fuel is stored in the doors

fuel is stored in the doors

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    actually works as decent armor against HMGs and small arms... you know, until something big hits the rear doors and it starts burning up.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      or until the belt has even a single APTI or any other kind of tracer

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Hnnngrrrh, I'm trying to sneak around but I'm dummy thicc and the sloshing fuel in my ass tanks keeps alerting ukrops.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >oh no, I'm stuck behind these rocks because of my big rear, help! anyone! hnnng! ... he-elp!
      >who's that whispering behind me?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The rear of the vehicle is the least likely to be shot at during a traditional non city fighting battle
    >Diesel fuel is not flammable
    >lower's the silhouette
    it's not that retarded of an idea all things considered

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Plus they can always dump the fuel if they want to.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Yukari

      >DIESEL FUEL IS NOT FLAMMABLE
      >FUEL FOR AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE DOES NOT BURN

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        correct, moron

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It is in fact incorrect. It is still flammable.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The rear of the vehicle is the least likely to be shot at during a traditional non city fighting battle
          >Diesel fuel is not flammable
          >lower's the silhouette
          it's not that retarded of an idea all things considered

          I've used diesel to start campfires dumbfuck. It does burn.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, after you let it seep in and produce some vapors. You can't just dump it on some wood and throw a match on immediately and expect it to light. Like motor oil, it'll burn but not easily

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hey, tripfag, why did the Swedes use jerrycans full of DIESEL as side skirts with the SV 103?
        Why did EVERY military shit to diesel after WW2?
        Because its MUCH LESS flammable than regular gasoline you moron.
        Put some diesel on the floor and hold a lighter against it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Yukari
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All fucking tripfags must fucking hang

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Put some diesel on the floor and hold a lighter against it
          I'm not falling for that one again anon, last time I listened to you guys I was in the newspaper for blowing up my toilet with a grenade.
          You're not getting me again you fuckers.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Put some diesel on the floor and hold a lighter against it
          Put some on your pants and hold a lighter against that, you waterhead

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You wanna know whats hotter than a lighter?
          E X P L O S I V E S

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you being retarded on purpose ?.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        diesel ignites under pressure dumbshit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Yukari

          Are you being retarded on purpose ?.

          Hey, tripfag, why did the Swedes use jerrycans full of DIESEL as side skirts with the SV 103?
          Why did EVERY military shit to diesel after WW2?
          Because its MUCH LESS flammable than regular gasoline you moron.
          Put some diesel on the floor and hold a lighter against it

          correct, moron

          All fucking tripfags must fucking hang

          brains smoother than glass and all brain cells out the window because you need to "own" an attention seeking trip
          >Conventional diesel flash points vary between 52 and 96 °C
          in other words, once the temperature of the fuel tanks reach 125 degrees and are still exposed to flame or a spark, you get some sticks of human charcoal and an unrecoverable BMP.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no
            the temperature of the fuel tanks can reach 125 degrees only if it was warmed up by the burning ammo and bodies inside
            or outside, because the driver is dead and can't drive out of the fire

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Actually it can. If diesel use common rail. Fuel is heated in common rail and pumped back into tank. Its very bad design for AFV but its used sometimes.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you're right, BMP does have an excess fuel drainage from the fine fuel filter and back into the tanks
                how fast will it warm up to 125 degrees given its fuel consumption, fuel capacity, and the fact that the engineers have tried to minimize that excess flow hitting the filter - no idea

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                are you factoring in "a bunch of .50 API" to your heat calculations? because that seems relevant to the question of whether a BMP will burn

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                may be bad during summer
                https://www.scribd.com/document/269078661/Chances-of-Vehicle-Fire

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the temperature of the fuel tanks can reach 125 degrees only if it was warmed up by the burning ammo and bodies inside
              It can reach 125 degrees if you provide it with a highly energetic ignition source, such as an incendiary bullet. Once you've got a decent fire going it handles the heating itself. If diesel was unable to sustain the chain reaction of heating itself to its flashpoint through combustion it wouldn't be used as fucking fuel.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It detonates under compression you absolute fuckwit. Gasoline engines use spark plugs for ignition. Diesel engines do not. Diesel needs a good wick and a lot of consistent heat to burn. One incendiary round is not going to last long enough to ignite the liquid. Hell, even several won’t last long enough, you need to heat up the liquid, which is really good at moving that thermal energy around within itself. So you have to heat up a rather large amount with a rather large amount of kilocals before it gets dangerous.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're pretty fucking retarded.
            Diesel works by compression, you can ignite it with fire but it takes much longer to do so even though the flame from a match is approximately 800c. Go hold a match to some diesel fuel and be amazed that it won't ignite, even if you leave it there for a good minute. If a BMP is hit by explosives, it's gonna cook regardless of diesel fuel or not because of the ammo and other combustible materials inside.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I started a camp fire with diesel the other day

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what is flash point
        If you ever bothered to go outside you'd know diesel is significantly less flammable than gas. You're not accidentally burning it with a stray spark like gas

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The HMG hosing it down that would penetrate in the first place (or God forbid RPG7 HEAT warhead) is going to.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What do you think the I in API ammunition stands for?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            India.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Intelligent, because it studied very hard

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Indigestable

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Inshallah

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Icecream

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Interface

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Diesel doesn't produce enough vapours to ignite at room temp, that's why you need to vapourize it in an engine.

        Breaking news for all the kids: it's the vapours emitted by a liquid that mix with oxygen to burn, you cannot set a liquid on fire.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Diesel doesn't produce enough vapor

          What if you shoot it with armor piercing incendiary rounds?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the small amount that qas actually vaporized will flame and instantly go out. the rest will remain liquid and not on fire.

            it really needs to ve aerosolized to burn, or to be under the high temps and pressures of a diesel engine.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        clinical moron or masterful troll

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Incendiary round burns hotter than diesel flash point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          American API rounds seem to use magnesium/aluminum thermite. No way diesel wouldn't go up in flames

          https://patents.google.com/patent/US2398287A/en

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          American API rounds seem to use magnesium/aluminum thermite. No way diesel wouldn't go up in flames

          https://patents.google.com/patent/US2398287A/en

          the small amount that qas actually vaporized will flame and instantly go out. the rest will remain liquid and not on fire.

          it really needs to ve aerosolized to burn, or to be under the high temps and pressures of a diesel engine.

          Diesel needs Compression + Heat to ignite. Anything other than vaporized diesel is questionable/unrealistic. Best question is how much diesel can be vaporised?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No it needs to be heated to the point of ignition which is higher than gasoline, but not necessarily high enough that an API round won't heat enough of it to catch then warming the rest causing it to catch. The energy needed isn't as much as you think. Especially with an MG nailing the back

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is certainly a partially correct statement.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To burn there needs to be oxygen. Its quite a complicated situation to cause damage from the fuel. Need a through penetration and follow up shots or a mobility kill and external door penetration. On balance there is some extra armor protection from the fuel and more importantly fuel range. I've worked with burning diesel, once preignited with gasoline it burns like a big smoky but tractable candle. Not scary. generates radiant heat so you will be leaving the vehicle if mobility killed. Upside provides instant smokescreen.

          IMHO the only conclusion that can be drawn is the Germans were pussies compared to Communists (Germans filled theirs with foam)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

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        I've used diesel to start campfires dumbfuck. It does burn.

        >Diesel fuel is not flammable
        Anon, I...

        learn to fuel retards

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Diesel is basically Kerosene. Needs to be aerosolized to burn. In the video, the wood match stick acts as a wick.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the fuel doesn't become vapors instantly when the tank is hit / ammo catches fire. It will not just combust like gasoline. If you get hit the fire to worry about will be the main gun ammo / explosive shells not the fuel

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/wMuV7gH.gif

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        brains smoother than glass and all brain cells out the window because you need to "own" an attention seeking trip
        >Conventional diesel flash points vary between 52 and 96 °C
        in other words, once the temperature of the fuel tanks reach 125 degrees and are still exposed to flame or a spark, you get some sticks of human charcoal and an unrecoverable BMP.

        take that trip off, you retarded moron. I'm sickened that you'd dirty her name with your shit-for-brains behavior.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Haha holy crap how embarrassing if I was you I jump off a Fucking cliff

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If I were you I would ask my mother for an abortion

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *gestures like you mockingly* “uuuh if Weee weee weee weee RED BARRELS EXPLODE IN VIDEOGAMES”

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              yeah with control of the english language like that you might need a post birth abortion

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                “Uh blea blea blea blea”
                That’s you
                That’s what you sound like

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Diesel fuel is not flammable
      Anon, I...

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's not that retarded of an idea all things considered

      It was so retarded that Soviet soldiers in Afganistan preferred to ride on it, rather than inside. Despite being shot at by towelheads.

      BMPs had several nicknames among grunts, most of them revolving among concepts such as death, tomb and oven.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And this is different to keeping your fuel on board how?

        the reason why they ride outside is because of mines detonating on the vehicle's underside

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >just never be ambushed bro.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vehicle designed to fight WWIII with soviet tactics on the open plains and fields of eastern / western Europe
        yeah there's not much ambushing going on here

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah. Like in Ukraine, right? Being ambushed never happens in peer warfare. It's impossibru.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            again, I'm talking about a Kursk level of fighting with lots of tank / air support and 1950's era of anti tank weapons. This was what the designers had in mind for this vehicle

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shitflinging aside, BMPs were a product of cold war thinking, a Fulda Gap scenario where all of the motor infantry would be riding into battle and not worrying about close-in attacks from the rear like in an urban environment.

      That and their doctrine was usually to use up all the fuel in the door tanks before actually getting into combat, and the proper use being having infantry egress before the shit really hits the fan, means it wasn't as retarded as it looks. The proof is in the history, though- as some anons said, it did NOT fare well in all of the COIN and urban fighting the vatniks have gotten themselves into since developing the BMP. I definitely wouldn't want to ride in one.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Diesel fuel is not flammable
      Jesus Fucking Christ.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hate this board so much sometimes its insane.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          22LR is really all you need/ all purpose and the best caliber around since it bounces around inside and causes more damage.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Diesel fuel is not flammable
          Jesus Fucking Christ.

          you can say anything you want on here as long as you don't have a trip. If you try to convince people the sky is blue and you use a trip code they will ignore you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Diesel is not explosive like gasoline.
      It is very flammable.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Diesel fuel is not flammable
      Oh really?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Did you not see read that video at all? Or watch it at all? Big fuckoff torch required to ignite it. Not one little incendiary round that puts out a quick burst of heat, but a consistent long exposure ignition source. Go out in your back yard and pour out some diesel and try and light it. Won’t start easily. Even if you light a magnesium strip and pop it in it will take a fair bit of time for it to ignite. Not saying it can’t burn, just saying it takes an awful lot for it to do so.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >preburn time
        it's in your own fucking thumbnail you stupid fuck, also,

        Did you not see read that video at all? Or watch it at all? Big fuckoff torch required to ignite it. Not one little incendiary round that puts out a quick burst of heat, but a consistent long exposure ignition source. Go out in your back yard and pour out some diesel and try and light it. Won’t start easily. Even if you light a magnesium strip and pop it in it will take a fair bit of time for it to ignite. Not saying it can’t burn, just saying it takes an awful lot for it to do so.

        This

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Diesel fuel is not flammable

      Diesel is LESS flammable than petrol.

      https://firefighterinsider.com/is-diesel-flammable-yes-and-no/

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty much never used for fuel, they usually fill them with sand instead.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is not that bad as implied.
    What is really bad BMP 1/2 has aluminum fuel tank in troops compartments between troops seat. It is big target to hit in case of penetration also aluminum for fuel tank is bad it greatly enhances incendiary effects.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What is really bad BMP 1/2 has aluminum fuel tank in troops compartments between troops seat.
      If that tank is getting perforated you as a soldier inside the BMP have bigger problems than a potential fire

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get what the big deal about the BMP is. A fucking WWI tank could rape them in a fight, yet they were treated as a scary new weapon that needed an immediate response.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You must be at least 18 to post here

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can put out a burning cigarette in gasoline.
    Liquids form a decent armour.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Piss something something balls

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You also sit on the fuel inside of the compartment.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >fuel is stored in the doors
    Only in peace time to help on marches. You know that, I know that, you're full of bullshit.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >As flammable as gasoline at those temperatures for returned fuel
    Roasty crunchies in the back of the BMP, just apply API directly.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pee is stored in the balls

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russians aren't that stupid
    These are auxiliary tanks they don't use, in syria they put fruits and sugar inside to make wine

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bitch has a fat ass

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I do believe the door fuel tanks are only used when the vehicle is expected to travel long distances on it's own power.
    I mean think about how nasty it would be for the infantry men to try to open the doors if they were full of diesel fuel.
    The main fuel tanks are situated in the crew compartment under the seats.
    Also diesel fuel isn't highly combustible so it's not that much of a problem.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The idea is that you fill them if you need extra range and if they're not already empty by the time you reach combat then you just dump whatever's left and you still have the internal fuel tanks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes. Because you can predict when you get shot at and how enemy troops operate so precisely you'll know when some random AK wielding infantryman sets your entire IFV on fire due to shit protection and retarded design.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was designed back when drones didn't exist and guided missiles were too expensive to waste on APCs. Those weren't unreasonable assumptions to make.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    So shooting tracers into the door caused the whole vehicle to erupt in flames turning the BMP into an oven instantly? No, will it catch fire? eventually yes, Will it disable the vehicle and make the inhabitants bail out so you can kill them with MG fire? yeah. So

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >OH NONONO

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon why are you here?Do you really not know what a tracer is?

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2016/05/bmp-2.html#fueldoors

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    The door tanks get disconnected from the fuel system before they get filled with other materials

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    And everybody inside will be dead, diesel or no.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this
      the fuel placement / type is irrelevant when the entire fighting compartment becomes an inferno from the warhead on the ATGM

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >diesel fuel doesn't burn
    >it needs to be heated above room temperature and aerosolized
    What to fuck do you think is going to happen when the tanks get hut, morons?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Temperature doesn't increase much at all.
      Main thing is shrapnel from the disintegrating penetrator and armour

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