Fuck iron sights

Since I started learning to shoot pistol I began mostly with a red dot and got fairly good at it. Now I took it off and I suck so much. 10 meters and the group is all over the place. I try to maintain same basic fundamentals so only difference is iron sights instead of the red dot. Pistol I am using is Glock 17. Why do I suck so much ?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You never learned the fundamentals and your reddot is a crutch that let you get away with bad habits.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I was under the impression it is the other way around as you can immediately see if your dot is jumping while pulling the trigger. Most boomers preach irons while ''new school'' goes with the agenda just mentioned and it made sense in theory.

      Cause you tarded, son. Started with irons, upgraded to red dot. Competed in IPSC for 9 years now, can hit shit without actually using sights at all. I just bring the pistol up and laser everything while fully focusing exclusively on the target. I don’t give a shit anymore what’s on my gun.

      I am training for IPSC as well. Should I just ditch the red dot and re-learn? Or stick with the dot as I am okay with it

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        If you are going to shoot ipsc with the reddot keep using the reddot and accept you will be trash with irons cause you dont know how to shoot. If you want to learn fundamentals restart with irons but know it wont help that much with the reddot when you go back to it. If you wantted to be good with the dot use the dot.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Cause you tarded, son. Started with irons, upgraded to red dot. Competed in IPSC for 9 years now, can hit shit without actually using sights at all. I just bring the pistol up and laser everything while fully focusing exclusively on the target. I don’t give a shit anymore what’s on my gun.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Liar spotted.
      You never learned to aim, you learned instinctive shooting. Would not be competitive at anything except blasting clay with shotguns.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I haven’t attended a class in which the instructor didn’t said that at a certain level shooting becomes second nature and you don’t have to aim anymore. Watch people like sexual harassment Tarant, Frank proctor, or Ben Steoger, none of these aim in the classical sense, they point and shoot. Which makes sense, because you have so many reps after all these years, the pistol is just there where you need it to be. Which is also why some guys outshoot amateurs from the hip.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    because Glocks are inherently inaccurate pistols

    you should be using The Hand of God, a Beretta 92

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I agree, I shoot rifles at 200m on a weekly basis, but I also shoot some handguns from time to time.
      Got pretty good groups with .38 Spc revolver at 25m, and everytime I shoot Glocks (17 or 19), my groups are fricking terrible. The trigger is awful and the gun is too light for me.
      I want a good hammer-fired DA/SA pistol. Is the P226 any good, or should I stick with a Beretta 92 ? I can find both at about the same price (500-600€ used).

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        P226 has a terrible Sig tax here in the states, the 92X RDO (has to be a RDO model, not the previous generation) have good upgraded triggers. Replacing all the trigger components with competition grade stuff for the 92 is like 100 bucks (eurooptic 92 Xtreme S trigger group). 170-200 if you want a LTT (Ernest Langdon) Trigger Job In A Bag for a 92. Not sure about prices in Europe though

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      FWIW I’m not nearly as accurate with my 21 as I am with the Beretta. I think the weight and trigger as much as pussies hate on it really make aiming a Beretta almost tutorial mode tier.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do I suck so much ?
    Because you haven't practiced with it as much. Just keep shooting Anon; you'll get there.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You just haven't done it enough. Sights and shooting are a martial art, yes anyone can wildly throw punches and kicks just like how anyone can pull a trigger but it takes time and effort to throw a kick without losing balance or emptying a mag in a 1 inch group. Keep trying at it and you'll get it. One bit of advice, don't listen to the sights, listen to where your shots are landing and learn where your sights are in relation to that point

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    if your group is all over it means your mechanics are inconsistent and you need to shoot more

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Then why does it work with a red dot? Basic fundamentals still apply

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Then why does it work with a red dot? Basic fundamentals still apply

        Because you started with a red dot. You never learned basic fundamentals of Iron Sights which ARE NOT the same. Yes, trigger pull and recoil management, etc remain constant. But getting a proper sight picture, and maintaining that sight picture with Irons vs a Red Dot are two completely different beasts.

        Start from scratch.
        Learn to line up your sights.
        KEEP them lined up.
        Focus on your front sight.
        Put it on target.
        Squeeze (always squeeze, never pull) your trigger.
        Don't be a b***h and flinch or anticipate recoil.
        If you're being a b***h, dry fire practice.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          what's the difference between squeezing and pulling?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            He just means pull gradually and smoothly without jerking the rest of the gun through the motion.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You are weak your bloodline is weak and you will not survive the winter.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I don't understand why you would go back to inferior technology in the first place once you got good would something good. Red dots are HARDER, not easier, to learn to shoot with and do well. The advantage is that if you develop the muscle memory they're effective and can yield better accuracy at longer ranges, but most people learn with irons. You learned with an RDS from the start, why the frick would you ever stop? Or do you just want the challenge or something?

    Also just laugh at all the trolls trying to claim you should learn irons, guess how many of them don't take full advantage of advanced technology that they had access to when young? How many of them use black powder or whatever? Nothing more fudd then "everything made up until I got into guns is old and based, everything newer is bad and noskill."

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >is your barrel oiled , that can throw off first fiew
    >does it have a troublesome feeding (can deform the bullet and seat it deeper throwing off shots
    >do you align the sights properly and consistently
    > keep both eyes open with irons
    > have a good barrel (not too eaten up /fouled
    >are the sights seatid in propperly
    >is your locking mechanism worn
    >triggerpull?
    >psychological
    >do you flinch when "behind the gun"
    >do you hold the gun differently then with a dot

    Support your gun on something and try your groups to check mechanical accuracy

    Use some nailpolish on sights to see if they shift

    It is natural to get worse with irons untill a certain point

    dryfire with snapcaps

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Mason Lane, Ben Stoeger, Hwansik Kim, many other best shooters in the world unequivocally, emphatically recommend starting with a red dot. Get a laser bullet like the pink rhino and experiment with shooting your irons and you’ll quickly (within a couple months of practice) get to the point where it’s similarly easy, but don’t stop using your red dot because it gives you unparalleled constant feedback and helps train target focus. Also do not take advice on shooting from anyone who is not extremely good (USPSA/IPSC M at least), do not post on PrepHole for shooting advice, people will unknowingly shit your brain and you will catch the same wretchedness that accounts for the fact that boomers who have been shooting their whole lives aren’t any better than they were 40 years ago.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    it's all about a smooth consistent trigger pull. other than that just point the gun at the target like you would point your finger at something. kepp both eyes open and reference the front sight generally as you squeeze trigger consistently and evenly without anticipating the shot.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Why do I suck so much ?
    Cause you're thinking about your sights too much. When you "got fairly good" at using a red dot is that because you could bring up your gun and consistently see the dot without having to search for it? That means you know kind of where the gun was aiming. You can do the same thing with irons. Just keep practicing.

    Start from holster or low ready and bring up and push out your gun, focus on and regard your front sight above all else and keep repeating until it becomes natural to get the sights reasonably close when you bring them up.

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry about it too much, OP. Iron sights are a relic of the old era, and modern optics allowing target-focused shootings are inherently superior in every way. They are more natural to use than lining up irons while focusing on the front sight at the cost of everything else in your field of view, and that's a good thing.

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