asked the monkey paw "I want to fight in WWII, but for the axis this time."

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Didn't the useless German leader BLOCK the weapons exports?!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes.
      and pooland reparations. kek

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good, fuck Poland. They're only asking for reparations to distract from internal politics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not in his power to block weapon exports. The responsibility for that is in the ministry for economy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine having this naive a view of the world.

        Politics is a team sport.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell that to the CDU allowing massive weapon exports to Egypt when the GroKo was ending.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
    Delivered military support to Ukraine:

    (Changes compared to the previous week in bold)

    counter battery radar system COBRA*
    20 self-propelled anti-aircraft guns GEPARD* (before: 15)
    4.000 rounds practice ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
    54 M113 armoured personnel carriers (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)*
    53.000 rounds ammunitions for self-propelled anti-aircraft guns
    20 laser target designators*
    403.000 pre-packaged military Meals Ready
    3.000 anti-tank weapons Panzerfaust 3 with 900 firing devices
    14.900 anti-tank mines
    500 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STINGER
    2.700 Man Portable Air Defense Systems STRELA
    10 self-propelled howitzers Panzerhaubitze 2000 including adaption, training and spare parts (joint project with the Netherlands)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      21,8 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
      50 bunker buster missiles
      100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
      100.000 hand grenades
      5.300 explosive charges
      100.000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
      350.000 detonators
      10.500 projectiles 155mm
      10 anti-drone guns
      14 anti-drone sensors and jammers
      100 auto-injector devices
      28.000 combat helmets
      15 palettes military clothing
      280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
      100 tents
      12 generators
      6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
      125 binoculars
      1.200 hospital beds
      18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
      protective clothing, surgical masks
      10.000 sleeping bags
      600 safety glasses
      1 radio frequency system
      3.000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
      1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)
      353 night vision googles
      4 electronic anti-drone devices
      165 field glasses
      medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
      38 laser range finders
      Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries) *
      10 tons AdBlue*
      500 medical gauzes
      MiG-29 spare parts*
      30 protected vehicles*
      80 pick-up trucks*
      7.944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador
      3 multiple rocket launchers MARS with ammunition
      6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
      10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
      3 armoured recovery vehicles*
      7 radio jammers*
      8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
      4 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
      8 electronic anti-drone devices*
      1 high frequency unit with equipment
      2 fridges for medical material

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >10 tons of AdBlue

        Nothing is more German than having Tier 3/Euro 6 emissions equipment on a diesel military vehicle. Just more crap to fail. I'd hate to be getting shelled and the truck won't start because the DEF tank ran out and locked you out of starting it. There's a reason why the 6.7 common rail put in US APCs don't even have an EGR.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but there is enough ammunition there to kill the entire Russian military 20 times and have some left over. The thing I noticed was

          21,8 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
          50 bunker buster missiles
          100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
          100.000 hand grenades
          5.300 explosive charges
          100.000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
          350.000 detonators
          10.500 projectiles 155mm
          10 anti-drone guns
          14 anti-drone sensors and jammers
          100 auto-injector devices
          28.000 combat helmets
          15 palettes military clothing
          280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
          100 tents
          12 generators
          6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
          125 binoculars
          1.200 hospital beds
          18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
          protective clothing, surgical masks
          10.000 sleeping bags
          600 safety glasses
          1 radio frequency system
          3.000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
          1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)
          353 night vision googles
          4 electronic anti-drone devices
          165 field glasses
          medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
          38 laser range finders
          Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries) *
          10 tons AdBlue*
          500 medical gauzes
          MiG-29 spare parts*
          30 protected vehicles*
          80 pick-up trucks*
          7.944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador
          3 multiple rocket launchers MARS with ammunition
          6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
          10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
          3 armoured recovery vehicles*
          7 radio jammers*
          8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
          4 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
          8 electronic anti-drone devices*
          1 high frequency unit with equipment
          2 fridges for medical material

          >MiG-29 spare parts*
          because that means NATO is sending planes and parts now. There were a lot of Mig 29s in eastern Europe too, large amount of parts

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is funny. German autism.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            AFAIK many countries are working on "green" military. So y'all can kill people with less climate change.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well they did send the ancient strelas manpads with endverbleib forms and disposal instructions. And TÜV seals.

          > Thank you for using this german střela!
          Please fill out this customer satisfaction form and return Slip with date use and location
          >Reduce reuse recycle! Please be mindful of the environment.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all this tech
        >100 tents
        >10 sleeping bags
        Kek

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You cant sleep with a boner the size of a 155mm arty shell due to all that ordinance you have to put down rage.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >>10 sleeping bags
          10k sleeping bags*

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >10 sleeping bags
          The line between ironic retard and actual retard gets more blurred by the day

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >MiG-29 spare parts*
        Uh what?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Bundeswehr inherited MiG-29 from the Nationale Volksarmee. They later sold these to Poland for €1 but apparently there were some spare parts left over.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's what I'm confused about, why would they keep the spare parts instead of selling those too?
            Maybe Germany was making new parts secretly or something.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe the Poles didn't want them or were too cheap to pay for them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, the parts were 0.49€, too expensive for the Poles. After all, they paid a whole fucking euro for the plane in the first place.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                poles might've already had the facilities to produce parts, as compared to getting whole ariframes

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The fuck a palette is?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those wooden things with a lot of stuff on top you can lift with a forklift.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >t. russian conscript

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >15 palettes
        >6 palettes
        >18 palettes
        Germany has escalated this beyond the point of no return. There will be no forgiveness from the Russians.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >28k helmets
        >10 tons of Adblue
        >2 fridges
        Why are Germans like this

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's wrong with helmets, some kind of diesel juice and fridges? They gotta replace the latter ones looted by R*ssians somehow.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      21,8 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
      50 bunker buster missiles
      100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
      100.000 hand grenades
      5.300 explosive charges
      100.000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
      350.000 detonators
      10.500 projectiles 155mm
      10 anti-drone guns
      14 anti-drone sensors and jammers
      100 auto-injector devices
      28.000 combat helmets
      15 palettes military clothing
      280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
      100 tents
      12 generators
      6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
      125 binoculars
      1.200 hospital beds
      18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
      protective clothing, surgical masks
      10.000 sleeping bags
      600 safety glasses
      1 radio frequency system
      3.000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
      1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)
      353 night vision googles
      4 electronic anti-drone devices
      165 field glasses
      medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
      38 laser range finders
      Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries) *
      10 tons AdBlue*
      500 medical gauzes
      MiG-29 spare parts*
      30 protected vehicles*
      80 pick-up trucks*
      7.944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador
      3 multiple rocket launchers MARS with ammunition
      6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
      10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
      3 armoured recovery vehicles*
      7 radio jammers*
      8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
      4 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
      8 electronic anti-drone devices*
      1 high frequency unit with equipment
      2 fridges for medical material

      Winter is coming. Why i don't see any sweater or winter clothing in the list?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shouldn't they be used to their local weather by now and have a bunch of them at home?

        The real garden gnomes were the Germans we met along the way.

        >get free shit
        >call the people giving you charity garden gnomes
        Slavs are just garden gnomes without the success.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I will piss in your radiator to keep you warm during winter you cockgangling motherfucker

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not supying troops fighting Russians with Winter gear

        aw, scheise.... jetz gehts wir weider los

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      21,8 million rounds of ammunition for fire arms
      50 bunker buster missiles
      100 machine gun MG3 with 500 spare barrels and breechblocks
      100.000 hand grenades
      5.300 explosive charges
      100.000 m detonating cord and 100.000 detonators
      350.000 detonators
      10.500 projectiles 155mm
      10 anti-drone guns
      14 anti-drone sensors and jammers
      100 auto-injector devices
      28.000 combat helmets
      15 palettes military clothing
      280 vehicles (trucks, minibuses, all-terrain vehicles)
      100 tents
      12 generators
      6 palettes material for explosive ordnance disposal
      125 binoculars
      1.200 hospital beds
      18 palettes medical material, 60 surgical lights
      protective clothing, surgical masks
      10.000 sleeping bags
      600 safety glasses
      1 radio frequency system
      3.000 field telephones with 5.000 cable reels and carrying straps
      1 field hospital (joint project with Estonia)
      353 night vision googles
      4 electronic anti-drone devices
      165 field glasses
      medical material (inter alia back packs, compression bandages)
      38 laser range finders
      Diesel and gasoline (ongoing deliveries) *
      10 tons AdBlue*
      500 medical gauzes
      MiG-29 spare parts*
      30 protected vehicles*
      80 pick-up trucks*
      7.944 man-portable anti-tank weapons RGW 90 Matador
      3 multiple rocket launchers MARS with ammunition
      6 mobile decontamination vehicles HEP 70 including decontamination material
      10 HMMWV (8x ground radar capability, 2x jamming/anti drone capability)*
      3 armoured recovery vehicles*
      7 radio jammers*
      8 mobile ground surveillance radars and thermal imaging cameras*
      4 mobile, remote controlled and protected mine clearing systems*
      8 electronic anti-drone devices*
      1 high frequency unit with equipment
      2 fridges for medical material

      Not bad at all, why did everyone say that Germany not help?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cause hating germs is the new thing and one rule to live by when it comes to germany is: it's never enough. completely forgetting that they broke their own rules to help ukraine, got only ungrateful crying in response and are one of a few countries that actually delivered modern stuff produced and developed by themselves and not just some old vatnig tanks in exchange for new western ones (which will also be provided by germany, what a surprise). i love almost every european country but for some really showed their true face in this conflict and that face had a pretty big nose /blog

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >when it comes to germany is: it's never enough

          No, the shit that the Germans actually did was never enough.

          Why did they close down their entire nuclear industry despite knowing that the only alternative was Russian gas? Why did they refuse to build LNG terminals so they could use other energy supplies? Why did they slow-roll deliveries of supplies to Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict? Why is Scholz still slowing down arms deliveries because of unspecified "technical issues"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why did they close down their entire nuclear industry despite knowing that the only alternative was Russian gas?
            Could you dumb spastics PLEASE stop repeating this retarded line? We don't really use their gas for electricity, it's for heating homes in East Germany (which is mainly done with gas unlike in West Germany) and for the petrochemical industry. Neither use case would have been helped by the electricity of nuclear power.

            >Why did they refuse to build LNG terminals so they could use other energy supplies?
            We did offer to build more (to the tune of $1.2 billion) but Amerimorons refused:
            >https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-usa-russia-idUSL8N2GD53Z
            Never trust the duplicitous 'Sharts is the lesson here, I guess. Publicly cry for one thing but then refuse to do it when push comes to shove.

            >Why did they slow-roll deliveries of supplies to Ukraine at the beginning of the conflict?
            What are you talking about?

            >Why is Scholz still slowing down arms deliveries because of unspecified "technical issues"
            Again, which ones? Some of the problems are legit because our armed forces are shit due to decades of underfunding, especially where procurement was concerned.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Could you dumb spastics PLEASE stop repeating this retarded line? We don't really use their gas for electricity
              Ok.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not him but
                >12%
                >2020
                It's been reduced a lot since then. Anon's not entirely wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It's been reduced a lot since then.
                [Citation needed]

                And he is wrong because that % number will vart wildly depending on time of day and weather. Really cold days = no wind

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, I was just trying to be nice and add some info but if you're gonna be a little cunt about it I'll let you rub your 2 brain cells together until you figure out yourself what changed between 2021 and 2022.
                Good night, anon. Learn to interact normally with others some time.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You added zero info though? How was gas dependence reduced between 2021 and 2022?
                You're the lying cunt it seems looking at the data

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >12.1%
                Anon, that's all natural gas in total, not just the R*ssian part. Besides, where was this power used? In homes? In factories? This doesn't support your suggestion that it could've been substituted with nuclear power. That's like saying you can replace petroleum imports for cars with electricity from nuclear plants because hey, it's both power, right!?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bruhhh fr fr deadass no cap. Upvoted hella. On god these vatniks dont even no lmaooo bbruh

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so 1 billion? thats pretty pathetic rookie numbers
    how much did we spend on the rona? 350 billion or something like that?
    i know a guy who ran a test station and made 1 million just off of fake tests. the whole wuflu was the scam of the century basically

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Considering they already got 2 billion in the years before the war and wouldn't even feel grateful if we'd send 20 billion more I think we can be content.
      Slavs gonna slav.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Germany also paid 9 billion to build a pipeline to circumvent Ukraine and thus destabilize Ukrainian security, which will never be operational.
        Nord Stream 1 meant that Ukraine lost 3 billion usd *annually* in gas transit money.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Germany also paid 9 billion to build a pipeline to circumvent Ukraine and thus destabilize Ukrainian security, which will never be operational.
          >Nord Stream 1 meant that Ukraine lost 3 billion usd *annually* in gas transit money.
          That is the most retarded cope I've ever seen.
          >no, you don't understand, Europe OWES it to Ukraine to pay 3 billion extra in transport fees
          Both Ukraine and Russia are corrupt shitholes, why the fuck would anybody be obligated to pay an unnecessary tax to them?

          I will piss in your radiator to keep you warm during winter you cockgangling motherfucker

          7/10 insult. Above average for a slav. I'm proud if you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Poles, Brits and Americans correctly pointed out that the pipeline through Ukraine was one of the few leverages and guarantess Ukraine had against Russia. Back in 2005.
            Germany didn't "owe" Ukraine that pipeline but what the cost of not factoring foreign policy into the equation is, should be obvious now.
            In the end, sticking it to Ukraine and getting our foreign policy, economy and corrupt politicians involved with Russia has been much worse for Germany and strengthened and embolded a country that has a replica of the Reichstag for military exercises and hacked our parliament.
            So now acting like we are benelovent for blessing Ukraine with 2bln, which again, is not even what Ukraine lost in a year from transit or a fifth of the cost of NS2, doesn't sit well with me.
            Germany fucked up majorly. But some are apparently still too stuck up to say and do the right things to fix it now.
            German "Nie wieder" memes apparently stop at 20 degrees C room temperature in winter and 2,10€/L. On the other hand german national pride apparently now means licking the boots of a meglomaniac manlet who can't win against an african-tier gdp country and begging him to open the pipeline back up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Germany didn't "owe" Ukraine that pipeline
              Correct.
              Everything else in your post is irrelevant.
              >Germany's nie wieder memes
              I don't care about this decade's slavic genocide.
              I don't care about last century's gnomish genocide. If your entire argument is
              >it was a bad idea because the result was bad
              Then you're not even correct by your own standards because the result is that Russia is getting raped and people in Germany are getting pissed at leftist hippies.

              >More expensive
              >We now pay 8 times what we paid in 2009 while also having to deal with a war in Europe.
              >Germany remains an economic mastermind.

              See above. Still good in the long term.
              I'm not saying it was planned this way, but if it were the results would actually make Merkel a mastermind instead of the weak woman she is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >W-we weren't actually wrong and Schröder, Merkel, Steinmeier et. al. didn't just sell our foreign policy off to the Russians...
                >It was actually all a plan to provoke Russia into a war in 20 years that we knew they would lose
                >I'll gladly pay four times regular energy prices now, because we saved a couple of cents by not paying Ukraine transit fees for eight years.
                >I'll also ignore the two pipelines that cost 16 bln. in total and will now never be used.

                This is exactly what I mean.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are probably about seven-tenths of a Slav yourself, what with all the rape you were on the wrong end of at the end of WW2.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Western Germany, moron. They never got here.
              And most of slavland has gotten German settlers filling their cities and building the only profitable farms there since the 12th century so they got muted for nearly a millennium.

              The war is very much connected to Germany. Now I don't blame Germany for the war, but the constant appeasement and throwing Ukraine under the bus gave Putin the wrong impressions.
              Germany believed in the Russian sphere of influence and was willing to sacrifice Ukraine for it. Despite not meeting NATO goals themselves, it was Germany, who in 2008 blocked Ukraine's accession talks after Bush proposed to include Ukraine.

              Ukraine wasn't exactly bumbling about. It was a poor country abandoned by its only potential allies and with like 15% of its original territory occupied and in a state of constant low intensity war.
              That's WWI Germany territorial losses.
              What allies are you thinking of, when France and Germany together with Russia decided a Diktat to "keep the peace" in Donbass that was essentially the Munich Agreement of 1938?

              I firmly believe that if there was no Nordstream, then the 2022 war wouldn't have happened because Ukraine would have completely turned it all off at once.
              In 2014 Ukraine kept it open, because it was a more limited war and Nord Stream 1 was already running.

              Nobody in Europe wanted Ukraine in NATO. France didn't want to allow them in either and Britain's turn around on that is extremely recent.
              I won't bother with the rest of your post because judging from the first paragraph you're either severely misinformed or just making shit up.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The US wanted Ukraine in NATO and Poland. The only 2 countries that met the 2% goal back then. Britain is a U.S. lapdog, so they would have supported it too.
                Yes, the french and germans didn't. And they are indeed nobodies and shouldn't have had a say in how to conduct foreign policy in Europe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >non European nation and irrelevant nation
                >also UK totally maybe
                Yeah, nah. Fuck off. Europe didn't care and if we're honest, outside of propaganda hype it still doesn't.
                You also forgot italy and Spain. Italy cares so little that the few goods they sent were enough to coup their government.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what? The simple truth is that the U.S. is basically NATO. What difference did it make for Germany and France if Ukraine was also protected by the U.S. or not, except to appease to Putin?

                >You also forgot to consider fucking Berlusconi and literally who on military matters in Europe.
                Alright.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >US is NATO
                >can't push through decisions based on US interests
                Get cucked.
                >nooooooo you have to put US interests over eurooean interests
                Just make NATO 2.0 without Europe then and it won't be a European problem.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am European, but in the end the Americans were right and Germany and France were caught with their pants down.
                I just want to be on the winning side. Simple as.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Germany, France, Spain, Italy and basically everybody else said no
                >but that shouldn't matter because muh Poland and US
                The US isn't part of Europe and I'm not even sure if Poland was in favor of it back then.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They were. And of course the Balts and Romania. Fifth columnist countries like Hungary and Russian bootlickers like Italy were against it, obviously.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >extremely relevant countries like the freshly joined balts, poles and Romania were for it
                >everybody else in Europe wasn't
                Shocking that that didn't work.

                >billions of investments made into ukraine these past 8 years

                Rofl, lmao even. Foreign investments plummeted since 2014. Guess why.

                He's retarded, but there actually were billions in investments in Ukraine since 2014.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You (?) brought up Italy and Spain first though. Besides, these extremely relevant countries were right in the end. So what does that say about the relevancy of France, whose intelligence didn't anticipate the war right up until it started or Germany, whode head of intelligence had to be evaced out of Kyiv on the 24th?

                I wouldn't trust any western/southern european country with matters of foreign policy or war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You (?) brought up Italy and Spain first though
                Both of which are and especially back then were quite a lot more relevant in Europe than the balts, poland and Romania.
                >Besides, these extremely relevant countries were right in the end
                How? We got a war with Russia now that nobody in either the EU or NATO is directly involved in while we bleed Russia dry and destroy their warfare capability for decades to come and possibly their regime.
                Name a better scenario with Ukraine in NATO against the wishes of everybody who matters in Europe.
                >France, whose intelligence didn't anticipate the war right up until it started or Germany, whode head of intelligence had to be evaced out of Kyiv on the 24th?
                Both saw it coming and getting evacuated doesn't get you internet points here. He wasn't in any danger and in the location most relevant at the time. Only a retard would think him being there is an own.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Name a better scenario
                Ukraine is in NATO, there is no war, Ukranians can stay in their own homes with their families and don't become refugees, prices in Europe don't spike, Russia impotently kvetches but at least doesn't send toillet-stealing rapist on European soil, speople who have no clue about Ukraine/Russia politics don't annoy the shit out of me.

                >Both saw it coming.
                Today a video was released of Macron calling Zelensky when the first Russian tanks rolled over the border. Watch the video and tell me that again. There is a reason the head of french intelligence was sacked. By the times the brits were sending weapons and the Americans evacuated their embassy, the German defense minister claimed that 5000 helmets is good enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine is in NATO, there is no war,
                Gay.
                >Ukranians can stay in their own homes with their families and don't become refugees,
                Don't care, they are Tutsis to me.
                >prices in Europe don't spike,
                Worth it.
                >Russia impotently kvetches but at least doesn't send toillet-stealing rapist on European soil,
                Ukraine is as European as Russia, we either include them both or exclude them both. The only real difference is Russia has Putin. Which might change because of the war.
                >speople who have no clue about Ukraine/Russia politics don't annoy the shit out of me.
                Ever considered that others have different priorities than you?
                >Today a video was released of Macron calling Zelensky when the first Russian tanks rolled over the border. Watch the video and tell me that again. There is a reason the head of french intelligence was sacked.
                Macron not listening and being warned are different things.
                >By the times the brits were sending weapons and the Americans evacuated their embassy, the German defense minister claimed that 5000 helmets is good enough.
                The first weapon shipments were announced by Britain and Germany on the same day and if wasn't about helmets even if the press jumped on that one.
                Look up some old posts in the archive of the autist who used to copy paste them to fight misinformation by people like you and check the earliest date there and the earliest date of the first shipment of the UK on wikipedia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Gay/Don't care
                Again with that egdy teenage shit.
                >Worth it
                Now you are even arguing for worse living standards and discomfort for people in Europe and yourself. The mental gymnastics.
                >Ukraine is as European ad Russia
                Literally Putin propaganda.
                >Ever considered that others have different priorities than you?
                Yeah, sadly there is no cure for retardation. Being right all the time isn't fun when room temperature IQ people think they know what they are talking about.
                >Macron not listening...
                The outcome was the same. Germany and France were not prepared and the head of french intelligence was sacked. Occams Razor: Military and political leaders in both countries believed the war would not happen.
                >The first weapon shipments...
                https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/17/uk-supplying-ukraine-with-anti-tank-weapons-mps-told
                And
                https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/27/world/europe/germany-5000-helmets-ukraine.html

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia falling apart is worth temporarily worse living standards.
                Ukraine isn't more western than Russia except in regards to gayry and that's no argument.
                You're wrong about occam's razor. Sacking one guy is easier than admitting fault as the president, it's what most guys are there for.
                You're wrong about the first weapon shipment announcements as well. If your too dumb to check the archive go check old versions of the wikipedia article. Same day, not helmets. I'd consider doing it for you but I'm in a car and don't really feel like spending effort on educating you since you're a mental midget with an attitude problem.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The northern hemisphere shall be nuked. Temporally turning it into a nuclear wasteland is worth the price so the Global South can build utopia once and for all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >If *your* too dumb...
                >... look at outdated Wikipedia articles and PrepHole archives
                Alright we are done here.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The current wikipedia article doesn't have the dates directly attached anymore.
                That doesn't make them magically invalid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I wouldn't trust any western/southern european country with matters of foreign policy or war.
                Why would you trust a country at all on these matters?
                Nevertheless, western countries ARE more reliable on such matters that any other country, mostly because the method of propaganda here is information towards people who judge themselves to be free. It is VERY costly in terms of reputation for politicians and newspapers to not say something factual, and considering most people are unable to parse reality even if they're told the truth, the truth is, in a sense, a perfect alibi. "It was shared, but people simply 'chose' to not act in accordance to it."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I said western european, not western. I.e. France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Spain etc. Britain and the U.S. clearly know what they are doing.
                I wasn't talking about propaganda, don't know where that came from.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody in Europe wanted Ukraine in NATO
                And non-eastern EU countries didn't want Ukraine to join the EU, either. They were already butthurt about Poland/hungary/Czech republic becoming a block in key issues.

                But they all would have loved cheaper and nearer oil/gas from Ukraine as seen in

                https://i.imgur.com/nsAV8bC.jpg

                The muh NATO shit has always been bullshit.

                The real reasons behind all since the 00s is russian imperialism trying to get back Belarus and Ukraine, and the latter oil/gas resources that once exploited why an EU friendly goverment, it would have undercut and made irrelevant Russia to the EU.

                Russia could have tried to diversify its economy, but they chose trying to take over.

                , and Putin's Russia couldn't allow that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >build a pipeline to circumvent Ukraine and thus destabilize Ukrainian security,
          >Nord Stream 1 meant that Ukraine lost 3 billion usd *annually* in gas transit money
          Europe is not America.
          Ukraine is not Israel.
          Why the fuck should there be a goy-tax?
          >use the more expensive option
          >why?
          >so your tax payers lose 3 billion every year to the third worst country in Europe.
          I don't fucking think so, Chaim.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >More expensive
            >We now pay 8 times what we paid in 2009 while also having to deal with a war in Europe.
            >Germany remains an economic mastermind.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >paid 9 billion to build a pipeline to circumvent Ukraine and thus destabilize Ukrainian security,
          >3 billion in transport fees annually otherwise
          >"NO! You must pay extra to buy from Isra- I mean Ukraine or you compromise the peace in the middle ea- I mean eastern europe, got."
          That is so retarded that I can't even tell whether this is a false flag or if you genuinely believe it because the dumb shit I've seen by butthurt slavs from both sides is starting to cancel each other out.
          Nobody owes Ukraine anything. Or Israwl for that matter. Stop producing so much CP, you could have become the #1 post-Soviet arms exporter if you wouldn't have gone full retard and given away your nukes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Retards like you are the reason the war broke out and you need to have a nice day. Even fucking Poles knew that bending over for Putin is retarded.
            >HURR WE DON'T OWE UKRAINE SHIT
            -now owes Russia 8 times more than what they paid before NS1. Without gas and without a pipeline.
            Fucking genius.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Correct. Germans like

              >Germany didn't "owe" Ukraine that pipeline
              Correct.
              Everything else in your post is irrelevant.
              >Germany's nie wieder memes
              I don't care about this decade's slavic genocide.
              I don't care about last century's gnomish genocide. If your entire argument is
              >it was a bad idea because the result was bad
              Then you're not even correct by your own standards because the result is that Russia is getting raped and people in Germany are getting pissed at leftist hippies.
              [...]
              See above. Still good in the long term.
              I'm not saying it was planned this way, but if it were the results would actually make Merkel a mastermind instead of the weak woman she is.

              do not get that NS2 may have meant been cheaper gas in the short term, but since Russia wants to annex Ukraine and Belarus, they would have been blackmailing the EU soon or later. Imagine a Russian Empire 3.0 in the door of the EU.

              This is why the frogs and Merkel were fools and Schroeder a traitor.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >soooooo it was wrong because it led us to the [current year]
                Russians are dying and once Russia has fallen apart NS1&2 will be used by the NATO picked successor regime.

                https://i.imgur.com/nsAV8bC.jpg

                The muh NATO shit has always been bullshit.

                The real reasons behind all since the 00s is russian imperialism trying to get back Belarus and Ukraine, and the latter oil/gas resources that once exploited why an EU friendly goverment, it would have undercut and made irrelevant Russia to the EU.

                Russia could have tried to diversify its economy, but they chose trying to take over.

                >The muh NATO shit has always been bullshit.
                On what level? Practical? Yes. Russia is already surrounded.
                As a red line for Putin? No. He clearly couldn't allow more of that after Russia "recovered." Or he would've lost his strongman status.
                See Georgia and now Ukraine.

                >W-we weren't actually wrong and Schröder, Merkel, Steinmeier et. al. didn't just sell our foreign policy off to the Russians...
                >It was actually all a plan to provoke Russia into a war in 20 years that we knew they would lose
                >I'll gladly pay four times regular energy prices now, because we saved a couple of cents by not paying Ukraine transit fees for eight years.
                >I'll also ignore the two pipelines that cost 16 bln. in total and will now never be used.

                This is exactly what I mean.

                Hey retard.
                I said it wasn't planned, but I don't care about the current slavic genocides and the results are good. Paying more now to see Russia fall is worth it. How was that too difficult to understand for you?
                Why can't you just read what I write instead of making up shit? Who's forcing you to be gnomish?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, so you are just larping as an edgy sociopathic teenager? What's the point then?
                To tell everyone about your obsession with garden gnomes and slavs? Touch grass and get laid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok, so you are just larping as an edgy sociopathic teenager?
                How the fuck are you so entitled to think that anybody who doesn't care about what you care about is a sociopath?
                Russians getting removed is good, many Ukranian lives will be taken for it but it's a price I'm willing to pay,because I have literally 0 connection to ukranians.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look up the definition of sociopath and then compare it to your last sentence.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How many African genocides do you care deeply about?
                Did you donate to the Tutsi?
                Nobody cares about far off wars without propaganda influence, that's human nature.
                Nobody in the US cared about Georgia, now they care about Ukraine.
                Same goes for western Europe. Eastern Europe at least has some connections there, but that's it.
                I'm not sociopath, you're just an entitled piece of shit who thinks the world revolves around his desires.
                You just aren't that important, anon. Get used to it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You will never lose your virginity with that attitude. Turn off your computer and go for a walk.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kek, I'm happily engaged. Nice try though.

                so let's see, your best argument:
                projection regarding not caring about wars, mostly ignoring wide public opposition towards many wars in the past 5 decades, even if the war is fueled by the nation that public is a part of.
                implying ukrainian war support is fueled by propaganda... but forgetting the main point, which is saying why supporting the war in ukraine is a bad thing in itself.
                calling others entitled people who think the world revolves around them based on pretty much a strawman, aka shitflinging and more projection.

                status: 200% propagandized

                Americans and Europeans were against wars they were a part of.
                Neither cared about those they weren't, i.e. Georgia
                Most Americans don't even know Georgoa exists and before the Ukranian scandals most didn't know Ukraine exists. They don't intrinsically care about either country and neither does western europe.
                You're such a fucking propaganda victim you genuinely believe some mormon guy in bumfuck Utah would get bent out of shape over Russia's invasion of Georgia lmao

                I am European, but in the end the Americans were right and Germany and France were caught with their pants down.
                I just want to be on the winning side. Simple as.

                The winning side is the one that kills Russians. Can't happen without war.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                retard post

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Neither cared about those they weren't, i.e. Georgia
                they did, it just didn't last long enough for the flames to be fanned among people. but the flames can only be fanned if they think they are on the side of righteousness.
                your possible friend Vladimir Vladimirovich knew that very well, and was hoping to repeat Georgia and Ukraine 2014, well, now he's in a bit of a pickle 😉

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they did
                Nope. Nobody cared.
                >it just didn't last long enough for the flames to be fanned among people
                America wasn't too interested in Georgia so there was no propaganda to fan them in the first place.
                >your possible friend Vladimir Vladimirovich knew that very well, and was hoping to repeat Georgia and Ukraine 2014, well, now he's in a bit of a pickle 😉
                Cope. I'm happy Russians are getting slaughtered but your only response to sing objectively wrong is to pretend I'm putin's illegitimate son who spends time on PrepHole during his stay in a swiss boarding school.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol I was 13 when the Georgia invasion happened and everybody cared about it for about a week and then moved on to the next issue

                Your fatal mistake is assuming that the group of people who don't care about foreign policy would give a shit about sanctioning Russia either.

                Also, assuming that a major conventional war against a US security partner would fly under the radar the way a petty shitflinging contest in the Caucasus did.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lol I was 13 when the Georgia invasion happened and everybody cared about it for about a week and then moved on to the next issue
                Thanks for confirming I'm right.
                Nobody cared, it was a 1 week news story.
                I win, you lose. Scroll back a bit and save yourself the goalpost moving.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'll declare victory so I can pretend I didn't get analreamed

                An interesting strategy.

                Unfortunately, fucking everybody in America has heard of this Ukraine shit by now and American public opinion overwhelmingly supports Ukraine, which you would know if you were actually an American.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Unfortunately, fucking everybody in America has heard of this Ukraine shit by now and American public opinion overwhelmingly supports Ukraine, which you would know if you were actually an American.
                I never denied that you retard.
                I said Americans don't intrinsically care about Ukraine, just like they didn't in regards to Georgia.
                Guess what changed that.
                It was part of a longer conversation, but that was the sub topic this was about.

                >Nobody cared, it was a 1 week news story.
                it's you who's moving the goalposts. "nobody cared for long enough" is different from "nobody cared".

                If they would have cared it would have lasted over a week. A forest fire in california is more interesting.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >A forest fire in california is more interesting.
                It's funny because basically the same thing happens. Attention dies off because TV coverage stops being sensational, and yet every year there's always plenty of people who don't care to follow regulation and safety rules, clearing dried bush, etc, and every year there's people with shocked look in their eyes - it happened to me, and I knew all about it.
                People have short attention spans, it's not that they don't care at all.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's just normal for humanity. Evolutions never molded us to care about people too far away for us to even visualized the distance realistically.

                >You need a connection to a war to care and there isn't an intrinsic one in the American Zeitgeist for Ukraine or Georgia.
                You want more of a zeitgeist than a Russian invasion? Please. A Russian invasion will ALWAYS be sensational to people of a certain age in the USA, that generation is far from being gone.

                >You want more of a zeitgeist than a Russian invasion? Please
                Don't use words you don't know the meaning of lmao
                That actually made me laugh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you got what I meant, a russia invasion tickles the US zeitgeist. it follows from the rest of the sentence.
                >focus on pretending I didn't know the meaning of the word instead of the bigger point
                meh, you just learned to be annoying, it's not a positive trait at all.

                >Evolutions never molded us to care about people too far away for us
                it's amusing because now you're talking about things you definitely don't understand. you have 0 proofs for this and plenty of evidence suggesting otherwise, even if you nitpick about it involving people of the same ethnicity and social class and religion and culture, whatever. people care, and people care a lot, often they create powerful copes like religions in an attempt to rationalize the forces of this world and to gain some degree of "control" over them.
                maybe even your vision is coping with that feeling of powerlessless. "I do not want to feel anything towards people who are faraway and outside of my control, therefore I will believe NOBODY really feels anything for distant people, and so I can be absolved". many such copings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This poster is significantly smarter than the poster he's replying to.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cont., in fact, your point is just absurd. propaganda itself can only work because people care about a topic. there is no other way to propagandize people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Propaganda makes people care. If they would ot wouldn't be necessary.
                That's why you don't care about the Tutsi, anon. Lack of propaganda.
                >inb4 but they're just morons
                Leftists don't care either.
                Humanity wasn't made to care about wars at the other end of the world with no connection to them, the fact that you don't understand that is sad.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It sounds like you're just one of those guys who doesn't have any friends and doesn't have any tangible accomplishments, but you insist that you're smarter than everybody else because you have eight grade level hot takes.

                PROTIP: the majority of people don't care about any issue. This means that any countries policy is necessarily made by the people that do. The minority of Americans that do actually care about foreign policy are the only ones that actually matter in this conversation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Propaganda makes people care. If they would ot wouldn't be necessary.
                You don't understand propaganda. Propaganda is not about about making people care, it's about moving people to action regarding what they care about. You can't make people care about things through a proaganda leaflet. If I surround your house with blacked porn banners you won't develop a fetish for interracial sex.
                Or maybe you're a visitor of those sissy hypno threads on /gif/ and you believe in such things.

                >Humanity wasn't made to care about wars at the other end of the world with no connection to them,
                This is just a meaningless statement. Humanity "wasn't made to care about wars at the other end of the world" doesn't even begin to mean they don't care about wars with no direct connection to them.
                You should reformulate that to "humanity wasn't made with your feelings in mind", then you won't need to come up with such rationalizations and you'll be able to better understand the behavior of people around you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This is just a meaningless statement.
                That's what the conversation was about.
                Your kindergarten take on propaganda is wrong too and your retarded assumptions of what I might think aren't worth responding to.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                on pretending I didn't know the meaning of the word instead of the bigger point
                You didn't and your point wasn't relevant to what I said due to it.
                >schizo rambling I won't read
                Kek
                So you care about the tutsi genocide, you care "a lot"?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you care about the tutsi genocide, you care "a lot"?
                goalpost moving
                this discussion is over

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not at all.
                You don't care, because that's normal.
                You pretend it isn't.
                I win, you lose.

                >given away your nukes.
                You retard. The nukes where all locked out. Soviets had all the lunch codes. It would have taken years to figure out and bypass them. No other countries would help, only interfere. Ukraine literally had no choices. They couldn't even bargain.

                Metal gear solid education.

                It sounds like you're just one of those guys who doesn't have any friends and doesn't have any tangible accomplishments, but you insist that you're smarter than everybody else because you have eight grade level hot takes.

                PROTIP: the majority of people don't care about any issue. This means that any countries policy is necessarily made by the people that do. The minority of Americans that do actually care about foreign policy are the only ones that actually matter in this conversation.

                >PROTIP: the majority of people don't care about any issue. This means that any countries policy is necessarily made by the people that do. The minority of Americans that do actually care about foreign policy are the only ones that actually matter in this conversation.
                Funny how you agree with me but are too lazy to read the context of a conversation to avoid looking like a retard.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Funny how you agree with me

                no lol stop coping. Your argument was stupid.

                Just because the majority of a population doesn't care about an issue doesn't mean that there isn't organic public support for a policy. The majority of the US population doesn't give a shit about any issue. Policy in this country has always been made by the minority of the population that actually gives a shit.

                Most of the people who actually give a shit about foreign policy support a strong response to Russian aggression, because of course they would they aren't total retards.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Your argument was stupid.
                You just didn't get it and nothing you said proves me wrong.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                cope

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody cared, it was a 1 week news story.
                it's you who's moving the goalposts. "nobody cared for long enough" is different from "nobody cared".

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                also, thanks for reminding me of that meme of the man from GA worrying about the Russian invasion to Georgia that traversed the internet *~~*~~)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nope. Nobody cared.
                You are saying you know the public sentiment of everyone went a certain way. That's the definition of cope. 99.999% of people voted for the comrade President *~~))

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are saying you know the public sentiment of everyone went a certain way.
                Yes. Nobody cared about the war in Georgia in America. It was in the news for a few days and then disappeared. Most were just surprised that Georgia had seceded from the union before Texas somehow.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're wrong, though. Maybe you were underage when that happened, it's all right. Or maybe you want to blur the division between people caring and falling for apathy and people not caring at all. Who benefits, one can only wonder.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Anon, read the entire conversation.
                Either you're a retard who forgot what this was initially about or you jumped into an ongoing conversation without reading the background.
                Either way, my point was the entire time that Americans don't care about every random war just like everybody else.
                You need a connection to a war to care and there isn't an intrinsic one in the American Zeitgeist for Ukraine or Georgia.
                That doesn't mean you can't introduce an extrinsic one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You need a connection to a war to care and there isn't an intrinsic one in the American Zeitgeist for Ukraine or Georgia.
                You want more of a zeitgeist than a Russian invasion? Please. A Russian invasion will ALWAYS be sensational to people of a certain age in the USA, that generation is far from being gone.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so let's see, your best argument:
                projection regarding not caring about wars, mostly ignoring wide public opposition towards many wars in the past 5 decades, even if the war is fueled by the nation that public is a part of.
                implying ukrainian war support is fueled by propaganda... but forgetting the main point, which is saying why supporting the war in ukraine is a bad thing in itself.
                calling others entitled people who think the world revolves around them based on pretty much a strawman, aka shitflinging and more projection.

                status: 200% propagandized

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this
                why should anyone care about two shitholes duking it out?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Who says that Ukraine winning means that NATO chooses the leader of Russia? Who says that Putin(or at least a successor who follows in his fashion) won't still be in power? Assuming Ukraine wins the war, why would it be a non-issue that Russia uses NS1+2 to blackmail Europe? Imagine, for a second, how difficult it would be for Russia to continue the effort if they had to tiptoe around land-based pipelines in the country they want to invade. Think of the leverage that Ukraine would have over their invader if they could shut down their invader's primary source of revenue at will?

                The reality is that NS1 and 2 posed the greatest threat to European unity and support of Ukraine in this war. Its architects were warned this would be an issue. They didn't listen. It is good that Germany is helping. But it doesn't undo the harm that was done in German shortsightedness.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are painfully retarded.
                Think before you post. If Ukraine cared so much about their capability to pressure Russia they should have dropped their prices.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                fuck russia,I'd rather wear more clothes indoor during the next winter than let Ukraine lose

                t. german

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes zogbot
                you will own nothing to PWN the russians

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >you will own nothing

                We aren't Russians lol. America is barely feeling anything and we straight up don't care if the Europeans suffer the consequences of their own retarded actions.

                Now post trade volume

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm a European and we are feeling a lot.
                >we straight up don't care
                Apparently not. Washington is fucking retarded if it thinks it's going to win this war by throwing Europe under the bus.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Washington is fucking retarded if it thinks it's going to win this war by throwing Europe under the bus

                We have the weapons, the Ukrainians have the soldiers.

                The Europeans had eight years to diversify their energy supplies so they wouldn't get cucked when another conflict broke out in Eastern Europe.

                Now what's going to happen is that America keeps shipping weapons, and the Europeans can either choose to do the right thing, or not do the right thing. We correctly assumed that the Europeans were worthless and stupid, so we don't really lose anything if the Europeans make the wrong decision (again).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Kinda nice when you can bomb other countries but the refugees are flowing to europe. Should just give them enough food for a trip to the US and send them there with big ships.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I'm a European and we are feeling a lot.
                Liar, you're not from the EU and it shows

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Washington is fucking retarded if it thinks it's going to win this war by throwing Europe under the bus

                We have the weapons, the Ukrainians have the soldiers.

                The Europeans had eight years to diversify their energy supplies so they wouldn't get cucked when another conflict broke out in Eastern Europe.

                Now what's going to happen is that America keeps shipping weapons, and the Europeans can either choose to do the right thing, or not do the right thing. We correctly assumed that the Europeans were worthless and stupid, so we don't really lose anything if the Europeans make the wrong decision (again).

                The duality of shills.
                Whatever, I don't care about your shitty war or your shitty Ruskies or your shitty Ukies.
                I'm not going to argue with you and end up on some CIA watchlist.
                Americans are scum and this is just more proof. You know damn well the EU (occupational European government) is installed by America and takes its marching orders from America (evidenced by Germany still being under American military occupation almost a century after the war) and they don't give a shit about Europeans - in fact they exist to oppress us and stamp us out with their postmodernism and hippie cultures and now wokeism.
                I hope Russia and America kill each other and we're all that remains. But I mostly hope they do it soon. Energy prices are so high I might not afford to keep a roof over my head soon - and many of my fellow countrymen as well - because of EU stupidity and American arrogance.
                Fuck you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh wait, he's right, you're not a European.

                Cry more Russkie.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I am more European than you'll ever be, Russian/American/Israeli shill.

                >Apparently not. Washington is fucking retarded if it thinks it's going to win this war by throwing Europe under the bus.
                Europe threw itself under the bus by spending 15 years sucking putins dick.
                We could have been energy independent wrt russia if we had started building nuclear reactors in 2014.

                Europe wasn't sucking Putin's anything, Europe was being brainwashed by American green energy propaganda and the public wasn't informed about what was at stake. Germany had it the worst to the point where they imported all of their energy to "save the planet." Ruskie propaganda probably had something to do with it but Americans SURE AS FUCK didn't do anything about it. Americans were more than happy to watch the EU plutocracy dig its own grave.
                That's not a fucking ally.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Europe was being brainwashed by American green energy propaganda
                >meanwhile America is the country that consistently does the most to undermine emissions standards, while the Europeans have the strictest standards on the planet

                >US explicitly tells Europeans not to do it over and over again and they choose to do it anyway
                >but remember, it's America's fault

                I can't decide if you're a Russian or just a genuinely retarded Europoor. Most Europeans are smarter than you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What the US tells you is something other than what the US does.
                Again Russian propaganda probably convinced the retarded Germans, who have lost all agency after WW2, to abolish nuclear.
                But again America did not fucking do anything about it OR urge them to start their own energy production.
                Americans are more than willing to let it crumble so they can become the main energy exporters to Europe.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >America did not fucking do anything about it OR urge them to start their own energy production

                Literally fake news.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Obama, Clinton or Bush coming down to Europe to talk about energy independence

                Literally fake news, they didn't give a shit. Trump might have but Trump was never in control.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what you're saying is everything would be much better if Europe was just run as an American colony?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                We already are and have been since 1945. But not officially. Because an official colony you at least have to pretend to give a shit about.

                >they didn't give a shit

                Anon, every administration since Obama has been trying to get the Europeans to stop being so fucking retarded.

                You probably aren't old enough to remember this, but even back in 2010 Obama sent Robert Gates over to tell the Europeans to increase defense spending and be less reliant on Russia.

                Not to mention a full four years of Trump threatening to sanction Germany if they didn't stop Nord Stream, and the Germans soldiering through anyway out of pure retardation.

                >Obama telling anyone to ease off the Green shit
                I doubt it.

                Germans were already worrying about nuclear waste and management before hippies became a thing. Sure, the soviets helped them later as it suited them, but it was originally 100% organic.
                Besides the hippie/peacenik stuff, there were reasonable concerns about the tech and the waste it created that still aren't 100% solved despite things being better now.

                At this point I don't care. The elites in Western Europe and Germany in particular are all soulless Neoliberals and nuclear panic was never huge in the general population, these elites only listen to their small select think-tanks of political extremists and do anything they can to hurt the common man. Its soulless liberalism married to soulless capitalism without any attention to reality or "what works" only for "what should work" even if it doesn't fucking work. And it works hand in hand with globalist American special interests who want to export their energy for big bucks.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we made a decision
                >it turned out badly
                >clearly it was somebody else's fault

                I guarantee you trannies like yourself were the ones complaining about US imperialism whenever we tried to convince Europe to build LNG terminals.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we
                Who is we? The EU? That we don't elect at all? Some business elite made up of globalists?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The EU doesn't make energy policy retard. National governments do. The German government were the ones who shut down all of their nuclear plants and refused to build any natural gas infrastructure that didn't depend on Russian oil.

                Meanwhile the Spanish have Algerian oil, the Scandis have Norwegian oil, the French still have nuclear, and the British have north sea gas.

                Sucks to suck, retard. You have literally nobody to blame but yourself.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The EU doesn't make energy policy retard. National governments do.
                Boy you are clueless. National governments are all pro-EU. National government officials are only professional EU dicksuckers. If you are anti-EU you will not get elected, simple as.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                retard post

                The French have the exact opposite energy policy and somehow the EU didn't overthrow their government. Keep on blaming your problems on somebody else instead of taking responsibility, I'm sure that will fix the problem.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The French always do the opposite of Germany, this is no surprise. In this situation it helped them, in many others it fucked them over.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Also
                >somehow the EU didn't overthrow their government
                Because the French government is not anti-EU you genius

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So Germany could just have gone nuclear but decided against it because they're dumb and not because of the Illuminati?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                they didn't want the nuclear plants in their back yard even though every country around them has at least one plant meaning that they're already in their back yard.
                They have no problem paying for french nuclear when they need it.

                So the answer to your question is "yes."

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Brilliant mental gymnastics.

                One small question though, if Germany didn't need to build nuclear in their own country, how could they be having an energy crisis right now?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                While I'm saying that they should have kept the plants open and ignored retarded hippies who think that modern nuclear plants would be the same as a US plant built in the 50s or a soviet plant built in the 70s, they aren't having or are going to have an energy crisis.

                They still have 4 nuclear plants, some of which were going to be decomm'd but now are going to have their lives extended. In addition for all the screeching about green energy they're going to bring some coal plants back online. Their continued buying of gas right now is storing what little russoid brap fuel for later, because it's very clear that Russians are intent on shutting the line off at this point.
                As much as I hate the krauts for their complacent or at times corrupt gov't, some of that stored gas is probably going to be given to some neighbors as well come winter for heat, and on electric power Europe as a whole is not going to have issues. All that will happen is that the energy prices may go up a bit, and even then Europe is Rich and they are considering price caps to offset this.

                People talking about an energy crisis are either alarmist retards or retarded shills.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, my apologies, I thought you were the shill I was replying to earlier. No hard feelings.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                np, at times it can be hard to differentiate people on an anonymous basket pattern forum

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >some of that stored gas is probably going to be given to some neighbors as well come winter for heat,
                Eastern European nations have been buying "German" gas for months while complaining about Germany buying Russian gas.
                Hypocrite retards tbh

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >People talking about an energy crisis are either alarmist retards or retarded shills.
                It is a crisis though. Not in the OMG were going to freeze to death sense but in the economic one.
                There's a lot of industry simply not running right now because the energy prices are too high. Access to cheap energy is what enabled modern civilization.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Not in the OMG were going to freeze to death sense but in the economic one.
                >There's a lot of industry simply not running right now because the energy prices are too high. Access to cheap energy is what enabled modern civilization.
                Except it isn't. Prices were depressed during lockdowns and now people are balking as the prices approach pre-2020 again.

                And again, Europe is a fucking rich and industrialized region, and the west has been working behind the scenes to lower prices.
                This is going to be an "economic crisis" like lockdown was an "economic crisis," except even less severe than that even. We're going to go through it fine.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Prices were depressed during lockdowns and now people are balking as the prices approach pre-2020 again.
                Right...
                Mind you that graph doesn't even cover 2022. Im guessing you don't pay any electricity and heating bills?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you concede my point that the EU doesn't determine member states energy policies?

                That would make sense, given that Spain built a ton of LNG capacity and they're laughing at the rest of Europe right now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Scandis have Norwegian oil
                Scandinavia basically doesn't use any natural gas at all. Its all either nuclear or hydropower

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >they didn't give a shit

                Anon, every administration since Obama has been trying to get the Europeans to stop being so fucking retarded.

                You probably aren't old enough to remember this, but even back in 2010 Obama sent Robert Gates over to tell the Europeans to increase defense spending and be less reliant on Russia.

                Not to mention a full four years of Trump threatening to sanction Germany if they didn't stop Nord Stream, and the Germans soldiering through anyway out of pure retardation.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it was more to spite the amis than anything else really
                t. german

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >destroy your own energy supply
                haha take that orange man!

                truly 4d chess

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I 100% believe that whoever told Trump to say that to the germans was counting on that.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This. American brainwashing convinced all Germans that anyone remotely right wing is evil and of course they all hated Trump by default and were conditioned to do the opposite of what he said.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Nord Stream
                I'm willing to bet the US escalated the Ukie/Ruskie conflict so that NordStream would die.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Europe wasn't sucking Putin's anything,
                lmao look up who funded the anti-fracking propaganda in europooristan
                hint: it wasn't the orange man

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >it wasn't the orange man
                No it was Obama and Clinton, avatars of the US establishment.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >anti-fracking propaganda
                Let's not pretend fracking was not a disaster in the EU. Several countries tried it and ended in local earthquakes scaring the shit out of everyone in nearby towns and property damage.

                The EU has not the space and plains for that shit, it's too densely populated.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Europe was being brainwashed by American green energy propaganda
                >American green energy propaganda
                lol, lmao even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Literally American flower-power hippie cultural imperialism.
                WHICH was also born from Soviet subversion.
                Again this is an American-Russian hybrid monster and Europe suffers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Germans were already worrying about nuclear waste and management before hippies became a thing. Sure, the soviets helped them later as it suited them, but it was originally 100% organic.
                Besides the hippie/peacenik stuff, there were reasonable concerns about the tech and the waste it created that still aren't 100% solved despite things being better now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >waste it created that still aren't 100% solved despite things being better now.
                Not true its not solved because there are many politicians who have built there whole careers on it not being solved.
                No one is losing sleep over the storage of arsenik or mercury waste from mining. Which is just as if not more dangerous as a nuclear waste.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you must be from a brics country and you are just jealous because you are living in a shithole

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you go on /int/ or any other board with flags, the only people shilling for Russia are Brazilians and Mexicans.

                Truly the saviors of the white race.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >hehe i'll call him nonwhite
                >that will surely get him to dox himself
                Fuck you, I am European, I'm sure the hostile American spying will be able to fetch my IP address no problem. I'm not gonna do your work for you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's clear that they don't understand how winters are in the EU and believe it's like Siberia or something. They must have seen snow only in movies, lol

                Being butthurt about the US fucking up their countries (even more than they were by default) has broken their minds open to russian propaganda.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no bro nah nah nah listen
                >its good that youre paying 10000 euros a month on your energy bill
                >its a sacrifice i am TOTALLY willing to make

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >paying 10000 euros a month on your energy bill
                another clue about you not being from the EU is you thinking that euros and rubles have the same value, lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Another clue in you being an America/Russian shill is a lack of connection with reality, the truth, and basic reasoning.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >suck russian dick
                >surprise when covered in russian cum
                A two act play about German foreign policy.

                What the US tells you is something other than what the US does.
                Again Russian propaganda probably convinced the retarded Germans, who have lost all agency after WW2, to abolish nuclear.
                But again America did not fucking do anything about it OR urge them to start their own energy production.
                Americans are more than willing to let it crumble so they can become the main energy exporters to Europe.

                >But again America did not fucking do anything about it OR urge them to start their own energy production.
                Yes they did.
                So you both complain about american meddling while you simultaneously think they didn't meddle enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Energy prices are so high I might not afford to keep a roof over my head soon
                moron just don't pay, squatters and rent nomads do that for years in western Europe because of all the protections for renters.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Apparently not. Washington is fucking retarded if it thinks it's going to win this war by throwing Europe under the bus.
                Europe threw itself under the bus by spending 15 years sucking putins dick.
                We could have been energy independent wrt russia if we had started building nuclear reactors in 2014.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                or just not stopping the ones you had in service

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >given away your nukes.
            You retard. The nukes where all locked out. Soviets had all the lunch codes. It would have taken years to figure out and bypass them. No other countries would help, only interfere. Ukraine literally had no choices. They couldn't even bargain.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >military goods
    Wasn't most aid sent in goods and cash not directly for military means anyway?
    >inb4 that's not good, lend lease should have only sent Shermans

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real garden gnomes were the Germans we met along the way.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still want to see footage from a Leopard 1 Tank and a Leopard 2a4 raping T-72s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some pretty high up guy in the ukie military just said a couple days ago in an interview that unless they get like 2 battalions of Leos the logistical burden wouldn't really be worth it, especially since they'd have to be trained for like 2 months before they could be used in the first place and nobody knows how to maintain them (yet).
      So they prefer the soviet shitboxes most of the eastern countries needed away to get of anyway.
      Win-win. Ukies get tanks they know with working infrastructure already set up, easterlings can get rid of their trash and pretend they're heroes for it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What ukraine needs to do is grab every 17 yr old and send them to NATO countries for the full 6month to a year long training so when rheu go back to ukraine with western weapons they can operate as an army within an army.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Would probably be difficult to set up universal training standards and a couple countries (UK, Germany, if I'd have to guess probably also poland) are already training them. Coordination between the countries would probably take longer than the conflict though.

          Retards like you are the reason the war broke out and you need to have a nice day. Even fucking Poles knew that bending over for Putin is retarded.
          >HURR WE DON'T OWE UKRAINE SHIT
          -now owes Russia 8 times more than what they paid before NS1. Without gas and without a pipeline.
          Fucking genius.

          >Retards like you are the reason the war broke out
          The war had very specific reasons from both sides and neither are connected to Germany.
          Russia said in 2008 they won't "allow" NATO in Ukraine and Georgia and reinforced that in 2014. Ukraine has been bumbling around without a clear defensive strategy or set up international pacts since 2014. The pipeline makes 0 difference in the end.
          We know that because even during the fucking war Ukrainians kept it open. It was never an effective way to deter Russians because they didn't think it was because Ukraine couldn't afford to shut it down and the rest if Eyrooe wouldn't want them to in the first place and guess what? For once they were right.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The muh NATO shit has always been bullshit.

            The real reasons behind all since the 00s is russian imperialism trying to get back Belarus and Ukraine, and the latter oil/gas resources that once exploited why an EU friendly goverment, it would have undercut and made irrelevant Russia to the EU.

            Russia could have tried to diversify its economy, but they chose trying to take over.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The war is very much connected to Germany. Now I don't blame Germany for the war, but the constant appeasement and throwing Ukraine under the bus gave Putin the wrong impressions.
            Germany believed in the Russian sphere of influence and was willing to sacrifice Ukraine for it. Despite not meeting NATO goals themselves, it was Germany, who in 2008 blocked Ukraine's accession talks after Bush proposed to include Ukraine.

            Ukraine wasn't exactly bumbling about. It was a poor country abandoned by its only potential allies and with like 15% of its original territory occupied and in a state of constant low intensity war.
            That's WWI Germany territorial losses.
            What allies are you thinking of, when France and Germany together with Russia decided a Diktat to "keep the peace" in Donbass that was essentially the Munich Agreement of 1938?

            I firmly believe that if there was no Nordstream, then the 2022 war wouldn't have happened because Ukraine would have completely turned it all off at once.
            In 2014 Ukraine kept it open, because it was a more limited war and Nord Stream 1 was already running.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >firmly believe that if there was no Nordstream, then the 2022 war wouldn't have happened because Ukraine would have completely turned it all off at once.
              They didn't even turn it off after NS1 was turned off. What are you talking about?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You mean like last month?
                What are you on about? As I said, leverage like that is only truly relevant if it can be used all at once.
                The contionously shrinking trickle since 2014 doesn't make a difference.
                Iirc in the late 2010s there was like 8bcm going through Ukraine, down from 90bcm before NS1 was built.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You mean like last month?
                Does that invalidate the fact that ukraine did not stop the gas flow? You were wrong. They weren't willing to do that, we know that as a matter of fact now.
                Because they didn't, even after NS1 wasshut down.
                Also, once again, nobody owes Ukraine any transit fees. If you are right and they really cared about it as a security guarantee against Russia they could have just waived the fees.
                But they didn't, because you're wrong. It's a corrupt shithole and its corrupt leaders wanted the money.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So you'd argue that there is no difference between having the power to immediately shut off 90bcm of gas right when a war starts or like 5bcm six months after the start, when you are already winning the war and half of Europe is kvetching about the winter crisis?

                Ukraine was a corrupt shithole that wasted money sure, but you act as if countries like Germany are so virtuous that they wouldn't dare the blemish of paying off a corrupt shithole, if the alternstive is war.
                We are fine with paying off Saudis and Chinese, but Ukraine is where we draw the line?
                Let's be real, the corruption problem was with our leaders. Our former fucking chancellor is KowTowing to fucking Putin. Our current president initiated another pipeline to Russia one year after the war originally started. How embarassing is that? And we were laughing at the shit Trump pulled?

                Please spare me with German hypocrisy about corruption.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So you'd argue that
                I argue that they could have had that ability if they would have been willing to budge on the fees.
                They weren't.
                You also ignore that most of Europe Europe doesn't want them to have that ability because Europe likes gas. Including Eastern Europe, even if they buy it from Germany after complaining that Germany bought it from Russia.
                >Ukraine was a corrupt shithole that wasted money sure, but you act as if countries like Germany are so virtuous that they wouldn't dare the blemish of paying off a corrupt shithole, if the alternstive is war.
                No?
                I act like I don't care. Because I don't.
                The rest of Europe could be just as corrupt as Ukraine, why the fuck would that give Ukraine a special place in our hearts? Brotherhood through corruption?
                >We are fine with paying off Saudis and Chinese, but Ukraine is where we draw the line?
                No, I just don't care. It's not a moral issue and I have no idea why you're trying to pretend it is. If it were we would have sanctioned the shit out of both Russia and ukraine 20 years ago.
                >Let's be real, the corruption problem was with our leaders
                Nope, still don't care.
                >Please spare me with German hypocrisy about corruption.
                Germany is not anywhere near Russia or Ukraine when it comes to corruption. You're the only one moralizing about it though. Read my post again you whiny moron.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukraine should have just given their whole country's infrastructure to Germany for free, because that's something countries do.
                >I'll also reply to every argument I have no answer to by saying I don't care, like an edgy teenager.

                There is no point in having a conversation with you. You are just too retarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                For free? No.
                But if you say the ability to pressure Russia matters and the money doesn't they could have rented out the pipes at maintenance value.
                They didn't, because you're fucking wrong and retarded.
                >muh arguments
                Those weren't arguments, you whined and brought up irrelevant shit I don't care about after getting BTFO on the facts because you lost.

                retard post

                morongarden gnome post.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Renting out your only strategic advantage at maintanance cost.
                >To Germany who keeps blaming you for everything because you exist.
                Any other genius plans, Chamberlain?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >pressuring Russia is more important than money
                >agree to less money to keep that ability
                How is that an issue too complicated to get into your little brain?
                You whined about NS1 ruining their capability to pressure Russia. They could've kept it if they would have been willing to lower their price.
                They weren't, so you're wrong about that. Their oligarchs preferred the money.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You mean like last month?
                Does that invalidate the fact that ukraine did not stop the gas flow? You were wrong. They weren't willing to do that, we know that as a matter of fact now.
                Because they didn't, even after NS1 wasshut down.
                Also, once again, nobody owes Ukraine any transit fees. If you are right and they really cared about it as a security guarantee against Russia they could have just waived the fees.
                But they didn't, because you're wrong. It's a corrupt shithole and its corrupt leaders wanted the money.

                >Also, once again, nobody owes Ukraine any transit fees. If you are right and they really cared about it as a security guarantee against Russia they could have just waived the fees.
                >But they didn't, because you're wrong. It's a corrupt shithole and its corrupt leaders wanted the money.
                This is important and destroys the entire phantom argument of
                >should have given ukraine free gibs instead of going for the cheaper option to give them a way to pressure Russia
                If pressuring Russia and not gibs would have been the point, they could have given up the gibs.
                But they wanted the money more than the ability to pressure Russia (which ended up meaningless too when actually tested).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Universal training doesn't really matter as much as how to maintain or fight with a specific model of vehicle. High end capabilities require much more training time and logistical capacity.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I was more worried about shit like communication and having standards for how to coordinate. Doesn't really matter if you just make specialist out of their already trained soldiers, but if you take fresh conscripts that becomes a lot more significant if you spread them over like 20 nations.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is already happening. My ukie friends cousin volunteered but had no experience. They sent him to Lviv and then Poland for training.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I watch the same video from Military History Visualized but here is his conclusion about Leopard 2 wrong with several mistakes. First he things short but not mid- or longtime, in the long run Ukraine need sooner or later switch to western systems anyway. Yes Soviet Gear is easier to adapt but his source is not a higher up, just a ukraine officer in Juni which needed Tank for the now on going Kherson Offensive. Its already outdated information. Ukraine is begging for the Tanks, specific Leopards since Spring and in his cause they talk about 10 Leopards 2. Also we have already September and soon Winter hit, enough time to train until next summer.

        Second this entire thing is based on the Ringtausch, which turned into a failure and is just a gamble from Scholz to not send Tanks to Ukraine. Eastern Nato still need their Armies intact with working systems and could not just gave their old soviet shit to Ukraine. They need training same as the Ukrainians and Orders even from South Korea or US take Years.

        Germany has Tanks which aren't even in Military Service, they are Tanks from the Defense Industry like KMW. Literally pic related, exact this Tank which I post could be in Ukraine and doing God work.

        MHV has some good work but he isn't always right and act like a typical German

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          forget pic

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're wrong about a lot of things.
          1. They will never get 2 battalions of Leopards. Even if we pretend they just need 1 battalion to make it worth it, they likely won't reach that number either.
          2. It's not based on the Ringtausch.
          3. Germany is rebuilding its armies and needs those tanks, Ukraine won't get a significant number of them.
          4. Where the hell has Ukraine ever begged for Leopards in particular?
          5. How many tanks does KMW have in storage and whom are they meant to go to? They have running contracts with other nations and need to deliver, without the approval of those nations KMW can't send them anywhere else.
          6. You are clearly both only half-inflrmed and biased. Do better.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1. They will never get 2 battalions of Leopards. Even if we pretend they just need 1 battalion to make it worth it, they likely won't reach that number either.
            That was about the 10 Leopards from Spain which is pretty much outdated

            >2. It's not based on the Ringtausch.
            The East Nato Member giving Tanks was based on the Ringtausch which turn into a mess. And outside of that, Poland still needs Tanks and like I said it the US or South Korea can't summon Tanks out of their asses. Poland still needs a Army and they already gave enough, Its time to Germany give their part

            >3. Germany is rebuilding its armies and needs those tanks, Ukraine won't get a significant number of them.
            First Germany don't need Leopards 1. And where the BW ever stated that they need more Leopards 2? Did they raise a new Tank Battalion? No

            >4. Where the hell has Ukraine ever begged for Leopards in particular?
            https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/olaf-scholz-lehnt-bitte-der-ukraine-um-mehr-schwere-waffen-ab-a-77b7ab6f-2065-4b9e-9487-c7a854019a1f This week and before that several times. Merz is even calling for Leopards 2 https://www.rnd.de/politik/leopard-2-panzer-fuer-ukraine-merz-spricht-sich-fuer-lieferung-an-kiew-aus-IYRGPBZUVAQHH6C6P42MBXID2Y.html

            >5. How many tanks does KMW have in storage and whom are they meant to go to? They have running contracts with other nations and need to deliver, without the approval of those nations KMW can't send them anywhere else.
            https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/plus240879705/Ukraine-Krieg-Gar-keine-Bereitschaft-Scholz-blockiert-Milliarden-Lieferung-von-Panzern.html
            A fucking offer from KMW ITSELF. 100 Leopards 2 and 88 Leopards 1

            >6. You are clearly both only half-inflrmed and biased. Do better.
            Before you getting cocky and calling people in "half-inflrmed and biased" do your own Homework. Nice on Retards. I'm not your personal source employee. Do better and sorry I insulted your favorite youtuber lol and fuck off moron

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That was about the 10 Leopards from Spain which is pretty much outdated
              NOBODY ELSE OFFERED ANY.
              >inb4 Germany blocked it
              Germany agreed the same day Spain finally asked.
              >Ringtausch
              Irrelevant for Leos. You retard.
              >Its time to Germany give their part
              Germany has given more than enough charity for Ukraine already and considering the permanent ingratitude I wouldn't expect much more.
              >First Germany don't need Leopards 1
              Germany never offered any.
              >Leopard2
              The old capacities are being rebuilt, once the current battalions are filled you can talk about expansion, before that ukraine won't get shit.
              >This week and before that several times. Merz is even calling for Leopards 2
              That was an offer of KMW, Ukraine is not gonna get 100 Leo2A7s while Germany is rebuilding you retard. The fact that you think eastern countries sending soviet shitcans is comparable to that is absolutely insane.
              And Merz isn't governing or Ukranian.
              >A fucking offer from KMW ITSELF. 100 Leopards 2 and 88 Leopards 1
              Doesn't matter much when Germany has dibs on the Leopard2s, does it?
              And Ukraine doesn't want Leopard1s.
              >waaah waaah
              Keep crying.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You are posting bullshit, post SOURCE
                >NOOO this source doesn’t matter
                >Its different!
                I did my part with providing a source and you are responding with coping. Meanwhile you come up without any facts or sources, like any sources who stated that Germany needs those Leo2. Now your change the subject in „Well it doesn’t matter because its not the German Government or Scholz“. You fucking Thread is just Germany stronk/int/ shitposting.

                Touch some Sun. Im not wasting my time with you lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Scholz just blocked the sale of new tanks to Ukraine. Not even donations, Ukraine was asking about buying them. And they wouldn't have even started delivery for three years.

          Seriously, fuck Germany, they had no problem helping Russia to arm, they've sent $64 BILLION to Russia in gas payments so far this year, but they only promised Ukraine six tanks and they haven't even delivered those because of political handwringing and stalling.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're severely misinformed.
            No, I won't argue with you about it, I don't disagree in principle, but every number you named is wrong and so are the facts hou mentioned.
            Stop following the news via twitter.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Norway has just sent 160 Hellfire missiles along with some NVGs
    https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2022-09-08-norway-to-donate-about-160-hellfire-missiles-and-night-vision-devices-to-ukraine.HyxEPZBPxo.html
    https://www.tu.no/artikler/attende-vapendonasjon-fra-norge-denne-gang-er-det-hellfire-missiler/522074

    This puts the total amount of shit Norway has sent to:
    -160 Hellfire missiles (with required platforms and fire control systems)
    -An unkown number of NVGs
    -1500 bulletproof vests
    -5000 helmets
    -15000 field rations (not so much i know, but they're very good)
    -1000 gas masks (with filters)
    -2000 sleeping bags
    -10000 sleeping mats
    -4000 M72 LAWs
    -100 Mistral AA missiles
    -22 M109A3GN Self-propelled artillery (along with 10 000 155mm shells)
    -14 Iveco LAV 3
    -An unknown number of Black Hornet 3-nanodrones and Nightfighter anti-drone systems to a value of roughly 19 million euros in cooperation with the UK
    -3 M270 MLRS (also in cooperation with the UK, IIRC we sent our mothballed vehicles to the UK for upgrades and the UK sent their already upgraded ones)
    -Training and material support for the NASAMS that the US donated
    -Assisting in training of Ukie troops in the UK
    -A fuckload of money to aid in humanitary stuff, budget aid, agriculture, health sector stuff etc. Also they will contribute 40 million euros (maybe) to a UK led fund for future equipment purchases

    Just throwing it in here since it was a thread about inventory, and the hellfire news came today.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any idea about how many military goods Russia has received from his allies?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1 crowdfunded Aliexpress drone that later got sold on ebay
      2 crowdfunded crutches
      2000 spoiled Chinese MREs
      1 grab bag of gardening and crafting tools
      40 involuntarily donated washing machines

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and an alcoholic bydlo in a pear tree!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently a million north korean artillery shells.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's like 1/60 of the russian annual military budget, without even including the classified parts.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    this whole war is just about protecting the billions of investments made into ukraine these past 8 years, isnt it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >billions of investments made into ukraine these past 8 years

      Rofl, lmao even. Foreign investments plummeted since 2014. Guess why.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Loans are also an investment, durr.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They aren't, and your point is pretty stupid all around.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How is it not an investment? If Ukraine collapsed and Russia said "fuck you" to those huge loans given to Ukraine, it could rock a few boats. They're not Russia's debt after all. Well, this is just my benefit of the doubt. I'd rather suspect that there's bigger things at play than what is officially said, because officially these past 9 years look so stupid in hindsight. Despite me supporting the Kievan uprising at the time. After learning a thing and two about the EU, I only see it as a massive folly.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Basically but retards like [...]
              will pretend these 'investments' are legal and not just wholesale bribery and ownership of the Ukrainian government. Ukraine is basically one big money laundering scheme for our congress, it's not accident Joe's crackkhead son "worked" there.

              >extremely relevant countries like the freshly joined balts, poles and Romania were for it
              >everybody else in Europe wasn't
              Shocking that that didn't work.
              [...]
              He's retarded, but there actually were billions in investments in Ukraine since 2014.

              russian posts

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is completely corrupt and Putin and his oligarchs do everything only for money
                >We are the saviours of democracy and give our all just to save poor Ukrainians
                really

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Russia is completely corrupt and Putin and his oligarchs do everything only for money

                Correct

                >We are the saviours of democracy

                Correct

                >give our all just to save poor Ukrainians

                It's 90% to contain Russian autism to manageable levels, but the fact that we're helping people in the process is also nice.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >saviours of democracy
                cool, when do we start actually listening to what the people vote for

                >helping people
                i dont remember anyone in my country voting to give their livelihood to help ukrainians.

                you guys always erroneously conflate democracy with altruism. remember mylos.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >when do we start actually listening to what the people vote for

                The people overwhelmingly support arms deliveries and other support to Ukraine.

                >i dont remember anyone in my country voting to give their livelihood to help ukrainians.

                If aiding Ukraine is good for us geopolitically, and it's a morally good thing to do, why would we give a shit about your whining? You should have built LNG terminals or nuclear during the eight year period where it was obvious something like this was going to happen.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because we dont live in a democracy but a demagogy, and whatever "consent" that the people give is misinformed and thus invalid, you jackboot licking piece of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DISAGREE WITH ME
                >THAT ISN'T A REAL DEMOCRACERINO

                cry more fag

                PS: if you knew anything about US history you'd know that the exact same thing happened with the last Lend-Lease

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >PS: if you knew anything about US history you'd know that the exact same thing happened with the last Lend-Lease
                Not him but that obviously wasn't a good idea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >all of Europe is controlled by totalitarian fags who keep bothering us
                >support the second most powerful faction against the most powerful faction
                >immediately turn on them after the war
                >today, Russia is an impotent rump state that can only bother people in 20% of Ukraine, as opposed to owning half of Europe, and the rest of Europe are free to whine about us saving their asses

                It was a great idea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >good guys lost
                >bad guys kept half of europe for the rest of the century
                >badguys infiltrated american academia and ruined it permanently
                It was a terrible idea.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If they were the good guys they shouldn't have declared war on us.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                America was at war with Germany in all but name for years before that, what the hell?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No we weren't lol. Shipping supplies is not the same thing as putting eight million people in uniform and spending 25% of GDP on war production.

                The Germans were retards that didn't understand that America depended on a favorable balance of power, and didn't understand that America had the capacity and willingness to hurt them very badly if provoked. Terrific tacticians, awful strategists.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Shipping supplies
                You think that's all?
                Wew, google a bit buttboy. Or make a thread on here about it, they come up from time to time. A bit shocking that you're so new you've never seen one.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >yeah bro, we had like three skirmishes between the Coast Guard and U-boats and a peacetime draft
                >totally the same thing as converting your entire country into a war machine and sending an entire generation of young men into combat

                lol midwit moment

                If you were a non-retard you'd notice that there's a difference between passively supporting one side of a conflict and actively attacking the other side with every available resource.

                Of course, the Germans were also too stupid to see that difference until it was too late, so maybe you have something in common with them.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >>yeah bro, we had like three skirmishes between the Coast Guard and U-boats and a peacetime draft
                Not even close to what I meant.
                Anon, you're completely out of your depth, it's not even funny.
                I'm serious,go make a thread and let people who care more than I do educate you. You're not even informed enough to talk to seriously.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Americans got to split the world between them and the weak and poor soviets, with the european powers reduced to second rate had beens or pawns.

                WW2 was very good for the US. They were lucky to have FDR and Churchill seeing that the nascent anglo-american hegemony was more important than short term profits and Germany becoming a land empire to the Urals. The URSS was unironically a confy enemy easily dismissed with propaganda and proxy wars, compared with that future they avoided.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The URSS was unironically a confy enemy easily dismissed with propaganda and proxy wars, compared with that future they avoided.
                Ah yes, trannies and chemically castrated children while America becomes less white by the day as it gets overrun by foreigners because the soviets infiltrated colleges and the civil rights movement is a better outcome.
                MLK's speeches were written by an unironic communist.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                meds

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >"We are the saviours of democracy"
                >feels the need to post anonymously
                anon, you have no salvation, just continue

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >investing money on a country at war
      based polish businessman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Basically but retards like

      >billions of investments made into ukraine these past 8 years

      Rofl, lmao even. Foreign investments plummeted since 2014. Guess why.

      will pretend these 'investments' are legal and not just wholesale bribery and ownership of the Ukrainian government. Ukraine is basically one big money laundering scheme for our congress, it's not accident Joe's crackkhead son "worked" there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >protecting your investments by blowing them up

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    btw i wonder how bundeswehr will defend scholz land since scholz gifted everything useable to abroad?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bundeswehr
      >Defend
      Lmao, the USA in Germany contingent alone will btfo any invading force

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They may thank her because it basically means they need to get new shit finally, and are in a situation where there is no way around procuring new stuff, instead of what was previously going on where the Bundestag could twiddle their thumbs and go "but isn't the old stuff good enough? We aren't even fighting a war so the old stuff is fine, you don't need anything," which resulted in the Bundeswehr running around with old stuff that they had trouble being able to keep running.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon...
    >* Deliveries from industry stocks financed by German funds for security capacity building. Some of the deliveries require upgrades or productions is ongoing; also training measures take place.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germany plan still involves allying themselves with China and Russia once the EU falls apart.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >not even close to what I meant.
    >Anon, you're completely out of your depth, it's not even funny.
    >I'm serious,go make a thread and let people who care more than I do educate you. You're not even informed enough to talk to seriously.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stay ignorant if you prefer that.
      Look up bases for destroyers for one of many examples. I won't help you more than that if you're unable to reflect.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Look up bases for destroyers

        >he thinks I don't know what that is
        >he doesn't know that that was a small fraction of the total dollar value of Lend-Lease
        >he doesn't know that Lend-Lease was an infinitesimally small fraction of what the US spent on the actual war when Germany declared war on it
        >he thinks anybody other than him is impressed by his middle school understanding of history
        >he is still too stupid to understand why declaring war on the world's largest industrial power is a bad idea

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks any of that matters
          >he thinks shipping equipment us the only thing you can do
          >he is literally that illiterate
          >moron can't even read
          Lmao

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    honestly a good way to clear our old inventory

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zelesnky: why no aircraft carrier screw you nadsi germans

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>he thinks any of that matters
    >>he thinks shipping equipment us the only thing you can do
    >>he is literally that illiterate
    can't even read
    >Lmao

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do I never see these threads for the UK or Italy?

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any news about IRIS-T?

  26. 3 weeks ago
    /out/ie

    Germans are starving as we speak.
    Check out their food prices!
    3.49€ for a pound of minced beef!
    We have to do something!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not sure if people here know the Germanic 500g pound.

      • 3 weeks ago
        /out/ie

        Isn't the imperial pound around 500g as well?

        More food prices, one pineapple for 1.49€, Germans drop because of scorbut and beriberi as we speak. Also, behold my garden knife!

        • 3 weeks ago
          /out/ie

          Imperial pound is 453g, close enough.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But do you have real murican cheeseburger investment? Thought not.

          • 3 weeks ago
            /out/ie

            Why would i do that instead of getting a fresh one?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That knife looks dull as fuck.

          https://i.imgur.com/yofdov6.jpg

          Germans are starving as we speak.
          Check out their food prices!
          3.49€ for a pound of minced beef!
          We have to do something!

          >paying more than 6€/kg for any cut of meat
          ngmi

          • 3 weeks ago
            /out/ie

            >knife looks dull
            Takeit back, you fucking benchod! RIGHT NOW!
            Nobody shit talks my knaifu.

            • 3 weeks ago
              /out/ie

              The chipped parts act as a serration emulator.
              You wouldn't understand, it's beyond your technology.
              It's beyond technology.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Eh, I dunno, I'll need a timestamped video of it cutting anything for shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                /out/ie

                Which nobody will provide, since nobody cares about you.

                Buy in Aldi instead.

                Prices between Aldi, Lidl, Kaufland and Netto are mostly the same, doesn't matter.

                Being less pro-Ukraine ensured the gas was turned offsliwly instead of all at once. Something all those eastern european countries profited from while they complained about Germany buying Ruseian gas, because they bought German gas.
                Or to be more precise, Russian gas with Germany as the middleman.
                Other than that, people always seem to forget that Germany can't just throw old soviet shit it wants to get rid of anyway at Ukraine and new gear costs money and takes time to produce. Both factors that are better spent on their own armed forces.
                >inb4 retards screeching that Germany doesn't need no army while writing paragraphs about fantasies of conquering Germany
                You know who you are.

                Yeah, picrel.

                https://i.imgur.com/hOquD27.png

                You added zero info though? How was gas dependence reduced between 2021 and 2022?
                You're the lying cunt it seems looking at the data

                You answered your own question, and it supports that other anons conclusion. How does it feel to out yourself as stupid, thirdworlder?

                https://i.imgur.com/LfMZp7Z.jpg

                >28k helmets
                >10 tons of Adblue
                >2 fridges
                Why are Germans like this

                The fridges complement the cooling that was delivered with the complete field hospitals, they are for blood conserves, medicine and such stuff. Sources for each of the items is on Wikipedias list, which is a bit more comprehensive and includes humanitarian aid as well.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >P*lacks being retarded
                What else is new?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Which nobody will provide, since nobody cares about you.
                LMAO, you cared enough to reply, moron.

                >P*lacks being retarded
                What else is new?

                You know that's shooped, right?

              • 3 weeks ago
                /out/ie

                >You know that's shooped, right?
                It's not, India blames NATO and USA more than Russia.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm talking about the German flag in there, stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                /out/ie

                Nah, that makes sense.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >You answered your own question, and it supports that other anons conclusion. How does it feel to out yourself as stupid, thirdworlder?

                >burns more gas in 2022 than in 2020
                How is that a reduction in gas dependence retard?

              • 3 weeks ago
                /out/ie

                >burns more gas in 2022 than in 2020
                2020: 59 tera watt hours gas
                2022: 44 tera watt hours gas

                If only you could into math.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Learn to read moron that 2022 fig is only for the first 6 months. And you're calling others stupid.

              • 3 weeks ago
                /out/ie

                How much gas do you think we will get from Russia in the second half of the year? Answer is none. It's guaranteed that we burn less Russian gas this year than 2020.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Buy in Aldi instead.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    /out/ie

    As for energy prices, my gas price is stable till mid next year, so is the gas price for 97% of my local energy provider.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    /out/ie

    Also, Russia will fold within a fortnight.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do Germans think that by being less pro-Ukraine that Russia will make any distinction in their behavior? It was rejecting agreements with the EU that kicked the revolution off 10 years ago.

    Or is simply that German frugality cannot be matched? You get Lidl-aid only lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Being less pro-Ukraine ensured the gas was turned offsliwly instead of all at once. Something all those eastern european countries profited from while they complained about Germany buying Ruseian gas, because they bought German gas.
      Or to be more precise, Russian gas with Germany as the middleman.
      Other than that, people always seem to forget that Germany can't just throw old soviet shit it wants to get rid of anyway at Ukraine and new gear costs money and takes time to produce. Both factors that are better spent on their own armed forces.
      >inb4 retards screeching that Germany doesn't need no army while writing paragraphs about fantasies of conquering Germany
      You know who you are.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >screeching that Germany doesn't need no army while writing paragraphs about fantasies of conquering Germany
        It's a ploy I tell you
        >Poland acting like they'll attack germany any year now
        >Germany rearms to defend against crazy poles
        >Russia attacks
        >Poland asking on their knees for forgiveness
        >Everything is forgiven (also NATO and EU obligations) and they kick russian ass together

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >European gas prices are coming down
    >European gas storage is at 80% will be 95% full by November
    >Once full, Europe with have 3 month reserve of gas.

    Thanks for helping us get through winter, Putin.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Also most german voters seem to support Ukraine, even the left wingers, with the sole exception of the neonazis (what a coincidence, right?)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No coincidence at all, the Kremlin supports everything in the West that has a corrosive influence on the status quo and creates dissent towards democracies.

        Like Gaddafi back then; he supported right radicals in Western Germany, the PLO, the IRA etc etc

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The fact that even 60% of the Left and 30% of the AfD support Ukraine shows how badly they fucked up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I am an AfD supporter and I support weapon deliveries because I hope we will get a hot war soon. Fuck this gay earth.

            • 3 weeks ago
              /out/ie

              >I am an AfD
              Opinion discarded.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only party that is against limitless immigration.
                I supported them until a few years ago they just became totally retarded about it. Not gonna risk being watched by spooks over those idiots. No wonder they like russia like the retard boomer chuds they are.
                Fun fact, there is a strong overlap between people who were against covid restrictions and people who are now on the russian side. Sometimes in the same internet groups. Everything in germany that is against the mainstream is being financed by russia, and far too many of them fall for the russian propaganda.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not using the Wahlomat to figure out which newly formed party to vote for
                ngmi

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >AFD
        >Neonazis
        ok retard

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