>fly into enemy territory risking AA fire on a Mi-8 deathtrap
>kill your entire crew somehow without crashing it
>surrender to the enemy along with your gunship
>refuse to elaborate
The absolute mad lad
>fly into enemy territory risking AA fire on a Mi-8 deathtrap. >kill your entire crew somehow without crashing it
Having your crew killed is scummy. Defectors are one thing, trailers another.Why is he showing his face? Guy should get a new name and slip into the aether.
>Defectors are one thing, trailers another.
Yes sirs very dishonourable for redeeming his crews benchode sir
It's not an mmorpg. They don't duplicate the rewards for every party member, and they're only paying for one comfy apartment in Lviv.
The crew is alive and living new lives as Fred Smith and John Wilson in Florida. They were all in on it but at least one guy needed to be the figurehead.
Well, their organs are.
The famous vatmoron projection at work again. I guess this means Russians really are harvesting Ukie POW organs.
Didn't even think of that. Makes sense. Either way, very funi for me.
Frederik Smithonovich and Iovan Wilsonov from the Florida Oblast are most excellent comrades of the great United Soviets
This. They pulled this guy family out from Russia before action. Other crew members they didn't. So they are "dead".
Osama killing tier proof.
It's a good strat. This way, even if Russia suspects it, they have to pretend like they are families of Russian heroes.
the pic isn't proof of anything at all, other than GUR willingness to openly / unabashedly claim they ventilated two of them.
but as a general rule, in glowops it pays to have a deep abiding respect for the fact that adding complexity increases risk of failure in dramatic and unpredictable ways. even the CIA (nroc) can't always protect defectors, especially ones who want to do stupid shit like mingle with old friends or go back home unannounced. keeping the one guy alive will be more than enough of a headache for UA's glowwies.
General rule if you killed the guy you show body as proof. Not
>we killed Osama I swear we just threw out his body
They weren't significant targets, or even known at all.
nobody owes you a damn thing. do you habitually retort to people by repeating their phrasing back to them? should i say "neener neener pumpkin eater"? what do you want, manchild?
i presented the story as provided by UA intelligence. i signalled clearly that i am open to the possibility that they are alive, but i don't consider it especially likely or interesting to discuss
– i have no way of knowing whether there were, in fact, even 3 personnel onboard the craft. all of this could be falsified. i was not part of the op and i do not expect to receive definitive answers on it.
i would rather hunt you down and scalp you than have to explain this again. every oversocialised replyguy gay itt: get some self respect
>he think osama wasn't killed
yikes
If he is dead then show me his body.
SEALs fucking magdumped his head so even if we saw the body pics, they'd probably be unrecognizable. Fucking knuckleheads.
>he buys into the glowie version of events instead of the truth, a.k.a. him dying in December 2001
ngmi
source?
>The crew is alive and living new lives as Fred Smith and John Wilson in Florida. They were all in on it but at least one guy needed to be the figurehead.
this
Can confirm, just saw them at WaWa
THEY EXPECT ONE OF US IN THE TWITTER POSTS BROTHER
>Defectors are one thing,
>Having your crew killed is scummy.
they got killed because they tried to fight back / wouldn't surrender. UA intelligence has no qualms about this and even gave a pic of bloodied equipment to the press.
for time travelers, this was called
>Operation Cиниця
So they stole military equipment, flew into enemy territory, landed, and then changed their minds?
Fucking baffling
the ukrainian line is that the two KIA weren't in on it, panicked, and couldn't be taken alive.
given that widening the circle of trust tends to lead to utter retardation – spy games for the mentally disabled types of shit, from the russian side – it made sense to limit the plan to just the pilot. this article discusses one other time when trying to lure a pilot caused the fsb to go full pants on head retard
https://mil.in.ua/uk/articles/pershyj-trofejnyj-yak-rosijskyj-ekipazh-peredav-my-8-ukrayinskij-rozvidtsi/
>Also, one of the employees of the counter-intelligence of the FSB of the Russian Federation - Nikita Bukhtatov, who supervised the military pilots. He ran an Instagram account under his real name, in which he published photos of military aircraft of the Russian Air Force.
>In particular, on his Instagram page, the Russian counterintelligence officer posted a photo from a military airfield with an IL-76 aircraft and a Mi-8 helicopter. At the same time, he placed his own car with an undisguised license plate on their background. It also shows the level of professionalism of individual representatives of the Russian special service
Jfc lmao
the bit about demanding a new (russian) passport for the fake mistress is the most silovik-tier thing i've heard in a while.
>comrade our enemy is trying to lure me to defect with promises of cash and mucho hoholina sexxo, what shall i say? let us put the ass in the ass
>AAA BLYAD so dickyING, this can only being of ANGLOSAXON doings. we must finding amerikanski mole. demand passport!!
>respected comrade comradirovich what excuse i give for need passport?
>DOMESTIC ABUSE BLYAD
Isn't that they guy the switch(blad)ed off? That was also some FSB glowie that loved to post his car on social. The drone video was great.
Ye, kinda funny given the backstory now
i guess Russia is plagued with its own version of SEALs after all
And they are most definitely better than their average soldier
I miss when Russia was just a funny fucked up whimsical place full of goons and dumb women and not a shitty attempt at the USSR as done by the Russian Mafia.
haven't you seen the videos of random russians clearly in a fucked position deciding to go out in a "blaze of glory", i.e., become swiss cheese? or they grenade themselves ww2 jap style
I really don't get it. These guys are fucking brainwashed beyond comprehension if they'd rather die than go to summer camp for a bit then go home. They must know their wives are fucking tyrone the african immigrant
It's not that hard to understand. If you get told one thing long enough, in the absence of other information, you just believe it. I've seen people believe dumber shit for less effort.
>I really don't get it.
Ru soldiers have seen how UA POWs are horrifically tortured and murdered. And their superiors say they will undergo the same experience in kind if captured. So mind as well do a banzai charge or check out yourself.
reason 2: ru population has utter disregard for their disabled veterans and life is unironically not worth living in that state in the utter shithole that is russia
Ah yes, they are totaly dead and not in US of A with new identity, proof here is bloody rag. That’s how you know they are really dead.
>arguing about a marginal possibility which doesn't alter the outcome or matter
womanish
Thats ketchup you retard
It didn't occur to you how unconvincing that story is even once?
I mean, think about how much blood splattered stuff Uke officials could show you but they clean up. Those guys have family still in Russia for sure.
Not that anon but I'd doubt the other two were ever in on the scheme, simply because it would have required the Ukrainian glowies to convince three individuals to do this instead of just one: they obviously need the pilot on their side to fly the helicopter to their destination, but the other two aren't so necessary, and trying to get them too risks compromising the entire plot if either decides they don't want to join in and reports it to superiors.
Admittedly I don't have all the information so can't say for certain it's not the case (for instance I could see one convincing the other two to join them if all three were close friends, held mutual unhappiness about the war, and were privately honest about this with one another), but overall it still seems unlikely.
Imagine if you couldn't get your families out of Russia, you know they're going to be punished for your defection. Let's say instead you "died" during your defection, they can at least apply for death gibs from the Russian state while arranging to get out later.
This seems to be the most plausible explanation to me.
No he probably shot them, it's rare to get one air force defector, the odds of all three crew being defectors is very low. Somehow he began communications with ukraine intelligence, and they worked out a plan for him. It would he far too risky for him to share this plan with his crew as he would have to be 100% sure they would be ok with it and not turn him in. It would also he too risky for him to fly them all the way to urkaine alive. So most likely he killed them.
I can buy it if they were in a struggle mid flight as his fellow crew started to ask questions like why they crossed into Ukraine. Doubly so if they start talking about loyalty to the nation. Of course, that's what the Ukrainians claim to be the case with a struggle before he had to kill the other two guys.
I'd still place a good chance that was a cover story for the other two guys who didn't want blow back to their family. Good way to go out as a "hero" who tried to stop a defector and died loyal.
Good point. But this implies they have navigation skills. What if he played dumb and his crew already joked he lost his track?
Except the families will be prosecuted either way. It's Russia after all.
This is definitely the most likely scenario. I mean you can't possibly believe that a pilot who's already focused on flying the chopper is also happened to be so badass that he managed to fight off and kill his two fellow crews with one hand still on the stick just to keep the whole thing from crashing.
where is the co-pilot though
don't tell me Russians are flying helis for non-combat missions with just one pilot (doable) and 2 cabin crew
Are you surprised?
They weren't on the menu. SBU had already gotten the guy's family out of Russia by that point.
>the flight plan I filed with the SBU only lists one of you!
In the words of Budanov: it is what it is.
>Having your crew killed is scummy.
That's what you get for not being on the flight plan filed with the agency.
>he didn't call Ittin
The flight plan he filed listed only one of them. He wasn't allowed to bring friends.
They didn't fly so good.
Perhaps they were wondering why you would shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?
What if they raped him every night? Or he knew that his comrades raped women? Honestly, i would have no problem to rat out pic related. I would be afraid he could try to kill me tho.
counterpoint: they were russian.
>trailers another
In the world of 600 days 2 day special military operations.
Scummy: yes
But saving the others soldiers family from being prosecuted seems ok to me.
And prosecuted in Russia is being raped
>Defectors are one thing, trailers another
>trailers
They didn't get to bring friends.
He called the "want to live" hotline and contacted them on pre-planned frequency, sure he still risked someone with a MANPAD wanting a kill but most of the Ukie SAMs knew they had a friend coming.
I love my nation but if my government starts fabricating reasons to go to war, conscripting hundreds of thousands of young men and sending them off with tampons for first aid I'm not going to blame anyone for defecting.
>fly into enemy territory risking AA fire
it was a several months long operation with ukie glowies, i'm pretty sure all AD unites were notified about russian pilot doing the funny
also iirc two other crewmen were shot by ukrainian SOF when they tried to fly away
>acts like a retard
>gets captured
>has to make a choice between being a propaganda figure, or being executed
yes, very "mad lad"
>vatmoron projection
He defected, he wasn't "captured".
>defected
if that’s what you wanna believe lmao
How do you capture a helicopter mid flight?
LMAO, are orcs still going with the "They were ackshually just retarded and landed on an enemy airbase by mistake" giga cope?
"Our pilots aren't traitorous, just incompetent" is certainly an interesting excuse to make.
I mean, if you told me an invasion would fail to seize a lightly defended enemy capitol within walking distance of their staging area almost entirely because they sold their fuel and subsequently had their armor stalled and abandoned, then towed away by tractors after begging for fuel from the people they invaded failed, I would call you a retarded liar making up bullshit too stupid to make it into a videogame plot.
And yet, here we are. However, we know it is not true since Russians are saying it, and they are physically incapable of telling the truth, even when it would be beneficial to do so.
It's definitely more demoralizing to have traitors in your ranks, than retards. The latter are accidentally malicious, the former are intentionally so.
Like being complete assholes that act for pure personal gain disregarding the damage done to others wasn't the Puccian way...
Runs in the family, considering his family "accidentally landed in Ukraine" before him, probably took the wrong flight at Moscow airport
They pay him extra to do the propaganda or they threaten to withhold the bounty/bribe for defecting with equipemtn?
>threaten to withhold the bounty/bribe
They got his entire family out of Russia why would they threaten him, they could just ask nicely at that point
Why would they have to? They got his family out. You get my family out of a shithole like Russia and set them up somewhere else, I'd do a hell of a lot more than just make a few videos.
This retard looks younger and dumber than me and yet has accomplished all this
Life is so unfair bros
If you're not born in a nightmare zone, you don't really have the opportunity to defect. Unless you wanna be like that black guy that ran away to NK.
What do you think he’s up to right now
Getting raped in the butt by rqinbow hohol nazi-garden gnomes xaxaxaxaxa
....just kidding, he's probably eating mcdonalds right now and watching tv and going through his options.
I'm starting to be believe Russia is a country filled with some of the dumbest people on the planet. I think the constant brain drain since the wall has really taken its toll. All the smart Russians have left.
>think the constant brain drain since the wall has really taken its toll.
They have been self-selecting for Dumb and Obedient since the Romanovs.
Why is the namefag so fucking intolerable?
>consuming transparently bullshit propaganda?
yeah, i have russia fatigue
t. e yuro
>there was never any shit in the oxcart to begin with
100% guaranteed the killed crew members is a lie to give their friends and family cover against the FSB. The FSB will investigate them anyway.
this is hohol fake, lol
the crew was killed
>this is hohol fake
cope harder, buddy. even the same fighterbomber admitted it's not a fake. the pilot's identity is verified. and russians in his telegram chat seethe and call the pilot a traitor, kek.
most ez and morally justified $500k in his life.
I think that only those people who sent the helicopter on a mission can know the truth, the video they showed is the purest psyop, we were not shown the right side of the helicopter, we do not see people getting out of the helicopter, we are not shown the helicopter inside although the hohols really like to show off trophies, in the photos they sent earlier we see an activated data erasure toggle switch "Кcc cтиpaниe", there is also a photo where blood is visible, which makes it clear that the helicopter was shot and someone could have been killed...
My assumption is that this Maxim guy was not in the helicopter at all and is some kind of noname hired for propaganda
I wish I could make 500k in one afternoon's work
How long until we see him in a hammer video? Those Fagner guys also thought they were safe in Ukraine lmao.
This fat piggie better take a flight to Thailand ASAP.
>hammer video
The guys who made those no longer exist.
The hammer video men were repatriated to Russia in prisoner exchanges and kept in POW camps when in Ukrainian custody. They were not loose on the streets of Ukrainian cities where mythical Wagner operatives could abduct them, that was propaganda.
Just want to point out that this shit is completely fake.
I agree. Also Russia is winning and the west should stop sending support so we don't anger the bear.
No, I just want the truth. You'd have to be fucking retarded to believe it and moreso to think that others do.
>fly into enemy territory risking AA fire on a Mi-8 deathtrap
it was planned you retard
>kill your entire crew somehow without crashing it
they were killed by ukies when refusing to surrender you retard
>they let the russian pilot his craft through Ukrainian territory so he could put out a propoganda piece
If Bin Laden was alive why wouldn't al-Qaeda come out and say it? The opportunity to stick it to the Americans and prove that they're lying and full of shit would be priceless. If he wasn't killed in the raid and died some other way it would still be beneficial to the movement to take away any credit the US could claim for finally getting him. "He successfully hid from America for a decade and then died of a heart attack and America tried to fake his capture for good PR" is still better press than "he hid from America for over a decade but was eventually found and ventilated at his house while an entire country cheered at his death."
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Is there an undubbed version of the interview anyhwere?
Why didn't the crew stop him from defecting?
Did they seriously not know where they were headed until it was too late?
What are you going to do? Wrestle with the guy flying the helicopter so he can crash?
>kill your entire crew somehow without crashing it
Did he? The only details I've read on how the crew died said they were shot when trying to flee.
reminds me of a Polish teritorial forces soldier who fled to Belarus, was used for propaganda and died a few weeks later
>kill your entire crew
Man, its crazy they didn't suspect this guy was an imposter among them