>fuck drone controllers
>fuck autonomous robots
>fuck AI swarms
>and most of all, fuck anyone who uses these weapons
>fuck riggers
>fuck drone controllers
>fuck autonomous robots
>fuck AI swarms
>and most of all, fuck anyone who uses these weapons
Am I a fag if I really love fingerless gloves in my fictional character designs? Shit's so Schway.
>Am I a fag
Yes
>Am I a fag
yes
>if I really love fingerless gloves in my fictional character designs?
hard to tell cause and effect in a situation like this
Imagine getting your whizkid or magebunny domed by a Walmart delivery driver.
I applaud the effort to shadowrun post on fucking PrepHole of all places, but when the guns look like pic related on a good day, it might not catch on, chummer.
And like this on a bad day. That said, I love me a VZ88/v when I'm running the shadows.
You poor bastard zoomers, those are not shadowrun guns. These are shadowrun guns.
¥1200? Damn, that's cheap. Even back when this was drawn that would have been almost nothing.
You say that, but how do you reload it?
>anon knows the price of nuyen sometime in his past
It's been stated in at least one of the editions core books. One nuyen is equal to about 1.5-2 U.S. dollars. So cyberware prices are in line with most modern day elective cosmetic surgeries, and shadowrun cosmetic surgeries are super cheap, because shaving some bone off your jaw or fixing someone's nose is comparatively simple compared to installing some computerized whatsit and wiring it to someone's brain so they can control it with their thoughts.
>So cyberware prices are in line with most modern day elective cosmetic surgeries
High end cyberware is ridiculously expensive though.
Sure basic is cheap but even some alpha-grade cyberware can start costing a lot.
And then there's custom betaware which about the best a runner could hope to get if they have the contacts.
Deltaware is so rare and advanced that it's basically unobtainium for runners no matter how good you're doing.
>even in the multipolar dystopian Awakened future the US Dollar remains king
/biz/bros...
Technically there is no U.S. in Shadowrun anymore. There's the U.C.A.S.(united canadian and american states)and a new confederacy that I don't remmber the name of. Then there's I think two native american nations, and the free state of California(part of CA is also now a sovereign nation ruled by elves). U.S. balkanized pretty hard in SR. Also the nuyen is the global standard currency, that line in the corebook is just to give American players a better idea of it's purchasing power.
oh fuck I misread that as 2 nuyen = 1 USD
brb committing sudoku
>¥
It was hilarious how back in the day all the "near-future" media had Japan taking over the entire world.
>implying japan didnt
Take a moment to consider the fact you're on a japanese-owned imageboard website (japanese invention) founded to discuss japanese culture, forked from japanese source code.
Real life might be more japan than cyberpunk, even if you don't buy your basedkaf with nuyen.
Contrary to cyberpunk portrayals however, Japan's economy is one of the worst in the first world, Japanese corporations are steadily losing ground, they're even losing the culture war to Worst Korea, and nobody cares that 4ch was once Japanese, whatever royalties or advertising revenue moot receives is hilariously eclipsed by any one of five or six American social media giants
You have no idea how rich Japan was in the 70s
By 1980 they had the 3rd largest GDP in the world behind the USA and the USSR, way ahead of FR Germany and close to equalling the USSR
Dumb newfag
Oh, silly me, I forgot they never made any new editions of shadowrun after 3e(?)
There's no such thing as wireless hacking, only decking.
what about wireless decking?
No.
Why would you want to have less response time?
You will get your dome fried like a drac egg in no time as the B-Ice is hardwired in.
Man's estimations of the future have changed since 1987.
That doesn't matter chummer, decks are cool as drokk.
The entire cyberpunk genre is an embarrassment because it doesn't understand this. Cyberpunk RED is soulless fucking trash because it fell into the same trap of retrofuturism. The entire genre either needs to move forward or die because I'm so tired of people thinking neon and japanese signage is so hecking aesthetic. Leave that shit in the 90s where it belongs Pondsmith, you fucking hack.
So tell us about your vision of cyberpunk for the modern zeitgeist, smarty
Cyberpunk is meant to be a critique and parody of the modern world, which Cyberpunk kind of was at the time but no longer.
Honestly, it would probably look a lot closer to MGS 4 than Cyberpunk or Shadowrun, except more grounded. Cyberware would focus more on financialization and everything turning into a payment plan and/or subscription service rather than the retard "ooga booga cyberware eat your soul" shit that is so common to the genre (inb4 "it's a metaphor for turning yourself into a product," Pondsmith literally put it into the game because he was too stupid to figure out how to balance combat).
Get rid of all the Japanese shit everywhere, Japan is a dying country with an economy hasn't moved in 32 years, and its cultural relevance is declining almost as fast as its birthrate.
Also remove hacking because we've finally progressed past the era where a retard with a commodore 64 can hack into the Pentagon. Modern hacking is nothing more than paying a pajeet thirty dollars to write some Javascript and then hoping someone is stupid enough to pay you to send you bitcoin.
And for fucks sake I would set it somewhere other than the west coast. I understand Pondsmith is a bugman and so he just took Night City from Neuromancer and put it in Cali without even bothering to change the name, but Shadowrun was made by bongs and has zero excuse.
>Shadowrun was made by bongs
No, it's made by the same Midwest idiots behind Battletech; you're thinking of 40K
>Cyberware would focus more on financialization and everything turning into a payment plan and/or subscription service
Cyberware absolutely should need to be jailbroken
>Get rid of all the Japanese shit everywhere
and replace with China and Korean shit?
you know of course that China today is what Japan was in the early 70s
>Modern hacking is
alive and kicking; in fact militaries are cybering up and the situation now is exactly like the origin story of the schizo boss in Neuromancer
>set it somewhere other than the west coast
Commiefornia looks ripe for shadowrun shenanigans tho
I dunno man, it seems like you're dismissing the genre just as it's fulfilling all its prophecies and becoming near-future instead of far-future.
>and replace with China and Korean shit?
Where did I say that? China is about to start declining just as fast. America is the only one surviving this shit.
>militaries are cybering up and the situation now is exactly like the origin story of the schizo boss in Neuromancer
The entire point of hacking in cyberpunk is that it's the means by which a regular person can take on powerful entities like corporations and governments, because in the 90s we genuinely believed that was how it was going to work. Timothy McVeigh was able to hack into a defense department computer with a commodore 64 while he was still in high school, and when he was executed prison officials were afraid that hackers were going to find some way to broadcast it, even though it wasn't being filmed. Real life hacking isn't magic bullshit like in Cyberpunk and Shadowrun, but their respective portrayals of hacking are embarrassingly dated because they came from an era where people genuinely believed that hackers could turn your computer into a bomb. Saying "the military does it" isn't a fulfillment of the prophecies of the genre, it's the opposite. Average people are not fighting the system with hacking, the system uses hacking to fight average people.
>Commiefornia looks ripe for shadowrun shenanigans
You mean the state that is rapidly emptying out as businesses leave and the cost of living continues to increase year after year? There will be no shadowrun shenanigans to pull off, because all of the skyscrapers will be empty and there will be nothing to steal. As much as I hate to say it, being a mid-level AWS programmer while living in a shit-smeared tent isn't cyberpunk.
You were right about FASA not being British, though. I remembered them as bongs because of how ridiculously stupid the guns in Shadowrun are, and that's usually a sure sign of terminal Britishness.
Speaking of those prophecies... where are they, anon?
Aren't we supposed to have megacorporations with national sovereignty? Isn't it weird how corporate control over land has only been going down, like with Reedy Creek?
How about the Internet being a form of VR? Oh, you mean the Metaverse? A thing that the world's largest social media company changed its name to promote and then was shut down in May after it hemorrhaged $40 million per day for years?
Advanced cybernetics? Biomedical research is more advanced than ever, but at the end of the day prosthetics are just medical devices. We're no closer to robot arms being better than the originals than we were 50 years ago.
What about brain-computer interfaces that you plug into your skull? Well hey, there's something! Daddy Elon has been working on neuralink, and the procedure only has a 1 in 5 chance of killing you. That's exciting, right? Except that DARPA surpassed Neuralink fifteen years ago with stuff that you don't even need to plug into your brain. Hmm.
Cyberpunk is still just a fantasy, but it can at least move forward instead of being stuck with the cringe "90s detroit but also neon and Japanese shit everywhere"
>Aren't we supposed to have megacorporations with national sovereignty?
NTA, but that was always bullshit. Corporations only care about money. They don't even want to pay their employees, so they certainly aren't going to pay for public (even local) infrastructure and defense. They want to control the state through lobbying, not replace it.
I agree 100%. One of the most cringe things in every cyberpunk setting is powerful organizations saying "hey we're in charge now" instead of just... being in charge. Microsoft was able to successfully defund the IRS because they were committing tax fraud, and now the IRS doesn't have the resources to investigate corporate tax fraud anymore. Microsoft doesn't need to come out and say that they literally are more powerful than the IRS, they just *are*.
>They don't even want to pay their employees, so they certainly aren't going to pay for public (even local) infrastructure and defense. They want to control the state through lobbying, not replace it.
When they have complete control they get to pay their wagies Corp script that can only be used in their acrology. It is a Game. A game my man not a sim of the real world. If you don't let the corps take over then they don't need to hire Mercs(Runners) and there is no point. What the fuck do you think Cyberpunk would be without big Corps, High Tech Low Life, mod your body to just stay level with the competition?
I studied and worked in a zaibatsu type megacorporation, so I can say you're wrong. In this corporation, you could be born in their hospital, study in their school and their college, live in their housing projects, eat and shop in their mall, play in their arcade and swim in their theme park, and eventually die in their hospital. They built everything, construct everything, service everything, hell even the parking garages are theirs. (Many malls and buildings subcontract.) They even did a deal with the local government so their private security has extra powers, in exchange for watching over surrounding neighbourhoods. They also upkeep the civil infrastructure in and around their complexes for free - better roads, utilities, etc.
In fact I understand that Facebook and Google have similar amenities. My friend who worked in FB claims he didn't really need to spend his salary, he could live off company services if he wanted.
What's in it for the company? Making everyone a productive wagie. When you own a big slice of the pie, you want to grow the pie. Happy workers produce more.
>Microsoft was able to successfully defund the IRS because they were committing tax fraud, and now the IRS doesn't have the resources to investigate corporate tax fraud anymore
Please
That's flat earther tier stuff
The IRS in most countries is one of the most powerful organs of state, because it is the state's primary income earner. The vast majority of state revenues come from taxes. The problem is that some entities are too big to tax and many entities are too small; it costs more to go after them than they are worth.
And often it is just downright impossible: if Jimmy makes a few extra bucks selling hotdogs outside the ball park every Saturday, who the fuck would know?
They're just retarded
They ran a company bigger than 40K into the ground.
Shadowrun and Battletech combined had potential to be bigger than Star Wars, I shit you not.
>As much as I hate to say it, being a mid-level AWS programmer while living in a shit-smeared tent isn't cyberpunk.
I disagree. Being a programmer but homeless would be actually be far more punk than most plots in cyberpunk. Assuming you were actually doing shady shit to earn enough to get by, anyway.
>being a mid-level AWS programmer while living in a shit-smeared tent isn't cyberpunk.
It 100% is.
>Average people are not fighting the system with hacking
With the advent of Quantum Computing if a person could get a hold of one...
>say call it an illegal DECK
One could start gaining access to even hardened clusters. This is a Fictional Game after all bend just a bit and it will work.
>This is a real problem that the tech world is trying to solve because those computers are coming.
Quantum cryptography is something that already exists, and is in such a state that it could thwart quantum computers even if they were as powerful as regular ones. I'm sorry anon. The best way to get a password in the future will be the same as it is now, which is to call a guy at the company you're trying to hack and say that you're the county password inspector.
>Quantum cryptography is something that already exists
Yes and frontback end encryption existed in the 90's. People like the movie Hackers and thought Lawnmower Man was pretty cool. Pure fiction but fun. Why does Shadowrun hacking get your Jimmys Rustled?
I dislike it for the same reason that I dislike elves and trolls and dwarves in cyberpunk: it's shit.
For a less dismissive answer, it's a mixture of two things:
1. It's a power fantasy for sweaty nerds that think they should be allowed to stay in the truck for the entire mission because they're just so irreplaceable
2. The hacking mechanics in every edition of cyberpunk and shadowrun have been unplayable to the degree that the rest of the table might as well go out and get dinner while the GM runs the decker through his little side-adventure. There's a reason the number one houserule in every cyberpunk game is "no deckers"
If you hate shadowrun for what it is.
>Magic and myth coming back in cyberpunk
Then why not check out something like CY_BORG?
>CY_BORG
Because cy_borg isn't a game, it's an art project with rules text added for aesthetic purposes. The entire rules text can fit on a single piece of paper if you write it in 12pt font.
>No, it's made by the same Midwest idiots behind Battletech; you're thinking of 40K
Pacific Northwest idiots.
>Pacific Northwest idiots.
No the man is right the OG writers of Shadowrun were from like Ohio.
They choose Seattle as a place that the Corps have been battling to control and with it being a port city there can be a lot of different gang/mafia shit going down. With the NAN surrounding it there is only one way to build and that is up so you get that Blade Runner look that Cyberpunk is known for.
>High Tech
>Low Life
MGS4 is fucking shit though.
I'd much rather a retro-futurist Shadowrun-esque romp if I'm gonna play a videogame.
It was a cool dystopian parody, but you want to turn it into bland pessimist-realism.
Japan's cultural relevance has only increased after cyberpunk was invented.
Shadowrun isn't focused on the west coast though, not even the american parts of it. It's a global setting.
Sounds like you're just salty at a polish videogame and that's your entire interface to the genre.
>Cyberpunk RED
>polish
>videogame
Back to /v/ with you, the adults are talking
>Cyberpunk is meant to be a critique and parody of the modern world
The base critiques all still apply. Only the window drrssings have become outdated. At it's core, GitS may be more applicable to current day than Nueromancer, Cyberpunk 2020, Deus Ex, or Shadowrun, but the genre has always been rooted in critiques of our unchecked profit motive, government and corporate collusion, disruptive technology alienating people from their environments, and most importantly, what people outside of acceptable society will do about it.
My personal opinion is that GitS has aged better than the others simply because it didn't lean so heavily into the Bladerunner aesthetic and chose a more subtle and insidious form of dystopia. I haven't played MGS4, so I can't comment on that, aside from Kojima having a very weird love/hate obsession about modern day mercenary bands.
I agree 100% on the GitS thing. Well, maybe not the cyberbrain part but yeah, society still looks pretty much normal in GitS. It's the kind of setting you could see someone living a totally normal life in.
MGS4, for all of its flaws as a story, has the same thing going for it. It's basically just real life with cutting edge tech. Soldiers look like GWOT-era dudes but with fishguns instead of M4s, and even the heavily augmented mercenaries are spec ops that can cling to walls and jump really high.
>I forgot they never made any new editions of shadowrun after 3e(?)
unironically, they didn't, and if they did, they shouldn't have
hurr durr, some company said they replaced the thing you like, so the old thing doesn't exist anymore, the company said so! Stop liking the good thing that has been around forever and is still there, buy the new thing that is worse!
Why is oldskool tabletop rpg art so much soulful than the bland stuff you see nowadays?
The new stuff almost might as well be AI generated.
>oldskool tabletop rpg art so much soulful
They were paid shit if at all for it so it was done because they loved to do it.
You can feel they had fun doing it and that comes through.
All new art is mostly done as a job so money for the time spent is the goal and you can feel that too.
Man, I miss old ttrpg drawings in black and white, nowadays NO rpg book drawings even come close
p99 was in the shadow run books. I used my mags as ammo counters.
I can't really think of any standout or iconic guns from Shadowrun, apart from maybe the Vindicator Minigun.
The Ares Predator? That thing is pretty much Shadowrun:The Gun.
>The Ares Predator?
With a smartlink hardwired for it into your skull.
>Ares Predator
>Ares Predator
>Ares Predator
What is its looks based on, a tricked up Desert Eagle?
Robocop's pistol.2ptkpn
Panther Assault Cannon?
All the anons saying Ares Predator are slot on. Also, it's pretty much crunch only and a core add-on book, but the Salavette Guardian is a double stack 1911 in 10mm. With burst fire.
Able to kill without risking your meat bag is a smart plan chummer.
You sound like the type to strap an assault canon to a blimp drone and charge preem nuyen
Its pretty cool were living in a timeline that riggers are becoming a real thing.
They don't make enough Shadowrun vidya, enjoyed the series of crpgs that were put out.
Currently been playing this in-development cyberpunk rpgmaker game, its not finished yet and is an indie one-guy game so will probably be awhile but is decent (actually seems pretty PrepHole with all the gear/gun options he's putting in).
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1536730/Chaos_Chain/
Any chance you could drop a download? $12 is decent for an rpgmaker game if its good but no way without demoing it first.
I always thought GiTS had better guns but i suppose thats closer tech than whats in shadowrun or cyberpunk.
That's a fair concern. Don't have the ability to do so though.
Il keep my eye on it. I do love cyberpunkish settings, its just the nature of rpgmaker you know.
Is there any real city that captures the cyberpunk aesthetic? Neon and rain amd whatever. NY didnt do it for, seattle, boston, portland, chicago ect. None of them ever came close. Feels like i need to go to hongkong or something
Watch your back and shoot straight, chummers
And remember, never ever deal with a dragon or buy CGL merch
Shinjuku is the inspiration for cyberpunk cities
Also Hong Kong and Shanghai to lesser extent
>My Wife
Give me a good download for hongkong or dragon fall please.
Ive heard someone ported the returns campaign to hongkongs engine so il have to check that out again too
GOG-games should have them
I am not smart enough for gog games. I downloaded them from there but everytime i try to open them steam pops up saying ive got no license.
Feels like im british honestly
>I downloaded them from there but everytime i try to open them steam pops up saying ive got no license.
GOG games are stand alone installers. No Steam involved at all. I have no idea why Steam would try to pop up.
>Get the install file from your GOG account.
>Install it not in a steam folder.
>run the exe
>Profit.
>returns campaign
This was so boring
well it was the first venture into reviving Shadowrun as a game, so I can't blame them for its "quality". Dragonfall and Hongkong are far better
I dont remember much about it besided the guys sister was rich and wanted to bring bugs over from the astral plane, and there was some richer elf that didnt want that.
I think id like some lower stakes runs but i understand most gamers want some existential threat they need to overcome.
main problem was, they tried to shoehorn an existing plot into the game and adding a bunch of snowflake canon characters. so a lot of later missions are ass, because plot relevant railroading.
in combination with the less than optimized combat and other mechanics the overall game was just okay.
The fanmade SRHK port of DMS improves it a bit. Well, it just adds more content. Extends some maps, new missions including trust missions and uses the improved SRHK Matrix.
Dragonfall is still the best of the Returns campaigns.
Im sad they never made more in the series. I feel like they couldve added some shorter campaigns as dlc or something.
I know nothing about shadowrun lore. Was thos like a big deal that was ready established?
Dragonfall was originally a DLC for the first Returns game, so...
There are also a handful of decent fanmade campaigns for Dragonfall and Hong Kong.
its not the problem that they used that lore and tried to make a tie in, more like how they handled it was absolutely meh. later on for example you are forced to use plot relevant weapons and you have to use them, because else you can't damage the enemies
Oh i get what you mean now. Yeah being railroaded into using the supersoakers was stupid.
Thats wild. I feel like dragonfall is 10x more content than returns.
>Thats wild. I feel like dragonfall is 10x more content than returns.
The standalone release of Dragonfall was further polished and expanded with new missions and side content, plus they improved the engine with new mechanics. Originally the campaigns were about the same size but Dragonfall was just better put together. The devteam had gained maturity and knew how to make good content within the system they created. Dead Man's Switch was a practice run.
Then there's the setting.
For some reason Shadowrun is insnely popular in Germany.
For some reason the best Returns game is the one set in Berlin flux state.
To my knowledge Dead Man's Switch doesn't contradict established lore in any way. The devteam was led by one of Shadowrun's original authors, too.
The main critique I have is that the combat encounters, game structure and character writing are lackluster compared to DF and HK.
Also some characters are a bit out of place. The way they forced Jake Armitage (protag from previous SR vidya) into the game was just unnecessary.
How would you have implemented bug spirits?
>How would you have implemented bug spirits?
desu, I don't know, but optimizing how combat works during those encounters probably help.
They should have made him a sharpshooting nova-hot decker street-shaman, to better represent his original appearance.
Harlequin was oddly underpowered as well, but fuck that elfin marysue.
>I know nothing about shadowrun lore. Was thos like a big deal that was ready established?
If you knew the lore, some of NPC's involved in all games are basically demigods.
>I can fix her
I mean in this case you actually can via her sidemission... or you can make her worse and flowing with toxic mana.
believe it or not, this song actually plays in the background anytime Glory is speaking
The gameplay moment that stuck with me the most from Returns was giving Glory extra AP from everybody in the party, and then watching her sprint down a hallway and eviscerate someone while the party covered her back with guns.
Why is Glory's portrait so hauntingly beautiful?
the most beautiful part about her is her GIANT, ROBOT, HANDS!
How much of her torso is even still biological?
Are her breasts still real?
Very little of her is still biological, and she purposefully went with older less essence friendly cuberware for reasons that are huge spoilers for her personal sidequest.
So you're saying those are solid armoured fake titties?
I forget if she has a cyber torso, I don't think she did, and now that I think about it, I don't think those were a thing in the video game's system.
Can't replace the whole torso (unlike eyes, ewww) but subdermal mods are plenty so she probably has Kevlar-weave tits
well, at least they'll definitely be firm
I am aware, I was just saying the video game didn't try to duplicate some stuff, it's not 1:1, as I said, cyber torsos, which are a thing in the tabletop, weren't in the video game. Probably because the rules that make them necessary weren't duplicated either.
>I don't think those were a thing in the video game's system.
They were.
Well, it had the slot at least so the potential is there. I'm not sure how many cyberware options the vanilla games had but mods add Nice Things, even adept tattoos so they don't get left behind cybered sammys in character customization.
If you look at the "Body" mods in HBS Shadowrun they're all specific small organs or skin interstices, no the entire torso.
She would be more beautiful pregnant
She probably doesn't have the essence nor the organs for that anymore. She's one step from cyberzombie with her burnout chrome.
I'll impregnate her mouth then.
Does shadowrun have cyberwombs?
The entry is a bit vague, so I'm going to say maybe.
You wouldn't happen to know where to get shadowrun sourcebooks in digital format for free, would you.
Asking for a friend.
"[Insert book here] pdf free" in google hasn't let me down honestly. Just because you asked I also managed to scrounge around for an unaffiliated link I used to get my pdfs when I played shadowrun. It's 5e and not complete as it's supposedly from 2015 if the dates are to go by, but it's yours if you want it. https://files.catbox.moe/ltgdon.zip
nta but sweet thx
enjoy shadowrun gond
/tg/'s PDF share thread is your friend for this kind of thing, here's a big Shadowrun collection
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/s8h1ai7hbdgla/ShadowrunHuge
Thanks a bunch Anon.
>Not wanting an extending prehensile metal dick that can vibrate or be used in self-defense
These writers have no idea what they're talking about.
>Shadowrun biotech can make a prehensile penis
Really?
What kind of sexy cyberware would exist in the setting?
A cyber vagina with a rumble feature and powerful adjustable grip (could also be used for assault in a pinch)?
Who knows, people generally don't play Shadowrun to roll for anal circumference
Tabletop roleplayers are all degenerates, the Book of Erotic Fantasy exists for a reason.
>Not relaxing after a run with an orgy of augmented Troll prostitutes
>Took miles of dick in the cult
>Names herself Glory(hole)
I'd climb Mount Eiger
I want to get crushed between Eigers thighs
Adorable.
Shadowrun works better if you strip away all the retarded 'metaplot' stuff and just use the basic setting as a backdrop for the players to Run in the Shadows of.
So no shit like The Horrors going to end the world.
>retarded 'metaplot'
I don't know of any group that ran the metaplot. Game is full of enough to never touch the "Story"
I was more of a Cyberpunk 20XX gun fan personally.
The British 12mm Burst-Fire Pistol was my personal favorite, even if it always seemed to be a bit overly long for my tastes without it being chunky to match.
There is literally no downside to this fuck you huge pistol, and you can make it even better with the in-depth gun customization of the CP2020.
God help you if you also decide to combo two of these with GunFu martial arts from the Listen up Screwheads book too.
Bit long isn't it.
Look with a +2 Weapon Accuracy, two rounds a round of combat in the biggest mainline cartridge for the setting that isn't weird esoteric shit like the .666, and smartclipped, it can look as kinda goofy as it wishes
My second favorite gun in CP2020 is the M31A1
That's not as cool as a p90
cp2020 (can't speak for RED) has a stat for what clothing you can conceal a weapon in, one of the variables is a trenchcoat, useful for hiding shotguns and the like
Does PrepHole enjoy mountain climbing?
snu snu with eiger
How do you feel about mages who use summons instead?
That's a big troll and/or small elf
Maybe its a big troll AND a small elf.
>use summons instead?
Kind of breaks the game in my experience.
>Instead of having to build and pay for drones just summon for free
>they can scout better then any drone being able to fly through walls and cover crazy ground with astral speed
>summon a F7+ and they are hard to kill and hit like a truck.
>if it dies no biggy just get another on line.
>They can keeps spells like invisibility up and running for you and your chumms.
>They can fight astral and magical things better then drones.
If you let them a Summoner will make most of your crew feel redundant.
Castergayry is the worst anywhere you encounter it.
>>they can scout better then any drone being able to fly through walls and cover crazy ground with astral speed
I'm still salty that Shadowrun Returns didn't include any cool astral mechanics despite the original kickstarter promising "Contextual Gameplay in Four Realities"
It only delivered on two of those four. The physical and the digital.
>Missions (aka "Runs") in Shadowrun Returns can require interaction with all four realities simultaneously, requiring you to use information learned from each character’s perspective to coordinate their context-sensitive actions to get the job done. . . and survive.
I wish. Hermetic mages only got leylines and shamans spirit summoning points. Both of which are just simple additions to the nuxcom combat.
>nuxcom
?
Nu-XCOM. You know, the shit remakes of the 90s classic XCOM games?
Shadowrun Returns combat system was clearly inspired by the modern generation of simplistic TB games.
Yeah, there were a few dialogue skillchecks for assensing and whatnot. Very few. In none of the SRR games you never ever needed anyone awakened for any run for any reason (the only specialist role you ever needed was a decker) and the opportunities to use magic beyond in-combat casting were close to none. Even riggers got more use thanks to the drone vents.
I'm saying they should have implemented proper astral mechanics, which they originally intended. The dimension system was clearly meant to support astral in addition to default and matrix.
Sorry, I never played the classic XCOMs, not my speed
>few dialogue skillchecks for assensing and whatnot. Very few
Yeah, I recently replayed Hong Kong, decided to go combat spellcaster for the first time (my MC usually either shoots or decks) and you get like ONE time in the introductory mission when you consult a spirit and... that's it, more or less
Technically you could also sometimes use astral vision in events/dialogue much like any other skill.
>fuck riggers
Trump lost, chuddy. There was no "rigging"
>follows you down into subway station
>watches you approach the yellow line
>trips you
Nothin' personal chummer.
Nooo please don’t set the tripper on me ;_;
Alright fine...
Just cause I'd feel mean doing it after I tagged your van.
>For some reason Shadowrun is insanely popular in Germany.
Shadowrun was one of the few translated P&P Games back then and FanPro (the company who licensed it), pushed it massively by creating own homegrown content. that also led to a lot of German only novels, which further grew the scene.
funny thing FanPro is also the reason Battletech didn't die in the 90-00, because they kept pushing original content for the German market and thus German Battletech autist kept BT alive.
>one of the few translated P&P Games back then
More like Germany had a healthy mix of P&P games, unlike English-speaking markets that were dominated by D&D.
thats WoCs fault. they demanded outlandish license conditions, so the German companies said "Fuck that shit" and made their own fantasy shit "The Dark Eye". so there were no real official DnD translations for the German market early on. combine that with the Shadowrun and Battletech license holder being allowed to create their own expanded content, its obvious why DnD was rather dead
The world would be better off if D&D had died.
I think most places where you would need (or at this point would have needed seeing as most people know english today) to translate books have pretty healthy P&P publishing scenes today, specifically because WoTC and other bigger companies didn't get to those markets and they had to develop on their own.
Pink Mohawk or Black Trenchcoat..
Choose modernity. Choose mirrorshades.
Brown shades. Realism and a serious story is cool, and taking things seriously in a weird world can lead to comedy enough, but if you are going to be petty about fingerprints and other evidence left behind then you'd get bogged down in things that isn't too interesting to most people.
Both.
>Black Trenchcoat for armor
>Pink Mohawk for ganger and rock-punk music cred.
Both will keep you alive and running chummer just know when to change the look win in the Corp sec.
It is and always has been a false question. Everyone will answer with something in-between. Even the blackest trenchcoat or pinkest mohawk will know that they could be even more extreme, just by the fact that roleplaying is co-operative and even the tone is a compromise to suit everyone.
Hell even in a group of entirely one thing, they will think themselves the norm rather than an outlier, and the norm here would be something in-between.
What?
Explain pls
If you run a game of Shadowrun you usually run it very seriously where every mistake might lead to you getting tracked by the corpos and killed, or you take everything lightly and you don't need to run the tightest ops ever since you are just some chummer anyways. More or less tone and style description.
Extreme pink mohawk would be a group of five drunken dwarves cracking in to a vault with C4 and shenanigans, leaving a blood, paper and video trail to their location, everyone beaming throughout.
Extreme black trenchcoat would be a group of min-maxed runners who crack a vault by getting the combination from the CO's PC without anyone knowing that they were there, great relief on everyone's face once everything's done.
Black Mohawk Pink Trenchcoat
>not pink shades, black trenchcoat, mirror mohawk
NGMI chummer
Riggers suck in Shadowrun. Drones are stupid easy to kill compared to PCs and the cost to replace them is way too high.
That's why the rigger is also the hardware guy. Mend and recycle. Hell they are almost always also the wheel so them not knowing how to turn a wrench and solder some wires would be outright strange.
>Riggers suck in Shadowrun.
As player-characters, perhaps, as antagonists from a megacorp, very much not the case. A team of riggers will absolutely TPK your team in record time when they are on the move.
>Rigger A is a Vehicle Rigger and beats you in vehicle combat, stopping your vehicle.
>Rigger B is a Land Drone rigger and drops two lynx outside your stopped vehicle.
>Rigger C is an Air Drone rigger and has you completely covered from the air for the past two hours.
>Rigger D is an Electronic Warfare/CounterWarfare expert and is completely jamming any mechanism you have of communicating for help outside the astral.
TPK, and you didn't even get outside the vehicle to get to the run.
How far away are we from real life riggers? I mean FPV drones are getting more common, i cant think of anything closer than that.
Only Elon Musk knows for sure
We are already there, it's just that the interfaces are still primitive.
Reality is always lame compared to fiction.
I mean when you boil it down far enough riggers are just drone operators so yeah were already there. No mind controllers yet but i guess an xbox controller is close enough.
Neuralink will make FPV drones crazy good.
>tfw no cyberspurs
>Tfw no smartlink for my .460
>tfw lined jackets cost more than real body armor
Ill be ok, chummers. I just need a minute.
What are the coolest fancy exotic (possible impractical) cyberpunk weapons?
eyeguns. for shooting people, with your eyes
Deus Ex didn't go quite that far, it stopped at skullguns.
Wouldn't it make more sense if it was eye sprayers, that shot poison out of your eyes, like a toad?
I think CP20XX had an eye-augment that lets you shoot a tranq dart from your cyber-eye.
I forget if it was from CP2020 or CP REd though
Monofilament Whip.
Just about as dangerous to the user as his target.
Didn't they allow for monofilament to be applied to anything (within reason)? Imagine a launcher that shoots monofilament nets that just laser-hallways someone or bolas that cut off people's legs and arms from hundreds of yards away.
Not sure about SR but I know the eldar in WH40K have those for their warp spider aspect warriors. Might be hard to produce in SR whereas the eldar are a post scarcity society that makes all their tech from solidified space magic that they "sing" into existence.
>solidified space magic that they "sing" into existence.
Eldar are Dwemer. Fucking hell.
the eldar made their gods, saw them die and are still around
dwemer aren't even an "at home" version
but for all that might if I where an eldar I'd prefer not existing to what's coming for me
Only most of them are dead. Isha and Khaine are still around, and they even made a new one, Ynnead, and he's got the romblies for Chas gods, all he needs are the crone swords and he can get to snaking. This has understandably scared Slaanesh shitless, so he/she managed to capture one of those swords and bring it to his palace to keep the plot from advancing any further.
I liked the idea of those one-shot throwaway energy shooters in Deus Ex, the only problem is they were useless in gameplay since they didn't do enough damage to ever be useful.
i love drones tho
theyre fun af you should build one
No thanks i'm straight.
Tell me about drones as a hobby. Like what do you enjoy about it?
Best place to start building drones
>you should build one
Based Russian plane killer.
>Keep it up omae
>The more expensive the target the better the kill loss ratio
i aint russian
its fun you get to feel like a birdie, to pilot something that can pull insane accelerations that would kill a human and do it all without much physical stress or it being too expensive or regulation-intensive
im not nearly this good and i honestly like building drones more than i like flying them but its fun
im currently making a 7 inch long range build, waiting for parts to arrive in the mail.
75km range on a wifi stick
im donna do this afte my next build
>i aint russian
Never said you were chummer.
I said you build to KILL russian plains on the cheap.
That was pretty cool anon.
Im getting an ender 3 from a friend because he upgraded. What else do i need to build cool shadowrun drones and can you define "too expensive" for me?
i use an ender3v2 myself. its a solid printed i bought it like a year ago. if you upgrade it to direct drive (theres a lot of guides online) you can fairly easily print TPU (soft,flexible material) which is used a lot on quadcopters. almost every quadcopter frame you buy has parts online for it you can print like camera,antenna mounts and so on.
if you want to build drones go to the PrepHole drone general and just follow the racing quad build in op. once you build and fly it,get the hang of things you can put a GPS on it and do basic autonomous flying (GPS rescue in betaflight firmware), from there you can go try ardupilot and inav firmwares, custom radio systems like wfb-ng,openhd and so on
The 'ware system was okay in the return games but was a bit limited in scale.
Redeeem it
I know time marches on but man I did not see this shit playing out for real and be used in earnest.
>Time of the Rigger is truly upon us
What's a better system, whole side/party turn order or individual turn order?
Depends if players can make their turns fast or not. But generally speaking having all the players take the "same" turn can help speed stuff up.
I still privately refuse to accept the Shadowrun backstory of it being the normal world and then suddenly everyone turning into elves and goblins and trolls one day and gaining magic powers.
I prefer to think of it as a regular D&D setting, several centuries in the future from usual.
It's the future of Earthdawn.
nah, nobody cares about earthdawn
It was until separate corporations held the rights for Shadowrun and Earthdawn resulting in them dancing around all the implications they had previously made in both.
Lame and gay, the cyclical nature of magic is interesting and Shadowun's worldbuilding is very well done.
>suddenly
>everyone turning
>one day
Also it wasn't like that. Elven and dwarfen metatype genes started expressing around 2012 in large quantities. Goblinization happened like a decade later. And many decades before there were individual spike babies born in areas with spikes of high ambient mana.
Awakening was a gradual process that took decades and magic is only going to get stronger for a couple of millennia as the metaplanes align.
>Awakening
>future
Both retarded, but Awakening is less retarded
I'd much rather have an alt-history "it has always been like this" setting frankly
We had a movie along those lines, too bad it was shit.
wha?
>A setting where magic had always been at full power yet human society had still evolved towards its contemporary state would be extremely naive
Why should it? Magic and technology are in equilibrium in Shadowrun. Why shouldn't it always have been so throughout history?
That's precisely the path taken in a lot of alt-history fantasy by the way.
>wha?
Bright
it was not so good. Could have been but worth maybe one watch but not a second.
But it always was like that.
Magic has always been waxing and waning over a lengthy cycle. Shamanic traditions, folklore and myths from thousands of years ago? Oh, they're all real.
The consequences of sixth world awakening are very well written. A setting where magic had always been at full power yet human society had still evolved towards its contemporary state would be extremely naive writing in comparison. A shame you can't recognize a good thing when you see it.
The writers talked about that and came to the conclusion that it would not really work with what they wanted.
If it was dnd all along then the political world would have been very different. The HEAVY Racism would not be so sharp if it always was this way. Governments would have been able to control and keep power because no real upheaval allowed Corps to gain the rights and power of county sovereignty.
The USA getting taken apart by the native tribes getting their mojo back? Not happening.
Wondering what myths and legends are just that or are now real? Not Happening.
You want DnD in future that is Eberron man. That is it. You want 80's cyberpunk having to deal with magic then Shadowrun it is.
The USA getting taken apart by the native tribes was bullshit when it became publicly known that they could only do their big deal ONCE.
After that America would have countered with a REAL genocide of the WooWoos that put anything the Americans of the past ever did to shame, the desire for vengeance would have been overwhelming.
>Show me you did not read the time line without...
The US went after them with full air power and every plane and chopper disappeared.
Every time the US moved militarily they were beat and ether lost units or showed up to an empty field.
This was the beginning of magic and any real belief that it was even real. Also big nations were now grappling that their ultimate weapon (the nooooks) were no longer functioning.
what happened to nukes?
They literally just don't work anymore because the writers thought that nukes would lessen how cool magic is.
Almost every nuclear power plant melts down, multiple nukes get fired off and are either duds or barely work. My favorite example of the writers not liking nukes is how China lost all of them in a hurricane. They just had a really bad storm one day and I guess it picked up all of their nuclear weapons.
That's gay as hell.
Shadowrun creators are actually pretty anti-science aren't they? No wonder they created garbage magical mary sue elves like Harlequin.
>because the writers thought that nukes would lessen how cool magic is.
I don't think that is why. I think they needed a way to make governments world wide get taken down to seconded fiddle to corps.
The greater spiritual power of the Earth itself just doesn't like weapons that could theoretically kill it. Personally I think it would have been better off leaving the power plants considering they'd be better for it than some of the other kinds.
Ah but
>nook bad
tho
Sometimes you forget that most cyberpunk settings are products of the 80's, where everything to do with fission was the devil.
If the technology was made available to you how far would you go in replacing your disgusting rotting corpse body with cybernetics, shiny and chrome?
Datajack and interlaced systems seem okay to me, they're just adding shit to your body mostly
Replacing organs I get real squeamish about
Maybe I was cut out to be a mage even though I always play sam / decker
I would definitely at least get new eyes, being able to see better is just such a netgain over all,
And somehow I feel less squimish over getting my eyes scooped out and replaced than laser eye surgery for some reason.
I don't exactly need power-claws working in an office, but knees and hips that won't be shot by 60 doesn't sound that bad. The problem is that we live in a culture where cyberware isn't a thing so it's rather hard to get behind just by how alien the entire thing is, no-one in modern society would be that for becoming a brain-in-jar cyber save for the few outliers that are for anything and everything.
>I don't exactly need power-claws working in an office
But think how easy it would be to open letters with them.
>I don't exactly need power-claws working in an office
I mean you say that, but I don't think you mean that. Upper management gets all the Arbiter bitches with his.
But what about robot hands that split into 26+ fingers to allow you to type super quick, though I suppose you could instead just go with a datajack and input things at the speed of thought but that means letting your boss have some level of direct access to your brain.
>boss have some level of direct access to your brain.
In big corps they will jack in skill softs and put learning blockers on. That way you can not leave your job and get a new one because all your skills are literally own by the company.
>people think we live in a dystopia now have no idea what it really means
FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH IT DISGUSTED ME
Omnissiah protects!
You will be corrupted by the Void Dragon.
Replace my eyes, ears, spine and legs since I drew the short straw in my family's gendtic lottery and all of those weree fucked before I was in middle school.
You wouldn't get a cyber dong? Reminder that cyber dongs in SR have a capacity rating, that means you can put other cyberware inside the cyber dong. Also, cyber guns are a things in SR.
Going by the rules don't cyber guns all suck for some reason? No Barret for you.
>Barret
Think whiter, more machine gun in the torso, in case I need to fight ancient aztec super vampires. Which by the way, it took 5 editions for writers to finally state that yes, you can install a cybergun into a cyber torso.
It's weird going from decades of western media shitting all over the nazis, to them being actually treated semi respectfully in Jojo.
Its a Japanese work, they were on the nazis side and war crimes don't bother them.
>Its a Japanese work, they
don't take nazism seriously
It's like how weebs dress up as samurai or as Imperial Japanese officers. That would generate you significant side-eye in some parts of Asia, but they don't care do they? Similarly, Asian nerds think nothing of Nazism - it's not as triggering, to them.
>Not replacing your dick with a recoilless rifle
You even have all the required ports for it to begin with
>how far would you go
All the fucking way.
I mean that's still probably less than
since they are usually just nuggets piloting mechs. Spehsmuhreens themselves already have min-maxed on bioware though, so I suppose it's a bit hard to compare the two.
Don't Dreads look different now, that space marines have been totally revamped and made into SUPER space marines
By shadowrun rules, that'd basically be cyber-legs and cyber-arms when looking at essence cost at least.You can bulk up limbs as much as you want without it costing more essence in rules. You still have a good few points of essence left to play around with. It's only the removal of flesh that strips away your soul.
There'd be more modification involved than just that, since Dreadnaughts are notably heroic veteran space marines who would otherwise have died from their wounds in battle despite their ridiculous normal-level of augmentation and are instead interred within technological sarcophagi that keeps them in a state of unlife which is then implanted in a minimech body so they can continue to fight with the chapter and share their knowledge with their younger brethren.
Its closer to a cyber-zombie but in a system that doesn't have essence as a limiting concept.
Not at all. I don't have body dysmorphia. Turns out the desire to replace body parts is the same mental disorder the chuds have.
Can you go five minutes without randomly bringing up transsexuals.
These two were posted like 13 hours apart, brainlet.
I'm expecting to get fucked over in one way or another if i do, so pass.
I feel like the big problem with most cyberware is that there would logically be wearable tech versions of all of them and most people aren't going to cut out there perfectly functional eyes if they can just wear AR glasses. They aren't going to cut off limbs if they can just wear a strength augmented exoskeleton.
So the answer is only what I might have actually lost.
You could layer subdermal armour with a vest, making it possible to have double-layered protection when desired or be protected when wearing body armor isn't possible.
That's just relevant to games though. In real-life you can layer however many plates that you can carry.
This is how playing Shadowrun in practice feels like. Be a mage and do the smart thing of sacrificing single point of essence (and the corresponding single point of magic) for pain editor and whatever other cyberware you can squeeze in (I usually go with ćybereyes since you blew essence you can cast through them and internal air tank) and dominate forever anywhere there’s less than 5 points of mana background.
Back when Olivia Colman was
>that ditzy copper from Hot Fuzz
and not
>that ditzy copper from Broadchurch
Magic is extremely homosexual. As are elves and dragons.
>ćybereyes since you blew essence you can cast through them
CGL is guilty of a number of crimes. Allowing casting to happen through electronically magnified cybereyes is but one of them.
I wish that sensitive shit like Cybereyes could be temporary shut down with taser or stick and shock rounds.
Just to have a down side to them or a point to just doing one eye.
It's strange that EW isn't that much of a thing in Shadowrun in general. S&S and wide-area white noise jamming is the best on offer as far as I recall. Not all problems to do with electronics can reasonably be fixed by deckers.
I would make it more of a threat and that way Adepts have a reason to exist.
It's certainly going to make any future conflicts a nightmare for ground troops. At least until laser defenses become commonplace.
I mean if the west was involved in a conflict with heavy use of drones they'd actually be alot better when it comes to jamming them.
I still find it funny that despite looking like this, she's her team's medic.
I mean she's only Medic by default, because they lack an actual talented/trained healer on the team.
I mean you don't need to keep a scalpel around if your fingers already are scalpels.
She also uses those knife hands to slice up enemies during the run, that seems unsanitary.
Look chummer, a snicked artery will kill you now, infection kills you in a week. We don't have the budget to run with a proper medic, but in a week we will have the nuyen for some aspirin and anti-fungal cream or whatever cures infections. Just accept that we're running with Jack the Ripper and focus on not getting shot if you're so scared about "static shock" or whatever you were talking about.
They are they gayest shit to happen to war, it's becoming chud shit now.
>tfw you will never be a rigger
Why even live.
>S tier meme
You can join the Uke rigger corps right now, anon
To think EuroWars started a decade ahead of schedule because neosoviets are such fuckups.
Still waiting on the dragons and cat girls.
The future is now.
How the fuck can PrepHole keep a shadowrun thread alive but /tg/ can't
It's almost always the case that off-board threads are better for the thing being discussed. /v/ is the last place that I'd go for vidya, PrepHole is the last for books, and /tg/ has become the last place for ttrpgs.
The 6th edition of Shadowrun killed a lot of enthusiasm on /tg/ and we ran out of things to talk about beyond "how's your table's game going" otherwise. There's still an occasional attempt at a general thread now and then but they don't get much attention anymore because any new game content just reinforces the desire for the game to be allowed to die.
At least here we get some other autists' viewpoints and there are posters with some amount of interest but who don't use /tg/ enough to have burnt out already.
What was so bad about 6e? Is it just the previous edition in a new coat like 5e or something?
They went semi-rules lite but in a way where some of the remaining rules don't even work. A big troll with a battle axe does roughly as much damage as a scrawny human does with a combat knife for example.
>semi rules-lite
I thought the entire appeal of Shadowrun was to kit out your runner for an enviroment that can be lethal if you aren't smart. All the while still being less spread-sheet-y than GURPS.
Rules (and specifically gear and wear) -lite would have been the last direction I would have taken it.
You thought right. There is a reason so many people now just want it to die rather than keep being used like it is now. Personally I want the current owner corporation to die and Shadowrun to get sold off to someone competent but I know it would likely just end up with Fantasy Flight where they'd stick dumb systems and special snowflake dice on it before abandoning any work on it for Asmodee's latest money grab attempt, just like what happened to L5R.
Yeah, the same thing happened with cpred. The only thing reason cyberpunk general was able to stay up at all was the cartoon that came out, but now that the show ended people are back to feeling despair over how cyberpunk is now literally a game that gets supplements on combat wheelchairs, transgender street gangs, and how to play a furry.
>combat wheelchairs, transgender street gangs, and how to play a furry.
You're joking
Please
Combat Wheelchair
https://rtalsoriangames.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/RTG-CPR-Cyberchairv1.1.pdf
Transgender street gangs:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/441424
Furries:
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/m/product/424019
You can't even blame this shit on DEI, Pondsmith and R Talsorian have always been bugmen.
What's so notable about having such stuff in a cyperpunk game?
The wheelchair is literally irrelevant in a cyberpunk setting because you just replace or fix your body parts that don't work.
The furries and trannies are just gross, but not in an interesting way. They're kind of like the fearsome gang of clowns that honk at you and spray you with water pistols. They don't fit, and they're clearly a case of a creator trying to shove their shitty ideas where they don't belong.
>They're kind of like the fearsome gang of clowns that honk at you and spray you with water pistols
Aren't those pretty standard?
Yeah usually when I think of a dystopic, gritty, high tech future this is the first thing that comes to mind. I always wondered why Shadowrun never added them, they're pretty standard.
Would Juggalos fit in cyberpunk?
Juggalos unironically would fit better because they're just wiggers that have parties and do meth while listening to novelty rap-metal groups. They don't literally get plastic surgery and dress up as circus clowns.
I've seen people run Shadowrun's Halloweener gang as Juggalos before
...are they not supposed to be?
It's a good angle for sure. Technically they're supposed to be a distinct own thing but the Juggalo angle just fits in perfectly.
What about the Halloweeners?
I blame Akira, though you can probably trace it back to things like Clockwork Orange.
Wheelchair can be practical if you're trying to save on essence/humanity to use elsewhere. Like why have cool robot legs if you can have super cool robot arms, a chest canon, a mouth machine gun, super eyes, super ears, and a replaced nervous system instead and just have no legs.
Anon they added the wheelchair because some twitter retard made rules for overpowered combat wheelchairs in D&D, and when WotC didn't want to pay her she went to every gaming company with the concept and called them ableist for not having her combat wheelchairs in their games. The only person stupid enough to agree was Pondsmith, because as a black man from California he's particularly susceptible to these kinds of social justice grifts.
>Don't use your magic shapeshifting to give yourself the ability to walk
>Just Wildshape your combat wheelchair
>Doesn't have HP but snowflake "three crits" rules
>Magically regenerates after combat
Could I build armour out of it and only start to take damage after an average of 80 hits (assuming no crit comfirmation needed) every combat?
>The furries and trannies are just gross, but not in an interesting way.
Degenerates are bread and butter of cyberpunk settings.
In cyberpunk setting retarded combat wheelchair is at least technically feasible, in generic fantasy setting like D&D... it is just retarded.
>The furries and trannies are just gross, but not in an interesting way.
At least in Shadowrun the more they mod their body the more they lose themselves. That goes to the point they just die ether by their own hand or have a mental break down and are effectively brain dead.
>combat wheelchairs
>in a universe where you cut off your meat legs to replace them with superior models
Sigh
I guessed as much with the chuds and furrys, but I was really hoping you were joking about the chair
I thought it meant something like a tank lower body.
>combat wheelchairs and trannies
In a world with biomods and cybernetics they would be not exist.
If someone's legs didn't work and they wanted that fixed they would replace them, instead they give you an equally expensive "cyber" chair because these people think being crippled is an identity. Exact same story with the chud shit.
>furries
They uses to be in 2020 as a joke, they aren't joking anymore.
Cities Without Number is automatically the best cyberpunk game because it sees right through gender bullshit and understands that it's just another way to sell you shit.
>I'm punksexual!!
>no you're just poor lmao
Unfathomably based