FNs new rifle and cartridge at SHOT

FN made a new rifle and a new cartridge. Long stroke piston AR18-ish rifle with a folding stock. No details on the new cartridge other than metric designation and some pictures. It’s a 6.5x43. Looks like a grendel/x39 case head with an OAL a little longer than 5.56. 2 piece case. Both case head and cylinder are steel. Maybe it runs at really high pressure? They got Magpul to make 25rd pmags for it. Anyway it’s in the military section of FNs booth so maybe won’t make it to the civilian market.

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/shot-show-2023-fn-americas-new-individual-weapon-system/

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Long stroke piston
    >Trilug bolt
    >XCR controls
    What the fuck does that have to do with an AR18? Not everything that isn't an AR15 is an AR18 you gay.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well you see it has a piston, which armalite clearly invented 60s.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. gun enthusiast
        (I know you're kidding)

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks gay fuck FN

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This post brought to you by Palmetto State Poorgayry Gang

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Looks based love FN

      Duality

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks based love FN

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    A picture of the cartridges. The case head/rim design looks eerily similar to the hybrid rifle cases made by shell shock

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      SEXOOOOO

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally Shell Shock case.

      https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/novx-pentagon-5-56x45mm-with-nas3-stainless-steel-casing-and-55gr-solid-copper-hp/49568

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/OY3F9ht.jpg

      FN made a new rifle and a new cartridge. Long stroke piston AR18-ish rifle with a folding stock. No details on the new cartridge other than metric designation and some pictures. It’s a 6.5x43. Looks like a grendel/x39 case head with an OAL a little longer than 5.56. 2 piece case. Both case head and cylinder are steel. Maybe it runs at really high pressure? They got Magpul to make 25rd pmags for it. Anyway it’s in the military section of FNs booth so maybe won’t make it to the civilian market.

      https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/01/18/shot-show-2023-fn-americas-new-individual-weapon-system/

      >remakes 6.5 grendle
      >will never be released to the civillian market
      Heh, nothing personal kid

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good for them .30 sc was getting lonely up there.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want one so badly its unreal. Civvie version fucking now.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Here you go buddy https://robinsonarmament.com/product/xcr-l-standard/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol no. Not even the same caliber. The point is an intermediate sized cartridge with battle rifle energy.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You going to pony up the $1.50+ per round to shoot it?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure. I mostly shoot .308 so it's not that much more.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$4999
      >warranty voided if rapid fired

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't see the point. who's supposed to buy this?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The army, once they realize the XM5 is shit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia and/or Ukraine. Btw, who's gonna win?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Us.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The army, once they realize the XM5 is shit.

      Honestly I can see this being picked up to replace the m4.
      I think they'll stop fooling themselves with the xm5 eventually, drop in an 18-20" barrel, and be like "wow, this thing FUCKS as a dmr, huh?" and shift them over to that purpose.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I will the fucking second they let me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People obsessed with ultimate ambidextriusness

      The army, once they realize the XM5 is shit.

      I expect them to talk their way out of acquiring this gun because they can just rebarrel the M4's and modify the OAL for this cartridge then talk themselves out of rebarreling the M4's because not using 5.56 will bring about logistical constraints.

      When it comes to the gun community it will be pretty much the same exact cope about the XM5 minus the gun's weight since it seems to be basically like the newer AR-10's but chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor short.
      >too much recoil for the women
      >Wat. no 30 round magazines
      >The ammunition is heavier than 5.56

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Puts 120kpsi 5.56 hybrid cases in legacy M4's
        >It actually works
        AR's on MARs, 2040's and beyond baby, let's goooo

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Da. Personally I wish they'd neck it up to .30 cal and stick standard 150 grain ball into it just for the lols. The future will be 30-06 forever, we will just continue shrinking the case length until we get to 150 grain .30 cal bullets out of a pistol cartridge length casing. maybe mass effect field generators to speed up a .30 cal (made up of something denser with higher melting temperature of course) projectile to mach 5 or something

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >.300 HAM'R hybrid case
            >150gr 3000fps
            Wilson-sama, I kneel

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Wilson has fuck all to do with it, he just let one guy so a shitload of work, paid that guy to slap WT on it then dropped it once he figured out a better twist rate and P.O.Ackley'd the shoulder. And now it feeds worst

              t.7.62wt haver

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like an ever so slightly scaled down NGSW and 6.8x51. If it does run at high pressures, no doubt it will achieve similar trajectory (or better, bullet form factor looks better), range, and penetration, Without the giga recoil and bulk of the larger round

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NEW CALUBER JUST DROPPED :O :O

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >HUXWURX has made a 6.5 diameter suppressor in the same style as the FLOW556k
    I want this NOW.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      /thread
      Also based digits 2023 is gonna be based I guess

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >FN America have unveiled a brand new rifle developed for a US government requirement.
    >The new weapon and ammunition was developed for the Irregular Warfare Technology Support Directorate (IWTSD). Interestingly, the aim for the project was to provide overmatch against emerging great power competitors and future threats. A similar goal to the US Army’s Next Generation Squad Weapon System which coalesced on a 6.8mm round.
    So glowies and black ops weren't satisfied with the NSGW and wanted their own "next gen" weapon, is that right ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They want NGSW but actually good

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bingo. They let the retard companies spend billions designing them, found what they liked, then handed it off to a real company with the cherry picked data for 1/4 the price.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          FN's rifle just says "Call me when the XM5 doesn't work out. I'm here."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I have a feeling the XM5 will never become the M5A1. It's just too bulky. Unless they make an accurized DMR version, which would make more sense. I also wonder why FN wasn't part of the initial competition for the NSGW between GD and Sig, since that design looks pretty close to what the army wanted. Maybe because FN is not an American company ?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              FN was. With the MRGG. It was ruled out early on.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I looked it up and it was basically just another AR-10. Not quite close to other NSGW competitors.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's more of a SCAR with AR controls plastered on. But yeah, pretty stupid. This new LICC one is way cooler.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              FN had a HAMR derivative and probably a MRGG derivative up (we know they had 2 bids).

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Doesn't matter what they want, the 6.8fury won and will be made for the next 30years. They will have to cope and adapt or have this 6mm round die off. Between the XM5 and FN IFC the IFC is more practical, it looks like a well thought design where the XM5 is a behemoth that had stuff added to it as it went along.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    FN could put their logo on a pile of shit and I’d still buy it

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >finally a charging handle not on the wrong side
    BASEDDDD

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's on both sides.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh fuck that's retarded

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          New meta, see XM5, uhhh, I mean XM7.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Likes giving reacharounds

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is ludicrously superior to the nigsaw in terms of aesthetic appearance

    really, really like how this looks

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Both case head and cylinder are steel. Maybe it runs at really high pressure?
    Current version is more optimised for lighter case weight than pressure. It has large cut INS into case base to reduce "meat" in this area and weight. High strength of the steel base makes it possible.
    Though if course they can make less cut case head variant for higher pressures.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >6.5x43
    Could be a more reasonable alternative to 5.56x45mm instead of the 6.86x51mm nonsense which nobody outside the US will adopt since 7.62x51mm already exists.

    Any pics of it out yet?

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is what I’ve been waiting for. Not a cartridge that’s shoehorned into a 5.56 STANAG or an .308 SR25/AR10/G3/FAL/M14 mag. The ideal cartridge is somewhat longer than the 5.56 magazine will allow but short enough to have feeding problems from a .308 magazine. The proliferation of those magazines has hampered service rifle cartridge development for almost 50 years.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nope. High pressure hybrid case .308 necked down to 6.5 mm shot out of AR10's is GOAT. The army made a mistake going with a 7 mm bullet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yep. 6.5x43mm IWK is a great example. Basically identical performance to 6.5 grendel but without the crappy case geometry that makes it unreliable from belts or box mags over 20 rounds. The 6.5x43mm IWK wont fit a STANAG, but is too short to do the whole .308 magazine thing. 6.5cm is a great paper puncher, but the size of everything to accommodate the .308 case head and length makes a service rifle needlessly heavy. If you need to reach out to 1200 yards in a military capacity you want a bigger payload than 6.5cm. Thats not even getting into ammunition weight.

        The new 6.8 cartridge and the spear is super dumb.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >6.5 grendel
          Not powerful enough. I want 6.5mm 8g bullet going 1000m/s at the muzzle.
          Incredible ballistics,
          Incredible wounding,
          decently light weight
          decently low recoil

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What you want is a 6.8x51 necked down to 6.5 (.264).

            Or just a 6.8x51 with a 135gr bullet (SD equal to 123gr .264), fired from a long (~20-24”) barrel.

            That’s way up in the battle rifle weight class. Impossible to achieve with a round that can fit in an AR15 sized gun without resorting to 120kpsi+

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              AR10 size range is just fine. They're still decently light weight. Given the reality of every soldier having an optic I think that a high pressure 6.5 in battle rifle size range is a really great compromise. Works excellently out of optic equipped LMG's as well.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If you’re fine with all that, then the 6.8x51 is just whats you’re describing, just .013” wider in diameter.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Key factor of bullet performance is its form not weight or SD.

              3rd from right is 64 gr "5.56 mm D" bullet. 0.218 G7 BC. Better than 147 grain M80 7.62x51 NATO bullet. Just let it sink in for while.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What is each bullet? Also why chose M80? It wouldn't say it's known for it's amazing BC.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >What is each bullet?
                M193 / M855 / M856 (fired) / 70 gr VKO / 64 gr "5.56 mm D" / 7N6 / 5.45 tracer.

                >Also why chose M80? It wouldn't say it's known for it's amazing BC.
                Because its standard battle rifle ball round. BTW 7.62x51 NATO M118 is not much better easier. It has better BC but its BC comes from SD and additional weight and comes at price of reduced velocity.

                High speed low drag, that is the mottto. Not fat and slow.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hah. This is the 2nd time you’re replying to me with that picture. I know all about form factor. I didn’t think it needed mentioning because the difference in form factor of equal length .264 and .277 is just so minimal.

                Who makes that 64gr 5.56 and can I buy it?

                Do you know how to derive form factor from bullet shape/proportions? I’m going through a thought experiment of a .204 FABRL-type bullet in a high pressure 5.7 case and want to derive G7BC’s and bullet lengths, but don’t know how other than comparing it to existing spritzer bullets with known i7 form factors .

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Who makes that 64gr 5.56 and can I buy it?
                https://www.researchgate.net/publication/313511791_Towards_a_600_m_GP_lightweight_cartridge_part_IV
                Emeric D makes them. Contact him.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          7x46UIAC makes more sense than a Grendel clone IMO, the fat G is just too slow for me/IMO.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We’re in the era of 80kpsi, everything is different now. At 80kpsi, a grendel approaches the velocities of a 6.5CM. Just need the cases and actions to support that pressure. Neither of which are a problem. 2 major companies now are making hybrid case ammo that can support high pressures.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Right, and I'd love that, I think the other anon though has problems with the short/fat/squat nature of the Grendel, so if we were talking solely longer-COAL rounds, between the IWK and the UIAC, I'd look more towards the UIAC myself. (That, or .264 USA or something because it has "USA" in the name)

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              How about 80K PSI 5.56?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then you're dealing with velocities that begin to have too much wear on a barrel. There's a reason you don't see 5000fps bullets.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like 1000 m/s from 14.5''? Same velocity M16 already had with M193? Problems?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Like 1000 m/s from 14.5''? Same velocity M16 already had with M193? Problems?

                You don't need 80kpsi to get 3k fps from 55gr out of a 14.5" barrels...?

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >3k fps
                But you need it to get 4600 fps.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                see

                Then you're dealing with velocities that begin to have too much wear on a barrel. There's a reason you don't see 5000fps bullets.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                64 grains

                https://i.imgur.com/2FSAKqa.jpg

                Key factor of bullet performance is its form not weight or SD.

                3rd from right is 64 gr "5.56 mm D" bullet. 0.218 G7 BC. Better than 147 grain M80 7.62x51 NATO bullet. Just let it sink in for while.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I would coom instantly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But will the 6.5x43 FN be the same as the 6.5x43 IWK?
          I wouldn't mind if they bring the latter back instead of creating a new cartridge.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a weird way to describe what the Czechs called the 7.62x45

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do we think they will sell this and their MRGG to civvies anytime soon?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >this
      Probably, but not for over a year
      >mrgg
      Never, but not to any military either, it's dead in the water

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They got Magpul to make 25rd pmags for it.
    Why didn't they use the Six8 mags?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m guessing the case head is ever so slightly wider. And the mags pictures in the article I posted look like they have less taper to them than the six8 mags.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will never be an AR-15

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Leave

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >long-stroke piston

    lol you mean the worst operating system for suppressors?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Weird way of spelling DI

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DI is the quietest tho, long-stroke is pretty much the loudest gas operating system you can put on a rifle.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          DI with the quietest can is loudest at the ejection port (I'm sure I don't have to explain to you why that is if you're making such a bold claim), and if you balance it with a flow-through suppressor then you're trading suppression at the muzzle for suppression at the ejection port. Feel free to look up any muzzle/ejection port comparison between a HUXWRX flowthrough can and the RC2.
          Neither short stroke nor long stroke have the same weakness that DI does when it comes to that. That's not to say they're silent at the ejection port, obviously increased pressure is also coming from the chamber, but there's a difference between hot gasses escaping past an extracting case and hot gases being vented out of the bolt carrier and out of the ejection port into the gas tube.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            NTA
            but why would I touch anything with a pisston?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Does a longer unlocking time help with this problem? Say the straight portion of the cam track for the bolt was twice as long. Are we in the realm of making an appreciable difference in ejection port volume?

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is it a Scar?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Right side charging
    NGMI
    >++P++ Grendel
    Now that's neat.
    >Anyway it’s in the military section of FNs booth so maybe won’t make it to the civilian market.
    DROPPED.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Man FN REALLY missed the mark on this one, this in 5.56 and available to the civ market would give the 416 a run for its money.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would be a blunder. There are enough 5.56 guns as is, there is literally no nontrvivial improvement you can make to 5.56 guns short of a Sullivan-esque unified rifle/MG. The militaries want overmatch and armor penetration.

      But I’ve been shilling for a possible 5.56 sized cartridge with hybrid case and long, heavy, low ff, high BC bullet going at 3200+ fps.

      2 captchas back to back. A0W and RDX lulz

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >there is literally no nontrvivial improvement you can make to 5.56 guns
        Rest of post is good, not this
        >No, I won't elaborate

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What more could you add to them? They do everything they’re supposed to do. You could fuck with barrel length a little, change the gas system, bolt geometry, etc, make other tinkering improvements but in the end you have a gun that is not better enough than an m4 to warrant the logical headache that accompanies adoption, and you won’t have the economies of scale to be able to make it cheap enough to compete with regular basic bitch ARs.

          Designing a new gun around a new cartridge gives one the opportunity to replace 2 or more guns with one rifle, instead of remaining constrained to the performance envelope of the legacy cartridge. That’s always a valuable thing. Like the unified rifle/MG I mentioned in my previous post. Now that is a monumental leap forward, obsoleting 20 pound LMGs and giving every rifleman a bona fide machinegun.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Logistical*

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wouldn't the sum of those parts be greater than the whole, though?
            If you just do one or two things, sure, maybe, but if you have a rifle that is
            >Lighter
            >More Reliable
            >Easier to shoot
            >More precise
            >etc etc
            It'd be as good as a new rifle, right?
            I get your point about the two roles though, even if I'm not sure it'd work that way in practice. There's still a delineation between a carbine and a support weapon, and I'm not sure everyone's going to be equipped in such a way for any Joe to be able to flex into a prior-dedicated role like that, though, I admit I could be wrong in this, etc.
            The ammo "builds" on the foundation of the role basically, or something, if that even makes sense.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It would, yeah. But a 6th new feature of improved trajectory/range/terminal effect makes an even better rifle. And those qualities you listed, the AR is already excellent at those things. “More reliable” as in, what? An extra few hundred rounds inbetween stoppages? How much better accuracy do you want out of the gun, without changing the ammo? The improvements at this juncture become marginal and are in the realm of diminishing returns, IMO. But who knows, maybe tomorrow someone releases a paradigm shift weapon chambered in 5.56

              Easy to shoot and lighter though are fair points, and things I want to see in a rifle, and that was the whole point of even mentioning a unified rifle/MG. In my mind I’m simply thinking of a really light, constant recoil AR sized weapon with almost no recoil in full auto

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >“More reliable” as in, what?
                No lube, submerged in water, then left in -65F weather, and still works when you pick it up with no extra steps.
                >How much better accuracy do you want out of the gun, without changing the ammo?
                Minimum 1MOA with *ALL* (reasonable) ammunition, from the factory
                I just like to aim big I guess, kek
                >In my mind I’m simply thinking of a really light, constant recoil AR sized weapon with almost no recoil in full auto
                That would definitely be pretty sick, anon. ESPECIALLY if it's in some .224 Valkyrie/6mm ARC/etc hypermagnum (my opinion). Rapid but accurate fire at 600 yards would be insane while not needing to break the infantry's backs further with excessive weight, etc etc
                Aim for the moon, hit the stars or something, I dunno. I sorta feel like we're *almost* there, if not damn close already, but perhaps the costs would be just THAT prohibitive compared to a more reasonable mid-frame AR with constant recoil and a charged-up Grendel, etc etc
                Who knows, but so far SHOT has actually been decently interesting (to me) this year, sorta same with .mil procurement/news, so we'll see I guess!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >obsoleting 20 pound LMGs and giving every rifleman a bona fide machinegun.

            If all gay gun control acts didn't exist stuff like this would probably be the main service rifle of the US. The only reasoning for a medium/heavy machine gunner would just to bust cover locations while a horde of yankees bum rush the fortified area unloading a constant wall of lead (obviously this is fantasy based off of an alternate timeline if capitalism(Rothschild garden gnomery), communism, socialism, and other gay European ideologies weren't imported into the US via mass immigration).

            >why would actually light lmg's be the main service rifle
            One of the biggest reasons, besides boomer nostalgia, on why the military won't let go of the M4. So many existing companies cranking out parts that are easily interchangeable (logistics). Oops you want to upsize the military and don't have enough guns to outfit the fresh meat? get already existing companies to start cranking out billet receivers and whatever other parts they make inhouse. There's obviously going to be a conditional in the contract to force the company to get proper tooling down the line to meet milspec requirements to retain the contract the last thing someone would want is to get sued by the government and have probably years of work be done for free or worse, to basically pay the government to make shit for them.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              whoops. forgot some words. am tired. basically in a non-cucked America every goober owning an actually light LMG would force the military to adopt one as their main service rifle since pretty much every gun company would have the ability to start cranking out LMG's for them. I mean they kinda do now if for that gun since it looks like it's aluminum and not stamped steel but to start becoming a globohomo shill will definitely destroy the bottom line (actual paying customers that won't drop them like a used up hooker in Davos).

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you can probably do one better. If you could scale down a 6.8x51 to intermediate size, such that a grunt could carry several hundred rounds worth, you would retain the sectional density and velocity of the 6.8, while improving bullet form factor, resulting in equal or better penetration, trajectory, and energy retention. energy levels would be inbetween a 5.56 and 308. such a cartridge could probably do everything, including filling a GPMG’s and DMR’s roles.

              Have you heard of the Surefire MGX?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also want to add that a new weapon platform in 5.56 is sort of an admission from FN that “hey our SCAR sucks, maybe try this instead”. It would be dumb for them to cannibalize their own products.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What is there to do that hasn't been done already?
          Want an AR15 but better? There's a dozen companies that make AR15s with extended uppers (LWRC), monolithic uppers (LMT), lowers that give you perfect freefloat (Springfield), superlight models (POF), standard AR's built to the best quality (DD), whatever.
          Want a piston AR15? You got HK, LMT, SIG Sauer and every other manufacturer since the early 2000s.
          ant a non-AR gun? You got FN's own SCAR. Again you have HK. You have B&T. You have the Swiss SIG. You have Beretta The XCR. The ACR. Tavors, AUGs, Desert Techs.

          Every permutation of the 5.56 combat rifle has been developed by someone somewhere at this point.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's why armies and gun manufacturers are focusing more and more on improving ammo performance and targeting systems. That's where the real gains can be made. Choosing one (good) rifle over the other is most likely inconsequential in most battles if they share the same caliber.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That would be totally pointless, 5.56 AR15s are the most oversaturated market in firearms history. This is certainly unusual insofar that its a folding-stock piston AR, but the MCX has already cornered that market for the high end and BRN-180s for the low end. To say nothing of FNs own 16S, which while not an AR would have far too much in common with this thing in 5.56. I'm not saying it wouldn't sell at all, but 5.56 rifles are not remotely a boom market and it wouldn't be worth the trouble.

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    k keep me poasted

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >That huge takedown lever
    What's even the point?

  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i think it at least looks nicer than the sig

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like a much more reasonable replacement for the 5.56 and M4 than the NGSW stuff. FN claims that a fully loaded 25-round mag for this thing weighs about the same as a fully loaded 30-round 5.56 PMAG, which is pretty remarkable if true given how much higher performance that 6.5 round must be compared to 5.56.
    Also, the shorter barreled variants (11.5" & 14.5") will supposedly be about 7-8lbs, not that bad given the likely performance of the rifle. I can only hope that FN eventually makes a semiauto version for the civilian market someday.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As far as we know it's still being tested by SOCOM, they bought 360,000 rounds for testing less than a year and a half ago.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Name one reason why do need that instead of M4 without mentioning
      >muh 800 meters Afghanistan firefights! Muh Russian/ISIS hybrid PKM overmatch!
      Because they you get NGSW

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you implying that much improved power and long-range performance aren't valid reasons?

        >Because they you get NGSW
        This rifle and its ammo are almost certainly significantly lighter, handier and lighter-recoiling than the MCX Spear and its 6.8 round, which is why I said that it seems like a much more reasonable replacement for the M4 than the SIG stuff, assuming you are indeed wanting to replace it with something with more range and power. If you don't care about that, then by all means, keep your 5.56 M4.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Are you implying that much improved power and long-range performance aren't valid reasons?
          If you go with logic "range is good, we need overmatch Russians/ISIS hybrid PKM" then you get NGSW. Range is good you get more range, and where to stop? This how NGSW was made.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And I'm saying that FNA and IWTSD seem to have come up with a much more reasonable solution with the IWS program requirements than the Army with the NGSW, so you don't necessarily have to go that overboard.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              But this solution is overmatched by NGSW.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Everything is a list of tradeoffs, always depends on where you wish the balance to be to achieve whatever task you have in mind. A more powerful, longer-ranged rifle will typically involve more weight and recoil; it's all about how much more you're willing to accept. If your goal is to replace the M4 with something more powerful and long-ranged without increasing the soldier's weight load back to 7.62 battle rifle levels, the IWS seems to be an intriguing option.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The intended purpose of this FN rifle/MG in the new 6.5x43mm is to replace ALL small arms in US SOCOM/Canadian SOF inventory. No more 6.5 Creedmore/7.62 NATO rifles/MG's, no more 5.56 guns. Literally a highly configurable, high velocity + flat trajectory hard hitting but low recoil cartridge with almost the same weight per cartridge as a 5.56. 180 rounds of 6.5x43 weighs the same as 200 rounds of 5.56. Its even lighter weight than 7.62x39 or 6.5 Grendel. A standardized universal rifle, MG, and cartridge that has the capabilities and performance of both a 5.56 and 7.62x51, developed specifically for SOF use. It'll likely go over to Australia, UK, and other western SOF units as well.

  29. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did FN abandon the mrgg? There hasn't been any news about it for almost an entire year

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I suspect this is its successor, since they have appear to have the same goal, role and customer. Its hard to tell though since parallel redundant contracts happen all the time.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Separate programs, MRGG is run directly by SOCOM, LICC is run by the IWTSD and the Canadians
      And FN is still in both, though I don't see why SOCOM would adopt both, suspect they want to compare costs and benefits and then decide

  30. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the charging handle ambi, or did they shit the bed and require you take your hand off the trigger to charge the gun?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the only control that isn't ambi is the takedown latch

  31. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OK cool now make it in 308

  32. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP's image.
    > plastic selector?
    > plastic mag release button?
    Jesus, there's value engineering, then there is pants-on-head retarded engineering

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And those things should be metal, why?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > metal, why?
        selector - no benefit to making plastic
        mag release - no benefit to making plastic
        Seriously, these parts have "just worked" for years being metal. Switching to plastic seems like a solution in search of a problem.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cheaper, lighter, quicker to manufacture..?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cheaper by cents. An AR15 LPK costs almost nothing.

            Lighter by grams, on an 8 pound rifle.

            Quicker, sure, but how fast they can make rifles is bottlenecked by the part that takes the longest to make.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Every bit counts. You're singling out one small improvement when the purpose is for many small improvements to add up to larger ones.

              selector - no benefit to making metal
              mag release - no benefit to making metal

              Durability, technically..

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          selector - no benefit to making metal
          mag release - no benefit to making metal

  33. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2 safety levers
    >2 fucking bolt releases
    >2 got damn charging handles
    whats next, 2 foward assists?
    we need to bring back nuns in schools so they can use their rulers of justice and rid the world of wretched left handers and their heathen ambidextruous demands

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >whats next, 2 foward assists?
      What about a backward assist?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their MRGG has 3 forward assists. The AR style one and a charging handle on both sides that can act as one.

  34. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck, AR15's and AK's are getting old...

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