1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    to be fair most military aircraft engineers do not take into account being shot at by friendly AA

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly it's the most common issue for the US too. I got locked on to by friendly SAMs 6 weeks after the invasion in to Iraq but never once had an enemy radar do it on the first day of the air war

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What was your reaction at the time?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don’t SAM radar facilities have IFF capability?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ouch. Did you know at the time about the two planes that *did* get shot down, or the F-16 pilot who put a HARM through a Patriot's radar in self-defense?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this.

      >what is IFF

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They are fine planes the russian air force just doesn't have enough money to use them effectively.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Is there a comparison between Russian jets and western jets in terms of per hour flight cost? I assume the Russian ones have to be cheaper or else all those poor countries wouldn't buy Russian.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Depends, with or without corruption?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying there is any military or MIC on the planet free from corruption

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's probably similar if truthful numbers were divulged. Third world militaries just don't upkeep their jets very well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        in Poland with all costs combined (fuel service replacement parts) those costs were similar between mig29 and f16 block 52.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        About the same due to higher consumption of parts. Upfront cost is cheaper thou. If you have an air force that you want a lot of planes to dickwave, then "save money" by not letting your pilots have enough practice hours to get proficient, Soviet planes are perfect for you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In 92 Finland were in progress of procuring new fighters, MIG-29 was among the ones offered. It had the most expensive unit cost(~30% more than F-16), airframe life expectancy was half of the western counterparts and it was also disqualified due to "not fulfilling operational requirements" ie. inferior avionics/weapons etc.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What was the verdict on the Gripen?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It was deemed capable, but considered risky because it had significant delays during development and was still not ready in 92.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't this mean most Russian fighters are decades over their expected airframe life expectancy?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Wouldn't this mean most Russian [aircraft] are decades over their expected airframe life expectancy?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the front fell off

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair it slammed in to the ground at the same speed that would damage a non carrier based aircraft, add the fact that its a huge ass bomber and its not surprising that it broke up.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This is especially damning for the vatnik-compromised governments of Eastern European countries still flying MiGs.
          In at least one case, the Americans even offered them "free" F-16s at the low price of "let us clean up your intelligence and army of Russian assets" but were of course refused because the rot existed on all levels of government.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is there any english summary of the performance from that trial? would be interesting to know why did they choose f18 over f16 and gripen

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think it was due to having 2 engines and the f/a-18 having more multi role capability at the time. In 1992 F16S were still pretty bare bones lightweight low cost fighters

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        much cheaper if you stick to the russian way of just not doing the maintenance or letting the pilots train.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Funny+true

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was a study, many years back--Poland, I think?--and the killer was the far shorter lifespan of Russian engines. A Mig-29 was estimated to need something like 3 pairs of engines over its lifespan, whereas the F-16 only needed one replacement engine over the same timeframe/flight hours. The rest of the costs were almost incidental compared to the difference in engine costs.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I dno man i think I recognize that picture from early parts of the war. It sure doesnt seem to be the supposed plane in question at least.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that is an older picture, but the story is recent

      https://eurasiantimes.com/flanker-in-flames-yet-another-russias-most-powerful-dogfighter-su-35-fighter-shot-down-over-ukraine-kiev/

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >in flames
    Thats its least problems

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    su-35 is just as capable as western 4th gen planes, the russian air force is just incompetent

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Objectively not, because the Russian Air Force sold the godamn avionics.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >vatnik air force is corrupt and incompetent
        yeah. The planes that haven't been cannibalized for parts to sell are still decent. Of course they would still get wrecked by F35s but that's a different question

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shouldn't the nose burn down as much as the central fuselage, considering how much plastic is supposed to be in those? I get it, the jet fuel burns a shitton hotter than plastic can, but it seems strange to me that the cone seems so relatively intact.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jet fuel can't melt plastic.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >powerful dog fighter
    >Su-35

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally the best they have, barring their three Su-57's that are too precious to lose. If an Su-57 got shot down Russia wouldn't be able to live it down for at least 50 years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I think he means it isn't a dogfighting aircraft

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why didn't they just cobra away from the missiles?

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Source: Ukrainian government

    You know what's easier than defeating a military many times the size of your own? Buying a few cans of white spray paint, putting a "Z" on some nondescript wreckage, and sending the photos off to Mr. Rothelbergblatt for a front page spread. Big fucking doubt. The Ukrainian capitulation will be the end of what's left of western media credibility.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The very fact it's taking so long is an inescapable reality that no amount of mental gymnastics can dance you out of. A military many times the size of an opposing force NOT steamrolling them and taking their capital in at most 2 weeks time is inexcusable.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No one outside of Putin and his inner circle know what the end goal is. If Russia wanted to wage war like ZOG complete with Iraqi highways of death and weddings being droned they could.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If the plan was to start a long war of attrition over the Donbas then it was a shit plan. And if you think Russia is fighting with more restraint than US then I have a Buratino to sell you.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >blyat we didn't move the goalposts, comrade, there never were any goalposts

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes brother, the ways of God and the Russian military are inscrutable. No one can know the day or the hour Russia will declare its glorious complete success which went exactly the way they planned it from the start. Ours is not to question but to simply believe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      2 more weeks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Versus the online Russia simps whose credibility consists of:
      >Denying Russia was going to invade
      >Claiming Russia would take Kyiv in 3 days
      >Biolabs
      >Oh actually Kyiv was a feint for the real target in Azovstal
      >Pocket everything east of Dnipro
      >Pocket everything east of Irpin
      >Well Sverodonetsk has fallen, Ukraine is done!
      The biggest fault in western coverage is giving too much importance to the recent fighting, IE they’re actually portraying Russia as too successful.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You know what's easier than defeating a military many times the size of your own?
      Defeating one smaller and weaker and poorer than yours? So why haven't you done it yet?

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