Fuck this fucking guy. Fuck bear crawls. I fucking hate officers fucking retarded fucks.

Fuck this fucking guy. Fuck bear crawls. I fucking hate officers fucking retarded fucks.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    that’s a sergeant major tho

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ah so a super-duper glorified welfare bunny. That's all servicemen are...cannon fodder for the garden gnome and welfare quanzz

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Aww poor widdle boot crying to his internet friends cause he got smoked today? Man the fuck up you sound like a Russian.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Man the fuck up you sound like a Russian.
      I hope so. Have you seen the Russian Army's training video? They made the US snowflake brigade look like gays.
      >Hurr they are losing in Ukraine
      Are they? The garden gnome'd states of fatland fights their wars with drones - The pussy way.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Is this bait or just subhuman thought processes

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Of course it's bait

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          both

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        This is funny bait but it feels like a guy from 2020 got transported 2 years into the future with no explanation

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ah so a super-duper glorified welfare bunny. That's all servicemen are...cannon fodder for the garden gnome and welfare quanzz

      >Man the fuck up you sound like a Russian.
      I hope so. Have you seen the Russian Army's training video? They made the US snowflake brigade look like gays.
      >Hurr they are losing in Ukraine
      Are they? The garden gnome'd states of fatland fights their wars with drones - The pussy way.

      Try harder dude

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      wtf is that gif? Some jungle bunny nutting on the mayor of Chicago?

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I fucking hate officers
    Without officers you can never be a real military that wins wars. Cope, sneed, and pick up my uniform from the cleaners.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The problem is that the officer corps is too distanced from enlisted personnel. Think that military service should be more like an internship. Everyone does four years as enlisted, and then you get the option to either go NCO or O, with O selection being reserved for those who were out performers.

      Service for officership.

      It would also weed out a lot of the garden gnomes in officer service which would naturally lead to less politics and race/sex based diversity quota promotions.

      Right now you either have to be a moron, a garden gnome, or a female to consider joining.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I hate to break it to you, but officers do need to be distant from enlisted personnel. If they're too attached, they can't properly lead them. Officers aren't your boys, they're your leaders. They have to make tough decisions that will cost lives.

        That doesn't mean they should be impersonal or assholes tho

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Every lieutenant I had couldn't lead themselves out of a paper bag
          Doing four years in college and then however long OCS is doesn't actually prepare you to be a "leader", you're just a signature while your platoon sergeants and squad leaders actually run the platoon

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Doing four years in college and then however long OCS is doesn't actually prepare you to be a "leader", you're just a signature while your platoon sergeants and squad leaders actually run the platoon

            Yea no shit guy. That literally tell us this in OCS. It actually turns out that being a 2LT isn't the peak of an officer's career. From your perspective as a PFC the only officers you ever talk to are LTs, so you don't see the long term growth of that officer into CPT/MAJ/LTC.

            An officer spends 3 to 4 years as a LT. Once you hit CPT people expect you to know what the fuck is going on.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Funny that captains were even more useless than lieutenants, then. Giving a libo brief and going to meetings doesn't count as leadership either. Actually accomplishing a mission is.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Everything you did in the military was because an officer told you to or let it happen. You don't have to see what Company Commander is doing, but he is most likely always doing something. Probably your NJP-ing your stupid ass.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >thinking the Company Commander even writes his own NJPs
                He's literally only there to read from a script and do what his 1stsgt says

                You picked quite possibly the best example I can think of in regards to "officers are only there to fill a chair"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know about the USMC but army officers definitely write their own NJP and UCMJ actions wtf. You sound like you're on the wrong side of dunning-kruger lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know how the army works but if any senior enlisted is letting his officer write NJPs they're wrong, straight up
                That's like half of what the E-8 schoolhouse is about

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                whattt? The marines are wild. The commander is the only person in an army unit with punishment/administrative action authority. Even when he delegates that task to an officer junior to him or an NCO it falls on him to make sure it's done properly. I didn't know that about the marine corps (if its true).

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You are correct that the final decision of the punishment falls to the company/battalion commander. But what I was saying is that the CO or the BC will NEVER write the NJP proper. Like I said in the post you replied to, the majority of the 1stsgt's course is basically learning how to do paperwork.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Lol. Lmao even. You think 1SGs could write article 15s?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            A colonel once told me officerhood is essentially apprenticeship. A LT is basically apprenticing to be a captain, a captain is learning to be a major, etc etc.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The most accurate descriptor I've ever heard for the officer corps was that they're glorified managers.

              Some of them actually do have a vital function, but most of them are simply there to sponge up a paycheck while actual workers and supervisors accomplish what needs to be done

              Which is why it's extremely funny when people like

              I hate to break it to you, but officers do need to be distant from enlisted personnel. If they're too attached, they can't properly lead them. Officers aren't your boys, they're your leaders. They have to make tough decisions that will cost lives.

              That doesn't mean they should be impersonal or assholes tho

              who don't know what they're talking about spout off about officers being "leaders"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Most of everyone in the military is there to soak up a paycheck with the exception of special operators and fighter pilots, officers arent unique in that regard

                A company CO and XO have, realistically, the same leadership abilities as a squad leader. Think of how many people actually "answer" to them in a traditional sense- the platoon commanders and sergeants. Of those, the platoon sergeants almost certainly know more about what they're doing than the XO, since they have 8+ years of experience compared to maybe the XO's one or two actually in the military, so they're usually left to their own devices.

                Which means the Company Commander is essentially only actually responsible for the various butterbars under his command. Not exactly impressive

                The xo is there to make logistics work, nobody in their right mind would ask them to lead a platoon assault (though they should know how to do this). Its part of the apprenticeship - a huge portion of what officers do is logistics. Nobody ITT has mentioned the property book for example - this unique piece of hell sits squarely on the officers and is worse than being shot at.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >most of the military is there to soak up a paycheck
                That's only true if you're looking at the past five years. Extend the timeline out even a little bit further and there were still units doing combat deployments. Just because 11th Marine Regiment hasn't gone anywhere recently doesn't mean they're useless.

                And I'm aware of an officer's duty in regards to logistics. What I've been disputing in this thread is that officers are "leaders". Because they really aren't.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Is the President a leader?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                To his political party? Yes.
                To the military? Not really.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                you seem to be confusing titles with competence

                which appears to be a fucking epidemic among commissioned officers

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Moving the goalposts. A leader in this case is a position. Whether or not they are a good or bad leader is irrelevant. They are still a leader and are tasked with that responsibility.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                those weren't my goalposts, you've failed to meet either of them though (the other anon's goalposts were that officers were leaders, which you haven't established outside saying they have the responsibility of leadership - unless you want to posit that the military command apparatus meets all of its responsibilities)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I get it anon, you're super butthurt about officers. But do you think it's mere coincidence they are the ones in charge? They are tasked with leadership. Is a command sergeant major not a leader because he's so far up he doesn't directly work with PFCs?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                i'm in agreement with

                I think you don't understand what a "leader" is. The president is the commander in chief of the U.S. military and is in command of the joint chiefs of staff, but he's not a "leader" to them.

                , here, you genuinely don't understand what leadership is

                having the "leader" title and its responsibilities doesn't make you a competent leader, and lacking the title doesn't preclude competent leadership.

                you've not really provided any evidence that officership even correlates with leadership competence, you just keep repeating their title's theoretical responsibilities

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Some leaders are competent and some are not. Also this started with anon pointing out officers needed to be distant from enlisted in order to properly lead. That is correct. And in this context "lead" is a position. Has nothing to do with competence.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                well if the best you can do is waffle, i suppose that's still an improvement over "the rank says they need leadership so they must have it"

                "lead" is not a position in any context, it is an action. leadership is a quality of that action. a leader is, in this discussion (because this discussion is not a simple recitation of the responsibilities of a given rank), one in possession of quality leadership skills.

                a disconnect from the targets of leadership implies the opposite of competent leadership, regardless of how much officers would like to convince themselves that their ignorance and intractability to their own charges is a necessary laziness to the function of their positions (that is not correct)

                although i suppose it is entirely consistent with the quality of leadership offered by officers to believe their rank has nothing to do with competence

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >a leader is, in this discussion (because this discussion is not a simple recitation of the responsibilities of a given rank), one in possession of quality leadership skills.
                No, you made that up. The discussion is about officers needing to be distant from enlisted in order to lead properly. And they do.
                >a disconnect from the targets of leadership implies the opposite of competent leadership, regardless of how much officers would like to convince themselves that their ignorance and intractability to their own charges
                No. In fact, it's actually illegal for officers to be buddy-buddy with enlisted. That's called fraternization. The military has made it like this for a purpose.

                Also, I'm not an officer.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >you made the entire discussion up because i've clearly shat up the "read the dictionary" part of the discussion

                you're definitely officer material

                >actually illegal for officers to be buddy-buddy with enlisted
                >thinks the scale of relationship with subordinates is a binary between aloof disconnection and literally fucking them

                your autism belongs here

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >dictionary
                >Lead: be in charge or command of.
                In the case of the commanding the officers need to do necessitates a distance between them and enlisted.

                By the way,

                https://www.military.com/spousebuzz/blog/2014/06/dont-hang-enlisted-fraternization-line.html

                Lt. Col was canned and career ended because he was too friendly with the enlisted.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >thread complaining about officers
                >literally full of officers or officer wannabees complaining
                discussions like these make me wonder why command schools even exist
                is it too much to just do the fucking job? it's not like conscription's a real thing anymore, you've kinda got to choose to be there

                also, you may want to uh... actually read that article lol. it's not exactly supportive of your point

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >read that article
                Did you? He was too friendly with his enlisted. He got his career ended. My point was that being too friendly with your enlisted is fraternization. That perfectly illustrates it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the whole article is complaining that "fraternization" doesn't have a useful meaning - hell, the recommendation made was for fucking counseling, not getting shitcanned:
                >The investigation suggested "counseling and remedial training" as punishment. And yet, instead of that relatively light consequence, Perry was instead booted from command, moved across base, ordered to have no interaction with the squadron, given a career ending evaluation and PCSed to another duty station.
                makes me inclined to believe the implications the article makes are correct and "fraternization" was just the public line for the actual reason he got yeeted. kind of undermines using it as an example for the "perils of fraternization"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's easy to talk shit when you've never been in that position. The people that gripe the most about incompetent leaders tend to incompetent leaders themselves when the chips are down.

                You have literally offered nothing constructive to this discussion since you started posting. I bet you were just a typical shamming E4 when you were in too, mad that officers sat in BN HQ playing on their phones while you swept rocks. If it's so easy, get a degree, go tonOCS/ROTC and do it yourself.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                it's ultimately a philosophical discussion about the nature of leadership and the problems caused by the cases where a position with leadership responsibilities is held by an individual lacking leadership competence
                i've never been stupid enough to enlist. you sound weirdly defensive, why?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >He's a neverserve

                I'm leaving this thread. You aren't worth talking to. You're complaining about officers because of memes you've seen in movies. Fuck outta here dude.

                You watched Generation Kill for the first time and think you understand what the military is supposed to be like.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >he's never been in
                Wow fuck off retard.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                High fucking lel. The "y-you haven't done it yourself" argument is easily the most pathetic one. I've been a fly on the wall in plenty of battalion staff meetings and they're 80% bullshit, 20% operation logistics, and 0% actual leadership.

                I don't understand why officers get so incredibly buttmad when I point out that they're middle managers. You'd think the paycheck and people saluting would dull the blow, but I guess there's something about the chip on the shoulder over not enlisting that never goes away

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I've been a fly on the wall in plenty of battalion staff meetings
                So you weren't contributing shit? >and they're 80% bullshit
                Aka things you literally didn't understand

                >0% actual leadership
                Yea because staff officers lead their staff sections not the entire battalion

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Depends on what you mean by contributing shit. My company guns was a drunk so I had to go to the battalion ops meetings for a couple weeks
                And yoyre misunderstanding what i mean by bullshit. It was just petty sniping and posturing to try and look good in front of the XO.... like all middle mamagement sycophants do

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I think you don't understand what a "leader" is. The president is the commander in chief of the U.S. military and is in command of the joint chiefs of staff, but he's not a "leader" to them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Nobody ITT has mentioned the property book for example - this unique piece of hell sits squarely on the officers and is worse than being shot at.

                I could have mentioned it, but he wouldn't understand it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Soldiers always think officers don't do anything like they just show up to a range with portashitters, safeties, and rounds that just magically appeared lmao

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Every lieutenant I had couldn't lead themselves out of a paper bag
            No shit retard. They're learning how to lead. That's why they start as just a platoon leader with the commander and XO above them.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              A company CO and XO have, realistically, the same leadership abilities as a squad leader. Think of how many people actually "answer" to them in a traditional sense- the platoon commanders and sergeants. Of those, the platoon sergeants almost certainly know more about what they're doing than the XO, since they have 8+ years of experience compared to maybe the XO's one or two actually in the military, so they're usually left to their own devices.

              Which means the Company Commander is essentially only actually responsible for the various butterbars under his command. Not exactly impressive

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Think of how many people actually "answer" to them in a traditional sense- the platoon commanders and sergeants.
                Yes, that's how chain of command works. Why should PVT Schmuckatelli be bothering the commander?
                >Which means the Company Commander is essentially only actually responsible
                The company commander is responsible for the company and everything that happens within it. When battalion asks why is your company so fucked up and non-deployable the commander has to answer for that.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes, that's how chain of command works. Why should PVT Schmuckatelli be bothering the commander?
                I'm glad you agree that the CO has very little influence on the day-to-day operation of the company. You might even call him... a figurehead?

                >The company commander is responsible for the company and everything that happens within it. When battalion asks why is your company so fucked up and non-deployable the commander has to answer for that.
                You're right that the CO is ostensibly "responsible" for the company, but absolutely nobody in the company looks to him for leadership or guidance, because of that little thing called chain-of-command you mentioned before.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's how it should be

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >hate to break it to you
          >spends the rest of the post fellating the necessity of the group whose incompetence literally creates the need for a functioning NCO corps

          actual leaders don't give a shit about whether or not they have a commission, they just do the fucking job

          hence nearly all of them being NCOs

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            NCOs are just guys who were too dumb/poor/lazy to get a degree and stayed in longer than 4 years.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              don't many NCOs literally have degrees?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No. Only 7% of enlisted have a degree. Obviously that's including lower enlisted but clearly NCOs aren't bringing the numbers up much.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                NCOs are above E-3 in every branch, are they not? i believe that varies some, but i was under the impression the distribution of pay grades decreases as you go up - meaning NCOs aren't really a useful shorthand for "all enlisted"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No, air force is E-5. Army you can be an NCO at E-4 by becoming a corporal but those basically don't exist, it's effectively also E-5. Marines, Navy and coast guard is E-4 however.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                so i was technically correct, those are all above E-3 😛

                seems like there would be so many E-1 through E-4s that everything above it might literally be <10% of the total positions, hence

                No. Only 7% of enlisted have a degree. Obviously that's including lower enlisted but clearly NCOs aren't bringing the numbers up much.

                not being super useful in determining how many NCOs have degrees (but that's just me assuming about the grade distribution)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Army you can be an NCO at E-4 by becoming a corporal but those basically don't exist,

                You definitely haven't served in the last five years homie. Every E-4 that completes BLC (used to be WLC) and passes the board is a CPL.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm in right now. Everyone just goes SPC to SGT.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                MILPER came out like two years ago, you HAVE to pin CPL if you pass the board and BLC.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Enlisted people are actual retards. Officers are high IQ (relatively, and certainly if they’re academy). You want smart people leading your military not lower class meth babies. If you force officers to go enlisted first (and slum it with 90 IQ rednecks and paroles) then the smart set won’t join the military and it’s leadership will suffer.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    guy looks almost retarded, but mostly psychotic

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Post above is extremely low effort.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I hate officers
    >Posts a sergeant major

    If you wanted to fit in with us you should have enlisted instead of beating off in your basement for the last 10 years

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      What about people who enlisted and beat off in the basement for years?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They're gtg

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What if I'm beating off in your basement, right now?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    did that man paint on a hairline?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This guy reminds me of why I got the duck out after four years. He probably has at least a couple failed marriages and kids that fucking hate his guys for not being around.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Fill me in on this guy. Ain’t never heard of him, looks like 2 reg.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    That's not even an officer. Get better bait.

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