Fucked up body.

>Infantry dudes have bad knees, bad neck and a bad back.

>Loads up to 159 lbs. Buddies carrying 120 pounds during patrols in 'Stan.

What's all the stuff they carry?

Is there a list of that stuff?

How could we prevent or limit our guys from getting their bodies fucked up?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't stop it because any system used to reduce weight, like those packmule drones being proposed/tested, will just lead more shit to be carried because even if they are literally just in battle rattle, some gay in Ops will go "well if they don't need to carry that 120lbs of gear, they can carry 120lbs of rations/water instead and be out on patrol 10x as long!"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      brain damaged take

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it’s correct, it’s why you never give 110 percent in any job
        Because then that becomes the baseline expectation

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Another silly, midwit take.

          • 2 weeks ago
            faust

            no, you're just a retarded moron/Hispanick/garden gnome/honkey/slant

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I am giving you my copypasta because I can tell you are unhappy due to your anon name. Hope you feel better anon.

              Try meditation.

              Don’t harm yourself in any way but this monk burned himself to death with little sign of suffering with the power of meditation. Helps with my anxious neurotic personality. Makes life better. One of the best ways to control your own mind. Great for help with depression and suffering.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fighting/patrol order is different to marching order, you braindead, vapid cunt.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >240 gunner above his AG
            >ammo bitch exists
            >grenadier anywhere near top
            >rifleman that low
            I fucking hate the gap between doctrine and reality

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >ammo bearer has the lightest load

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know this is true, and I'm not even military. My dad was and this is his attitude. (No I don't regret it nb4 larper)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What's your point? That it wouldn't happen? That it's a good thing if it did?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like someone with brain damage and is unaware that he has brain damage would say.

        such cases, many

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I mean yeah. Packs for mountaineering expeditions are every bit as heavy because the goal is to be able to stay out for a while and food and fuel isn't light. If you wanted troops to be less vehicle bound you'd have to load them up.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    List it? Woah boy
    1.Body Armor
    2.Weapon
    3.Helmet
    4.Ammo
    5.Water (on person/in ruck)
    6.Ruck (all that follows will be contents)
    7.Sleep system
    8.Spare Uniforms
    9.Wet Weather Uniform
    10.Cold weather equipment
    11.Spare boots
    12.Socks 6xpair
    13.Etool
    14.550 cord
    15.weapons cleaning kit
    16.hygeine kit
    17.Field towel
    18.woobie
    19.poncho x2
    20.sandbags
    21.sector stakes

    That's not even counting mission specific equipment (breaching tools, skedco, at4, spare barrels, ski's, extra water etc)

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How do they walk up steep hills for extended periods with that much weight? Is everyone in infantry a lot more fit than I think they are? Or do they just not do that?
      >t. hiker but not rucker

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes. Light infantry can do it because their bodies are conditioned to the task. You could carry that load too, probably at a faster rate than the general population, providing you condition your body to the task over a given period of time. Common people doing uncommon things.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These fuckers carry individual sandbags around?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they carry empty bags to fill with sand

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ah. Wouldn’t they also carry a shovel in that list aswell?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            tha would be the E tool

            lurk more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >spare boots
      >2x poncho
      ???

      all that shitin the ruck is not 120lbs in any case

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        having your boots break in the middle of nowhere and you having many miles to hike to get anywhere would suck

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you don't wear shit boots. I don't understand why Americans get issued such shit boots

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP it doesn't matter what you do for a living your body is fucked once you enter your mid 30s and only gets worse.
    Infantry? Bodys fucked
    Mechanic? Bodys fucked
    Office? Bodys fucked

    May as well be doing something fun while your joints turn to shit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      At least do some fucking yoga to try a counter it a little. Fucking gay defeatist attitude.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up moron

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    those dudes are just changing fobs. nobody patrols with an assault pack on top of their ruck. my back is fucked up though and the real problem is bulky armor with useless side plates. knees and neck are fine

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bring back the tactical cart

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hiking trailers should be the future of soldier rucking
    >works great in rough terrain, no worse than hiking
    >way less strain on the body
    >military reports show them to result in faster marches
    >if you get in a hairy situation can just unhook/drop them
    >if totally necessary can take off the wheel and wear as a backpack
    Literally no downsides except that it looks a bit goofy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We all know the reality would be "great, this increases the functional load capacity by 60%. Well adopt it and increase the soldier load by 90%" infantry really are disposable in the worst kinds of ways.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They carry too much shit. A WW2 soldier was carrying almost nothing in weight compared to a modern soldier. Look at the Talibans, do they carry shit? Of course not, they don't have backpacks, they don't have armor, helmets, they just wear man dresses, headscarves and sandals.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      absolutely retarded. There should be a minimum IQ test to post here.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The talibans won, you lost. Go check your IQ for real and not on the internet you mutt.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          russia lost
          brown people lost
          NATO won
          white people won

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Hello all,

    Ex Brit Infantry. Passed all arms commando and P course as well as qualified Recce and Sniper (pt.1 & pt.2)

    Served 10 years

    I am one of these guys with a dodgy back and neck specifically. The neck is due to the fact of laying in prone position for extended periods of time with a sniper. I qualified snipers upon entering battalion which was a rarity.

    The knees from kneeling on patrol and lifting bergans all the time.

    Now the back is a condition which is overlooked by a lot of militaries now days, everyone goes directly to disc degeneration as veing the issues, when it is actual fact its a Psoas condition caused by extensive impact specific activities. This causes inflammation and one will go to spasm throwing of the center line of the back. If not fixed it continues and exacerbates the neck and knees until you rehabilitate the psias and strengthen it again (popping hip syndrome is the same thing) if you have a one sided back back and one sided bad nexk, take a look at fixing your psoas)

    A common theme between intra units rivalry and civies vs the military is, x can outrun y, y can out tab z etc etc.

    What all are forgetting is purpose but also, the mental discipline invovled supersedes all forms.of p.t.

    You can have beer gut giys in the sas/sbs, but they've got a good foundation of fitness but then also the mental attitude to just do it. Etc.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what's all the stuff they carry
    Sleeping system, gas mask, spare clothes, chow, and an e-tool off the top of my head
    But nobody patrols with a main pack. That shit would get you killed, thats for long movements from a to b

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