First CIWS kill

>A cruise missile launched by the Houthis into the Red Sea on Tuesday night came within a mile of a US destroyer before it was shot down, four US officials told CNN, the closest a Houthi attack has come to a US warship.
>In the past, these missiles have been intercepted by US destroyers in the area at a range of eight miles or more, the officials said. But the USS Gravely had to use its Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) for the first time since the US began intercepting the Houthi missiles late last year, which ultimately succeeded in downing the missile, officials said.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I assume they let it get so close specifically to test the CIWS?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      CIWS is a family these days so I'm not sure this actually means Phalanx (the gun) or a RAM?

      No, that would be moronic. No one fricking 'tests' a last ditch system by letting it come down to the wire. Whatever happened it certainly wasn't a test.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You do if it's clearly not going to hit anything more valuable than salt water.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I know you're too fricking moronic to understand this, but the distance a CIWS shootdown occurs at is zero, as far as naval combat is concerned. There is no "clearly not going to hit anything" assessment by the time CIWS is waking up and going through fire procedure.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't know that ballistic missile trajectory's are mathed out well before they get to CIWS range.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I assume they let it get so close specifically to test the CIWS?

          fricking lel, dude.
          nobody playes games with $2.2 billion worth of government property, 300 lives and their own career on the line.
          These are adults.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's a very small chance that they saw it missing (like it was within a mile but very clearly 20 degrees off, maybe going after some chaff) and decided to leave the CIWS on. But yeah 100% this was a real world interception. I'd love to hear from the crew of the ship the "BRACE FOR IMPACT" call must have been terrifying.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >nobody playes games with $2.2 billion worth of government property, 300 lives and their own career on the line.
            These are adults.
            Yet destroyers are still being sailed on the open ocean instead of the museum docks they belong.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              What's wrong with destroyers? They clearly serve a legitimate roll

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >No, that would be moronic. No one fricking 'tests' a last ditch system by letting it come down to the wire. Whatever happened it certainly wasn't a test.
        maybe, unless you are sure youve jammed, decoyed it or it was unguided.

        https://i.imgur.com/qbypPpr.jpg

        >A cruise missile launched by the Houthis into the Red Sea on Tuesday night came within a mile of a US destroyer before it was shot down, four US officials told CNN, the closest a Houthi attack has come to a US warship.
        >In the past, these missiles have been intercepted by US destroyers in the area at a range of eight miles or more, the officials said. But the USS Gravely had to use its Close-In Weapon System (CIWS) for the first time since the US began intercepting the Houthi missiles late last year, which ultimately succeeded in downing the missile, officials said.

        IM SORRY CIWS
        except not really, haven't been impressed with it's historical performance.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wikipedia says USS Gravely DDG-107 has phalanx not ram. But that could have been replaced at some point.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      1- You're dumb
      2- Even banana republics and turd world countries don't have this kind of logic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      frick no.
      This sounds bad but worse happened a year years ago, whenever the camel frickers sperged out and launched missiles. They had to use a decoy and chaff to stop a destroyer from being hit. So this isn't some unprecedented thing. Just the defense onion at work.
      Sooner or later though, something will get through.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >had to use a decoy and chaff
        From memory the nulkas and chaff are standard use in this scenario and they likely saw on radar/visually that the missile bit the decoy instead of the ship. So it wasn't as big of a deal as this, in this case the CIWS had to actually lock onto the missile and fire at it because it was bearing down on the ship itself.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sooner or later though, something will get through.
        Which is why I was against that long period of sitting there and getting shot at. The action-reaction to attacking an American ship should be you do it, you die. It's within our capability and only hand-wringers afraid of some sort of impossible escalation are willing to risk lives (not to mention ships) defer the obvious.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's training for Taiwan.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Layered defenses work
    >Makes national news

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s to prep the mutts for the fact that “dangerously close” and “had to use” is slang for “the ship fricking sunk”. The news will trickle out in a few days on the 10 page while Americans are distracted by drunkly reveling in their “win”.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This might work in your shithole but in the rest of the world people start to ask funny questions when something like 300 sailors suddenly disappear.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The only reason to join the US navy is if you’re a junkie high school dropout with no prospects and no one to remember you. 300 sailors is a rounding error to the American psyche. Hell less than a round error. Life is cheap over there.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ego trippers join to be officers so they can make life living hell for the ratings beneath them.
            Anything grey that floats sucks to be on.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You've never been in, and if you were you joined expecting the world to give you everything. gays like you got exactly the experience they deserved

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            13 Marines were killed leaving Afghanistan and people are still outraged. We actually care about our people and are livid when they die.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              And yet you don’t flinch when thousands of your veterans kill the selves when they realize what they fought for. You’re not mad the marines died you’re mad at your countries failings. You’re more horrified by your country’s perception than individual lives

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why care about someone else's choice? Suicide is a personal problem

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The suicide rate for US veterans is about 50% higher than the general US population. That means that the suicide rate for US veterans is still below that of the general Russian population.
                Funny, isn't it?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ya dont think, you are going to get a response to this one lol

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It made me laugh anon 🙂

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >don't flinch
                Lol, no. It's something everyone's outspoken about

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're reaching vatnik projection levels never before seen today lads

            Wonder how long until Russia loses another ship to a nation without a navy?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The cost benefit for American children starving to death in exchange for perfect fancy ships seriously needs to be observed by the US. Equipment gets destroyed in war. As the US public will learn in a few days when they find out their cute little unpenetrable AEGIS actually failed. Isn’t that system actually manually aimed or is that some propaganda?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nothing is manually aimed anymore. Also, the only people actually starving are illegals and well... so what?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Foreigner from a shithole country insults America inaccurately, won't EVER admit where he's from because deep down he knows it's a shithole
            story as old as time

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Please understand, the saviors of the huwhyte (brown) race are failing their attempt at overthrowing American hegemony. There's a lot of seethe and butthurt out there right now anon, no need to rub our superiority in.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Is the wide shot supposed to be deboonking anything? That town still looks like a terrible eyesore.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The wide shot shows that it's a truck stop in the middle of nowhere, not a town.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >town
                it's not even a village

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's the interchange between I76 and I70 in Breezewood, Pennsylvania.

                It's not a town, it's a place you only stop and eat and get gas when driving 400 miles. Everything around this is just farms and mountains.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its also comfy as frick, has nice people/food, and nice little steelers gift shop. Frankly the fact that such a small pit stop makes people seethe is astounding, but honestly at this point its just euros and thirdies who know its small and just use it as ammo for "MUUH MUTTS"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Name the last time US forces had 300 casualties in a single naval action. Even accidents like the Forrestal fire were major news at the time then famous thereafter in training films.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hey moron, I don't know where you got your information, but you have to at least have a GED, and cannot have any illicit drugs be detected in your system in order to enlist in the U.S. Navy.

            I get that you're sub-70 IQ, but at least check with your commisar before you post again, ok sweaty?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              > Hey moron, I don't know where you got your information, but you have to at least have a GED in order to enlist in the U.S. Navy.I get that you're sub-70 IQ, but at least check with your commisar before you post again, ok sweaty?!!!

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Hey moron, I don't know where you got your information, but you have to at least have a GED, and cannot have any illicit drugs be detected in your system in order to enlist in the U.S. Navy.

              The standards have dropped, now it is enough if you can walk on your hind legs for at least 50 meters.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Almost half a million Russian dudes have died getting BTFO in Ukraine and no one in Russia gives a frick lmao, Russian projection is ceazy hahahahaha

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just because your navy conscripts people into the navy doesn't mean other countries navies ARENT full of educated technical personnel

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah this isn't WW2 Britain where light cruisers could go missing and the government/media could just pretend they were on deployment for several months and admit that they were sunk after that. A ship having to use CIWS is notable if nothing else but it doesn't mean the fricking ship sank.

          By the way we'd see within 12-24 hours if it did, ships burning out and becoming husks tend to emit smoke which is (this will surprise vatniks) visible on commercial satellite imagery.

          >he doesn't know that ballistic missile trajectory's are mathed out well before they get to CIWS range.

          >ballistic missile
          It said in the OP that it was a cruise missile. Those things are guided until impact. I'm very, very skeptical of the range CIWS could hit a ballistic missile just because of the speeds involved.

          The only reason to join the US navy is if you’re a junkie high school dropout with no prospects and no one to remember you. 300 sailors is a rounding error to the American psyche. Hell less than a round error. Life is cheap over there.

          >300 sailors is a rounding error
          >life is cheap
          Lmao

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The news will trickle out in a few days on the 10 page while Americans are distracted by drunkly reveling in their “win”.
        Wait I'm confused are you referring to the Super Bowl sir

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying he knows what the Super Bowl is
          He's probably referring to the attack he's expecting to happen on the Houthis/IRGC/QF that will, to him, be 3 1/2 mk82s dropped on empty desert.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bombing civilian centers in a country poorer than Afghanistan isn’t a flex.
            I seriously think craving embarrassment is built in the American psyche

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah anon. Please play CMO or something for a few weeks and then come back, your lack of even childlike understanding of how air strikes happen is painful to see.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Get shot at without result
              >kill the shooters
              I can't believe the US would embarrass themselves like this

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Dead durkas isn't a flex, it's comedy, and you're the punchline.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Global South brain is a hell of a thing

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well they’re quickly becoming the global north too. If it’s any consolation they won’t cuck on gun rights like whitey did.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yess. Yeesssss ............
        "We" will now wait until every single one of the 340,000,000 Americans are ALL blackout drunk. THEN "we" will spring the news on them while they are distracted and will NEVER remember it happened! It's foolproofs!!! NOBODY will EVER suspect a thing! The entire international news media will be too afraid to report it and NOBODY on the entire planet will EVER suspect anything!

        What could POSSIBLY go wrong? Is of genius!!

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Russian projection

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not every country is like Russia my dear Ivan

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We're not russians
        >made it to port under its own power*~~

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Still mad about the Moskva, huh.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If there’s even the slightest hint that an American ship gets sunk by Iranian proxies, the warboner that congress and the media have for Iran would ensure that it’s the biggest story in the country for weeks

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        > "Anglos will barely notice if one of their ships get sunk, surely there would be no repercussions"
        Ivan, I'm not sure you've thought this through...

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          To be absolutely fair, it would just devolve into another case of us playing whack a mole with idiots who think being vaporized is holy. The repercussions would be blowing tax money to give idiots what they want. It's why you literally can't win with extremists.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I hope you believe it because you deserve to.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I wish I could get guaranteed replies like this without being a fricking idiot

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only reason to join the US navy is if you’re a junkie high school dropout with no prospects and no one to remember you. 300 sailors is a rounding error to the American psyche. Hell less than a round error. Life is cheap over there.

        (You) tried, what a waste of dubs.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >“the ship fricking sunk”
        man brown rage is something else

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Something cool happens
      >Makes nations news
      As should be.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    CIWS reliability are dubious at best. They were playing with fire relying on it to take out a fricking cruise missile.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *american CIWS. They have to have high school dropouts manually aim it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Phalanx is fully automated. It has a mode for operators to manually select targets but that's for use against small boats and wouldn't be used if they were defending against a missile. The only thing that makes it's reliability "dubious" is that the 20mm round it fires is a bit wimpy and may not be enough to reliably stop some of the bigger AShMs that Russia fields.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >wimpy
          Nope. A single hit is enough to frick up a missile.
          Phalanx's main issues (well, apart from the somewhat dodgy at times intercept software) are a) it wastes a ton of ammo per hit, because its shells are too small for flak burst warheads; b) its range is very short. An MGS only requires 5 shells for a hit. Phalanx requires something like 50.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The only thing that makes it's reliability "dubious" is that the 20mm round it fires is a bit wimpy and may not be enough to reliably stop some of the bigger AShMs that Russia fields.

          Phalanx fires subcaliber .50 cal APDS rounds, not 20 mm shells. As far as CIWS go, it is absolutely at the bottom tier of all CIWS.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Phalanx fires subcaliber .50 cal APDS rounds, not 20 mm shells. As far as CIWS go, it is absolutely at the bottom tier of all CIWS.
            What? It absolutely fires 20mm.

            There's a very small chance that they saw it missing (like it was within a mile but very clearly 20 degrees off, maybe going after some chaff) and decided to leave the CIWS on. But yeah 100% this was a real world interception. I'd love to hear from the crew of the ship the "BRACE FOR IMPACT" call must have been terrifying.

            >just decide to leave CIWS on because "maybe"
            Things like this aren't a spur of the moment call. You go to Weapons Posture 1 in a high threat environment. CIWS stays in auto and if you have an inbound vampire, FIS goes green and hold fire off.
            CIWS will engage based on closure rate and Pk, or if queued by WCS. The whole point is that it self-sustains with it's own search and track system.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >i baited an actual sailor into replying
              Hahaha, yes. Tell us more anon, what do you think happened here? I know the CIWS gets left on and they don't just turn it off btw.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think they had a very short horizon engagement, SM-2 salvo missed, and CIWS picked it up while asses consumed cushions in CIC.
                Pure speculation on my part.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I think they had a very short horizon engagement,
                So like a sea skimming missile or are you referring to something else?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >So like a sea skimming missile or are you referring to something else?
                I'd suspect since they're being supplied by the Iranians the Houthis are firing Noors, which is a copy of the Chinese C-802, which itself was derived from the Chinese's copy of the French Exocet.
                In terms of ASMs, it doesn't push AEGIS to it's limits but it's modern, and yes, sea-skimming.
                Keep in mind that in air defense, engagement timelines of a minute would be considered fairly long.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >In terms of ASMs, it doesn't push AEGIS to it's limits but it's modern, and yes, sea-skimming.

                Modern? C-802 is comparable to Harpoon and Robot 15, missiles that date back to the 80s. Robot 15 is itself a a derivate of Robot 04 from the late 1950s. This is not high end stuff, its low end. Mach 3 seaskimmers are mid tier, mach 10 hypersonics are high end. Chingchong high end missiles take 11 minutes to fly 2100 kilometers.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Modern? C-802 is comparable to Harpoon and Robot 15, missiles that date back to the 80s
                Those *are* modern missiles, anon. Most current ASMs The most cutting edge? No, but they're not a Styx, either. They'll defeat most combat systems afloat, especially in a large salvo.
                There's a reason we haven't developed anything beyond Harpoon - we don't need to. Aegis is that fricking good and nobody has anything close. Everyone else pours money into "Aegis-killer" missiles, e.g. Sunburn, while accepting that saturation Harpoons will get through their AD.
                >hypersanics
                Which ones? Why not provide them to the Houthis and let them whack a DDG, then?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >we haven't developed anything beyond Harpoon
                What are NSMs and LRASM then?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >NSM/LRASM
                Fair enough. I'll rephrase and say we "hadn't" developed anything beyond Harpoon.
                Weapons development is always a thing, but mission drives requirements. You don't see NATO fielding Sunburn or Sizzler equivalents.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Heck, there's still no sign of ship-launched NSM or LRASM in sight for the USN.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >H*ck
                Excuse me sir this is a Christian board.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Those *are* modern missiles, anon.

                Alright, low end modern missiles then. Not the stuff you need AEGIS to defend yourself with. In 2018 an USN DDG off Yemen shot down 3 incoming C-802, none got closer than ten miles. 3 Harpoons would not have done better. Do you get what I mean with low end now? The Harpoon, C-802 and Robot 15 are the T-55s of the antiship missile world. Relics that still work... in a limited fashion.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I do. Which is why I said: it doesn't push Aegis to it's limits.
                Harpoons, Exocets, C-802, Noor, etc, all have a somewhat similar attack profile and engagement envelope. They're significant threats to non-Aegis ships.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >They're significant threats to non-Aegis ships.

                Threats, yes, significant, no, unless the target has poor radar or poor fire control or poor self defense weaponry. IOW good for shooting up thirdies.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This isn't like comparing a panzerfaust to an Abrams. If the crew is asleep at the wheel (see: USS Stark, INS Hanit), it doesn't matter how old the inbound ordnance is. If they're distracted or overworked (Moskva, Vincennes when she oops'd an airliner), even a '60s-tech missile can get through, much less an '80s-tech one. Aegis isn't an AI with blanket permission to set its own RoEs; it has to be told to start engaging targets, and I suspect that it hasn't even been operating in automatic mode in the Red Sea engagements (that's best used against waves of missiles when there isn't time for humans to manually select or switch between targets).

                Yes, a Kidd or a Perry fresh from the yard with their original gear probably could have survived the engagement just as readily; but don't ever discount how serious an actual ASCM attack is, even if it's made with missile tech that's older than you are. The crew has to be on the ball, every single time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The crew has to be on the ball, every single time.
                Yes. Exactly. Watches manned. Checklists done. Keys inserted.
                As for the "Aegis in auto", there's several layers of CND doctrine that let you automate, some, most, or all of an engagement.
                Other factors like current search times (HS/AHS - RSC, check your times) and its all a big fricking deal. It's not booting CMO to see how it goes like so many on /k/ think.
                Exocets, Harpoons, C-802, et al - still valid. Still threats.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Which ones? Why not provide them to the Houthis and let them whack a DDG, then?

                Its better to save the mid and high end stuff to give USN a nasty surprise if they try to start some shit in the South China Sea.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > Why not provide them to the Houthis and let them whack a DDG, then?
                Iran can't produce the long-range ASBMs (the missiles, yes, but not the guidance systems); only China is making those, and nobody really knows (or at least they aren't talking) just how effective they would be against a moving ship in a high-EW environment. China giving something like that directly to Iran/Houthis is a good way for them to wind up with the kind of sanctions the Russians are under. It's a tad on the escalatory side, even for the current Administration. Also, there's a chance that if things get too far out of control, both the Red Sea *and* the Persian Gulf get effectively closed for a while, and there goes most of China's oil imports along with a fair percentage of food and petrochemical imports.

                Doesn't mean they *won't* do it, because Xi has had everyone who could tell him what is and isn't a good idea shot, but it does make it somewhat less likely.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Modern? C-802 is comparable to Harpoon, missiles that date back to the 80s. This is not high end stuff.

                What is the ASM on the USS Gravely? Tomahawks -- if they haven't fired them all off by now. So, let's not get wienery.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i know the VLS loadout of a US warship
                Wow anon you're so cool.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's not that. It's that the USN doesn't *have* a VLS ASCM outside of some modified Tomahawks. There are provisions for launching Standards against ships (demonstrated in Praying Mantis), but those follow a ballistic arc like GMLRS, rather than a sea-hugging flight path.

                The primary--almost the sole--means for the USN to deal with opposing warships armed with ASCMs is to call in aircraft (or at least helicopters, as at Bubiyan Island).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean it has (or may not have) anti ship Tomahawks and there's a CSG in the region, so anti-ship weapons aren't too big of a concern. But yes the lack of containerized AShMs does concern me too.

                That being said I wouldn't talk shit about SM-6 anti-surface mode anon.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The downside of Standard (any model) is a roughly ballistic trajectory, which makes it relatively easy to spot unless it's pushing seriously high-mach speeds in order to shorten the engagement time
                .
                How did OASuW Increment 2 go from being "fit LRASM into a Mk 41" into "lol just build a new air-launched missile and make it hypersonic this time"? For that matter, what are they planning for the bubbleheads to do in shallow, constrained waters where it's tough to sneak up into torpedo range against a large force (e.g., Taiwan)? We've been needing a proper B/UGM replacement for decades now, especially with the upcoming VPM.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >What? It absolutely fires 20mm.

              Yeah, you can fire regular 20 mm in it, at the expense of range and barrel wear. Standard ammunition is .50 cal armor piercing discarding sabot bullets that would have a muzzle velocity of ~1400 meters per second or so. A sabot is a kind of self detatchable doohickey that sits around the bullet so you can fire a subcaliber bullet from a barrel that is too wide. USN switched from depleted uranium bullets to tungsten bullets a couple of years ago. If they fire regular 20 mm they're low on funds.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >this is what they actually meant by RIM RAM
              kek

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you score 51 on an AFQT you are smart enough to have earned a diploma and certainly smart enough for a GED.
        Meanwhile russians graduate barely literate morons who are also genetic trash and terminally drunk.
        Our trash is your treasure.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, that's just the Freedom-class's 57mm gun, which has no radar director and can only be aimed manually with a joystick. Burkes have radar GFCS for their 5", and in fact Phalanxes have two different radars (one to track the target, the other to track the outgoing rounds) and can operate completely independently of all other systems if given the authority to do so. RAM, meanwhile, is a self-guided missile requiring no illumination, and is often deployed on Phalanx mountings that use the Phalanx's tracking radar to aim the launcher.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've said this before, but this must be an incredibly opportunity for the US and other countries with ships in the area, given all of the free practice, data and experience they're getting against an actual enemy. There's nothing like facing the real thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not entirely free, but yeah this is going to give some valuable lessons learnt.
      However, considering navies are historically dogshit at implementing lessons learnt who knows what’ll stick. Never have I ever been more fricking demoralised than when I’ve had to interact with any element of the structure or bureaucracy of the Royal Navy. Just speaking to officers makes me want to glass them in their stupid fricking faces with their moronic literally 200 years out of date conception of what’s for the best.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don't really agree. Look at lessons learned during the Falklands War.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >want to glass them in their stupid fricking faces with their moronic literally 200 years out of date conception of what’s for the best
        Now you have some idea of what the rest of the world feels like when they have to talk to any Brit, ever.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Oprah talked to Prince Harry and he seemed nice.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meh american women experience veganal spasms over the accent

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Only when it's cute dudes saying it. They pepper spray your average bong

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it is an incredible opportunity for NATO adversaries to observe NATO defense tactics and capabilities - this is not a win for us.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >look here, the USN is capable of defending against sporadic missile fire!
        Not the big own you think it is

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fricking Russia is always a win you silly vatnig. Weapons bought to fend off the menace to Western civilization getting used for their intended purpose without having to lose NATO troops is a fantastic strategic deal.

        When the USSR crushed rebellions in its conquests there was little the West could do except contain the USSR until it imploded. Things are different now.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When are these /misc/ morons going to learn that coming into random threads and making shit up about suicidal veterans or whatever torpedos any argument they could make, because it requires no actual effort to come up with and displays no actual knowledge of anything?

    Like here let me do it.

    >America has been going downhill since the gold standard
    >9/11 was an israel operation
    >ukraine actually started the war and russia was just defending itself

    Boom. Literally zero thought, I have put in literally zero effort to become familiar with this shit.

    How about all the /misc/ users in this thread actually say something about weapons, say about the function of an Aegis combat system? How about you prove that you actually sat down for a few hours one time and read more than the fricking wikipedia article about SM-3?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In order to be a /misc/troon, being utterly ignorant of politics and military affairs is a requirement. The reason they never make genuine arguments is because making a genuine, good-faith, reasoned argument in favor of a /misc/ opinion is physically impossible.
      The best way to deal with them is to have your own one-liners at the ready, stuff that's simple enough they can understand it but also based on reality and easily verifiable. There are generally only about 4 or 5 /misc/ takes circulating on the board at any given time, probably because that's as many words as your average /misc/tard is capable of remembering, so it's not hard to understand and counter all of them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >countering them
        No, they have some stupid belief that they're actually, on /misc/, "debating" and "finding true arguments" or whatever, and that all their arguments are designed to persuade the "neutral observer". Engaging them is not going to work as in most cases they're not smart/educated enough to participate in complex technical debates, so they just shit on you with stupid race based stuff until you quit, at which point they can claim that they've "won" and anyone stupid like them will agree with them.

        The best thing to do is to repeatedly call them out and run them off the board. Agitate them slightly until they bring out the israelite/Black person/race/troony shit, report them, get them thrown off the board. They can seethe on /misc/ about how cucked or whatever /k/ is as much as they like, we've seen the shit they post here when they get triggered, actual amateur BBC cuck porn that they have to go out of their way to find, they're all fricking race fetishists in the end, frick them.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The point of engaging them isn't to convince them of anything, it's to prevent their narratives from spreading to the ignorant, i.e. convince bystanders. Like I said, simple replies and ignore the shit-stirring.
          Reporting and simple calling out also works, but is only a defensive measure - a verifiable counter-narrative is much stronger because it also neutralizes the argument in the future when they bring it up again, by arming more people to counter it whether in a post or internally.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >counter-narrative
            Or we could just let the mods do their job and talk about actual weapons, which is the real point of this board. I don't know if you've noticed but raiders from /misc/ tend to leave threads with solely weapons related discussion alone since they don't know enough about weapons to derail them.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Current military events and war politics are relevant and some of us enjoy having real discussions about them. As shitty as it is, /misc/ posters coming in and shitting up threads is a reality. Letting their narratives spread only breeds more shit-stirring morons, so it's better we do whatever we can to reduce the amount of that shit going on than to just ignore the problem, because a lot of people just can't ignore it. If you don't call out and debunk the bait, someone else will straight up take it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >counter-narrative
            Or we could just let the mods do their job and talk about actual weapons, which is the real point of this board. I don't know if you've noticed but raiders from /misc/ tend to leave threads with solely weapons related discussion alone since they don't know enough about weapons to derail them.

            Frankly a big problem is how bait prone this board is. There will be a shitpost and 10 people will respond and it will derail the thread and have to be pruned.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah true, I've seen in a lot of threads that I'll be the only person talking about weapons anymore and everyone else will just be responding to the bait.

              Current military events and war politics are relevant and some of us enjoy having real discussions about them. As shitty as it is, /misc/ posters coming in and shitting up threads is a reality. Letting their narratives spread only breeds more shit-stirring morons, so it's better we do whatever we can to reduce the amount of that shit going on than to just ignore the problem, because a lot of people just can't ignore it. If you don't call out and debunk the bait, someone else will straight up take it.

              >war politics
              The mods, despite even their recent statements, have never banned people for this. It only becomes bannable when you're derailing threads with it and obviously spamming /misc/ shit. I've had 100+ post discussions with anons about outright politics and been left alone because it was kept on topic and productive.

              >Letting their narratives spread only breeds more shit-stirring morons
              No. All of the people spamming this board are from /misc/ or some small discords/splinter communities that hate /k/ for some schizo reasons. There is no discussion to be had with them.

              I'm saying we should talk about weapons because it disarms them btw. None of them actually know enough about say the use of ISR in Desert Storm to go 3 posts about it without having to bring up dirty white woman fricking Black folk manning the E-8s or whatever. Talking about weapons makes them leave.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Talking about weapons is all well and good, but I want to talk about ongoing wars too. Bringing up the American military is inevitable, and it invites /misc/ shitters who need to be quickly shut down before 10 morons reply to them with angry uninformed nonsense. Based on the amount of posts they make compared to the number of quality or at least half-decent posts on this board, it doesn't even make a dent in our time to type one sentence for each of them, and it's a net savings if it saves people responding to bait. In general, you don't respond if someone has already said it better, so the best strategy is to say it best first and move on.
                Why do you think all of them are from /misc/? It's because that's a place where those ideas are able to spread, because no one is countering them. That's how ideas work - to simplify it excessively, you internalize the first thing you see that seems right.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but I want to talk about ongoing wars too.
                Then do so, I've been doing it for years, well before 2022. The people who have been doing this shit are all /misc/ tourists.

                >Based on the amount of posts they make compared to the number of quality or at least half-decent posts on this board, it doesn't even make a dent in our time to type one sentence for each of them
                Time isn't the issue, posts and bumping threads is. Remember a lot of people use phones or stock PrepHole so they can't easily see these morons samegayging or spamming 9 threads at once, replying to their bullshit and giving them effectively 6 full phone-screne scrolls worth of amplification is not productive. I, on desktop, can simply filter stuff like "troony cuck" from showing up at all, in some cases I can make complex regex to filter one specific person's posts because how idiosyncratic they are but most people can't.

                >Why do you think all of them are from /misc/?
                I didn't say that, a lot of them are from smaller chans and discords, there's a small-ish group that got kicked out from /qa/ and a few other boards a while back who come here to spam because they have some moronic feud with the mods of /k/ and PrepHole in general. "/pol/" is used as a broad term.

                >It's because that's a place where those ideas are able to spread, because no one is countering them.
                Not really this shit has spread far beyond /misc/ at this point. Nuking it would help massively but it's not the sole producer of this brainrotting shit like it was in 2015, these people have smaller communities they migrate to now. Also I think it's kinda adorable that you believe it's about the spread of ideas. That stopped around 2017 anon, they haven't had actual discussion since then.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ideas aren't discussions or logical notions. Memes are closer to the correct term, but in the sense of "meme theory" or "memetics", not the internet sense. It's about the spread of memes.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It’s a tactic similar to making slide threads. They come into regular threads and shit it up, which ensures people keep replying and bumping the threads to the front page, other threads (some of which might have embarrassing content for cum/chug/gers) don’t get as much activity and stay hidden. Some of our general threads don’t even make it to autosage anymore before getting bumped off.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sink it already you slackers

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah agreed. CIWS being required in any way, let alone a missile being shot down within A FRICKING MILE, is a big deal. Maybe the ship was running low on SAMs but this isn't acceptable. Sink that ship plus a few others and the attacks will stop.

      Why care about someone else's choice? Suicide is a personal problem

      This board alone has probably lost a few hundred veterans to suicide. If you think it's a personal problem then you have a personal issue to work out you disgusting frick.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For anyone curious if we're dealing with a proper turbojet/fan powered cruise missile that's like 10-20 seconds to impact. The launch + stabilization + acquisition + guidance + travel time of an SM-2 is probably about that, so it was maybe one more shot (or potentially nothing) plus CIWS then boom.

        Sink the Behshad.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If it had been the YJ-18 (Mach 3 terminal rocket boost), I'd have been hit

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >This board alone has probably lost a few hundred veterans to suicide
        They should've manned up and dealt with their problems then

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This or the Iranian carrier. Send it to the bottom and maybe they will get the message to either stop dicking around OR do your own dirty work and face the US directly.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Aim for that picture of the dead baby.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you *really* want to send a message, hit Kharg Island's pumping facilities.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's kind of scary, good the CIWS worked though. It's got to be remembered that this is a shooting conflict and losses may be taken.
    It's also important to not fall for the idiotic mindset of "We made the US bleed, we've won!" (Or "we've lost", for Americans.)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Oh yeah for sure. The Houthis are fricking around with a lot of dumbass UAVs but they also have Iranian anti ship ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, those things weren't made for larping, they were made for a legitimate war. If this keeps up we're going to see a US ship get hit, especially if Iran has a good team working on countermeasures and proactively deploying them. Just like the US gains experience from shooting these things down repeatedly Iran also gains experience from seeing what works and what doesn't.

      This interception may have been just one missile short of a full penetration of the ships' defenses for example. They may not be telling us right now that 12 missiles were fired at the ship for obvious reasons. Now the Iranians know that 12+2 missiles will probably do it against a ship in that state in those conditions.

      Oprah talked to Prince Harry and he seemed nice.

      >saville
      The UK has always given me a creepy vibe. There's just something off about that nation.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The UK has always given me a creepy vibe. There's just something off about that nation.
        I feel that way about all island nations, the smaller the island the more condensed the fricked up shit is, for example the Pitcairn’s.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I honestly think there's something in the water therer. Even south Asians that migrate there suddenly go full demented rule Britannia kill everything that looks at our country weird. I think it's heavy metal poisining. The fresh water in the UK has to be fricked up

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I think it's heavy metal poisining. The fresh water in the UK has to be fricked up
            Considering their industrial history that’s probably that, from what I can recall a lot of their fresh water source’s got turbo fricked by industry runoff during the 19th century and it’s just got worse during the 20th.

            Clearly a photoshop, a real manlet would be begging for the sweet release of death.

            And yeah same. Japan is less creepy to me than say New Zealand or the UK or Australia is, because at least Japan has a lot of tourists and a far larger population than the two. Some fricking weird shit happens in rural communities in smaller island nations and there's nobody around with the "wait, what the frick is wrong with you weirdos? stop that right now" vibe like you might get in the US or Europe to put an end to it.

            Speaking as a Ausgay I’ve encountered some weird and sketchy shit, while the cities are full of gays the rural towns are packed with some of the weirdest c**ts God has ever put on this Earth.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Small towns are psycho. I think part of it is really heinous shit doesn't get punished. When there's not a ton of families and they all have closer ties and your second cousin is the DA people can look the other way for some seriously psycho shit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That’s why I live semi-rural, it’s far enough away from the gaygatry of the cities but close enough that shits relatively normal.

                >while the cities are full of gays the rural towns are packed with some of the weirdest c**ts God has ever put on this Earth.
                Yep. I'd like you to realize that this is very specifically why the US Marshals exist. You can be as weird as you like in your little town out in the Appalachians, all of your friends can be in on your little child trafficking ring or whatever the frick you're running, but the US Marshals coming for your ass is going to be a very bad time. They can and will ignore any bullshit from the state level down and they are 100% empowered to frick you up.

                But yes those sorts of communities are extremely fricking weird. A unique type of delusion happens there, that the people doing the weird shit are laws unto themselves, that their delusion becomes law or logic itself. They all need their doors kicked in. Cities have a lot of problems and a lot of people in cities are almost as delusional but at least in cities you have other people around and an inability to control what gets seen or talked about.

                I’ve never looked into it but I’m not sure we have our own equivalent of the Marshals here, when ever some fricks up big time in the country they send in city cops. Like last year when those schizoids in Tara (hell on earth, the town itself is fine but everyone living on the periphery are class A psychotics that range from drug growers to cults) ambushed and killed some rural cops, they had to send in SERT teams from Brisbane to deal with em.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >while the cities are full of gays the rural towns are packed with some of the weirdest c**ts God has ever put on this Earth.
              Yep. I'd like you to realize that this is very specifically why the US Marshals exist. You can be as weird as you like in your little town out in the Appalachians, all of your friends can be in on your little child trafficking ring or whatever the frick you're running, but the US Marshals coming for your ass is going to be a very bad time. They can and will ignore any bullshit from the state level down and they are 100% empowered to frick you up.

              But yes those sorts of communities are extremely fricking weird. A unique type of delusion happens there, that the people doing the weird shit are laws unto themselves, that their delusion becomes law or logic itself. They all need their doors kicked in. Cities have a lot of problems and a lot of people in cities are almost as delusional but at least in cities you have other people around and an inability to control what gets seen or talked about.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Clearly a photoshop, a real manlet would be begging for the sweet release of death.

          And yeah same. Japan is less creepy to me than say New Zealand or the UK or Australia is, because at least Japan has a lot of tourists and a far larger population than the two. Some fricking weird shit happens in rural communities in smaller island nations and there's nobody around with the "wait, what the frick is wrong with you weirdos? stop that right now" vibe like you might get in the US or Europe to put an end to it.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    BIRD ON THE RAIL

    BRACE BRACE BRACE

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the frick are they wearing?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The weird hood/gas mask combination? Anti-flash gear and gas masks to protect against suspected chemical weapons that may have been fired on the ship.

        Pic related from the USS Carney, a dude in the CIC during general quarters.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ywn get ripped out of a burning compartment by a hot brown girl

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >did these motherfrickers actually just turn on one of those portable bluetooth FM radio station things for cars on a fricking warship?
            >what is wrong with these Iranians???

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >yep that's piss

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >bonus incredible star shot for some reason???
                >i want this full res

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that thing
            >hot
            Have some standards, man.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            anon, after about 16 seconds in a burning compartment, all girls turn hot and brown.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nah, the weird green jerseys. Looks kinda casual and depressing, considering it's a battleship.
          The only thing I could find that resembles them are the flame resistant jerseys that the deck crew on carriers wear.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh that stuff? Probably something to denote their position or something, I don't know. The USS Missouri museum has a really good youtube channel, maybe the dude there has explained how the uniforms go.

            >bonus B-2

            >that thing
            >hot
            Have some standards, man.

            I'm into Indian looking girls and you cannot stop me. I want her to save my life, rip off her clothing to reveal a muscled body, and dominate me.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I can respect a man who knows what he wants. Secksu is the greatest weapon. This is truly a /k/ post

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wanting to be dominated by thirdies is vatnik behavior.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >thirdies
                She's in the US Navy on a front line very accomplished US warship, currently deployed, and she has an Amreican name. Also you're gay if you wouldn't get bent over and railed to the point of crying by a hot muscly girl with a strap just saying.

                >posting on topic content from DVIDS makes this a better quality post than yours btw
                >USS Shoup

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Also you're gay if you wouldn't get bent over and railed to the point of crying
                Yeah, you're a vatnik alright.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                As the /misc/ friends we have here say, whiter than you, Muhammad.

                >same ship, stretcher bearer training

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't think they'd say anything like that, given how much they hate white people.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They do which is the funniest shit anon. Every poster on /misc/ is a Mexican/Iraqi teenager who LARPs as an accomplished white American businessman with 4 kids and a farm.

                >pictures you can smell

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Indian looking girls
              Nah, that's jungle sudaca.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Green jersey is for ground crew stuff. On a battleship, they'd be aircrew and maintenance for the helicopters, as well as comms and signalling for the same

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              BBs used different color-coding. This video was taken inside a 16" turret.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wonder if any data from these shit tier interceptions of outdated houthi stuff will help the systems get improved? Are we too down hill civilization wise to do that still lol?

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Include the link you are quoting next time, newhomosexual.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Was it Phalanx or SeaRAM?
    Either way sounds like they're getting wienery if they let a cruise missile get that close. They should treat all war as peer war and not let any ships just go off on their own.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      USS Gravely only has Phalanx

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where are these goat frickers even getting cruise missiles from in the first place?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Imported components from Iran. Much of them Chinese and Russian in origin.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iran and China mostly

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And China is totally cool with allowing goat frickers to have cruise missiles in the area where all their energy gets shipped over from?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their only experience with Islam’s in the modern era is throwing ones that mostly minded their business in camps. I’m sure eventually (probably soon) they’re going to get a reminder that religious fervor doesn’t make for the most rational actors and global Jonas doesn’t give a shit who’s “friends” they are.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Global Jihad*. Damn it now I’m imagining the Jonas brothers praying to Mecca

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They thought they were, now they're whining for the towelheads to stop. The Chinese are not actually good at international politics, and Xi's cult of personality are much worse than average. Here's a guy who's thrown away decades of 'friendly harmless chinaman' work in favor of chest-thumping that's just pissed everyone off. A guy who gave his country rolling blackouts to "get back" at the Aussies who laughed themselves teary-eyed and sold the same coal at the same price to the dotheads, who marked it up and sold it to the Chinese, anyway.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And China is totally cool with allowing goat frickers to have cruise missiles in the area where all their energy gets shipped over from?

          The goatfrickers are cool with the chinks and vice versa because the chinks grease the right palms and the chinks arent joined at the hip to Gods Chosen Country (the original, not the wannabee version on the western side of the Atlantic).

          In fact, the missiles the goat frickers use are based off chinese C-700 and C-800 series designs, with the latest C-802 being about as capable as the USN Harpoon. The C-700 series are like a boosted Hellfire.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People are clowning on Houthis but honest to god they could probably score a hit if Iran said frick it and funneled them the good good chink stuff. Would be fascinating to see whether or not the current theory on counter missile tech is even viable against saturation fire. Or if the US is being lazy. My god the Vatnik spam would be insufferable…

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >People are clowning on Houthis but honest to god they could probably score a hit if Iran said frick it and funneled them the good good chink stuff.

              The good good chink stuff does not leave China. The stuff the iranians get is the chinks low end gear.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The 'good' chink stuff does not exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It will be fascinating if China ever ends up in any conventional conflicts to see their shit in action. My bet would be a special military operation in Central Asia while Russia seethes and disapproves while realizing they can’t do shit and are just a Chinese vassal now

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I honestly don't think it'll happen, at least not any time soon. The real question mark to me is what happens when Xi dies or is removed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then a shitload of the cheap chinkshit. I would rather the navy get a potential wake-up call now than later if it comes to thT

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >saturation fire
              This is why theyre rolling out that massive EW upgrade for the Burkes and the new EW system for the navy's helicopters
              Best way to take out a hundred incoming missiles is to make them all miss

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ballistic arc
                >EW

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bad news for you, ships move.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not by miles. Wtf you gonna do jam GPS? optical guide that b***h in

                Moheet ASBM literally uses an IR seeker for terminal, what you gonna EW fricking chaff? Its one thing to ask a question and start a discussion its another thing to be a confident moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >optically guide
                Clouds, homie.

                >IR seeker
                Flares, homie. Dazzlers, homie.

                also
                >Not by miles.
                A ship at flank speed(30ish knots) can travel 5 nautical miles in 10 minutes. For a cruise missile going at 500 knots that'd be a 83 nmi firing range with maybe the last 10-15 giving a good radar track. So yes, they can move by miles you dense frick.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Flares arent EW homie how tf an EW helicopter supposed to help. And the houthis are already using converted S-75 SAMs as AShBMs with IR seekers. In fact thats most of their shit

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, you're autistic. Did you really need "EW and countermeasures" spelt out to you?

                Also I shudder at the thought of the RCS of some old ass S-75. You don't need radar to see it most likely, just listen to an FM radio and hear the thing echo off radio stations hahahaha.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im replying to the guy thats talking about EW helicopters

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, yes you are autistic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This board used to be fun. Now its just morons calling other morons morons thinking theyre not a moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Not really you just came into a thread and began throwing around insults for no reason.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Go cry about it

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >why don't people like me when I call them morons and say stupid shit?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just fire it somewhere idk lmao maybe it'll hit lol
                I didn't know we had a member of the Houthis in this thread. Have the Iranians educated you on how the seekers on your ballistic missiles work yet?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yeah, its IR or optical, moron. INS is a thing. What do you thing jamming is a magic bullet?

                The state of this board

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                At absolute minimum knowing where a shell is and will be at all times make aiming much easier

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think you're confusing "ballistic" with "high-velocity". It is absolutely possible to put a seeker on a SRBM or MRBM, because they don't come down fast enough to jam themselves. The US did it with Pershing 2, which used an active radar terminal seeker and was developed in the '70s and fielded in the '80s. EW would certainly be appropriate against a Pershing-type threat.

                Where it gets questionable is when the PLAN claims that they can launch ASBMs at a carrier several thousand miles away and successfully lock onto *that*. The speeds and altitudes are far greater, enough so that the re-entry can fuzz up a seeker until it slows down, at which point it's kinda too late to aim at anything. It's the velocity through the atmosphere that determines how hard it is to use terminal guidance, not the shape of the flight path.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we're not using our GOOD stuff yet!
              oh my god, we've come full circle

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People are clowning on Houthis but honest to god they could probably score a hit if Iran said frick it and funneled them the good good chink stuff. Would be fascinating to see whether or not the current theory on counter missile tech is even viable against saturation fire. Or if the US is being lazy. My god the Vatnik spam would be insufferable…

            >People are clowning on Houthis but honest to god they could probably score a hit if Iran said frick it and funneled them the good good chink stuff.

            The good good chink stuff does not leave China. The stuff the iranians get is the chinks low end gear.

            Then a shitload of the cheap chinkshit. I would rather the navy get a potential wake-up call now than later if it comes to thT

            https://i.imgur.com/vdtkEpm.png

            >we're not using our GOOD stuff yet!
            oh my god, we've come full circle

            >Chinese

            Iranian missiles (C-800 series specifically) are Iranian copies of Nork copies of Chinese copies of French missiles.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Did the chicoms kill like 30 million people in a span of 5 years by killing shit like birds?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            everyone dunks on australia for losing a war to birds, but at least those birds were big and australians didn't suffer a 7 figure death count in that conflict

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sure, because they're not attacking the Chinese, because the Chinese aren't drawing attention to their work with Israel.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Chinese ships get a free pass, that's why now many cargo ships are declaring openly on Comms that they have all "Chinese" crew and have nothing to with Israel to not get hit: https://www.businessinsider.com/ships-red-sea-all-chinese-houthi-attack-yemen-gulf-aden-2024-1?amp

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Noice.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought CIWS was hopeless and useless and couldn't and didn't work???

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I thought CIWS was hopeless and useless and couldn't and didn't work???

      It depends on which version of CIWS we are talking about. Phalanx is an old bolt on upgrade from the 70's that was never developed into something more capable because the USN decided to go all in on missiles.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nobody really likes Phalanx all that much. The USN much prefers SeaRAM. Like when ships were old and needed something NOW, it was fine. But now with new builds and such, why bother with measly 20mm?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It was also prior to AEGIS vessels not being able to perform BMD and close-in defense simultaneously. New versions can but back then, they couldn't. Hence Phalanx's independent control.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Hence Phalanx's independent control.

          The Phalanx radar tracks the outgoing bullet stream and adjusts it so that it can score a direct hit on the incoming missile. Also, being an upgrade, it had to be self contained.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Nobody really likes Phalanx all that much. The USN much prefers SeaRAM. Like when ships were old and needed something NOW, it was fine. But now with new builds and such, why bother with measly 20mm?

        Phalanx was a bolt-on ship upgrade that didnt need to have deck penetration, meaning that there was no need for a dedicated room beneath it. You could bolt on a phalanx mount on top of the kitchen, the bridge or the helicopter hangar if you wanted to. IIRC the Italians made a similar upgrade, called the Otomat (?) fast forty, with two hot rodded Bofors 40mm L70 that also was not deck penetrating but also heavier. This was like 40+ years ago.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The Otomat was their anti-ship missile, the gun you’re referring to is just called the OTO Melara 76/62 gun mount. Only a new version, “Sovraponte” (over deck), is non-penetrating. The other 76/62 models are very popular though

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            me
            Nevermind I’m moronic and forgot about the fast 40

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    scary as hell cwis had to be used
    but i guess it's cool cwis worked, i thought everyone was dunking on the phalanx being shitty

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is shitty, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work most of the time. It's just that the few times it doesn't are unacceptable.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    one is going to get through...

    this shit is fricked and I don't like it.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not looking forward to it but to be honest I think this is part of the reason for the US deployment there.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Vatniks throwing it back in our faces will be kinda poetic NGL. Granted /k/ will turn into US navy being moronic for over a year.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the seamen on those ships know the deal, they’re in the shit and doing exactly what they are trained to do.

      the USN practices combat damage control relentlessly for a reason

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah a girl I knew that was in said the sheer amount of damage control practice they did was bordering o nschizo. She was also relentlessly raped multiple times and her COs gaslight gatekeeped girl bossed her about it. So for the love of god if you have any female friends or family that are considering joining the navy steer them away from getting trapped on a boat with a bunch of incel BUDs washouts.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          She's lying for attention. U.S. Navy sailors are honorable.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Takes a direct hit from whatever the largest missile in their inventory is
        >The entire front quarter of the ship is gone
        >Still makes it back to port under it's own power
        If this was possible in WW2 i'd like to think our damage control has improved.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It would probably sink lol but the seamen would put up a hell of a fight. I think a lot of the USN has been mythologized because the second world war. I'm not saying "lol navy suck modern seamen soft", but a lot of the "le best navy ever" comes from the fact that the US could shit out an infinite number of ships. Now our Navy is basically the Russians with regards to taking 20 years to shit out two copies of some future weapon mega projects that end up being scrapped and called a proof of concept.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nah, the USN and RN put a hellish amount of DC training on their crews. This is due to actually having a naval tradition, for one thing. One of the main things that differentiates the Constellation class from its FREMM counterpart is the increase in bulkheads and DC lockers. Hell, I think they're still finding DC lockers on the New Jersey.

            Bong Training Facility: https://youtu.be/xXC6U0NfJg8

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              God I hate water. Sailors are wired wrong.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                how are you going to hydrate without water? dumbass

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Water is tasty, but if it's deeper than a puddle no thanks. Yes I'm a mayo monkey but I'm also epileptic so I could hypothetically drown in a puddle so left swipe on water for me.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That's a huge improvement over LCS, which was built with reduced--almost commercial-grade--damage control and survivability features, supposedly in order to save money.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nothing can beat losing the entire ships keel and somehow making back to port imo.

          still in service btw

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Takes a direct hit from whatever the largest missile in their inventory is
            >The entire front quarter of the ship is gone
            >Still makes it back to port under it's own power
            If this was possible in WW2 i'd like to think our damage control has improved.

            Beyond impressive. Ships are kinda like people in that they can survive being shot with a shotgun in the chest and then end up dying cause a baseball hit their chest at the perfect time during a heartbeat.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i thought all 57mm/76mm/127mm guns are fully capable of shooting down ballistic/cruise missiles with ease.

    why is this news?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ballistic? Only a very short-ranged one, more akin to GMLRS than to a Scud, and even that's very questionable. I'm actually a bit skeptical that any procedures have been put into place for engaging ballistic targets with main guns.

      Cruise missiles? Sure, but again, the range on naval gunfire is so short that even against a subsonic ASCM you only get a handful of shots off before the first gets close enough that even a solid on the missile will still spray shrapnel and fuel all over the ship. That's why the USN is moving away from Phalanx and towards RAM/SeaRAM as the preferred CIWS: in order to begin firing at a longer range.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nah the bongs shot one down with guns a while back.
    In both cases it's probably not good that it got that close.

    The reports on the bong side just said they used "guns" but I assume that's what they meant

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wanna pretend an old school navel officer that was a redcoat for a time too a shot at one with his revolver he scavenged off a dead jap man as a military advisor for the Empire's armies.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'll allow it. Naval blunderbuss perhaps.

        >The reports on the bong side just said they used "guns" but I assume that's what they meant
        Was a drone though, wasn't it. Could've been one of the Diamond's bigger guns. Radar-guided airburst from kilometers away.

        Ah yes you're right it was a drone. Still gave me the willies at the time

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The reports on the bong side just said they used "guns" but I assume that's what they meant
      Was a drone though, wasn't it. Could've been one of the Diamond's bigger guns. Radar-guided airburst from kilometers away.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Bringing shit across boards to raid and shit them up has been against both board culture and site rules for longer than you've been alive. You have to be really annoying for people to side with the mods, and you've done it! Congrats!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm done talking about this dumb ass fricking shit, frick you crybaby nobody is "raiding" you it's people you disagree with posting in the same thread. This isn't your hugbox, if you want that there's other sites that you can go to for that.

      Anyway.

      I find it incredible that the missile got so close and agree with the other posters here that says this indicates a hit is much more likely than I'd have imagined.

      I wonder what happened - surely they attempted to engage with other systems

      The big question is whether this was part of a swarm.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the board is called /k/ope for a reason. Say a single Ukranian died or any American equipment performed suboptimal and half of the board will arrive sobbing and crying and calling you a Russian shill brown hand bot farm.

        I think it was a lone missile. That's a normal distance for countermeasures to activate but it is kind of concerning if that's what every modern nay thinks is a great idea for modern naval warfare. It's gon be brutal/

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I think it was a lone missile

          I'm done talking about this dumb ass fricking shit, frick you crybaby nobody is "raiding" you it's people you disagree with posting in the same thread. This isn't your hugbox, if you want that there's other sites that you can go to for that.

          Anyway.

          I find it incredible that the missile got so close and agree with the other posters here that says this indicates a hit is much more likely than I'd have imagined.

          I wonder what happened - surely they attempted to engage with other systems

          The big question is whether this was part of a swarm.

          >whether this was part of a swarm
          >the rest of the post that isn't b***hing about someone pointing out he's from /misc/ (accurately, and to the degree he got offended and began throwing slurs btw) is literally worthless

          Neither of you are from here and it shows, that's why people dislike you.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            sir can you type

            >the board is called /k/ope for a reason. Say a single Ukranian died or any American equipment performed suboptimal and half of the board will arrive sobbing and crying and calling you a Russian shill brown hand bot farm.
            lol brown

            Maybe you can set the example instead of shit posting? The people you're responding to are at least somewhat on topic. You are completely hypocritical to complain when you are making the lowest effort trolling shitposts in the thread. Nobody - nobody likes reading this.

            >They're significant threats to non-Aegis ships.

            Threats, yes, significant, no, unless the target has poor radar or poor fire control or poor self defense weaponry. IOW good for shooting up thirdies.

            The fact that the ship being engaged needed CIWS to down the threat seems to imply it is a threat though.

            Assuming the missile hit would it be a sinking or just a mission kill?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >set the example
              Motherfricker I have been participating in this thread just like everyone else until you brought it back up. Did you really get this triggered by a random civil discussion of /misc/ raiding? And I think a lot of people liked it considering nobody began having a fit about it until you showed up.

              Also again the rest of your post shows that you don't know anything.

              frick you homosexual enjoy your facebook tier echo chamber

              Will do, get the frick out.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You should get used to seeing people with different opinions posting here because you crying about it won't stop it from happening.

                No, that's just the Freedom-class's 57mm gun, which has no radar director and can only be aimed manually with a joystick. Burkes have radar GFCS for their 5", and in fact Phalanxes have two different radars (one to track the target, the other to track the outgoing rounds) and can operate completely independently of all other systems if given the authority to do so. RAM, meanwhile, is a self-guided missile requiring no illumination, and is often deployed on Phalanx mountings that use the Phalanx's tracking radar to aim the launcher.

                You seem to be knowledgeable - what does the fact that this was downed with CIWS suggest to you if anything?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bro, this discussion already happened earlier in the thread. You are not convincing anyone by coming in to b***h about /misc/ being mentioned then engaging in the most obvious "please don't ban me" "discussion".

                https://i.imgur.com/PIsKXon.jpg

                >Phalanx fires subcaliber .50 cal APDS rounds, not 20 mm shells. As far as CIWS go, it is absolutely at the bottom tier of all CIWS.
                What? It absolutely fires 20mm.
                [...]
                >just decide to leave CIWS on because "maybe"
                Things like this aren't a spur of the moment call. You go to Weapons Posture 1 in a high threat environment. CIWS stays in auto and if you have an inbound vampire, FIS goes green and hold fire off.
                CIWS will engage based on closure rate and Pk, or if queued by WCS. The whole point is that it self-sustains with it's own search and track system.

                I think they had a very short horizon engagement, SM-2 salvo missed, and CIWS picked it up while asses consumed cushions in CIC.
                Pure speculation on my part.

                It was also prior to AEGIS vessels not being able to perform BMD and close-in defense simultaneously. New versions can but back then, they couldn't. Hence Phalanx's independent control.

                >What? It absolutely fires 20mm.

                Yeah, you can fire regular 20 mm in it, at the expense of range and barrel wear. Standard ammunition is .50 cal armor piercing discarding sabot bullets that would have a muzzle velocity of ~1400 meters per second or so. A sabot is a kind of self detatchable doohickey that sits around the bullet so you can fire a subcaliber bullet from a barrel that is too wide. USN switched from depleted uranium bullets to tungsten bullets a couple of years ago. If they fire regular 20 mm they're low on funds.

                >So like a sea skimming missile or are you referring to something else?
                I'd suspect since they're being supplied by the Iranians the Houthis are firing Noors, which is a copy of the Chinese C-802, which itself was derived from the Chinese's copy of the French Exocet.
                In terms of ASMs, it doesn't push AEGIS to it's limits but it's modern, and yes, sea-skimming.
                Keep in mind that in air defense, engagement timelines of a minute would be considered fairly long.

                Sorry for the mass reply btw guys.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Actually a total homosexual.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks, stop posting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Make me homosexual. That other guy wasnt even me moron

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for faithfully compiling the posts you feel answer my question. Sorry you're butt mad bro

                I think they had a very short horizon engagement, SM-2 salvo missed, and CIWS picked it up while asses consumed cushions in CIC.
                Pure speculation on my part.

                Seems plausible to me. Kind of a big deal.

                It's been said earlier but this is unacceptable. The risk of a ship getting hit is apparently much higher than I've been lead to believe.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It suggests that I need more information in order to figure out what allowed the missile to get that close. Absent that,

                I think they had a very short horizon engagement, SM-2 salvo missed, and CIWS picked it up while asses consumed cushions in CIC.
                Pure speculation on my part.

                is the most likely answer.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          sir can you type

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the board is called /k/ope for a reason. Say a single Ukranian died or any American equipment performed suboptimal and half of the board will arrive sobbing and crying and calling you a Russian shill brown hand bot farm.
          lol brown

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          This board really did go to shit after the initial russian invasion /k/ino of 2022. Now you cant even think about giving a dissenting opinion without a bunch of people calling you brown or some assblasted mod removing everything. And they think its a good thing. And now its taken over by actual honest to god IDF soldiers, Ive talked to alot of them

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >IDF soldiers posting on /k/ is new or bad
            Hahaha holy shit you are literally from 2019.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dissenting opinion
            lol
            lmao
            /pol/Black folk get the rope

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              frick you homosexual enjoy your facebook tier echo chamber

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I used to come to /k/ to insult old people and their weird attachment issues.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post hands and passport.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You think it was a lone missile because you didn't lurk long enough to know why that's unlikely

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There's no fricking way, yeah. Unless it was sea skimming?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Unless it was sea skimming?
              No. Sea skimming makes it more difficult but no. There's an older military study from the 80s that I could dig up but I can't be bothered, basically these things weren't that difficult to deal with back in the 80s and they sure as shit aren't now. The real problem is the shortening of engagement windows from them being sea skimming, which is why Aegis has a huge focus on multiple engagements on multiple targets.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for the informative reply. So to surmise - fair to say the missile was likely part of a swarm and skimmed the sea, and was likely engaged by CIWS not as a desperate last ditch attempt but because of a narrower engagement window due to the sea skimming nature of the missile which effectively removes layers of the AD onion?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That may be it but we're not being told by the US/CENTCOM exactly how many missiles were fired for obvious reasons. Also it probably was a last ditch attempt as the CIWS is short ranged, so by the time the missile got into range it was too late for anything else. The missile was shot down within a mile of the ship. If the missile was alone and got this close without being engaged by SM-2/SM-6 there will be hell to pay.

                You're still a homosexual from /misc/ btw and this doesn't make you any less likely to be banned. You're using all the wrong terms and it's kinda obvious you're talking out of your ass and trying to sound sincere.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks. That's right I do post on /misc/ and will continue to cross post. I've been here for a long fricking time, since OPpenheimer threads (you've never heard of that namegay because you haven't been here long enough to remember.)

                I guess by definition any shoot down with the CIWS is last ditch. I'd think even a sea skimmer would get picked up early if Aegis is around. Surprised they don't get picked up at launch tbh, but I suppose there's a distinction between detection and engagement window

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I talked with Oppenheimer and you're still a homosexual.

                "Aegis" is always around anon, it's the name of the combat architecture of the ship. As for why they're not picked up on launch, they probably were, but the ship may not have been capable of intercepting them for whatever reason. I dunno, this is all being kept secret for operational reasons I think. We'll find out in a few weeks.

                >be some swabby down below
                >VAMPIRE INBOUND
                >BRRRRRRRRRRRR
                >we're dead aren't we?

                I've heard it described the abandon ship alarm lmao. They must have been shitting themselves.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Time to get your card pulled homosexual. What kinds of topics did OPpenheimer used to post about?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nukes, likely strike plans, reactions, refurbishment of nukes, defenses against nukes, decoys, all sorts of shit. He was a great dude and it sucked that he got doxxed, I still remember the photo of his wife. He worked for IIRC a think tank or something. He even did stuff with CMANO once or twice.

                Now that your balloon has been deflated, I'm going to remind you that you're a /misc/ crossposter. There isn't a worse fate, I may be a disgusting dragon dildo owning homosexual but at least I don't post on /misc/.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Correct. Respect earned.

                I miss him 🙁

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do too anon. 🙁

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ditto.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do too anon. 🙁

                There are few left who remember.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't even know he'd been doxxed that's pretty sad. I never followed any of the other namegays on here like mcnig (although he seemed cool) but those OPpenheimer threads were some of the best threads I have ever seen on a chan, period.

                I will say the level of discussion in threads like this is extremely good too, as a layman who knows very little about this stuff it's impressive to see people who seem to have genuine and deep knowledge of Aegis and Naval AD go at it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He left BECAUSE he was doxxed. I believe he said as much, the poor quality of the board (note; this was in like 2015) was driving him away and the doxxing was the icing on the cake. Which I agree with. I swear I've seen him post in the years since though. His writing style is generic but the way he makes his points is kinda unique. I don't think he left I think he stopped using his trip and making nuclear threads that kinda center around him (not to say that's a bad thing).

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I don't even remember when things were on here it all blends together. They were right I'm here forever

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think it was more like 2018, but he was around more rarely the last few years. I remember that he stuck around long enough to skim over the first draft of the nu/k/e primer and proclaim it "not terrible", so I know he was still occasionally here at that point.

                I really miss the pre-social-media days, when nerdy folks could sit around and have long-form discussions on military topics. It feels sometimes like the character limit is just 144 and ad hominems are more prevalent than detailed explanations.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                me too, but sadly politics has, like everything else it touches, ruined much of the internet and jsut turned it into another propaganda production machine, the day I saw imgur turn into nothing but 24/7 political cartoons and actively remove porn was depressing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I could not possibly have said it better myself but then again I am guilty of the same - short low effort posts. It's them phones I tell ye

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well considering 90% of posters either dont care about other peoples opinions on a subject and are just here to tell you why your wrong and not actually discuss it, or are esl and can barely form a sentence, yeah its gonna be short.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Swedar

                I was gonna say that Openheimer was not that long ago, but 2018 was 6 years ago

                I came here around the time of Meplat and Trail snake, back when we had movie nights and we would post weird stuff to See who could guess what it was.

                Sometimes people would do giveaways of gear.

                The problem isn't people from pol posting, the problem is the ones posting low effort shit posts to get a quick dopamine Fix.

                Glad this missile got intercepted but eventually on a long enough timescale a ship will be sunk, we just have to prepare for it.

                While it can be seen as a failure that it got to CIWS range, we don't know what the circumstances where, maybe commercial ships provided radar shadow or maybe it was launched at a very short distance, regardless it's unlikely that it was just one missile.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but eventually on a long enough timescale a ship will be sunk, we just have to prepare for it
                Yeah no shit, thats the entire purpose of every defense and emergency system the US navy has, Im unsure as to why people are acting like a close call suddenly means they have never considered these things. Are you all jsut numb to the US raping the middle east so much that the idea that they may have also considered there more than moronic goat frickers alien to people?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Swedar

                I didn't mean to sound like it's some sudden realisation, first invasion of Iraq also had a close call and the Cole got a hole in 08 or whatever it was.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So...something ACTUALLY happened back then....and we patched the holes in our defenses to make sure it didn't again, if anything this has shown our defenses were improved enough to prevent another hit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >I've heard it described the abandon ship alarm lmao. They must have been shitting themselves.

                looks like if it was a double tap of subsonic skimmers one would have made it through. aew assets likely missed it, which is why it got through the layers. ship picked it up with its own radar, but by that time you're beyond standard missile and essm range.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you didn't want this to happen you shouldn't have spent all of 2023 spamming /k/ with pics of minefield casualties.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >pics
            there was only one pic

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ctrl+f
    >http
    >0/0

    why do you homosexuals hate posting sources?

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If SeaRAM is successful but just too expensive to use against cheap crappy enemy missiles.

    why not just make... smaller and cheaper versions of SeaRAM?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what if we took the rocket part out of them, made some sort of tubular container for their propellant, put that all in a tube with some sort of twisted grove (so it still spins) then launch all of these free-flight projectiles in sequence?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >CUDA/SACM/MSDM/Peregrine/MHTK announced years ago.
      >not a peep heard today

      i seriously think all these mini-missiles concepts are just vaporware bullshit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        """"Low cost""""" anything will never be taken seriously by the MIC and defense admin. Much better to have multiple million dollar interceptor contracts.

        Though, now that everyone and their moronic cousin have cheap attack/one way drones maybe things will change.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah why not strap a couple of American 180s on a CIWS?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lasers cannons are in development, and will alter the CIWS picture considerably. In addition to being able to hit anything within LOS with considerable accuracy, they're also dirt-cheap per "shot". It's taken a good 20 years longer than the military expected, but laser cannons are probably going to see action within the decade.

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Goalkeeper CIWS substantially better than Phalanx? Always wondered why the USN didn't go for the substantially bigger (domestic even) brrrrt, is it just harder to bolt on?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's heavier, and it doesn't substantially improve over what Phalanx can do. A missile can pass between 30mm max range and 20mm max range in a fraction of a second.

      57mm was supposed to be the new general-purpose solution, with enough of a range advantage over 20mm to matter, and the ability to be used as a (wimpy) main gun or as a secondary armament against speedboats. For some reason, however, 57mm CIWS options have never really gone anywhere, with the 57mm guns being removed from the ZumZums in favor of 30mm Bushmasters that are not capable of CIWS engagements and at least half the LCS flotilla never receiving a proper GFCS.

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >be some swabby down below
    >VAMPIRE INBOUND
    >BRRRRRRRRRRRR
    >we're dead aren't we?

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >anti-missile missile intercepts enemy missile
    >"lol, wasting a million dollar missile to take down a thousand dollar missile."

    >gun CIWS intercepts enemy missile
    >"lol, if the CIWS needed to be used, then Americans are in deep shit."

    I swear you can't win sometimes with these people.

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what about.... two-stage gyrojets for anti-missile defense?

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Equipment does its job as made and nothing happens
    >This is bad

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >close in weapon system shoots down missile about a mile away from the ship (it's going at like 550 mph)
      >this isn't a bad thing
      Motherfricker the bad thing is that it got that close.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anything to shit on America eh?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Low chance event happens
        >Equipment made to protect ship works
        >Nothing happens
        >This is bad

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I tell you I'm going to kill your family
          >you call the cops
          >the cops put a bunch of cop cars around your house and put surveillance on me
          >I somehow make it across 6 states, to your town, past all the cops, through your front door, up your stairs, up to your bedroom door before I'm shot by a cop eating donuts
          >this isn't bad

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that his a moronic metaphor man

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              did anyone die? No? you really need this to be a bad thing man, we get it

              So its a learning lesson for them, and proof their fail safe equipment works well.

              The missile was a mile from the ship and travelling at like 9 miles per minute.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did anyone die? did anything get destroyed?

                No?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's really deep in the onion, anon. The next layer would have involved casualties and international headlines. CIWS is *not* the preferred method for dealing with vampires.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So what your telling me is the multiple layers of defense for the ship still did their job in the end, in a rare event, something the still living service men of that ship and other can learn from?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                O.K., now that's *got* to be deliberately pedantic. Fine, I'll have a quiet chuckle and drop the topic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                My man you're acting like its a bg deal when its literally a rare event and NOTHING ACTUALLY HAPPENED. People get more alert again and nothing continues to happen while browns continue to fail, why do you need this "win" so badly?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >browns continue to fail
                Something tells me you know nothing about how a US warship's air defense system is supposed to operate and are in this specifically because you hate brown people. Or, perhaps, you're false flagging.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can you even actually explain how Im wrong or are you just going to go "lol ur wrong" ad infinitum and smug post for attention?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                These warships are networked so they can see everything in the area. They use early warning aircraft to spot missiles before they get close, preferably on launch. They have a variety of SAMs capable of intercepting these missiles. This missile went through all of those early warning networks and all of those SAMs and was only stopped by the CIWS, a bolt on radar guided 20mm cannon from the 70s.

                Either CENTCOM is not telling the whole story (there was more than one missile launched, someone fricked up, there's some reason for it getting so close) or it's a huge deal.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Or....1 missile got through and was dealt with by closer range equipment, and saying its from the 70's doesn't really mean much considering that equipment is still light years ahead of anything in play

                so again, nothing actually happened, and you desperately need it to be a huge problem because as always anything less than perfection for the US is DOOOOOOOM. and you sad Im being pedantic lamo

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                CIWS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE USED. HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED THIS SAID?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Then why does it exist? That's like saying a bullet proof vest shouldn't exist because perimeter walls exist.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're fricking dense. I'm done.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bye, glad you can finally see nothing happened :3

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forget it, Jake, he's trolling.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                why are you talking to yourself now? Can YOU explain why Im wrong?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            did anyone die? No? you really need this to be a bad thing man, we get it

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats like saying a bullet proof vest stopping a bullet is bad because their riot shield didnt stop one out of a thousand

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it's a fairly high chance event. subsonic skimmers need airborne assets to pick them up over the horizon so you can shoot missiles at them. there was a gap in aew.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So its a learning lesson for them, and proof their fail safe equipment works well.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              no one said ciws doesn't work, but it doesn't always work. if they launched two, that would have been a hit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok but they didnt.

                I only want you to understand that a 600knot missile is travelling a mile in 6 seconds, that 6 seconds is not enough time to fire an anti-missile, and the phalanx CIWS is more or less a 30% chance of failing.

                We almost lost a $400 million boat and hundreds of people.
                This war is real.

                Ok but we didnt, the system still worked.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >but I did eat breakfast

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Im not sure how turning to food analogies is supposed to strengthen your claims

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the ship wasn't hit
                >okay, but there was a 30% chance it could have been, and that's a bad thing
                >but it wasn't hit

                Imagine being such a smoothbrained NPC that you're unable to imagine an outcome different then what occurred. You are the same as the blackest gorilla Black who when asked how he would feel if he didn't eat breakfast is incapable of responding with he would be hungry.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why are you so focused on this? It didnt happen. Its al earning experience to make sure it doesn't happen again, whats the point of trying to monger for such a stupid event?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just gamble with a ship and it's crew, guys
                >it's just a learning experience

                To put it in perspective for your dumb ass, the odds of that missile hitting were better then you flipping two quarters and coming up with both heads. Do you think that's an acceptable amount of risk for a Navy ship to engage in on the regular?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >just gamble with a ship and it's crew, guys
                >it's just a learning experience

                To put it in perspective for your dumb ass, the odds of that missile hitting were better then you flipping two quarters and coming up with both heads. Do you think that's an acceptable amount of risk for a Navy ship to engage in on the regular?

                My man you are intent on acting like this has been a second Peral harbor for hours when at most its mildly embarrassing and something they need to be slightly more alert about the frick is wrong with you?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >everyone who's calling me a dumbass is the same person

                Answer the question. Is that an acceptable amount of risk for a Navy ship?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Considering the chances of it happening again and it happening in the first place are incredibly slim, yeah, apparently the Navy thought so, given this anons take

                >Ok but they didnt.
                the problem is that we have an idea that a lone ddg can't detect a sea skimmer on its own until basically too late. most of us kinda already knew this, but it's confirmation.

                meaning, peer opfor would have put that ddg in the locker, and against a peer opfor, aew will be even less effective.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So just to confirm. You think it's okay for the Navy have had a 30% chance to get hit by a missile? That's an acceptable amount of risk of losing crew members, money on repairs, and emboldening the durka durkas?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Sure, I mean you literally pulled that number right out of your ass so I'm not sure why you're so confident about it, why not just post another smug anime girl, claim superiority and go already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                30% is actually being generous if you look at CWIS rates historically, but you still haven't answered the question because you continue to cope. If you were on that ship, would you have been okay with a 30% chance of that missile hitting you? How about 15%? How about 5%? The answer to the question is you wouldn't be, and we shouldn't be asking sailors to do so since we're better then that. The fact that the CWIS had to engage the missile at all, instead of it being caught in a more reliable killchain further from the ship is a bad thing and either speaks to gross incompetence by the crew, unlikely since they knew they were in a war zone, or a flaw in the current USN approach to the Houthi chimpout, whether that's deploying lone DDGs without sufficient radar coverage or magazine depth or whatever caused the missile to get that close. The fact that you realize this is something that needs to be learned from means that you realize on a fundamental level that this is a BAD thing and needs to be improved upon to never happen again, but then you get your fricking brain twisted around the fact that people being unhappy with the USN performance in this situation might be something other then seething browns looking for a victory.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Jesus dude you've seriously convinced yourself this is a problem...while literally starting off by saying its a nothing burger, saying nothing here would have been more convincing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                If it's a nothingburger, then why would we learn from it and worry about it happening again? Nothing happened, right? We just have to keep getting lucky and trust the CWIS to never miss. It's amazing how someone with so little capacity for critical thought and introspection can breath and type on a keyboard, but I suppose you could just hold your breath while pecking at the keys.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So whos being pedantic again?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That was amazingly self defeating, contradicting yourself to start and showing you were greatly exaggerating is not the way you want to try to convince people of your point my dude. And the answer is still yes because it was a single event where in the end nothing actually happened, the system will chew out whoever fricked up and life moves on.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                So if it's not a bad thing, why is someone getting chewed out? I thought everything was fine, and so there's no blame to go around since nothing bad happened this time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ok well you've just given up now to be angry and sarcastic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm not the one who's so dumb as to misunderstand that historical CWIS is far below 70% interception success rate is what is being implied by that sentence, so either you're being willfully ignorant and I'm going to amuse myself by being spiteful in return, or you're so dumb that nothing I can say will change your mind and I'm going to amuse myself by being spiteful in return. The fact that you understand on a fundamental level that this is a bad thing when it doesn't mean admitting it, given how you talk about it as a learning experience and blame getting passed around, and then refuse to just get those words past your lips is fascinating and really shows why tourists like you need to get the frick off my website. No one is gonna know you were a dumb frick in any following thread given we're all anon, so the fact that you've got your ego so heavily invested in not losing that you can't even just slink off and feel the need to get the last word in is hilarious.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Nah

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                See you dont even actually have a point besides being right, even if its absolutely moronic ,you've seen one near hit and decided the world is ending, you've caught a doom spiral brain rot and you cant even comprehend that near misses can occur without the entire system being garbage. of course it wasnt good it happened you ducking moron, but being pedantic and screaming ITS OVER, at any single "not even an actual failure" is fricking just as stupid as not caring at all.

                I know this is PrepHole and being right is important but Jesus man talk about a frickigng stereotype, smug anime girl and all.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Point to where I say it's all rotten and the West has fallen. I've cited you talking around the fact it's a bad thing which should not be repeated, you should be able to do the same if you're not constructing a strawman of me. Meanwhile, I will continue to post smug anime girls because you have no argument and are simply coping while arguing with a ghost. The fact it seems to make you angry is a wonderful side benefit.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Your entire argument has been that. The very idea that the entire system isnt perfect and something like this could ever happen means its fricked has been what your tryign to tell me and is an idea so utterly fricking detached form reality Im not sure how you haven't realized by this point you aren't going to convince me of anything with it. You've apparently decided that a single event means it's going to happen so many more times and everything is jover, or at least have some how managed to misrepresent yourself to seem like you think thats the case where I;ve just been saying given NOTHING HAPPENED IN THE FRICKIGN END, that things will be reconsidered, people will be more focused and some asses will get chewed out. Ill never understand how people seem to revel in their inability to convince people of their point.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ill never understand how people seem to revel in their inability to convince people of their point.
                welcome to the internet

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Cite the fricking post. I said it's unacceptable risk, because it is, and the fact that you think things will change in the future to prevent this from ever happening again means that you know in your heart of hearts that it's an unacceptable risk as well, it would just mean admitting that you were WRONG ON THE INTERNET and I'm clearly not going to be able to convince you to uninvest your ego and admit that you were wrong, so the best I can do is clown on you to make it clear to everyone who reads this that you're a knuckle dragging ape. The fact that the CWIS had to save the day is great that it succeeded, but the system failed at some point that allowed this to happen and that needs to be identified, corrected, and learned from. The fact that you refer to it as a near miss is particularly ironic, given what a near miss means in the context of safety systems, especially the military where it means a complete stop of action and re-examination of safety protocols to ensure that the conditions that lead to the near miss don't occur in the future.

                Was it a saturation attack that the ship didn't have the magazine depth to defend against? Intel should have been more on the ball to identify assets being grouped and readied for the strike, and maybe the policy of having lone DDGs instead of pairs needs to be changed. Was it a single missile that managed to avoid radar detection until the last moment? The Navy needs to do a better job at looking for threats then, whether that's a constant AWACS presence off of one of the local carriers or even just relying on the integrated helicopter to raise the detection horizon. Was it Muslim space magic? Then we need to counter it with israeli physics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ill never understand how people seem to revel in their inability to convince people of their point.
                So is repeating yourself when I've told you your point isnt convincing and you've openly stated to just essentially trolling now supposed to convince me this time?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This level of posting quality can get you banned btw.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Why the frick should I care, this is PrepHole. OH NO PLEASE DONT REPORT ME, for frick sake dude, get some perspective.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >i don't care about the culture of the board or what i'm contributing i just want to shitpost
                This is also bannable I'm pretty sure. /k/ really should be on PrepHoleplus.com or something to denote that it's an entirely different place to PrepHole or wherever the frick you hail from.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The sad part is Im genuinely unsure if your serious or not and your lack of understanding of how little bans have ever meant here.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Calling an idiot an idiot isn't a trolling, and I'm continually impressed by your ability to fail to comprehend fairly plain English. I told you why I'm going to continue to clown on you as long as you fail to present an argument, and you still haven't been able to cite the post where I claimed the entire system is rotten so if you want to start claiming trolls, the one who's intentionally misrepresenting my argument instead of addressing the points is quite the glass house to be throwing stones from.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ill never understand how people seem to revel in their inability to convince people of their point.
                So is repeating yourself when I've told you your point isnt convincing and you've openly stated to just essentially trolling now supposed to convince me this time?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >unironically mindbroken

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bans on PrepHole mean someone got salty that you called their anime waifu a prostitute, bans here generally mean that you're being a fricking idiot that nobody wants to talk to. Believe it or not I have less than 10 bans in more than a decade of posting on this shithole.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Am I supposed to be impressed? Again, get some perspective and remember where you are.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                There's no perspective to be obtained here anon, you're a fricking idiot who can't comprehend something as simple as a CIWS system not being supposed to be used even when he had like 5 tries.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao imagine having an ego about PrepHole, Christ almighty

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ego
                Again you're the one who can't understand what a CIWS does.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What happened to all that talk about bans homie? realize I didnt care? We gonna just keep trying to get the last word in now?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did you think I was threatening you with a ban? I was saying that your posting quality is so low it warrants being banned, ie you need to actually start posting well. This place has always been self moderating to a degree, I know the shithole you're from wasn't but please understand.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh god are you gonna start going on about reddit or something now, frick me.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude you tried to act like not getting banned means anything here and subtly flex being an old gay, that's fricking embarrassing

                >it's a bad thing that you don't get banned every 3 hours
                Maybe your posts are just shit?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                at least the other guy was trying to make a point , you're just trying to flex your good boy points on fricking PrepHole of all places, whats your objective here? This a humiliation thing?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                dude you tried to act like not getting banned means anything here and subtly flex being an old gay, that's fricking embarrassing

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Look dude you gave up ages ago trying to rationally convey anything and are just smug posting, why should I take you seriously?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And you started arguing with a strawmen instead of me because it's the only way you were gonna win, so I'm going to go to bed knowing that I made someone so mad about their own stupidity.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lmao I love when people declare they're leaving here, you know they just sit there waiting for the thread to die for a reply

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh god are you just gonna claim victory because you were having a conversation with one guy instead of being called moron by a group of people?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ok but they didnt.
                the problem is that we have an idea that a lone ddg can't detect a sea skimmer on its own until basically too late. most of us kinda already knew this, but it's confirmation.

                meaning, peer opfor would have put that ddg in the locker, and against a peer opfor, aew will be even less effective.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                yes we have an idea. One event occurred. unless it repeats its not the end of the world, its an error.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I only want you to understand that a 600knot missile is travelling a mile in 6 seconds, that 6 seconds is not enough time to fire an anti-missile, and the phalanx CIWS is more or less a 30% chance of failing.

          We almost lost a $400 million boat and hundreds of people.
          This war is real.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To be fair, I doubt a single missile would sink the ship and kill everyone aboard, but it would certainly mission kill it for the time being, inflict casualties, and require enough repairs that it might be a write off.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Its just scare mongering, if anything its just made the morons on the ships go into higher alert because of a close call.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most likely this was a C802. Its a bit strange the Houthis would use their first tier (ballistic) weapons first then back to the C802s later. Could be an internal issue, at least part of the ballistic forces are new and naturally more aligned with Iran, the 802 guys are remnant Yemeni military who might be less keen to get started.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iran has to smuggle everything to them. They're probably using whatever they have up and running on any given day rather than trying to pull off sophisticated missile traps.

      And if they *are* starting to use complex attacks, then there's a good chance they have senior "advisors" on the ground to organize them.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so who knew saturation attacks do work...so the houthis now understand that they need to up the game by a third

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