This. It wasn't an ICBM. If Israel can take out ICBMs, we might as well bow down and accept their superiority. Still a very good interception for Arrow 3.
>They may be rendered almost useless very soon
Ayylmaos have been able to just turn them off for more than half a century.
You think the US and Soviets would just ban nuclear testing for no reason?
>no reason
Nuclear explosions can be easily detected, even if underground. So, by banning tests, you either have 'em and have shown it, or you become a pariah even trying to
>back in 2004
I remember a supply ship in '96 networking 3 286 PCs and targeting a satellite from their ship south Pacific just because they were bored. Nobody can touch us.
What would the networking 3 PCs do? You only need 1 to do the math. You get element sets from elsewhere. You certainly would not be drawing pretty pictures with a 286 with no mentioned video card, that would have been a Silicon Graphics machine in those days.
China shot down a satellite with degrading orbit quite a few years back, as well. I remember them spamming >IMPLESSIVE
wherever they could, and the US scolding them because they effectively just mate the orbiting junk cloud a lot worse and even more random instead of letting the thing burn up in atmosphere because they wanted to make a show of it.
It was an Arrow-2, and it wasn't in space. Stop getting your facts from a fucking woman journalist that wouldn't know the difference between a bottle rocket and an ICBM.
Fucking retards. No one is doing it because the risk of debris interfering with or harming satellites or space launches is huge. Even at the lowest part of "space" shit can be blown into higher orbiting objects.
No retard, a complete orbit can't be supplied without constant acceleration you just end up with a parabolic arc no matter how big it gets (within reason, obviously at some point you are out of the influence entirely but that is beyond this scope)
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Anyway the idea that any country would welcome ballistic threats just for fear of interactions with sats is beyond retarded. This sounds like a thirdy cope excuse for lacking the capability more than anything.
Space != orbit, space is arbitrarily defined by altitude, it isn't relevant to the question of what constitutes a threat. Knocking out a balloon at 100km would get news for being a le heckin space shoot down.
No retard, a complete orbit can't be supplied without constant acceleration you just end up with a parabolic arc no matter how big it gets (within reason, obviously at some point you are out of the influence entirely but that is beyond this scope)
Fucking retards. No one is doing it because the risk of debris interfering with or harming satellites or space launches is huge. Even at the lowest part of "space" shit can be blown into higher orbiting objects.
Anyway the idea that any country would welcome ballistic threats just for fear of interactions with sats is beyond retarded. This sounds like a thirdy cope excuse for lacking the capability more than anything.
You are already in orbit. You have the acceleration already.
You fuckers have shifted the discussion from shooting down something that is in space to not being able to get to space.
>You are already in orbit. You have the acceleration already. >/k/ retard continues to be completely oblivious to principles of orbital mechanics
This is worse than endless eight.
You can. Just shoot it sideways above let's say 40000mph with the rotation of the earth. The earth rotates, rotates around the sun etc. Probably get use the moon a little but you could get in orbit then stay above drag for a while.
Kerbals man great game
Now that's a completely fictional and irrelevant scenario, but you're still not getting into orbit with a single jolt of acceleration.
A gravity assist from the moon near your apogee would be the second source of acceleration that pulls your perigee up.
Yeah you would use the moon, earths spinning and some other slight gravities to level your orbit post shot.
There is no 0 to 100 gs instantly. Time exists. 5 seconds to 50 you can get into orbit just by aiming right. There is no escape altitude just escape velocity. I can't tell if you are baiting me or it's confusion
I love these little magical fuckers like you wouldn't believe.
Also >it's like all the thirdie shills just want to pretend Brilliant Pebbles didn't happen
They're not pretending, most thirdies have zero fucking clue what Brilliant Pebbles was, nor do most of them understand that EKVs are and have been a thing we pioneered for a few decades now.
To most of them, the science behind it is pure fucking sorcery and impossible, therefore there's no way the US - which spends almost a trillion dollars a year on mil shit and is a leader in tech development - could possibly have it or do it.
When you realize they quite literally do not understand and are incapable of understanding how outclassed they are, the copes become quaint and funny.
>When you realize they quite literally do not understand and are incapable of understanding how outclassed they are, the copes become quaint and funny.
I never looked at it this way. That's indeed funny, thank you anon
>Brilliant Pebbles exists
Yeah, sure, US has a constellation bigger than Starlink up there that nobody knows about. >>>/x/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnofCyaWhI0&t
I love these little magical fuckers like you wouldn't believe.
Also >it's like all the thirdie shills just want to pretend Brilliant Pebbles didn't happen
They're not pretending, most thirdies have zero fucking clue what Brilliant Pebbles was, nor do most of them understand that EKVs are and have been a thing we pioneered for a few decades now.
To most of them, the science behind it is pure fucking sorcery and impossible, therefore there's no way the US - which spends almost a trillion dollars a year on mil shit and is a leader in tech development - could possibly have it or do it.
When you realize they quite literally do not understand and are incapable of understanding how outclassed they are, the copes become quaint and funny.
>magical fuckers
Bruh
It's just a small spacecraft firing its attitude control thrusters. Moon landing era tech. We tested that tech on Earth gravity too, and even did simulated moon gravity for the lander trainer--far more impressive engineering feat than those toys.
>Moon landing era tech.
I'm well aware. They're magical because most normalfags and thirdies see them as whimsical ass literal space sorcery, and it's exceedingly enjoyable.
to all the retard norocketz itt, when you try to enter orbit with no acceleration in later stages the gravity of the planet will bring you back exactly to the point of origin (ignoring air resistance, collision with the surface or reaching escape velocity at which point) without fail. The only way to elevate your perigee is to burn sideways at the desired height. This is why rockets change their bearing while they climb
No no . You said with a single shot. Here proof it did happen with Osiris they briefly touched down on the asteroid grabbed some stuff. Tilted at a slight angle and burned off at escape velocity aimed at earth
Same principle with earth and the moon. With a single shot from earth.
But you could use things spinning and draft plus boost to get a solid orbit.
Oops here's your proof
Btw the moon... For anyone unaware orbits the earth...
I'm this anon
so when a ballistic missile explodes at a given height the fragments will either return to that height and burn up or go into the outer space
to all the retard norocketz itt, when you try to enter orbit with no acceleration in later stages the gravity of the planet will bring you back exactly to the point of origin (ignoring air resistance, collision with the surface or reaching escape velocity at which point) without fail. The only way to elevate your perigee is to burn sideways at the desired height. This is why rockets change their bearing while they climb
you can't get into orbit with a single jolt of acceleration, at worst it will complete one orbit and fall back to the point of origin
, you're talking to the other orbital mechanics knower. That being said this is what we're fucking arguing, you need at least one instance of acceleration beyond the initial trip to space
1. None of is using a single impulse of acceleration ala an impact, which was the topic of discussion
2. Asteroids typically have small zones of influence so it's much more feasible to escape with a single impulse than a planet
3. While at some point in power or confounding circumstance, a single impact can lead to an orbit, this is not relevant to the relative energy levels of a ballistic intercept, nor does it pose a threat to satellites (the point in contention) because the resulting orbit is either capture into a complete new sphere of influence or at best very wonky.
also escaping the sphere of influence of one planetary body by falling into another one doesn't count for discussion of LEO debris dynamics, I'm not sure why I'm having to point this out
When a ballistic missile explodes at any point during its trajectory, the fragments will fall back towards Earth.
They won't reach escape velocity. Not even orbital velocity.
Take a moment to consider that the detonation velocities of explosives like TNT are lower than low Earth orbital velocity.
Even if the velocity of a raw detonation was perfectly transferred to the fragments, ignoring mass/inertia completely and assuming a perfect velocity vector, it still wouldn't be enough.
well yeah, but my point was that even if the debris shot out at light speed it wouldn't enter orbit. You either burn up in the atmosphere or shoot out of the sphere of influence, there's no inbetween
That's right.
Though in practice, with the energies and trajectories involved in potential in-space ICBM shootdowns, nothing's leaving Earth's gravity well.
ICBMisters... It's over
Technically it was a mid range ballistic missile
it would have been had they launched it from the other side of the red sea.
A mid-range-missile or a mid range-missile?
This. It wasn't an ICBM. If Israel can take out ICBMs, we might as well bow down and accept their superiority. Still a very good interception for Arrow 3.
It was also launched by the Houthi so i doubt it was very good.
you are a retarded turd
Clock is ticking on effectiveness of nuke tipped ballistic missiles. They may be rendered almost useless very soon
>They may be rendered almost useless very soon
Ayylmaos have been able to just turn them off for more than half a century.
You think the US and Soviets would just ban nuclear testing for no reason?
What does that have to do with what I posted. Your imaginary friends’ capabilities don’t mean anything regarding the capabilities of actual states
>What does that have to do with what I posted.
Nuclear weapons are already useless.
Go back to /x/, one of these days you will succeed at /suc/ I guess.
>no reason
Nuclear explosions can be easily detected, even if underground. So, by banning tests, you either have 'em and have shown it, or you become a pariah even trying to
More like trying to set off a nuke in open air gets your shit shut off by the space cops. Gotta hide underground and hope they don't find out.
>hide underground and hope they don't find out
Have you ever heard of seismic sensors?
Yeah, that's how I met your mom
I meant find out before the test. Hard to turn a nuke off after it detonates.
>>>/x/
>"rocket" in the twitter user's own source
>nafo tranny
The US did this in testing back in 2004.
>back in 2004
I remember a supply ship in '96 networking 3 286 PCs and targeting a satellite from their ship south Pacific just because they were bored. Nobody can touch us.
What would the networking 3 PCs do? You only need 1 to do the math. You get element sets from elsewhere. You certainly would not be drawing pretty pictures with a 286 with no mentioned video card, that would have been a Silicon Graphics machine in those days.
China shot down a satellite with degrading orbit quite a few years back, as well. I remember them spamming
>IMPLESSIVE
wherever they could, and the US scolding them because they effectively just mate the orbiting junk cloud a lot worse and even more random instead of letting the thing burn up in atmosphere because they wanted to make a show of it.
although laboratory conditions are quite the different reality from battlefield conditions.
It was an Arrow-2, and it wasn't in space. Stop getting your facts from a fucking woman journalist that wouldn't know the difference between a bottle rocket and an ICBM.
no they didnt. there's literally no evidence for that. motherfucking news making shit up.
should be the first post. jannies should delete this bait thread. hr should fire the writer and editor.
Fucking retards. No one is doing it because the risk of debris interfering with or harming satellites or space launches is huge. Even at the lowest part of "space" shit can be blown into higher orbiting objects.
you can't get into orbit with a single jolt of acceleration, at worst it will complete one orbit and fall back to the point of origin
You can when shit blows up into a million pieces in every direction at a high altitude that has much much less air resistance.
>/k/ retard is completely oblivious to principles of orbital mechanics
I've already seen this episode.
You are an idiot but I want to see your orbital mechanics genius at work.
How does exploding two rockets in space not pose a danger to low orbits?
NTA but I explained it for you here, retard
Space != orbit, space is arbitrarily defined by altitude, it isn't relevant to the question of what constitutes a threat. Knocking out a balloon at 100km would get news for being a le heckin space shoot down.
No retard, a complete orbit can't be supplied without constant acceleration you just end up with a parabolic arc no matter how big it gets (within reason, obviously at some point you are out of the influence entirely but that is beyond this scope)
Anyway the idea that any country would welcome ballistic threats just for fear of interactions with sats is beyond retarded. This sounds like a thirdy cope excuse for lacking the capability more than anything.
You are already in orbit. You have the acceleration already.
You fuckers have shifted the discussion from shooting down something that is in space to not being able to get to space.
>You are already in orbit. You have the acceleration already.
>/k/ retard continues to be completely oblivious to principles of orbital mechanics
This is worse than endless eight.
>You are already in orbit
>tfw orbital ballistic missile
>forever alone.jpg
You can. Just shoot it sideways above let's say 40000mph with the rotation of the earth. The earth rotates, rotates around the sun etc. Probably get use the moon a little but you could get in orbit then stay above drag for a while.
Kerbals man great game
Look at this shit.
Wtf!
Now that's a completely fictional and irrelevant scenario, but you're still not getting into orbit with a single jolt of acceleration.
A gravity assist from the moon near your apogee would be the second source of acceleration that pulls your perigee up.
Yeah you would use the moon, earths spinning and some other slight gravities to level your orbit post shot.
There is no 0 to 100 gs instantly. Time exists. 5 seconds to 50 you can get into orbit just by aiming right. There is no escape altitude just escape velocity. I can't tell if you are baiting me or it's confusion
>come in to disagree
>end up agreeing anyway
>I'M CONFUSED I'M BEING BAITED HELP
That's a lot of stupid
autism is one helluva drug
just filter him and this whole replychain
cleans up the thread nicely
So what is going to be the next thirdie cope now?
it's like all the thirdie shills just want to pretend Brilliant Pebbles didn't happen
I love these little magical fuckers like you wouldn't believe.
Also
>it's like all the thirdie shills just want to pretend Brilliant Pebbles didn't happen
They're not pretending, most thirdies have zero fucking clue what Brilliant Pebbles was, nor do most of them understand that EKVs are and have been a thing we pioneered for a few decades now.
To most of them, the science behind it is pure fucking sorcery and impossible, therefore there's no way the US - which spends almost a trillion dollars a year on mil shit and is a leader in tech development - could possibly have it or do it.
When you realize they quite literally do not understand and are incapable of understanding how outclassed they are, the copes become quaint and funny.
>When you realize they quite literally do not understand and are incapable of understanding how outclassed they are, the copes become quaint and funny.
I never looked at it this way. That's indeed funny, thank you anon
>Brilliant Pebbles exists
Yeah, sure, US has a constellation bigger than Starlink up there that nobody knows about. >>>/x/
>magical fuckers
Bruh
It's just a small spacecraft firing its attitude control thrusters. Moon landing era tech. We tested that tech on Earth gravity too, and even did simulated moon gravity for the lander trainer--far more impressive engineering feat than those toys.
>Moon landing era tech.
I'm well aware. They're magical because most normalfags and thirdies see them as whimsical ass literal space sorcery, and it's exceedingly enjoyable.
to all the retard norocketz itt, when you try to enter orbit with no acceleration in later stages the gravity of the planet will bring you back exactly to the point of origin (ignoring air resistance, collision with the surface or reaching escape velocity at which point) without fail. The only way to elevate your perigee is to burn sideways at the desired height. This is why rockets change their bearing while they climb
No no . You said with a single shot. Here proof it did happen with Osiris they briefly touched down on the asteroid grabbed some stuff. Tilted at a slight angle and burned off at escape velocity aimed at earth
Same principle with earth and the moon. With a single shot from earth.
But you could use things spinning and draft plus boost to get a solid orbit.
Oops here's your proof
Btw the moon... For anyone unaware orbits the earth...
The moon orbits the earth*
I'm this anon
, you're talking to the other orbital mechanics knower. That being said this is what we're fucking arguing, you need at least one instance of acceleration beyond the initial trip to space
Say it
The moon orbits the earth
yes it does, I'm not sure why you're so autistically focused on that fact though
1. None of is using a single impulse of acceleration ala an impact, which was the topic of discussion
2. Asteroids typically have small zones of influence so it's much more feasible to escape with a single impulse than a planet
3. While at some point in power or confounding circumstance, a single impact can lead to an orbit, this is not relevant to the relative energy levels of a ballistic intercept, nor does it pose a threat to satellites (the point in contention) because the resulting orbit is either capture into a complete new sphere of influence or at best very wonky.
Say it
The moon orbits the earth
Dats right baby
Read my post.
also escaping the sphere of influence of one planetary body by falling into another one doesn't count for discussion of LEO debris dynamics, I'm not sure why I'm having to point this out
so when a ballistic missile explodes at a given height the fragments will either return to that height and burn up or go into the outer space
When a ballistic missile explodes at any point during its trajectory, the fragments will fall back towards Earth.
They won't reach escape velocity. Not even orbital velocity.
Take a moment to consider that the detonation velocities of explosives like TNT are lower than low Earth orbital velocity.
Even if the velocity of a raw detonation was perfectly transferred to the fragments, ignoring mass/inertia completely and assuming a perfect velocity vector, it still wouldn't be enough.
well yeah, but my point was that even if the debris shot out at light speed it wouldn't enter orbit. You either burn up in the atmosphere or shoot out of the sphere of influence, there's no inbetween
That's right.
Though in practice, with the energies and trajectories involved in potential in-space ICBM shootdowns, nothing's leaving Earth's gravity well.
can the autistic offtopic gif spammer fuck off
thanks
Say it
The moon orbits the earth
>israel awesome; we can knock missiles out of flight
rest of world "can i see it"
>no!
the IDF posted a video but it wasnt in space, it was in the atmosphere. the author doesnt know what they're talking about.