fictional militaries

>authoritarian mega state with full control of the population
>lets its elite stormtroopers go wherever they please in their own personal destroyer even if it compromises a mayor operation
>let them play with ordinance that would make your average marine calling a hellfire on some goats blush

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HD2 is all about the illusion of control. You cant go "anywhere", only to planets authorized by Super Earth Government. The ships are the actual damage dealers, you are dropped in as a bipedal meat drone to call in strikes on enemy territory.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is just starship troopers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's Starship Troopers made by people who thought Starship Troopers was too subtle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Based. Im tired of subtlety of nuance. Just enthusiastically tell me a story

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, put a chick in it and make her gay and lame

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              this but make her gay and hot

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Women are for breeding
                Most lesbians abuse each other
                Most lesbians were abused as children
                Most lesbians go back to fricking men exclusively within five years of coming out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That’s one thing I’ve noticed is that homosexuality for women is usually a cope, whereas for men is a malfunction of brain chemistry and hormones

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                A woman's life is a collection of things she thinks make her interesting. For some homosexuality is one of those things.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Lesbians don’t exist

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's Starship Troopers made by people who thought Starship Troopers was too subtle

        Starship troopers was a failed parody that ended up never pointing out a single problem with the system it was lampooning, and actually REMOVED problems from the original text, which the director never read
        >B-B-BUH LE NAZI HAT!!! LE HAT!!!!

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >i go into every starship troopers thread to correct the record

          why

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            NTA, but i applaud his efforts. Heinlein deserved better than the movie thats watchable only because verhoeven failed at his stated goal.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              It's kinda bizarre that he's capable of making great movies like Robocop, when his attempts at satire still fall flat. I mean, the movies are entertaining, but don't actually satirize anything real, while ignoring the actual problems worth satirizing.
              Robocop is still great though, and Starship Troopers is entertaining. However, they often end up making the target of their satire look cool or appealing in some way.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >However, they often end up making the target of their satire look cool or appealing in some way.

                It's a personal cope for the director to work with that type of material. Same thing with Scorsese and all of his gangster/criminal films.

                >I'm going to depict a criminal's lifestyle
                >I'm going to glorify them
                >They are going to get a lot of pussy and money for their efforts
                >Their punishment afterwards doesn't seem nearly as bad as all the fricked up shit depicted
                >I'll call this penance and throw a disclaimer in some interview about it being a cautionary tale

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I'll agree that Starship Troopers missed the mark of its satire, but Robocop was right on the money. You're supposed to think Murphy is cool, because he's the hero that didn't lose his humanity even though he became a commercial product. The rest of society, the nuke factory, the ads, the OCP suits, Boddicker's goon squad, are all hyper antiseptic and inhuman, or repulsively violent and sexually debauched. Very 80s, in the worst ways.

                OK, maybe ED-209 was great, but that's it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >they often end up making the target of their satire look cool or appealing in some way
                I'll refer to the old "even anti-war movies glorify war" adage.
                In the case of satire I actually think that you can make the thing you are criticizing look cool, because something worth criticizing has an appeal. You'd want to draw people in and let them figure out that you're spelling out the problems with the thing they find cool.
                The problem with the movie Starship Troopers is that it's cool in an unironic and post-ironic way.
                If you are a fascist/authoritarian you can outright claim that despite the tee-hee moments meant to take a jab at the ideology, the fictional society in the Verhoeven motion picture is better than we have in real life.
                If you want to be post-ironic about it, you go "I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill them all" because as a satire ST barely works - there's a hint of gender and racial equality, people can be free and wealthy without even getting full citizenship, etc so it's not even a fascist society.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ...because you are watching a propaganda movie made by the regime. So they actively try to portrait themselves in the best way possible, which is why you have such soap opera tier actors, flat TV studio lighting and ad breaks mid movie. Let's not even forget the nonsensical story (bugs send a meteor from the opposite end of the galaxy at sublight speed and hit earth with pinpoint precision) to give the earth justification for invading.

          The fricked up things show themselves by virtue of the things the regime is willing to show because they don't see it worth hiding like child soldiers at the very end after the captured the brain bug, which likely means that outside of the "propaganda movie you are currently watching" children are likely currently being conscripted en masse or the regime just wants to make the population comfortable with the idea of sending kids into the meatgrinder.

          This is on top of all the elders being disabled in some way, breeding permissions being required, torture being normalized for soldiers even if mistakes are the fault of superiors (demanding top times in training while ALSO demanding utmost caution resulting in general lack of care).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >...because you are watching a propaganda movie made by the regime
            Oh lord of all the tired, homosexualy pathetic post hoc copes that we have to roll out in every fricking thread, only to be completely destroyed in every fricking thread, this has got to be the gayest and the most desperate.

            When you were deciding which one to post from the list, did you flip a coin between this and "The asteroid was actually fake"?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >because you are watching a propaganda movie made by the regime.
            This post has to be satire.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Redditors who worship edgy “satire” like Robocop and Starship troopers are usually VERY autistic and take their headcanon very seriously. The post is probably completely serious

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >(bugs send a meteor from the opposite end of the galaxy at sublight speed and hit earth with pinpoint precision)
            The book was written in the 50s. We didn't know how hard space travel would be at that point nor the scale of the universe.

            Using 2024 information to recontextualize on a fiction written 70 years ago doesn't make sense.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              I don't think he was talking about the book. In the book, the attack was real. In the movie, it's neither confirmed nor denied, though people like to make up their own assumptions, even without evidence.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                In the movie the attack is hinted as real, with Carmen having to avoid the asteroid while deploying to the planet, but being unable to report it due to antennas being removed while evading.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Well, the asteroid is real, but the argument people make is that it was a falseflag.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That's more far fetched than the "it was the bugs" option.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know why anyone bothers with the asteroid one way or another since it really doesn't matter. The book is an excuse for Heinlein to talk about his politics at the time and for that matter so is the movie. The difference is that Heinlein thinks his ideas are awesome while the filmmakers think his ideas are crap. For example, the book extols military service as this great and noble thing. The movie has characters that also say that but then shows them as maimed to undermine what they're saying. It's all pretty straightforward.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Heinlein doesn't think his ideas are "super awesome and everything works flawlessly" he just believed it was a necessary course of action for a new age of competitive expansionism. In the Starship troopers lore the earth is at 16billion, and all under one government. Absolutely nothing would get done if everyone had an equal say trying to cater to their own unique desires. And the way things are going now, we'll be double that before we make a settlement on mars

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Heinlein doesn't think his ideas are "super awesome and everything works flawlessly" he just believed it was a necessary course of action for a new age of competitive expansionism.
                Ah yes, the "some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make route". How very noble of him. He doesn't think it's great so he wrote a whole book trying to justify it?

                > In the Starship troopers lore the earth is at 16billion, and all under one government. Absolutely nothing would get done if everyone had an equal say trying to cater to their own unique desires. And the way things are going now, we'll be double that before we make a settlement on mars
                Ah yes. First make up a scenario in your head and then use said scenario to justify some absurd ideology all the while hyperventilating about how "we must do it to survive!!!".

                Look, the mystery behind this book is to stupid and so simple. It was the Cold War. He was afraid of commies. The book was published in 1959 right around the time the second Red Scare ended. I get it, he was afraid, he panicked, so he wrote a call to arms kind of book. You should in fact actually go read it. It's like reading the ranting of someone from Fox News.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Boy, you're a sad sack of shit, aren't you?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Not nearly as sad as the reply you managed to muster up

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your whole post is just you projecting and showing what an incredibly simplistic, cowardly mindset you have, while also making it very obvious where you stand and how ridiculously shallow you are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And yours don't extend past petty name calling which shows the caliber of person you are .

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Boys, we got a live Librul here.
                Way to distort the message.

                >he panicked
                He was angry that we didn't nuke the ChiComs.

                You are definitely in agreement with Verhoeven on this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if u disagree with heinlan ur a librul

                how profound

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You trying to take an admittance of compromises as some sort of lethal flaw speaks volumes on your own belief's

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >he doesn't think his own ideology is sunshine and rainbows and that's le bad
                >it was all cold war fear mongering bro!
                Ah yes, because it was the unilateral dismantling of Western defense and intelligence agencies that dettered Communist expansion, how observant of you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >being this dishonest
                My guy, Heinlein isn't like "we need a military". If he stopped there, the book would be even more boring than it already is. No he's like
                >only veterans get to vote and this will create a perfect society
                >society fell apart and crime because rampant because people stopped beating their kids. This is followed by comparing people to dogs.
                And so on down the line. The absolute funniest thing is how he straight up mocks the notion of human rights and adopts a might makes right kind of mindset. The book is so full of stupid shit like this.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >my guy
                Stopped reading, I learned everything I need to know about you

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >my guy
                >bro
                >bruh
                >buddy
                Hello my fellow gun owners, and generalized weapon enthusiasts,
                I would like to express my concern over gun violence in NY & CA. I believe we are all safer when only the Police & Military are allowed to carry, and only in emergency situatuons.
                Keep guns off our streets. Enough is enough!

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It is pretty funny. Its definitely a nifty little clifnote to tell me nothing say has value

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Human rights don't exist

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's fine if you think that. However you can't really present yourself as some kind of libertarian like Heinlein does. Might makes right is the doctrine of some other people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >human rights
                >libertarian
                HUH????

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes anon, Libertarians believe there are natural rights and the government isn't allowed to infringe on them. You know, life, liberty, property...

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Libertarians are unempathetic soulless cretins that would sell heroin to a toddler if you let them

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Libertarians will have you die in small groups that will get overrun by modern armies? That is the dumbest shit i've ever heard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know how to address whatever hallucination caused you to type that out.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                what?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >heinlein
                >libertarian

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Heinlein had the right idea about citizen militias. I never thought we'd need a full conscription. Unless our entire lives were threatened. And then it'd not be optional.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                People have binary brains, light switch brains, sports fan brains.
                It's like you have to sneak decent ideas into people's heads, lest they link it up to some other sports team they hate. At which point they ree and screech and go back to being fatties.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The trick to convincing people of absolutely anything is to make them believe they thought it themselves. All you need is time and enough breadcrumbs before they're hooked. This is why watching a conspiracy theory video, no matter how moronic, for a long enough period of time starts to male sense. Your brain intuitively starts connecting dots that werent there to begin with.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I live in a country where every man and almost all children get to acclimate themselves to transport vehicles, shoot rifles and witness what 155mm does to enemy.

                Do you feel you want more time in Hamas schools?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are exactly a glove that a Communist from back in that day would wear, to facilitate infiltration.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever read the book? Its really more of a war diary and a Vet's opinion on what a more ideal gov would look like. Rico in the books is a ground pounder who turns lifer and follows his experiences with that. The most political section of the book is his training camp where he discusses how the Camp ends up taking possession of an AWOL soldier who killed a teen. In civilian life he would have went to prison for rehab, but because he never terminated his contract (and even tho the MI never tracks or actively tries to capture AWOLers) the MI takes him back and gives the grunts a show of.his execution. Rico then states why: MI always takes care of their own and cleans up their messes. Very little of the book is supportive of authoritarianism, it merely reflects on military culture and what a Vet views as competency from leadership.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ST is also more about involving the whole of society into the defense of the nation. Very much not loved after ww2 sadly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The most political section of the book is his training camp where he discusses how the Camp ends up taking possession of an AWOL soldier who killed a teen.
                The most political section are the lectures by Dubois. The main character is literally being lectured to in class. It's actually surprising it went over your head.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Dubois is political in that you hear his thoughts, but its hardly a pro political scene. Rico literally reflects that he didn't understand it during. At no point is Dubois seen as the only answer. Ricos political awakening is much more regarding the machine he's in. Anyone who claims ST troopers went over anyone's head is a moron. Its a very clear and easy read.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He wrote a whole book about a man from mars who has lots of sex and founds a religion based on this, and it turns out to be the one true religion… it’s a work of FICTION my moronic shitlib friend

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Heinlein was all about gearing the whole society back into war footing... or did i misread starship troopers?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He was about pushing the PLA out of the Korean peninsula.
                I've no definite idea, what degree of further engagement that would've involved, no.
                ST was hyperbole. Posit something extreme to nudge the imagination or discussion in that direction, knowing it will never actually get to that point irl.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The society presented in troopers was, in war footing while not a caricature imho. Just one that makes media look bad.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Heinlein wrote speculative fiction about things that were interesting to him. The closest he ever came to endorsing anything politically was in The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress. The political systems in Stranger in a Strange Land, Starship Troopers, or Time Enough For Love are just thought experiments.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Heinlein doesn't think his ideas are "super awesome and everything works flawlessly"
                He did a very poor job of conveying that, then, since the book only mentions in passing war crimes at the opening and ends with Rico's dad breaking down about how he was a little b***h lacking in manhood that didn't deserve anything nice because he thought war was bad and now knows better.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >if I exaggerate and stretch the truth it'll be easier for me to attack
                Its akin to some sort of humanoid shaped object stuffed with a dried grass material.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >>if I exaggerate and stretch the truth it'll be easier for me to attack

                >Yes, you. Son, I always understood what you were doing better than
                your mother did -- don't blame her; she never had a chance to know, any more
                than a bird can understand swimming. And perhaps I knew why you did it, even
                though I beg to doubt that you knew yourself, at the time. At least half of
                my anger at you was sheer resentment . . . that you had actually done
                something that I knew, buried deep in my heart, I should have done. But you
                weren't the cause of my joining up, either . . . you merely helped trigger
                it and you did control the service I chose.
                >[...]
                >Never mind. I had at last found out what was wrong with
                me." He stopped, then said very softly, "I had to perform an act of faith. I
                had to prove to myself that I was a man. Not just a producing-consuming
                economic animal . . . but a man
                If there's any mention of the MI being willing and eager to do glowing work after the skinnies, I don't remember it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Now don't you feel better? See how easier it is to be honest for a change?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Are you illiterate? Did you forget you just called me a liar?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You fabricated a dishonest summary, and came clean when we both knew it wasn't true. Please grow from this

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >resentful liberal dad acknowledges the superiority of his conservative son
                Christ, what pretentious dreck

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >man gives up his hatred of the military and the resentment of his son for joining after having his wife, everyone in his city, killed by a enemy attack

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >having his wife, everyone in his city, killed by a enemy attack
                This is not stated as his motivation. Feeling emasculated by his son is with the whole:
                >"I should have done what you did".
                >Not just a producing-consuming
                economic animal . . . but a man
                Go ahead anon, follow your author's advice and go join the military.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                He literally joins the military after Buenos Aires, realizing his entire existence was paved by the military’s existence

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                No, he joins before and the attack happens while he's in training.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We are talking about the book and Rico’s father who joins after surviving the attack. Rico’s father is later reunited with Rico and becomes his platoon Sergeant

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Rico’s father who joins after surviving the attack.
                My mistake, I thought you were referring to Rico.

                >Rico’s father is later reunited with Rico and becomes his platoon Sergeant
                Yes, and the plain reading of it is what I said. You can interpret it you way, I just don't see it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >"And when did you join up?" I realized that it was the wrong remark as soon as I had made it -- but I had to get the subject away from McSlattery's Volunteers; an orphan from a dead outfit wants to forget it.
                >Father said quietly, "Shortly after Buenos Aires."
                >"Oh. I see."

                >Father didn't say anything for several moments. Then he said softly, "I'm not sure that you do see, Son."
                >"Sir?"
                >"Mmm . . . it will not be easy to explain. Certainly, losing your mother had a great deal to do with it. But I didn't enroll to avenge her -- even though I had that in mind, too. You had more to do with it -- "

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes. After losing everything he realizes his son who “gave up everything” was right and noble. That his comfy life as a civilian was only possible because some decide to sacrifice. How noble his son was for volunteering in peace time even.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The sacrifice of the soldiers isn't possible without non-combatant citizens like him - he is a manufacturing magnate who has such importance that he can tell there's war coming from how much the government tells him to ramp up production. The MI would not exist without people like him, and - I think, I can't find the exact words and I can't read the whole book fast enough - he says something to that effect while arguing against the whole system of joining the military to get the right to franchise.
                But yes, at the end he decides that Rico was right all along because he felt emasculated by his son and shamed because actually he never believed in all that hippy crap.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I agree, but there is no shortage of noncombatant citizens. That is the normal state of a person, there is a shortage who volunteer and always will be. The point of disenfranchisement of society wouldn’t make sense if the majority of people serve or was it easy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, I understand the point Heinlein was making. I don't agree with it, because investing the power in only some means that the others will suffer for it unless the few are magically good people.
                But that's not what we're talking about - we're talking about how Rico's dad is a caricature that Heinlein put in to laugh at anyone who disagreed instead of having any genuine self-reflection of the society he wrote.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Correct, only killers are human.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >plays ignorant when cornered
                Quick, which character are you referring to being emasculated in

                >having his wife, everyone in his city, killed by a enemy attack
                This is not stated as his motivation. Feeling emasculated by his son is with the whole:
                >"I should have done what you did".
                >Not just a producing-consuming
                economic animal . . . but a man
                Go ahead anon, follow your author's advice and go join the military.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Ok, Now what?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You sure shut his ass up.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How homosexual is the Corps in this day and age?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Think of the worst stories you've ever heard, shit that would make a fat, blue haired, Human Resources officer drone go "what the frick" over. Get that picture in your head, and I assure you it's even worse

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Don't believe, post some classified shit lmao

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If they aren’t human then it’s not war crimes. The skinnies gave the information to the bugs so they could attack earth. Sending MI to get very personal in a show of force is not a war crime either, they could have glassed those cities from orbit if they wanted.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >its not a war crime if i approve of it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Warcrimes don’t exist in intergalactic law or do matter at all. Morally it still isn’t a crime since the skinnies aided the bugs in attacking our cities, the point of the attack was a show of force. The book talks about how we could have just glassed the entire planet but we want the skinnies to surrender and tell us about what they know about the bugs, how they communicated with them, why did the bugs communicate with the skinnies and not us.

                Later in the book it’s explained the skinnies switch sides and help the federation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If they aren’t human then it’s not war crimes.
                Even Rico doesn't think like that.
                >The skinnies gave the information to the bugs so they could attack earth. Sending MI to get very personal in a show of force is not a war crime either, they could have glassed those cities from orbit if they wanted.
                No, anon, murdering civilians because of what a military did is a war crime. You can say the Federation doesn't subscribe to any of the morals or regulations on war that we do, but that's just evading the point of them not being good people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What about all the civilians at Buenos Aires and San Francisco

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They're fascists, who cares?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't know where you're getting the idea I think the bugs were right to drop rocks on earth, but I'll be clear that I don't think killing civilians is good no matter if they're human, skinny, or bug, no matter who it was that kills them.
                It certainly doesn't justify reprisals either, especially when the reprisal is specifically to cause death and suffering amongst civilians instead of anybody actually resposnsible. Yes, yes, I get it - the point is the Federation, being a true democracy with every Citizen ostensibly having their hand in it, sees all civilians as culpable. This doesn't make it right, nor is it actually backed up in the book - the right choice narratively, of course, because the ambiguity helps make it fun to read.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                That’s just your opinion.

                Rico does it. He understands the mission and why it’s done.

                I don’t think killing civilians is good either but the concept of total war, and in this intergalactic conflict it’s a war of total annihilation. You cannot surrender to literal bugs. The survival of the human species is at stake.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                But we're not talking about surrender? We're talking about murdering innocents instead of using the spec ops to perform a decapitation strike or black bag the people actually responsible.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                And when that doesn't work?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What? What the frick do you mean when that doesn't work? You think if they didn't kill the skinny civs the bugs would have won? I can't follow your jump in logic here - nor am I willing to continue this, since you seem to have forgotten the point we're talking about being that the Federation is not a nice society and kills civilians explicitly for terror for no reason but revenge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If it were revenge they would have glassed the planet moron. They wanted the skinnies to surrender and give up information.

                The federation is very nice in the grand scheme of things if you ever read a history book on what medieval armies did

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >They wanted the skinnies to surrender and give up information.
                There is no military benefit to terror in an attempt to get information and surrender - every minute they spend shooting innocents and tossing nukes from the Y-frames into residential blocks is a minute the people who told the bugs about Earth has to cover their tracks or escape. The entire purpose of the MI is wasted on reprisal attacks.
                >The federation is very nice in the grand scheme of things if you ever read a history book on what medieval armies did
                That's nice, but that's not what we're talking about. I don't know if you know that you're deflecting in a really obvious, moronic way, but you are, so quit it.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re just being moronic.

                Every minute the MI is stomping cities, throwing nukes, is a minute of carnage caused by the Skinny government not surrendering. What world do you live in?

                They can cover their tracks and not give up that information! Guess what. They all die if they do that. Do you think they want that? Or would there be enough internal pressure in their society to give up and surrender? Why do countries surrender in war??

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a minute of carnage that serves zero purpose given the MI are more than sufficient to do the actual job of taking out their government. It's the kind of plan that you execute because you can't reach the head, or want to punish the civilians, or don't understand warfare(this is the reason, Heinlein was not very good with non-technical military matters).
                But anyway, we're moving away, so if you want, sure, it's plausible to do it and get the desired result - it's just a really inefficient and pointlessly evil method. My entire point is that the Federation causes suffering and cruelty and this is only barely touched on at the start of the book, and then forgotten because to mention the issues that come from a society where strict military discipline and unquestioning obedience is built into every single voter asks questions that Heinlein didn't want to think about/write about.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We don’t want to take out their government.
                >It's the kind of plan that you execute because you can't reach the head
                Yes. Because the Federation can’t. That’s literally why they’re doing it.

                >society where strict military discipline and unquestioning obedience
                You forget that military service isn’t the only way to serve. Construction workers are serving, as long as it’s dangerous enough (welding in space was the example), mailmen to remote locations are serving, the science corps are serving.

                >suffering and cruelty
                It’s the law of nature. A lot of animals don’t wait for you to die before eating. It would be pointlessly cruel if the Federation was doing it out of malice and not with the purpose of getting them to surrender and join our side.

                You’re a big homosexual and probably don’t own guns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We don’t want to take out their government.
                Then you're relying on them being truthful with you after you scare them by nuking a bunch of civvies, which is fricking stupid - to use an analogy, it's like asking the Japanese politely to not destroy all the documents you might want from them and actually expecting them to do as they're told after the nukes.
                >You forget that military service isn’t the only way to serve. Construction workers are serving, as long as it’s dangerous enough (welding in space was the example), mailmen to remote locations are serving, the science corps are serving.
                And these methods are laughed at by Heinlein, in the form of Rico's father - who is important to the functioning of the Federation and the military in particular - recanting his views and calling himself not a real man. There's also mention of how non-citizens have nice, easy lives; this is a not at all subtle allegory for the times, but it fails to understand that there cannot be safeguards in such a system that are robust enough, and that it relies on every citizen being of good moral calibre or being executed for a minor crime before they get into a position to perform major ones.
                >It’s the law of nature. A lot of animals don’t wait for you to die before eating. It would be pointlessly cruel if the Federation was doing it out of malice and not with the purpose of getting them to surrender and join our side.
                This is exactly one of the problems - to get an ally from your enemies, the Federation kills civilians until they give up resisting (openly, because to suggest the skinnies won't be taking every chance to sabotage is just moronic when you remember they're meant to be broadly similar to humans) instead of taking diplomatic measures, or even taking limited military action against those responsible instead of randoms.

                If only MI would just negotiate, surely there could be a peace with the bugs who have so far been killing your women and children.
                Heinlein was so right about these chicken hawk gormless cowards and traitors.

                Do you just not know what the skinnies are? Have you not read the book?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Then you're relying on them being truthful with you after you scare them by nuking a bunch of civvies, which is fricking stupid - to use an analogy, it's like asking the Japanese politely to not destroy all the documents you might want from them and actually expecting them to do as they're told after the nukes.
                Oh. If they don’t give up that information then they’ll all die then. It’s not like we already know that information moron. If we already knew who to black bag we would, you are just being ignorant

                If they sabotage then they’re risking further punishment and the annihilation of their entire species.

                >laughed at by Heinlein
                I don’t agree at all about this take. Heinlein would not disparage his own system in his own book. Those methods exist for people who don’t want to join the military or aren’t right for the military. Not everyone has to join the military and that’s the point.

                If you have two murders in a group of 100 people. Everyone knows who those two are and explain if you’re going kill everyone in the room if they don’t fess up the two murderers, what will happen. Two people will be pointed out as murderers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Oh. If they don’t give up that information then they’ll all die then.
                Which is morally unacceptable to anyone who's not a genuine sociopath.
                The circular argument here is that I don't think you can have any chance of getting the truth via random terrorism, and you don't think it's a bad thing to commit genocide in retaliation for war. I don't think we're going to compromise here, so unless I've misunderstood you I suppose we'll both think as we think and disagree.
                >I don’t agree at all about this take. Heinlein would not disparage his own system in his own book.
                This is the mark of somebody that can't think critically about their own ideas, or isn't willing to. However I give you that even if it was a story specifically designed to complain about current events and convince people, it's on the people that defend the Federation based on this completely one-sided portrayal for their lack of thought.
                >If you have two murders in a group of 100 people. Everyone knows who those two are and explain if you’re going kill everyone in the room if they don’t fess up the two murderers, what will happen. Two people will be pointed out as murderers.
                Collective punishment is considered bad by most people who believe in individual responsibility, which should include you since you're on PrepHole and obviously have at least some anarchist tendencies or else you'd be somewhere else. Deadly collective punishment is considered unacceptable by the vast majority of people in the western world - I wouldn't dare speak for the people elsewhere, particularly since a lot of them write online about how it's so cool.

                Pretty sure the Japanese fessed up a lot of documents after WW2

                https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13642681
                Many, but by no means all, and of course the ones that implicate people in things that were illegal even in Imperial Japan were targeted for destruction, as is the wont of those who commit crimes against humanity.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Collective punishment is considered bad by most people who believe in individual responsibility, which should include you since you're on PrepHole and obviously have at least some anarchist tendencies or else you'd be somewhere else. Deadly collective punishment is considered unacceptable by the vast majority of people in the western world - I wouldn't dare speak for the people elsewhere, particularly since a lot of them write online about how it's so cool.
                Except right now people cheer for the collective punishment of Russia, people are fine with Palestine being flattened, people have said nothing while Dresden was bombed, the nukes dropped, the firebombing of Tokyo, the march to the sea by Sherman (which was even celebrated a few days ago), total warfare is collective punishment. How do you think things work?

                The collective punishment of people works and it always has worked. Warfare is that. How else do you hold a group of people accountable? If your government is getting you into a war you can’t win, you have to stop your own government, pressure it into surrender before it kills you all. You have to guilt the government into surrendering because they know if they continue the war they will lose it all.

                The survival of the species in this case, or the state or in the real world, is of utmost importance so anything goes.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This is all assuming that the Federation is incapable of performing any action more targeted than random nuking of civilians, which I don't think is supported by the book. Again, clearly you think it's okay and I don't, and I don't think we'll find a way to compromise on an issue like this.
                I don't have numbers on hand, but I'll take your word for it and apologise for saying most people find it bad. I find the stance of justifying genocide as being unacceptable, and again don't know of anything in the book that indicates the skinnies were an existential threat outside of the simple "two species exist therefore one must die" thing that people like to do long before they actually fix the galaxy up to make such things matter.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Federation is capable of glassing the planets from orbit. Do you think the Federation has an intelligence network embedded in the skinny’s civilization?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                ...I don't understand your point. The USA is capable of glassing any country after doing a loop around the world several times, but they still have spies because there is a great deal of utility in having choices between "total war" and "peace".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t think the Federation has the capacity to infiltrate another race. How would you? Why would any skinny betray their species and act as spy? It was written in 1959.

                And I don’t think the CIA’s purpose is peace. If you read about anything they’ve done it’s explicitly not. The U.S. is not a peace loving country, hasn’t been for a long time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would any skinny betray their species and act as spy? It was written in 1959.
                Uh. You don't know about Communist spies, and the scare over them? Justified in part because of how many there were and how high they got, unjustified because they caught basically nobody and just made it easier for those in power to cover up misdeeds.
                >And I don’t think the CIA’s purpose is peace.
                That's not what I said, you ass.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why would any skinny help the federation and betray their entire species

                Its not like you can lure them with human women and money

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Human women can be thicc
                Skinnies are all skinny
                Just imagine
                >Skinny betrays his species
                Can you blame him?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would any American help the USSR and betray their entire Nation
                I dunno anon, maybe the skinnies aren't bugpeople and have individuality, maybe they're blackmailed, maybe they're a human in a skinsuit.
                >Its not like you can lure them with human women and money
                ...Why not? And why can't the Federation have any Skinny money to buy them with?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would any skinny help the federation and betray their entire species
                Why does any member of any group betray the group? It's just silly to expect that it can't happen.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Any creature that can't recognize objective truth (our civilization's righteousness) or even objective beauty (human women) doesn't deserve rights, unironically.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Why would any skinny help the federation and betray their entire species
                Assuming they're not also a hivemind you're almost certain to get a few thinking
                >hmmm maybe skinnies are the REAL bad guys

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >CIA frickery foreign entanglements Imperial boomerang domestic repercussions
                Adams-sama, save us....
                [that said, TZD Ride or Die]

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The Federation is capable of glassing the planets from orbit. Do you think the Federation has an intelligence network embedded in the skinny’s civilization?

                Also I think genocide is bad, against humans, as I know most people don’t have a role in what their government does. I know on a personal level most people from different countries can get along. But it’s when things get tribal and “others” I know people change. I don’t want to be held accountable to what the U.S. government or more specifically what the CIA does. But I know I will be. Terrorists can get to me, they can’t get to who’s running the show and I don’t think anyone knows who’s running the show.

                But now if I’m faced with genocide? I’ll genocide them back. Sorry.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >total warfare is collective punishment. How do you think things work? The collective punishment of people works and it always has worked. Warfare is that. How else do you hold a group of people accountable? If your government is getting you into a war you can’t win, you have to stop your own government, pressure it into surrender before it kills you all.
                Despite what turdies were salivating over, I don't think russian mobiks slaughtering the civvies at Bucha got Ukraine closer to surrender. Also, picrel - no-one dragged Churchill out into the street and quartered him because Londoners suffered some boo-boos from Nazi bombers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your two examples are very small casualty events.

                Bombing people into submission works. The British did Dresden, deliberately targeting civilians to “break the will” of the German people.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Bombing people into submission works
                Tell that to the Taliban

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We didn’t bomb them into submission. Only small target strikes of leaders and random people since we’re incompetent

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >We didn’t bomb them into submission
                Do you not have a very good understanding of history or are you just trolling? The US "defeated" the Taliban militarily and forced their leaders into hiding for decades, the US annexed all of Afghanistan, they killed hundreds of thousands of Afghanis and they had military checkpoints between every major town and city; and it still wasn't enough
                Why wasn't it enough? Because the Taliban are a regional ethnic group in a highly autonomous country. It's impossible to govern those people externally, they must in fact do it themselves.
                So the Taliban may still exist as a name, and there may in fact still be some of the old leaders, but their power structure has been completely gutted and rebuilt multiple times over, and that's the point.
                The US literally could not drop enough bombs on Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >killed hundreds of thousands of them
                Are you’re telling me I don’t have a very good understanding of history

                Hundreds of thousands of afghanis were not killed. There were no bombing campaigns. Many afghanis were killed by the Taliban in their attacks which are counted in the total numbers.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous
              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >The British did Dresden, deliberately targeting civilians to “break the will” of the German people.
                Wanna remind me when the Germans surrendered, moron?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Like I think this guy thinks dropping the nukes on Japan was pointlessly cruel and we should have just invited them to New Mexico and showed them the Trinity test or dropped in on some inhabited part of Japan as a show of force

                I’ve argued with multiple people who said that shit

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >My entire point is that the Federation causes suffering and cruelty
                Honestly, just about every government in existence does this if only with bureaucratic incompetence. The question is the degree.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If only MI would just negotiate, surely there could be a peace with the bugs who have so far been killing your women and children.
                Heinlein was so right about these chicken hawk gormless cowards and traitors.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                We don’t know any of that, who or what was responsible, the attacks were to get those in power to fess up and tell the federation who was.

                How can you do a spec ops strike on an alien civilization you barely understand. You’re applying a modern point of view where the CIA has a hand in everything, this concept did not exist in 1959.

                The skinnies would understand force, they would understand this is an attack of terror and not the full capability of the federation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >And the way things are going now, we'll be double that before we make a settlement on mars
                The way things are going now, Earth will never host more than 11 billion people because TLIs show the low birth rate disease spreading from the developed world to the developing and undeveloped world even as we speak.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                TLIs, Low birth rate disease? QRD?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Feminism, gender politics, etc.

                Read up about the gender WAR in South Korea

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Gotcha, you mean the mind virus. For some reason I was thinking there was some new pathogen.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                If you give women rights, your society goes extinct.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >normies seeing the future as humans coming together and going out into space and colonizing the solar system in peace
                >Top G's realizing that it isn't absurd at all that in a hundred years or so, it wouldn't be unlikely for a grain warlord controlling the flow of shit ethanol from the badlands of the midwest could sack the city of D.C.

                Frick Weimar Germany 2.0. Our future is looking more like the fall of the Roman Empire.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >wounded veterans can’t say their service was noble or great
                lol

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You are stupid if you think this is meant as some kind of endorsement.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You’re stupid in multiple ways. I’ve talked to guys who said the very same thing who lost their legs and fingers in Korea. WW2 vets. And I’m sure if I went back to WW1, the American civil war, all the way to the revolutionary war they’d say the same.

                1. Clearly the guy is very proud of it
                2. In the book they pick the most gruesome veterans to be recruitment officers to scare away the squeamish. That character likes what he does, he has indistinguishable from natural prosthetics he wears off hours

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >it's neither confirmed nor denied
                The bugs display abilities on screen that violate the laws of physics the whole movie, and we know everyone, from experts in space travel to civilian scientists, all believe the bugs are capable of FTL travel.
                "Propaganda"and "stupidity" are the midwits normal response to these problems with the theory, except they don't understand that would require a level of stupidity, a level of suggestibility, so intense, so profound, that these people wouldn't be able to operate the appliances we see them use, much less a starship. You cannot tell me that ST takes place in the Idiocracy setting without any of the necessary secondary consequences of that on screen.

                Like all post hoc Starship Troopers fan theories, it unravels the universe as presented on screen to such an extent that what we see on screen becomes completely meaningless in said lens.

                Occam's Razor is reasonableness, not realism. Reasonable is "the magic bug uses his magic to achieve the effect that seems impossible".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >(bugs send a meteor from the opposite end of the galaxy at sublight speed and hit earth with pinpoint precision)
            The book was written in the 50s. We didn't know how hard space travel would be at that point nor the scale of the universe.

            Using 2024 information to recontextualize on a fiction written 70 years ago doesn't make sense.

            Bugs have FTL cargo ship bugs. Kinda hard to have an interstellar bug empire without FTL.
            >FTL bug warps to just out of sensor range from Federation ships/bases
            >Chucks a rock at Earth
            >Bugs out (hehe) before it's detected
            >The asteroid literally clips and destroys the antenna off whats-her-face's ship on the way to earth, so they can't call ahead to warn them of the strike
            >Rock hits earth
            You literally see more asteroids being shot apart before reaching earth at the end of the movie now that the feds know to expect them.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Book arachnids have spaceships, laser guns, and industrial cities. They're much more advanced and intelligent. The worker bugs swarm the mobile infantry to hide the approach of the armed warriors.

              Book is very different. Starship Troopers has the same difficulty as Ender's game, where the humans cannot communicate with the bugs for a peace, and it isn't clear if the bugs would grant coexistence.

              Also the book ends on an attrition lesson, that the bugs easily replace their losses in a few weeks or months, but human lives take decades. Brand new arachnids can be hatched recently but they have the full wisdom and intelligence of the brain bugs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Parody as a genre is dead because no matter what you do some stupid c**t will be all like
          >Yeah! Based!

          Lay it on as thick as you like. Shit, have the director spell it out in the commentary, it literally doesn't matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Post gun with timestamp.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The song was adopted ironically. The Americans didn't actually agree with its content. The people who go around defending ST do in fact agree with its content and try their best to defend it. They're not liking this shit ironically or playing pretend or anything like that.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >no no no its all ironic see??
                >except for these people I don't agree with, they're the only ones not being ironic

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Can you go an hour without crying about Reddit.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >throw rock
                >dog yelps
                Pottery

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The movie added the problem of the destruction of Buenos Aires being an obvious false flag lmao. That completely turns the value judgement of the whole story on its head. The book had the bugs having space travel and stuff.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Verhoven himself said it was the bugs that did it.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >~~*Verhoeven*~~ said the attack was real.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is nothing in the film that suggests it’s a false flag

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Barely sapient insects without any FTL or spaceships snipe Buenos Aires from the other side of the galaxy.
              >This conveniently justifies earth’s wacky ideology.
              >The population control and political disenfranchisement is just a coincidental byproduct.
              >The government got its hands on mind control.
              >But the streets are clean 🙂

              HD2 is a satire of a satire and even it does a better job at making the threat seem somewhat believable.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Maybe it's just a shooter with a gimmicky love affair to Verhoeven. It doesn't need to be this huge geopolitical statement.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This. Why cant things just be fricking fun anymore?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There will always be an Inquisitor type of personality, who seeks power and influence through activism, on behalf of whatever they see as The Future.
                This is the advantage to a hobby that's either niche or otherwise not seen as culturally significant. Such hobbies get ignored and remain fun.
                Vidya got too good, it's suffering from success.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Why can't it be fun and a satire? Portraying hyper militarism as being pretty moronic and that a lot of its glamour comes from very cynical propaganda isn't innately incompatible with making a game that's fun. It just happens to be difficult since certain people tend to be really pretentious when going about it (see Spec Ops the Line).

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They’re not barely sapient, they are shown to the ability to colonize many planets, and there is nothing in the movie that suggests it was a false flag.

                Verhoeven even said the bugs did it.

                In the book it explains they learn of Earth’s location from the other alien race, the skinnies.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >films can't have plot holes
                Bold statement, anon

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Barely sapient
                They literally have a planet sized giga brain able to dominate people's minds. Sure the individual bugs might not be able to hold a conversation with you but they're the equivalent of blood cells for a greater organisim.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The movie has FTL travel for humans that’s never explained, even though that’s physically impossible. So the idea that the bugs can launch a rock at FTL speeds is t the big issue that homosexual leftist redditors make it out to be. It’s not a false flag, it’s an obvious attack by an enemy at war.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its basically just the movie, but with better satire

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Except Helldivers 2 heavily mocks democracy while Starship Troopers was a satire on fascism.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Starship Troopers was a satire on fascism.
          With zero (zero) actual fascism lol

          • 1 month ago
            NTAYART

            >t. didnt read

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The book wasn't a satire.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Dude, the system in the book is lolbertarian. You'd know this if you actually knew something about the political systems you're mentioning.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Helldivers 2 heavily mocks democracy while Starship Troopers
          Super Earth is less democratic than that the (movie) Federation is fascist (which is not at all)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, it's mocking the US, by exaggerating the image of the US as an extremely militarized country that constant meddles in other countries' affairs, while also constantly claiming that it's done in the name of freedom and democracy.
          I mean, there's a common joke about bombing sandBlack folk into oblivion, and saying that you're brining them a taste of freedom/democracy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You moron.
          Just because something calls itself a Democratic Peoples Republic doesn't make it a democracy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Johnny's dad runs a successful family business and basically laughs at the idea of working for the feds
          I don't think a fascist government would allow this. Heinlein just believed if you want to participate in how the state is run, you should have some actual skin in the game. The movie basically just builds a big dumb strawman to knock over.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it is known
        that's part of why it's fun, it keeps riffing on that parody of a parody

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're also fricking worthless. It's hinted that each helldiver dropped is a new person who was brought out of cryostasis and dropped without warning, and the stims do not appear to be capable of healing actual damage, just psyching you up for a few seconds (ignoring the gameiness of them having to actually heal you). They are completely fine with dumping the entire cryo capacity of the super destroyer on a suicide mission just to get targeting coordinates.

      this is just starship troopers

      Yes, but the point of this game is that you unironically support the authoritarian dictatorship. Death to terminids, death to automatons. My life for super earth.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Humanity has a huge over population problem, there’s no other way. Managed democracy is the only way.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >and the stims do not appear to be capable of healing actual damage, just psyching you up for a few seconds
        except the fact one of the injuries is severe hemorrhaging, I don't care how psyched up you are; if you have an arterial bleed you're still gonna die 5 minutes after.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not if you replace your blood with stims

          t. Medic armor with a supply backpack and eats all the resupply drops

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Also broken arms/legs. Snap a PCP zombie's shin in half and tell me how fast he runs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not if you replace your blood with stims

          t. Medic armor with a supply backpack and eats all the resupply drops

          Depending on the location and shape of the cut artery, smooth muscle contraction can actually get tight enough to resist systolic blood pressures of 80+ and thus stop hemorrhage with no treatment. This is why historically, you did have battlefield amputees survive in some cases, if they managed to avoid infection somehow. The cleaner the cut, the more likely this is to occur, since ideally the artery should retract into the flesh and thus be shielded from anything that might reopen it.

          So hypothetically, a smooth muscle agonist might be able to buy you some amount of time, as part of a vidya battle-stim-heal-thing.

          (Pretty sure any amount of atherosclerotic plaque prevents this)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >(Pretty sure any amount of atherosclerotic plaque prevents this)

            That is a bizarrely specific addendum. How do you know that, and how did you suppose that would even factor into the problem?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but athero=artery, sclero=hard, plaque=accumulation. Accumulations of fat and inflammation could theoretically make it harder for the artery to close. Not sure why he brought it up though, peripheral vascular disease is practically unheard of in young, healthy people.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The problem there is, in Helldivers the injuries involved are gunshot wounds or deep lacerations and puncture injuries, like from a bite (also for gameplay reasons the only source of the bleed is the torso). So this isn't a case of the muscles contracting over an amputated limb's artery, it's having a giant hole or gaping gash in your chest and sticking a needle in yourself and it no longer having a life threatening bleed.

            Stims also "fix" the effects of a broken arm or leg, you could probably chalk this up to pain killing effects but the helldiver can still sprint, jump and dive at full athleticism with a broken leg simply by stimming themselves.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The easiest solution is that the stims work much like atoms in every other sci-fi series… in that they accelerate the healing process and actually DO heal you. The grimderp headcanon explanation that atoms are just an adrenaline shot and everything is le dystopia, is of course fricking wrong and moronic, much like the plebbitor proponents of these theories.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >grimderp
                >le
                >plebbitor
                I miss before the days PrepHole was shit

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What is this fricking bugoid propaganda?!
        I ought to report all of you to the democracy officer.

        It’s not hinted, that’s literally how it is, and you should be thankful for the opportunity to die for liberty

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >HD2 is all about the illusion of control. You cant go "anywhere", only to planets authorized by Super Earth Government. The ships are the actual damage dealers, you are dropped in as a bipedal meat drone to call in strikes on enemy territory.

      I would fricking do it, but with a twist.

      I would have an erection the entire time.

      Frick the bugs, frick the toasters

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Roomba is a frick

        4,118,000 dead hulks

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I would have an erection the entire time.
        >Frick the bugs, frick the toasters
        How fast are you doing your C-01 forms?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Frick the bugs, frick the toasters
        Don't mind if I do!
        But I also want to frick Eagle-1

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >never have eagle-1 sit on your lap during a run and have her pressed into you after you unlock liquid ventilated wienerpits and take a high-g turn
          Life is suffering

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >ywn talk about getting a C-01 permit while scrubbing each other off during the post-mission communal shower
            I bet the cyborgs are to blame for this somehow

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >C-01
              Frick that, anal only.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >not filling out the C-01-00

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          My hot wife Eagle-1 chan!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >starts are the real killers
      No duh. If you don't take servo arms you are gimping yourself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Servo assisted
        But I wouldn't have kino moments of running toward a horde of bugs in an open valley trying to get close enough to chuck my 500kg marker then getting TKd by some guys 120mm bombardment just as I'm turning around to run back.
        >The tk made me look cooler in my mind cuz I didn't (get to) run away

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          120 and 380 are nightmare fuel.
          I used to think the mortar sentry was the worst but at least you can look to see where it's shooting.
          I've been killed by a 380 strike 65m away from the beacon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            80m is minimum safe distance for 380. That said I watched a single 380 start erase an entire heavy bot compound

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    HD2 is grim as frick, but you will only get some things if you have read the original Starship Troopers book.

    Helldivers are not elite infantry, but expandable cannon fodder. Look at the thouroughness of training and also read everything during the training mission.

    The ongoing galactic wars provide virtually unlimited access to the ressources of other planets and E-710 which fuel both the war machine and Super Earths economy. Also it's a form of population control, because people breed like rabbits. Desired birth rate is 1.4 but in reality it's way higher. Because of this death of colonists and Helldivers is more than accepted, and even kind of necessary to keep the human empire stable.

    Most helldivers are short-lived teenagers with access to super heavy and costly ordnance, which is exactly what they are supposed to do: Provide accurate targeting information for the super destroyers. Missions are counted as success even if all Helldivers are dead, extraction is purely optional as you may have noticed.

    Stims don't actually heal anyone, they're essentially highly addictive super-meth (note what happens when you take a shitload of stims kek) that keeps you on your legs a bit longer so you can take a few more clankers with you before you die.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What part of what you wrote has anything to do with the original Starship Troopers? HD2 is really more a parody of the movie, which was directed by a guy who blatantly bragged that he never read the book.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Helldivers is Starship Troopers the movie, Exocorps is Starship Troopers the book.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >4yr old niche combat mech game with tiny playerbase

          Hard pass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >4yr old niche combat mech game with tiny playerbase
            My perfect game.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This estrogenated Black person cant live without the hustle and bustle of the big city.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              least unhinged /k/ poster

    • 1 month ago
      Sagepp

      >note what happens when you take a shitload of stims kek
      what happens?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it’s is actually le edgy grim shitlib satire
      Nah, it’s not. Like, at all. It’s one of the most hopeful games of all time. A unified, glorious future, full of brave patriots willing to give their life for their comrades

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a glorious future where 18yr olds get frozen into pods and shot onto hostile planets with an average 15 minute lifespan
        >datapads on planets constantly hint at awful living conditions

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So a slight improvement to today's world

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but what is life like for your average super earth citizen like? Life on the frontiers and in war has and will always suck. Prosperity requires sacrifice. See the poor fricks who mine the lithium for tour phone or the 10 year old thai ladyboy who makes your shoes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >pure cope and headcanon
          I accept your concession moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon it says the average age of helldivers is like 18.5 years in the intro

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stop sucking penis, please. Unironic birth control rant backed up by nothing, to a bunch of other adult virgins on a Burmese spear fishing board.
      T. 25 year old with a barely-existent sex resume.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >
      Stims absolutely do heal you, they just give you mega space cancer as well

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >expects logic from a society where the main driver of economy is "LET'S ALL GO TO WAR AND DIE!"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I mean, it has worked for the U.S. so far.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Helldivers are basically an Army of Encino Men acting as artillery observers for the Super Destroyers whose doctrinal use has been carefully built around their suicidal moronation.

    >Always calling in suicidal danger close fire missions at the drop of a hat
    >Simplified targeting beacons means even morons like them can call in said danger close fire missions successfully
    >Only deploying in 4 man teams at a time max means that even in the worst case of blue on blue, the danger close missions splash way more bugs/bots then Helldivers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair, the setting is too fantastical to be rationalized. I mean, given the heavy reliance on orbital weapons, it's not like they actually need people on the ground. They could just bombard shit from orbit, or if they absolutely need spotters, send down some cheap drones. For the bug holes, they could just send down FPV drones.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The divers are probably cheaper than drones and good publicity. Not like any of them make it back to Super Earth to tell how much robot space vietnam fricking sucked.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Bots deploy signal jammers and air defense, you have to destroy those on the ground

        And if you carpet bomb the planet you risk sensitive assets like VIPs or nuke silos

        Now for bugs I have no excuse, just press the purge button

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I thought the point of the bugs was to farm them for space oil

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah yeah, that

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          After one of the missions to push the bugs back or thin their numbers, the democracy officer commented about leaving the planets fallow so the bugs can be sustainably farmed. Wiping them all put is explicitly bad and they don't even want to hide it. Even the little commercials in the hangar say extracting 710 is a higher priority than killing bugs.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bugs shit out spores which prevent orbital sensing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The autocannon using a gigantic toggle lock because why not is sexy as frick.

            It's pretty obvious the Helldivers aren't actually elite troops. What they are is obscenely loyal to the par... uh... democracy... yeah... and liberty... woo liberty... I sure could go for a nice cup of lib-er-tea right now!
            It's also population control with benefits. Those that fail will probably also die in the field. Those that succeed might be worth allowing to breed. Failures help control population while successes bring resources and help control the controlled opposition.

            "Super Earth" clearly has more than enough supplies and troops to utterly crush both the bugs and bots if they got a bit serious but Helldivers are hamstrung into maximum teams of 4 and heavily limited with arbitrary rules and regs regarding stratagems. They have those fancy corvettes they call destroyers but aren't allowed to call any stratagem its capable of instead being limited to 3-4 of them and also aren't allowed to just bombard from orbit while watching from the bridge window. If they tried to do so I'm sure the commisa... democracy officer... would put a stop to that quickly with a lofty speech or a bullet. Also pretty heavily implied the government is responsible for the automatons and outright open about it when it comes to the terminids because bug goop is space oil.

            >Oh no, so anyways I started blastin...
            Indiscriminate bombardment is 100% accurate if you simply keep firing for long enough.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >could instantly crush the bugs and bots if they got a bit serious
              this is not really implied at all. they DO want eternal war, but they aren't holding back much, they just flat out don't care if millions die to take a single wendies.

              They're responsible for the bots in that the bots are the 'children' of the cyborgs they conquered and enslaved. I don't think they actually made them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                They are very clearly holding back significantly. And no, not instantly, but they could definitely crush the bots and bugs if they wanted. It's extremely evident because when a notable major order drops shit tends to get done ahead of schedule. (turns out the community plays zealot very well)

                For another example you've played an impossible or helldive difficulty mission right? It was pretty hard right? Now imagine how much easier that would've been if you merely had a total of 12 helldivers running that same operation instead of just 4. In the grander scheme that's not really that big a deal to Super Earth's numbers. However it directly affects the effectiveness of population control and breeding planning and pretty much guarantees too much success which is an immediate threat to bug goop production due to risk of driving them to extinction. Imagine how utterly unstoppable a company of helldivers operating together would be in universe. Helldiver difficulty is the best the bots and bugs can muster and the 4 man teams can still do it.

                Now imagine that 12 man op where supplies are per destroyer meaning up to 12 resupplies at once and everyone can use all of their unlocked stratagems at will aside from when something's actually reloading/rearming. It'd be an outright cakewalk aside from the occasional moron that doesn't keep track of friendlies when calling strikes and he'd quickly find himself fragged as a traitor.

                Alongside that Super Earth has also actively gamified requisitions, equipment distribution, and even orbital strike capability. A military that isn't holding much back isn't going to gamify logistics and heavy support like that. The commanders of military that isn't holding much back are going to do their best to run that war as efficiently as possible with as few casualties as possible because god forbid you get a big surprise like the automatons ringing the bell for another round with an even bigger force than before.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's gamified because it's a satire video game. But even then it's pretty obvious that super earth isn't exactly what one would call competent - the final upgrade to SD firepower is, iirc, making them breech-loading, implying that normall all super earth artillery is MUZZLE LOADING. You also have the whole TDC not actually controlling anything and making things worse as well. This isn't holding back, they're just canonically moronic.

                Major orders get done really fast because these are the first ones and with the Cyberstan thing happening, I think it was 100% planned that we would defeat the bots in the west in a certain time frame to make way for this (and also because the entire playerbase hops on to finish them). As things have gone on we've seen more and more enemy types and more missions, so I think now is when we're going to actually get to the hard part of the game - we'er going to be getting heavier bot units, heavier bug units (like the big worm thing from the first game), and the third faction. We've been on tutorial mode so far.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >the final upgrade to SD firepower is, iirc, making them breech-loading
                It only increases fire rate by 10% so the muzzle loader was working pretty well.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My favorite part is there's a mod that adds the Auto-cannon and the Liberator to Hotdogs, Horse Shoes, & Hand Grenades. It's only problem is it feels like it's got absolutely no weight to it. Life size giant ass toggle lock is awesome.

                [...]
                >It's gamified because it's a satire video game.
                No shit, however looking at it as if it were real it's abundantly clear they're managing the whole mess and using it to their advantage while the useful idiots do exactly what they're meant to one way or the other.

                If they were legit just moronic they'd have fallen to the the Automatons a while ago. Golly gee it'd absolutely suck if the two enemies we expect started actually adapting too rapidly for the current system to counter. Boy it sure would be a shame if a third force unexpectedly showed up and threw a wrench made of pure grade A explodium into the works on top of that. This is why we're going to see it go to shit, not because the Super Earth gov is incompetent mooks and we got lucky.
                >MUZZLE LOADING!!!
                Again, it's entirely possible this is a measure to ensure the helldivers don't wipe the board ruining the whole setup. Also, that only applies to the Super Destroyer's guns. It's pretty clear average arty the normal armed forces would typically use (SEAF Artillery) is magazine fed and can be entirely automated. As for the ship it's entirely possible the muzzle loaders are basically the mortar turret but super sized as far as loading goes. The thing that is the most likely cause for long reload times is getting the shells actually to the guns from the ship's magazines to be loaded. If however it's literally dudes doing a spacewalk jamming shells in that is pretty fricking moronic, but again, there's a benefit to helldivers not being able to explode everything at will. That's also not supported due to reload/rearm times being extremely consistent.

                I do like the third layer of theory that the bugs and automaton invasion is partbof a government plan to population control and maximize colony gains, except the government is actually deluded about how much in control they actually are and that Super Earth actually is at the verge of destruction since the current modus operandi is basically just a high stakes gamble by the government that things will be "manageable"

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >The autocannon using a gigantic toggle lock because why not is sexy as frick.
              I also love how it's loaded with clips. The mechanism is practical and pretty cool.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                My favorite part is there's a mod that adds the Auto-cannon and the Liberator to Hotdogs, Horse Shoes, & Hand Grenades. It's only problem is it feels like it's got absolutely no weight to it. Life size giant ass toggle lock is awesome.

                It's gamified because it's a satire video game. But even then it's pretty obvious that super earth isn't exactly what one would call competent - the final upgrade to SD firepower is, iirc, making them breech-loading, implying that normall all super earth artillery is MUZZLE LOADING. You also have the whole TDC not actually controlling anything and making things worse as well. This isn't holding back, they're just canonically moronic.

                Major orders get done really fast because these are the first ones and with the Cyberstan thing happening, I think it was 100% planned that we would defeat the bots in the west in a certain time frame to make way for this (and also because the entire playerbase hops on to finish them). As things have gone on we've seen more and more enemy types and more missions, so I think now is when we're going to actually get to the hard part of the game - we'er going to be getting heavier bot units, heavier bug units (like the big worm thing from the first game), and the third faction. We've been on tutorial mode so far.

                >It's gamified because it's a satire video game.
                No shit, however looking at it as if it were real it's abundantly clear they're managing the whole mess and using it to their advantage while the useful idiots do exactly what they're meant to one way or the other.

                If they were legit just moronic they'd have fallen to the the Automatons a while ago. Golly gee it'd absolutely suck if the two enemies we expect started actually adapting too rapidly for the current system to counter. Boy it sure would be a shame if a third force unexpectedly showed up and threw a wrench made of pure grade A explodium into the works on top of that. This is why we're going to see it go to shit, not because the Super Earth gov is incompetent mooks and we got lucky.
                >MUZZLE LOADING!!!
                Again, it's entirely possible this is a measure to ensure the helldivers don't wipe the board ruining the whole setup. Also, that only applies to the Super Destroyer's guns. It's pretty clear average arty the normal armed forces would typically use (SEAF Artillery) is magazine fed and can be entirely automated. As for the ship it's entirely possible the muzzle loaders are basically the mortar turret but super sized as far as loading goes. The thing that is the most likely cause for long reload times is getting the shells actually to the guns from the ship's magazines to be loaded. If however it's literally dudes doing a spacewalk jamming shells in that is pretty fricking moronic, but again, there's a benefit to helldivers not being able to explode everything at will. That's also not supported due to reload/rearm times being extremely consistent.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Super earth isn't completely incompetent but they're a hyper-satirized hyper-authoritarian dictatorship. Those don't exactly made things like 'good decisions' or 'effective long term plans'.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >orbital bombardment > everything else
              I'm tired of this meme.

              >logistics and economy still exists even in sci fi space settings, you can't just manufacture hundreds of thousands of skyscraper sized ships with millions of nukes
              >even with heavy bombardment, planets do a pretty good job at protecting people by just digging unnaground
              >it is always implied that the defending force doesn't have defense and jamming systems of their own to give the offensive fleet hell
              >it is always implied that future colony worlds wouldn't have orbital bombardment in mind when designing and constructing their infrastructure, so that they could build bunkers everywhere and the structures themselves can be made resistant apart from direct hits
              >It is always implied that the defending force has no space force left once orbital bombardment begins because it's not like a star system is frick huge where you could hide hundreds to thousands of spacecraft throughout it
              >It is always implied that the fleets conducting an orbital bombardment can just "sit" in orbit and rain nukes and wouldn't be constantly harassed by ground based weapon systems forcing them to either avoid being near the planet entirely or only being able to make "skimming" orbits where they minimize the time they spend over said planet
              >It is always implied that this wouldn't necessitate a ground invasion in waves in order to clear enough territory on the ground to allow said fleet more freedom to not get blown the frick up

              It would never be as easy as just "nuke em' from orbit".

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                and economy still exists even in sci fi space settings, you can't just manufacture hundreds of thousands of skyscraper sized ships with millions of nukes
                at the height of operation rapid disassembly there were 365 thousand players in orbit of one planet, each with their own super destroyer. Our actions and numbers are canon, so Super Earth has that many ships in its fleet and more

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just the helldiver corps has hundreds of thousands of orbital bombardment ready warships. The branches of the regular SEAF have a ton of ships as well.
                >underground
                It's all fun and games until a bunker buster of the hellbomb or nuke variety goes off nearby.
                >defenses
                Never been to a bot world I see. This may surprise you but you can fit more guns in orbit than on a planet's surface. Orbital circumference and area are greater than the planet's. A large enough fleet can outgun any planetary defenses.
                >jamming
                Oh no, I'm being jammed! Surely now I can't just keep shooting dumb munitions until I accidentally the jammers or am otherwise satisfied!
                >ready infrastructure
                Sounds like a great plan if it's light but dedicated heavy bombardment will eventually win.
                >no space forces
                The bugs are bugs, it's a miracle they can spread from planet to planet at all. No idea why the bots don't use theirs much. Seriously though dedicated orbital bombardment is a post-space superiority strategy. If you're doing it during active space battles something is very wrong.
                >ground invasion
                Is pretty much always going to happen anyways, now with 99.9% less angry locals. Planets are valuable and the remaining 0.1% of the local population needs to be killed or captured.

                Anon allow me to tell you what you do on various missions.
                >Activate auxiliary power and pump fuel to then launch an ICBM at a nearby area, close enough they won't have time to intercept it
                >Rescue and defend high value scientists or civilians while they board an escape shuttle
                >A crashed escape pod in the region contains valuable data, recover it
                >Retrieve and transmit vital research data
                >Pump refined FTL fuel needed for the war effort into shuttles
                >Raise the Super Flag as unassailable beacon of Liberty, (VERY important ok)
                >Conduct a geological survey to identify valuable ore veins

                These all require boots on the ground and flattening the area would effectively be a failed mission. And while a lot of missions could in theory be done by saturation bombing, as one of the ship NPCs says, "a single Stratagem is more expensive than the average Super Earth citizen makes in a year". Sending down some poor saps to act as spotters so you can save some cash on orbital reentry capable artillery shells is better to the Super Earth government.

                Why do you think I made a point to mention
                >there are still ops that would require boots on the ground
                At the scale of Super Earth's forces the manufacturing of munitions really isn't going to be that big a deal. Some sap will gladly do it for a nice shiny nickel and the promise of one of his shells saving LIBERTY AND DEMOCRACY'S CHILDREN!

                Maps are 2km diameter circles. Slightly less than four grid squares. The enemy targets require a direct hit with heavy ordinance and the walking barrage is only a percentage chance to hit. The 380mm barrage is a saturation in an 75m radius for thirty seconds, and it fails to hit targets a lot.

                They're a spec ops team to recon and destroy literally anywhere. The part where they're 18yo volunteers with a few minutes of training doesn't negate that they've been playing VR videogames their entire lives.

                Aye, but you're forgetting something important. Every last strike you call is literally only a single ship firing. Four 380mm strikes on the same target is obscene but still nothing to a proper bombardment. Imagine if instead of one or four ships it's forty ships. That's basically nothing at the scale of the SEAF, but imagine the absolute devastation.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >No idea why the bots don't use theirs much
                Haven't played in the last day? Bots have arrived with a planetary invasion fleet that simultaneously invaded every single planet in Cyberstan's system and bordering areas in less than 4 hours.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, we all know that. But why haven't they been engaging super destroyers with their own ships? It's a great big plot hole. I'd expect to see more than just surface fire taking out background ships when orbiting "defend" planets.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Because the game is called Helldivers, not Super Earth Space Navy. Presumably the Bot ships land to disgorge their metallic stink upon hapless citizens instead of firing themselves from bullets and leaving the ship itself in orbit like a TRUE patriot.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Every last strike you call is literally only a single ship firing
                Even if you have fanatical citizens willing to work in abysmal conditions you are still limited by your shell production, and as you pointed out, there's a LOT of Super Destroyers out there that need shells. If you assume a single Super Destroyer can fire 100~150 380mm shells over an operation, and that's assuming you're basically firing 380mm, Orbital Precision, and Walking Barrages off cooldown every single time to do your suggested saturation bombing, that's a fricking monstrously huge amount of shells expended if you want to have hundreds of them doing it at the same time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Your problem is you're thinking on the scale of modern earthly militaries where ammunition can actually be a pretty serious problem. You really need to start treating Super Earth as if it's a post scarcity society when it comes to ammunition. This faction is capable of giving individual soldiers their own personal warship and keeping them all well supplied during near constant operations. They have the production and logistics capacity for absolutely massive bombardments if they felt like it.

                Because the game is called Helldivers, not Super Earth Space Navy. Presumably the Bot ships land to disgorge their metallic stink upon hapless citizens instead of firing themselves from bullets and leaving the ship itself in orbit like a TRUE patriot.

                Sure but it'd make sense if instead of holding orbit largely uncontested there was at least a battle going on when you look out the window.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              TBF the stratagem limit might just be ammo capacity, those destroyers are not very big and sustained bombardment needs a LOT of very heavy & bulky shells

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bugs tunnel underground and create spore colonies.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Oh sure. You're still talking about setting that's built to primarily service the needs of an accessible coop action shooter. It was never going to be anything remotely like a realistic leaning milsim about futuristic (or even contemporary) warfare. But making the Helldivers way of fighting actually hugely artillery centric, and all the dude-bro super soldier stuff being in-universe propaganda and smoke and mirrors, is a bit more reasonable/clever than what most games/movies do when approaching the subject.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    reddit game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >waaaaah stop playing games i dont like
      Downvote me, you fricking reddit gay

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        GB2R

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ill see you there pal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >admitting using r*ddit

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              There's no point b***hing about it in current year. You're all reddit gays. I'm a reddit gay. But you're the only Black person here.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nta but i stopped using reddit about 4 years ago. If i get bored of shitposting here i go read a book or jack off

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I unironically do not use r*ddit.
                The surest sign of a r*dditor is tells othera to go there,

                GB2R

                homosexual

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Like I said Ill see you there

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not the first.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    unironically Halo 1, 2, 3, and ODST had it pretty right in terms of modern warfare
    >not much cannon fodder, muhreens are actually generally painted to be pretty competent
    >basically an afghanistan-esque situation where SOF were doing most of the heavy lifting
    >in a perpetual state of "can we really afford to spare that and potentially lose it for the mission?"
    >ONI basically becomes a modern version of well-armed guerilla insurgents for a bit and most focus is centered around network-centric warfare and force multiplication

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reach was the best in terms of realism imo

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >War doesn't immediately end when the faction shown on screen turning continents back into lava achieves orbital superiority
        >Let's just ram their artillery with 200 warthogs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Covenant wouldn't glass planets if they believed there were Forerunner artifacts on it, which would force a ground invasion. They would do that for the obvious religious purposes with the Prophets wanting it done so that they could harness the power from the ancient alien civilization. Most battles during the human Covenant war were space based, it was only when they believed artifacts to be on a planet would there be a battle, where the UNSC proved rather resilient, forcing the Covenant to usually win via the American method of just mass producing a shit ton more military units then the enemy has. In regards to the realism of ground based combat, the UNSC isn't that bad in terms of their design and organization. It makes sense to have Warthogs for example be heavily used since it would be inefficient to send massive armored forces across interstellar distances. So as an economy of force decision, most ground based UNSC forces; apart from UNSC army forces that were already on a planet during a Covenant invasion, ended up being UNSC Marines which primarily consisted of light infantry and motorized infantry because you can simply fit more humans and light vehicles into troop transports than tanks.

          It also lends credence to the super soldiers as being another economy of force saving. Having essentially one man in power armor have the equivalent fighting capabilities of an entire companies worth to even battalions worth of infantry.

          It also helps too that Halo during its earlier design phases was initially supposed to be a RTS game which is the reason why the vehicles weapons and equipment have so much thought put into them to an autistic degree when a normal military space FPS would just slap some deviant art tier assets together and call it a day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            >>War doesn't immediately end when the faction shown on screen turning continents back into lava achieves orbital superiority

            They still had groundside MAC cannons and a good portion of the UNSC fleet there, they just glossed over it in the game for some reason. Probably because the Long Night of Solace mission was a b***h to make and they didn't want to do another space setpiece.

            The first three games were good about portraying the war realistically, reach was a joke.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              > reach was a joke.

              So which variety of homosexual are you:

              A) The autistic virgin still screeching 14 years later that the game contradicted a tie in book's description of Halsey's hair

              or

              B) The loser who got filtered by reticle bloom and still hasn't gotten over it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Sg6nhKY.png

          The Covenant wouldn't glass planets if they believed there were Forerunner artifacts on it, which would force a ground invasion. They would do that for the obvious religious purposes with the Prophets wanting it done so that they could harness the power from the ancient alien civilization. Most battles during the human Covenant war were space based, it was only when they believed artifacts to be on a planet would there be a battle, where the UNSC proved rather resilient, forcing the Covenant to usually win via the American method of just mass producing a shit ton more military units then the enemy has. In regards to the realism of ground based combat, the UNSC isn't that bad in terms of their design and organization. It makes sense to have Warthogs for example be heavily used since it would be inefficient to send massive armored forces across interstellar distances. So as an economy of force decision, most ground based UNSC forces; apart from UNSC army forces that were already on a planet during a Covenant invasion, ended up being UNSC Marines which primarily consisted of light infantry and motorized infantry because you can simply fit more humans and light vehicles into troop transports than tanks.

          It also lends credence to the super soldiers as being another economy of force saving. Having essentially one man in power armor have the equivalent fighting capabilities of an entire companies worth to even battalions worth of infantry.

          It also helps too that Halo during its earlier design phases was initially supposed to be a RTS game which is the reason why the vehicles weapons and equipment have so much thought put into them to an autistic degree when a normal military space FPS would just slap some deviant art tier assets together and call it a day.

          >>War doesn't immediately end when the faction shown on screen turning continents back into lava achieves orbital superiority

          They still had groundside MAC cannons and a good portion of the UNSC fleet there, they just glossed over it in the game for some reason. Probably because the Long Night of Solace mission was a b***h to make and they didn't want to do another space setpiece.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/Sg6nhKY.png

          The Covenant wouldn't glass planets if they believed there were Forerunner artifacts on it, which would force a ground invasion. They would do that for the obvious religious purposes with the Prophets wanting it done so that they could harness the power from the ancient alien civilization. Most battles during the human Covenant war were space based, it was only when they believed artifacts to be on a planet would there be a battle, where the UNSC proved rather resilient, forcing the Covenant to usually win via the American method of just mass producing a shit ton more military units then the enemy has. In regards to the realism of ground based combat, the UNSC isn't that bad in terms of their design and organization. It makes sense to have Warthogs for example be heavily used since it would be inefficient to send massive armored forces across interstellar distances. So as an economy of force decision, most ground based UNSC forces; apart from UNSC army forces that were already on a planet during a Covenant invasion, ended up being UNSC Marines which primarily consisted of light infantry and motorized infantry because you can simply fit more humans and light vehicles into troop transports than tanks.

          It also lends credence to the super soldiers as being another economy of force saving. Having essentially one man in power armor have the equivalent fighting capabilities of an entire companies worth to even battalions worth of infantry.

          It also helps too that Halo during its earlier design phases was initially supposed to be a RTS game which is the reason why the vehicles weapons and equipment have so much thought put into them to an autistic degree when a normal military space FPS would just slap some deviant art tier assets together and call it a day.

          It's explained in Reach logs that 'glassing a planet' is a Covenant meme
          It takes their largest ships absurd amounts of time to glass even a single continent as they basically have to lawnmower across the landmass over and over again, time in which these extremely costly assets are doing fricking nothing but making a statement
          It did happen a few times because the Covenant were just that autistic, but it was more of a propaganda / religious thing and not a practical attack plan.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >FORCE marines train in full-immersion VR, taking part in every major historical battle including Agincourt, Kursk, etc
    >each individual soldier carries enough firepower to level skyscrapers, shoot down satellites, or snipe someone through a mountain

    >military mostly used to engage in "bushido"-style, media-friendly combat with rebels
    >full scale warfare involves crawling forward under forcefields while nukes explode above your head every few seconds and your armor struggles to disperse bone-melting heat

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And then there's the Pax Swiss Guard.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >another starship troopers thread

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a good book. Back in Basic the Course Officer told us it should be required reading when you join the military.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sadly, most people who talk about Starship Troopers have never read the book, especially when they talk about the book. I had coworkers try to convince me that Heinlein made the entire thing a Nazi analogy.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's a good book.

        all i got from it is that Heinlein is really really really proud to be a veteran and that soldiers are the best people in the world.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >create a new type of artificial liquid muscle that can give machines a human range of motions
    >its only downside is that its dangerously flammable and any rupture will cause it to blow up like a bomb
    >its main use is in thinly armored military machines crewed by expendable schmucks

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >im sure to pwn the libs with THIS!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You answered so yes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's nothing liberal about BLM or Antifa, though I wonder why you would defend those degenerates.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You answered so yes.

        https://i.imgur.com/dg9tiRu.png

        >gotcha-ism just because someone tangentially defended democracy
        >someone defending democracy is automatically a BLM/antifa supporter

        man were not even properly into election season yet

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Are you mentally ill, or something? I mean, who the hell are you arguing with?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He's right in his statement and you're feigning ignorance.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hey you could easily have resolved this by posting your gun with timestamp, instead you chose to out yourself as someone who doesn't belong here.

          He's right in his statement and you're feigning ignorance.

          The nogun is never right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In the time ive been on this site i have never once seen a disputed solved by someone posting guns. the challenger always just moves goalposts or tries to change the subject.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You haven't been here long.
              Post gun simply shuts down 99% of raiding cross posting gays, because they have no gun. It doesn't matter that 1% has a gun, it's an incredible filter.
              Literally all you have to do to cut out most homosexuals is ignore anyone without a gun, then tolerate the tiny fraction of homosexuals with guns.
              It literally doesn't matter what the challenger says after you post your gun. You should actively hope they don't post their gun, because then you instantly win the argument and everyone knows it.
              If they actually post their gun after challenging you, that's bad because you have to go back to arguing on equal terms.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                All this sounds like is a pointless ad hom, no one wins. The poster has to do work and the accuser can just frick off with no real consequence.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Filter out almost all homosexuals
                >"No one wins"
                You're the reason our filter is so effective, homosexual.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Who is being filtered? Its not like they get banned for not posting a gun. Were all anonymous, are you assuming people are going to be bullied off anonymously?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Who is being filtered?
                All the homosexuals who are summarily known to be wrong and outsiders, when they refuse to post their gun.

                >Its not like they get banned for not posting a gun. Were all anonymous, are you assuming people are going to be bullied off anonymously?
                Jesus you're REALLY new.

                It's a signal that no one has to take you, or your arguments, seriously. We all just laugh at you from that point on, ignoring your pathetic nogun words.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              The person refusing to post guns is usually always wrong. If they do not have a firearm their word is less valuable because they cannot back up their statement with the ultimate force: violence. All political power is derived from their capability to commit violence.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                What a moronic (and incorrect) explanation. 'Post guns' has historically been when someone says some noguns-ass shit, like implying a mini-14 kicks less than an AR or recommending a korth when someone asks for revolver recommendaions.

                It only became the stupid ad hom attack it is today AFTER PrepHole got big in the 2010s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I was quoting the movie but it’s still applicable in filtering out European and underage morons

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >starship troopers isnt about fascism!
    >but it should have been!

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    late 20s dudes taking up the boomer mantle of obsessing over commies is so moronic

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What do you even expect when you have Soviet revanchism being a serious driver of geopolitics now? Go back to r/chapotr-- oh, wait, you can't. Maybe if lefty gays weren't constantly running gayops from their discords and other walled off circlejerks everyone wouldn't hate them.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Up right down down down

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >moronic leftists INSIST that Helldivers is actually grim dark dystopia satire (the thread)
    Frick off and die

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Heinlein was right. But only if the whole society is transformed by force into 100% war footing.

    He was actually not a crayon kinda man. Read Moon is a Harsh mistress for proof.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t bother. The people who call the starship troopers book “fascist” have never read it, and they aren’t going to bother reading anything else by Heinlein. MiaHM is GOATED though, great read

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    You arent fooling anyone, dude. You're basically saying the other anon is lying because he paraphrased.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nice Metal Gear mod

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty sure the Japanese fessed up a lot of documents after WW2

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To anyone saying they can just glass everything from orbit:
    >visibility is often shit
    >bugs can just burrow underground so you need Helldivers to draw them out
    >for all you know they do bombard every mission area prior to landing and you're just finishing the job
    >morale purposes as explained earlier ITT
    Also four man teams may be dumb but consider that stealth is often an important part of missions, and four guys are ideal for this (Navy SEALs, etc)
    Also I don't actually care cause it's just a dumb fun game

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>for all you know they do bombard every mission area prior to landing and you're just finishing the job
      Considering the lack of craters the amount of living plants and standing structures, they definitely don't.
      >Also I don't actually care cause it's just a dumb fun game
      But you do, cause you came up with reasons instead of just saying that from the start?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Considering the lack of craters the amount of living plants and standing structures
        Presumably they prefer using less destructive methods when possible since they want to occupy the planets they conquer. You get to blow shit up because you're precisely targeting it.
        >But you do, cause you came up with reasons
        Yeah, because it's fun. I'm just saying this shouldn't affect your enjoyment of the game.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>for all you know they do bombard every mission area prior to landing and you're just finishing the job
      Considering the lack of craters the amount of living plants and standing structures, they definitely don't.
      >Also I don't actually care cause it's just a dumb fun game
      But you do, cause you came up with reasons instead of just saying that from the start?

      >Considering the lack of craters the amount of living plants and standing structures, they definitely don't.
      Black person, there's dozens of UXO Hellbombs, hundreds of craters and several crashed Eagles scattered over every map you play on. What are you talking about?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >UXO Hellbombs
        >The thought never occurred to me that the scattered Hellbombs are UXO's and were just funny random hellbombs to shoot and kill enemies with
        >There are crashed Eagles and Pelicans
        >Usually scattered around Pelican crash sites are samples that fell out of their containers, presumably from previous Helldivers who had their Pelican shot down
        What the frick, this is a war?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >glass everything
      >visibility is often shit
      I don't think you understood the assignment. You're not bombing specific targets. You're shooting at whole grid squares. You can always see the planet to shoot at it. The enemy just happens to be somewhere in those grid squares on that planet. How unfortunate for them. Should've embraced liberty and democracy instead of setting up that illegal broadcast.
      >but bugs can BURROW!
      You're clearly not just shooting enough. Wonder what a bunker buster hellbomb would look like.
      >pre-dive bombardment
      So... why do absolutely none of the planets look anything like Verdun in late 1916 when you show up?
      >muh morale!!!
      Doesn't mean you have to drop on every single possible target. Morale boosting footage of helldivers wrecking bots/bugs could still easily be acquired and there are still ops that would require boots on the ground. The real secret though is nobody dies if you just bomb the piss out of everything from orbit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon allow me to tell you what you do on various missions.
        >Activate auxiliary power and pump fuel to then launch an ICBM at a nearby area, close enough they won't have time to intercept it
        >Rescue and defend high value scientists or civilians while they board an escape shuttle
        >A crashed escape pod in the region contains valuable data, recover it
        >Retrieve and transmit vital research data
        >Pump refined FTL fuel needed for the war effort into shuttles
        >Raise the Super Flag as unassailable beacon of Liberty, (VERY important ok)
        >Conduct a geological survey to identify valuable ore veins

        These all require boots on the ground and flattening the area would effectively be a failed mission. And while a lot of missions could in theory be done by saturation bombing, as one of the ship NPCs says, "a single Stratagem is more expensive than the average Super Earth citizen makes in a year". Sending down some poor saps to act as spotters so you can save some cash on orbital reentry capable artillery shells is better to the Super Earth government.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maps are 2km diameter circles. Slightly less than four grid squares. The enemy targets require a direct hit with heavy ordinance and the walking barrage is only a percentage chance to hit. The 380mm barrage is a saturation in an 75m radius for thirty seconds, and it fails to hit targets a lot.

        They're a spec ops team to recon and destroy literally anywhere. The part where they're 18yo volunteers with a few minutes of training doesn't negate that they've been playing VR videogames their entire lives.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >World is so fricked by back to back world ending events population is hovering around 2 billion
    >Everyone builds mostly autonomous bots to fill in the gap.
    >Haphazardly slap together fighting forces to keep WW3 going
    >Struggle to keep super xeno tibirium aids from fricking up humans assigned to direct droids
    >Get ass handed to them by PMC operating the equivalent of armed room as and sex bots.
    Where they just moronic?

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw ywn die horrifically while fighting for humanity against genocidal aliens and the spore of what is essentially a corrupted god devouring the entire galaxy

    Feels bad mane

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    October 2001 to August 2021. 1,922 of these deaths were the result of hostile action. 20,769 American servicemembers were also wounded. 1:10 KIA:WIA didn't look up what wounded ment.

    If you want a view of the present, the ukrainians use an ipad connected over an encrypted data radio to send and receive intel as well as call in artillery.

    The Russians have similar. It is a university undergraduate level project to make this system.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just a note about the raid on the Skinnies I haven't seen anyone else mention: the MI dropping on the Skinnies is 100% to put the Skinny government on notice and not actually (just) to inflict mass civilian casualties.
    >This could have been a lot worse. Stop fricking with us.
    Rico even has a bomb that loudly announces itself as a bomb in basic Skinny language and starts counting down just for the purpose of causing more panic (and to let some of the civvies scramble out the building).

    The MI drops against the Skinnies aren't purely reprisal attacks. They're a relatively small op more about sending a message to the Skinnies that prosecuting a conflict alongside the bugs is going to end really badly for them if they don't cut it the frick out, and next time the bombs probably won't have a timer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Rico even has a bomb that loudly announces itself as a bomb in basic Skinny language and starts counting down just for the purpose of causing more panic (and to let some of the civvies scramble out the building).
      >
      >The MI drops against the Skinnies aren't purely reprisal attacks. They're a relatively small op more about sending a message to the Skinnies that prosecuting a conflict alongside the bugs is going to end really badly for them if they don't cut it the frick out, and next time the bombs probably won't have a timer.
      You're describing a mission to cause mass civilian casualties, moron. They fire nukes at random in a city and use flamethrowers. They are the definition of reprisal attacks, and the end goal of getting them to surrender doesn't change that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just love this thread
        >ST is shit because *reasons*
        >No, no, no, just look at all the war crimes. Pretty awesome huh?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's not even shit, it's a good book about power armour - worse than Forever War, but that's fine to be worse than - with a society that people feel compelled to defend using their headcanons for no clear reason I can see

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