>2023-07-27 / Anna Nemtsova / Daily Beast >Treacherous Forest Fight Threatens ‘Hellish’ Putin Comeback >“Starting from early May, we have been winning in counter-battery fire because of our high-precision weapons. We have been winning in artillery battles with the Hammer, M777 Howitzer, and RCH-155 SAU—and Russians cannot do anything about it.”
what should they use for this? other than a narcocorrido
1 month ago
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oh goddamn the vlc recording skipped past the frames that said "utmost scoot and shoot". my dumpy bitch shooting a desert eagle visual analogy is ruined
1 month ago
Anonymous
They should use the built in music box like god intended!
1 month ago
Anonymous
how do you beat this with Russian weapons?
1 month ago
Anonymous
You seethe and cope and dilate and sneed.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Lancet to the kneecaps.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Call in air support. If you don't got any, hunker down and pray. Or just desert.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Has this any application in real life?
1 month ago
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do germans reside in real life? your question seems beside the point for them
[...] >The main application of the Vulcano 155 GLR is for long-range, high-accuracy fire support against stationary and moving point targets with extremely reduced likelihood of collateral damage. >The outstanding aerodynamics, coupled with the GPS guidance and trajectory shaping capabilities, enable the Vulcano 155 GLR to reach a max range of 70km while keeping an extreme accuracy of less than 5m within all operational ranges. >When the RF fuse is replaced with the
dedicated Semi Active Laser (SAL) sensor, the ammunition can also effectively engage laser designated targets (forward observer required), stationary and moving, with further improved precision (less than 3m CEP) with respect to pure GPS guidance.
https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/0/Vulcano+155+%28MM08723%29_HQ.pdf?t=1671440640166
>The projectile counters the wibble in-flight
It sounds batshit but it's the kind of thing I really want to see tried. Imagine a whole bunch of these enwibbling at once followed by a series of vatniks in their trenches being turned into cubes by high precision shots while these cute little guys scoot on to the next fire mission.
Given it can self-correct to hit moving targets (one of its main applications is as an anti-ship projectile), a little bit of wobble at launch shouldn't be much of an issue.
IIRC the idea is because the barrel recoils on the same axis as the bore the shell is out and flying free before the recoil mechanism bottoms out and transfers the energy to the vehicle.
Basically the same idea as the G11 firing 3 rounds before the recoil hit the shooter.
Not convincing. The explosion of gas doesn’t start at the recoil intake, it starts in the breech; logically the base of the gun will take the immediate impulse and transfer into the load-bearing component attached to the vehicle. Otherwise why is there so much emphasis on stabilizing a gun prior to shooting?
so what do you guys make of this? did the dude misspeak? is it a psych-out, hoping to demoralise the zigs? or have they been fielding one or two in live-fire trials?
well Ukies did make a deal for RCH 155s that were supposed to start arriving in 2024 but everyone ignored it as a nothingburger because "surely the war will be over by then"
though I doubt they have been fielding them already but they will probably soon
yeah, same story with archers. speaking of archers:
the selling point of the RCH155 is fire on the move capabilities which no other SPG or GMLRS/MLRS is capable of right now
this basically makes it immune to most counter-battery fire
don't they fire on the move?
[...]
kmw says it capable of 9 shots per minute
is the firing maybe sensor aligned as in if the barrel hits the right spot its fired?
the amount of enwibblement afoot with the rch155 gives me the impression that they're going to come with reduced rate of fire and/or greater CEP when firing on the move. in all the demo video i've seen where they're mentioning MRSI, they allow the turret to come to a rest before firing again.
well damn. they're still neat but that makes them less neat than i thought.
Wouldn't the wobble affect accuracy?
idk enough to say. people itt suggesting things i've heard before, that it's countered with programmable ammo and in-flight correction, but ukraine war has underscored that we should also think about what happens when dumb rounds are going through advanced guns. speculating here that they might just use a lower rate of fire for higher CEP:
yeah, same story with archers. speaking of archers: [...] don't they fire on the move?
[...]
the amount of enwibblement afoot with the rch155 gives me the impression that they're going to come with reduced rate of fire and/or greater CEP when firing on the move. in all the demo video i've seen where they're mentioning MRSI, they allow the turret to come to a rest before firing again.
>Le wobble
are you guys all fucking blind and cant see that it waits for the wobble to end before firing????
if you're looking at the webms itt, i pulled those from the promo where they're showing off MRSI. idk if they normally expect to wait between each round.
well Ukies did make a deal for RCH 155s that were supposed to start arriving in 2024 but everyone ignored it as a nothingburger because "surely the war will be over by then"
though I doubt they have been fielding them already but they will probably soon
yeah, same story with archers. speaking of archers: [...] don't they fire on the move?
[...]
the amount of enwibblement afoot with the rch155 gives me the impression that they're going to come with reduced rate of fire and/or greater CEP when firing on the move. in all the demo video i've seen where they're mentioning MRSI, they allow the turret to come to a rest before firing again.
journo might've fucked it up too. brigade media people have spent the intervening time mostly talking about soviet-style MLRS and mortars. no real suggestion from their social pages that they're working to beta test SPGs. i don't know any of these guys otherwise i'd just ask.
This wobble lord is a gimmick; there’s no way this thing can get anywhere near PzH2K rate of fire with anything like accuracy. It may be inherently inaccurate thanks to the lack of stability.
the selling point of the RCH155 is fire on the move capabilities which no other SPG or GMLRS/MLRS is capable of right now
this basically makes it immune to most counter-battery fire
the selling point of the RCH155 is fire on the move capabilities which no other SPG or GMLRS/MLRS is capable of right now
this basically makes it immune to most counter-battery fire
kmw says it capable of 9 shots per minute
is the firing maybe sensor aligned as in if the barrel hits the right spot its fired?
[...]
kmw says it capable of 9 shots per minute
is the firing maybe sensor aligned as in if the barrel hits the right spot its fired?
yeah, same story with archers. speaking of archers: [...] don't they fire on the move?
[...]
the amount of enwibblement afoot with the rch155 gives me the impression that they're going to come with reduced rate of fire and/or greater CEP when firing on the move. in all the demo video i've seen where they're mentioning MRSI, they allow the turret to come to a rest before firing again.
Wobbling is not that much of a problem when the projectile itself can self-correct while in flight.
its a SPG there aint no way russia is getting within 10km of one
also the entire point of developing and buying new weapons is to fucking use them
though you might have been a bit confused with the t-14 which does the exact opposite
Next step in SPH design. >Drive down the road >Fire mission >Slow down to 30km/h >Fire VULKAN round >just speed up and continue with your business. >Hit target 70km. away with 1m. CEP
Simply fantastic.
Imagine a future scenario where these things just scoot around behind the frontline and shelling the enemy.
I wonder when we will get to know if dumb shells also work when the vehicle is moving.
I think the "VULKAN" part is supposed to mean it's a guided shell.
>The main application of the Vulcano 155 GLR is for long-range, high-accuracy fire support against stationary and moving point targets with extremely reduced likelihood of collateral damage. >The outstanding aerodynamics, coupled with the GPS guidance and trajectory shaping capabilities, enable the Vulcano 155 GLR to reach a max range of 70km while keeping an extreme accuracy of less than 5m within all operational ranges. >When the RF fuse is replaced with the
dedicated Semi Active Laser (SAL) sensor, the ammunition can also effectively engage laser designated targets (forward observer required), stationary and moving, with further improved precision (less than 3m CEP) with respect to pure GPS guidance.
https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/0/Vulcano+155+%28MM08723%29_HQ.pdf?t=1671440640166
Dumb shells are for poorfags who cannot into artillery. If you’re using super mobile SPGs you’re using them for precision not massed fires anyway because you already want them to blow their load and rapidly displace. Shoot and scoot.
Hence - they are useful in contested spaces and as counter-battery fire, towed artillery being better if you can otherwise guarantee the safety of your guns or can widen the safe gap between shooting and scooting
>Current war is demanding literally millions of artillery shells, 100,000 a month or some such stupid number >Current industry can't churn them out fast enough >Now imagine if they had to fit fancy aiming gadgets into them all too
All the fancy shit gets used up in a few months and if that's not enough for a quick decisive win then the name of the game is all cheap and simple that can be churned out by the million and if you can't make that transition then you're rather fucked.
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Anonymous
>Now imagine if they had to fit fancy aiming gadgets into them all too
america is already working on a cheap solution
>Small change in angle at the beginning means large change in where it lands miles away
this thing can somewhat accurately fire dumb shells on the move and your trying to tell me a slight wobble will make the fire computer shit its bed?
The wobble will begin only when the gun has reached end of travel after recoiling. By that time the shell has left the barrel. In the initial instants, when the shell is still being accelerated, there is little pitching torque on the system, as the only force being transmitted on the chassis is the recoil spring starting to be compressed.
I am wondering if the drive compartment of the boxer is a specialized version, to compensate for the gun recoil or if its the bog standard variant. if its the standard variant hot damn
The boxer's entire "thing" is being able to unbolt the back and replace it with a different one as the mission requires so the drive module is almost certainly completely standard.
but maybe they'll get out a "heavy" suspension variant. useable with regular and specialized heavy modules. but you are probably right and its just the standard one
If they were going to go for specialised platforms then they would probably just get an SPG rather than try to integrate it with the boxer in the first place.
Pretty based. Build more 155mm. Send more cluster munitions. Send more excalibur and BONUS.
riddle me this, anonkun
>2023-07-27 / Anna Nemtsova / Daily Beast
>Treacherous Forest Fight Threatens ‘Hellish’ Putin Comeback
>“Starting from early May, we have been winning in counter-battery fire because of our high-precision weapons. We have been winning in artillery battles with the Hammer, M777 Howitzer, and RCH-155 SAU—and Russians cannot do anything about it.”
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https://archive.is/pXtn5
it do.
ain't that the stated plan? was last i checked.
wobbles around like a landwhale on a waterbed.
full promo clip for your wobbleneeds, anon. cut down from the original 345mb mp4 on kmweg.com by just running ffmpeg with defaults on it.
KMW-RCH-155-2022.webm
>that music
will KMW ever fucking use different music for their videos
I hear it everyfucking time they want to present something or some other shit
what should they use for this? other than a narcocorrido
oh goddamn the vlc recording skipped past the frames that said "utmost scoot and shoot". my dumpy bitch shooting a desert eagle visual analogy is ruined
They should use the built in music box like god intended!
how do you beat this with Russian weapons?
You seethe and cope and dilate and sneed.
Lancet to the kneecaps.
Call in air support. If you don't got any, hunker down and pray. Or just desert.
Has this any application in real life?
do germans reside in real life? your question seems beside the point for them
That's some good weeble right there.
>The projectile counters the wibble in-flight
It sounds batshit but it's the kind of thing I really want to see tried. Imagine a whole bunch of these enwibbling at once followed by a series of vatniks in their trenches being turned into cubes by high precision shots while these cute little guys scoot on to the next fire mission.
Given it can self-correct to hit moving targets (one of its main applications is as an anti-ship projectile), a little bit of wobble at launch shouldn't be much of an issue.
Wouldn't the wobble affect accuracy?
IIRC the idea is because the barrel recoils on the same axis as the bore the shell is out and flying free before the recoil mechanism bottoms out and transfers the energy to the vehicle.
Basically the same idea as the G11 firing 3 rounds before the recoil hit the shooter.
Not convincing. The explosion of gas doesn’t start at the recoil intake, it starts in the breech; logically the base of the gun will take the immediate impulse and transfer into the load-bearing component attached to the vehicle. Otherwise why is there so much emphasis on stabilizing a gun prior to shooting?
What a retard. Look into the dynamic response of a mass-spring-damper system under a shock load.
The wobble is so fucking cute. I WANT ONE. NAOW!
so what do you guys make of this? did the dude misspeak? is it a psych-out, hoping to demoralise the zigs? or have they been fielding one or two in live-fire trials?
well Ukies did make a deal for RCH 155s that were supposed to start arriving in 2024 but everyone ignored it as a nothingburger because "surely the war will be over by then"
though I doubt they have been fielding them already but they will probably soon
yeah, same story with archers. speaking of archers:
don't they fire on the move?
the amount of enwibblement afoot with the rch155 gives me the impression that they're going to come with reduced rate of fire and/or greater CEP when firing on the move. in all the demo video i've seen where they're mentioning MRSI, they allow the turret to come to a rest before firing again.
Archers is not capable of On the move fire
your probably thinking about Patria Nemo the finnish Mortar vehicle that does have that
well damn. they're still neat but that makes them less neat than i thought.
idk enough to say. people itt suggesting things i've heard before, that it's countered with programmable ammo and in-flight correction, but ukraine war has underscored that we should also think about what happens when dumb rounds are going through advanced guns. speculating here that they might just use a lower rate of fire for higher CEP:
if you're looking at the webms itt, i pulled those from the promo where they're showing off MRSI. idk if they normally expect to wait between each round.
90% chance he meant to say PzH2k.
What is the Hammer? Best I can find is the M109 where they need a hammer to fire it.
one of the towed guns for sure.
journo might've fucked it up too. brigade media people have spent the intervening time mostly talking about soviet-style MLRS and mortars. no real suggestion from their social pages that they're working to beta test SPGs. i don't know any of these guys otherwise i'd just ask.
HIMARS
does it go weeble wobble when the big gun go boom?
Quite a respectable wobble in fact.
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How realistic is Ukraine getting them first?
It's produced for Ukraine right now. Man on the picture - Ukrainian ambassador in Germany
Cute and dangerous
This wobble lord is a gimmick; there’s no way this thing can get anywhere near PzH2K rate of fire with anything like accuracy. It may be inherently inaccurate thanks to the lack of stability.
the selling point of the RCH155 is fire on the move capabilities which no other SPG or GMLRS/MLRS is capable of right now
this basically makes it immune to most counter-battery fire
kmw says it capable of 9 shots per minute
is the firing maybe sensor aligned as in if the barrel hits the right spot its fired?
Wobbling is not that much of a problem when the projectile itself can self-correct while in flight.
Wtf are we France now?
What is 3x Brigade Mittlere Kräfte, anon?
God damn that's an ugly suit
Isn't it a bit too dangerous to use completely new toys on the battlefield? Russians could get their hands on it.
its a SPG there aint no way russia is getting within 10km of one
also the entire point of developing and buying new weapons is to fucking use them
though you might have been a bit confused with the t-14 which does the exact opposite
Like they get their hands on CAESAR and HIMARS, right?
They manage to tip a CAESAR over. If they had advanced fast enough they might have captured it.
Like CAESAR anyway…
Next step in SPH design.
>Drive down the road
>Fire mission
>Slow down to 30km/h
>Fire VULKAN round
>just speed up and continue with your business.
>Hit target 70km. away with 1m. CEP
Simply fantastic.
Imagine a future scenario where these things just scoot around behind the frontline and shelling the enemy.
I wonder when we will get to know if dumb shells also work when the vehicle is moving.
>1m CEP
With Excalibur perhaps, otherwise a total lie. This wobble-bobble buddy probably can’t be accurate even at a dead stop, forget moving.
I think the "VULKAN" part is supposed to mean it's a guided shell.
>The main application of the Vulcano 155 GLR is for long-range, high-accuracy fire support against stationary and moving point targets with extremely reduced likelihood of collateral damage.
>The outstanding aerodynamics, coupled with the GPS guidance and trajectory shaping capabilities, enable the Vulcano 155 GLR to reach a max range of 70km while keeping an extreme accuracy of less than 5m within all operational ranges.
>When the RF fuse is replaced with the
dedicated Semi Active Laser (SAL) sensor, the ammunition can also effectively engage laser designated targets (forward observer required), stationary and moving, with further improved precision (less than 3m CEP) with respect to pure GPS guidance.
https://electronics.leonardo.com/documents/16277707/0/Vulcano+155+%28MM08723%29_HQ.pdf?t=1671440640166
Okay, yes, a GPS-guided shell may hit 1m even when moving. But that’s fantasy-land for a standard shell, especially while moving.
Nobody said it would work with dumb shells.
Dumb shells are for poorfags who cannot into artillery. If you’re using super mobile SPGs you’re using them for precision not massed fires anyway because you already want them to blow their load and rapidly displace. Shoot and scoot.
Hence - they are useful in contested spaces and as counter-battery fire, towed artillery being better if you can otherwise guarantee the safety of your guns or can widen the safe gap between shooting and scooting
>Current war is demanding literally millions of artillery shells, 100,000 a month or some such stupid number
>Current industry can't churn them out fast enough
>Now imagine if they had to fit fancy aiming gadgets into them all too
All the fancy shit gets used up in a few months and if that's not enough for a quick decisive win then the name of the game is all cheap and simple that can be churned out by the million and if you can't make that transition then you're rather fucked.
>Now imagine if they had to fit fancy aiming gadgets into them all too
america is already working on a cheap solution
>What is gun/barrel stabilization?
Anon it‘s not 1940 anymore.
>SPH
Small penis humiliation?
Just an uglier Archer.
You're a retard and a moron and likely gnomish.
>Le wobble
are you guys all fucking blind and cant see that it waits for the wobble to end before firing????
People here really just love to shit on German stuff.
>Gun wobbles as it fires
>Small change in angle at the beginning means large change in where it lands miles away
If they are compensating with guided shell wizardry then fair enough but otherwise wobbling around is not a good thing.
>Small change in angle at the beginning means large change in where it lands miles away
this thing can somewhat accurately fire dumb shells on the move and your trying to tell me a slight wobble will make the fire computer shit its bed?
The wobble will begin only when the gun has reached end of travel after recoiling. By that time the shell has left the barrel. In the initial instants, when the shell is still being accelerated, there is little pitching torque on the system, as the only force being transmitted on the chassis is the recoil spring starting to be compressed.
>Accurate shooting is measured in minutes of arc
>1/60th of 1 degree
So this bouncy castle will not rock by even that much?
Not while the shell is still traveling down the barrel.
Its got an overengineering FCS for a reason. This isn't just a 155mm on a really worn out suspension.
I just think the wobble makes it cute.
the only right answer
I am wondering if the drive compartment of the boxer is a specialized version, to compensate for the gun recoil or if its the bog standard variant. if its the standard variant hot damn
The boxer's entire "thing" is being able to unbolt the back and replace it with a different one as the mission requires so the drive module is almost certainly completely standard.
but maybe they'll get out a "heavy" suspension variant. useable with regular and specialized heavy modules. but you are probably right and its just the standard one
If they were going to go for specialised platforms then they would probably just get an SPG rather than try to integrate it with the boxer in the first place.
just get the tracked boxer version if you dont think the suspension can handle it