Is airsoft good for force on force training or do you have to go the simunition route? If it is, what are some good airsoft guns and what kind of airsoft guns for use in force on force?
Force On Force Training
Is airsoft good for force on force training or do you have to go the simunition route? If it is, what are some good airsoft guns and what kind of airsoft guns for use in force on force?
No
>simunition shoots at 450 fps
>airsoft shoots at 450 fps
Why is it bad?
Because
No one is letting you shoot 450 in a building, and Airsoft BBs are going to teach you garbage on how to compensate for bullet drop and what angles you can attack from if you need to get close to score and accurate hit. That and most casual pickup games are everyone doing their own thing, you’d need to find a group and then a milsim game if you wanted to play military.
>No one is letting you shoot 450 in a building, a
Russians have hardcore version of the airsoft called hardball. Using air guns shooting pellets. Max allowed are flat nose lead pellets 7.5 grains at 590 fps.
It's cheap, so children & stupids do it, and they suck at everything, so will make your training worthless.
>children & stupids play airsoft
unironically this, I went to play airsoft with a acouple of my friends cos we thought it looked fun on YT, we found out that most airshitters are retarded and out of shape; moreover, instead of coming up with a better strategy to outmaneuver or flank you, they always opt for not calling their hits and accuse of you cheating because your team wins every single time by being physically fit and more strategic
sex with bocchi
No? It’s just if you want to have fun shooting people with BB’s and do cosplay.
> two right feet
if the military gets to shoot blanks in buildings and call it training you do too
Paintball is significantly better. Less pain, blood simulation and no cheating. Airsoft is okay at very close ranges, but both airsoft and paintball suffer at ranges where even modest firefights take place. Lasertag is a decent equivalent, but I find both commercial sensors and milsurp miles gear to be unreliable in broad daylight, Idk how the fuck the military trusts them for big exercises when they ignore shots half the time. Comes down to what exactly youre trying to simulate I guess.
it's okay for indoor force on force. but honestly you can only get good force on force when setting up scenarios and doing it with like-minded ppl, if you're playing some local pickup games, it's pretty arcadey rather than actual scenario-based training. nevertheless, it's good for practicing some fundamentals like reloading, sight acquisition under pressure , footwork, as well as familiarizing yourself with your kit. nevertheless, you're just looking for an excuse to flex your kit and play toy guns, just go do it instead of making a thread about it
Airsoft is and will forever be non sensical in training for a gunfight. I guess it could be useful because it makes your fat ass move around. Sims are better because they cause pain and manipulate the action of the sim gun.
> manipulate the action of the sim gun.
Gas blowback is a thing.
Paintball is a better training tool because it actually hurts to get shot most times and paintball markers are all pretty similar so people actually have to learn how to manuever around each other and bound from cover to cover instead of Airsoft where 20 year olds in gucci gear slowly walk around while pointing their 6x scopes and firing their 1400 dollar 'sniper rifles' at each other and then denying they got hit. Harder to fake being splattered in the mask with a paintball.
Is paintball not also made exclusively of 18 to 25 year old boys?
Post one 48-72 hour paintball game that occurs in a multi million dollar MOUT city.
Whenever I've seen anyone talking about CQB or urban FoF training, it's always been people talking about how to clear a building, or some other version of the military side of that encounter, WHICH IS FUCKING DUMB, because it's always civilians talking about it.
Are there any resources on how to secure a building AGAINST CQB? How to survive a government raid? How to prepare for, resist, and defeat attacks by a superior force?
Does anyone in milsim do that? Or do they just larp?
>How to survive a government raid
Drop your gear, throw your hands in the air and follow directions from the burly men with big guns. They'll flexcuff you, add you to the biometric registry, and take you to a detention center where you can get a cup of coffee during the interview process.
>Aww yiss, govern me harder daddy
Or you can die to superior firepower, superior numbers, and superior training. It's your choice. By mid-GWOT the smart insurgents learned to surrender or suicide when raided because they had no hope to match government troops in CQB.
If you larp as an insurgent violently fighting government troops in CQB you fall in the cannon fodder category who the smart insurgents will have to replace with town idiots the next year.
Waco repelled the first ATF assault, and made them have to negotiate. Koresh then blew the negotiation by being an insane idiot.
Bundy ranch won.
Not perfectly related, but citizens also won the Battle of Athens.
The government's ability to oppress is limited. You don't have to defeat them, you just have to make them prefer asking politely over trying to steamroll you without knocking. Appeasement to genuine tyranny will do what it has always done, and just encourage more tyranny.
>just put some sugar on it and I'll bend the knee, yessa master!
It's ok bro. We know.
>Post one 48-72 hour paintball game that occurs in a multi million dollar MOUT city.
When I was younger there was a yearly scenario game that took place at Camp Blanding's MOUT site in FL. Shit was rad, but some shitty event organizer ruined it for everyone
>some shitty event organizer ruined it for everyone
How?
All the games prior had used a special formulation of paint that was easier to wash off the buildings after and it was more expensive. Event organizer didnt use said type of paint, and also didnt hire a cleaner-truck to hose down the buildings after.
Airsoft is fine. People shitting on it don't realize that simunitions are nothing like firing a real bullet. Stuff like the MILES system has huge limitations like being blocked by foliage. Militaries use both despite this, because they're emphasizing something different than what going to the range does. Milsim events will allow you to work as a team with others, with comms in a tactical setting solving problems against an intelligent enemy who can freely react to your actions. This alone is a huge positive that has very serious training value if you understand the limitations of it. Also you can access huge MOUT facilities that you'd never get access to as a civilian in any other context.
>Milsim events will allow you to work as a team with others, with comms in a tactical setting solving problems against an intelligent enemy who can freely react to your actions
this man has never gone airsofting or interacted with anyone from the airsoft community.
Get a VFC or TM MWS GBBR M4 and go play CQB
It's better than shooting paper on a flat range
force onto Bocchi
Bocchi is not for forcing, she is for cuddling and gentle lovemaking.
>Played airshit fresh out of the army because friend is into it and I figure why not?
>12 year old boys camping
>layout of buildings is nonsensical; doesn't resemble anything a human being would actually occupy
>30-year old neverserveds who unironically go by "cAlLsIgNs"
>fatties wearing fake ops-cores
>zero teamwork, just a complete free for all
>pacing of the fights is just people running at each other
It's a game where people bum rush each other. It doesn't really match the pace/energy of actual force-on-force (did it with simunitions in the Army). It really is more like an IRL video game than anything applicable to tactics/military training.
One of the other infantry companies in my first battalion did airsoft training every so often yeah. Don't know how often it was. Indoor I think. Jealous of those fuckers because my company sucked. US army btw
OP here, I think a lot of you misunderstand. I'm not looking into getting into playing airsoft, I'm looking into if it is viable to use airsoft guns for the use of force on force training with a group of friends I know where we can actually set up the scenarios similar to an FTX.
simunitions are hilariously expensive are are less accurate than airsoft guns.