Feint?

Ukraine can knock those aside. Russia can't spare any reinforcements, they gotta hold Kherson.

I feel like for now it might just be risky as fuck to spread the frontline across Mariupol and the west front. That's a hell of a risk of enemy counter.
It's a really awkward position to be in.

The Russians are trapped at Kherson. They can threaten Melitopol and Kherson at the same time. Keep the Russians pinned at Kherson.

Call me a doomer but I don't see how they can capture Crimea. There's only like 3 ways of entering that peninsula and they're both tight as fuck and super exposed. Donbabwe militia armed with sticks could hold in Armyansk.

Crimea is a long-term goal. Save that for last.

That region is basically an open steppe. There's only just a few key point towns and 1.5 logistic lines, cut it off and everything west would be living on half amount of supplies with huge reroute trough crimea, take Melitopol and you can endanger even that route, leaving not only right bank of dnipro off supplies, but all russians in whole kherson region.
It's quite of a pickle for russians considering they don't have the man to spare for defence.

Once the bridge is blown the russians will flee

By boats or swimming

They will PONTOOOON across the azov sea.

The Black Sea

>effectively blockade the peninsula (without a navy, just using missles)
Is there any actual precedent for a missile blockade? Usually what you do is intercept any merchant vessel with a fleet vessel and force them to change course, or at least lay mines. It's much more likely someone's going to call your bluff if you just threaten to launch the missiles rather than putting a cruiser in their face.

>1 motorized brigade and 1 battalion

Yeah, that's not enough to stop the Ukrainians emboldened after the rout up North.

You can't hold Kherson if Berdyansk and Melitopol fall. From there you could HIMARS the Kerch strait bridge and Crimean isthmus respectively, and you lose the land corridor.

>Both Ukranians and Russians aren't used to that style at all.
Its literally just soviet deep battle though

We've all been with Redis and his men since the beginning. I think I'll cry when they take it back. Never forget the Marines, Police, and Azov that made those vatmorons pay.

Do you seriously think the Russians left anyone who defied them that hard alive?

They 'can', but the question is if they do or don't. We're talking hypotheticals. And furthermore, we don't know if Kherson was as badly managed as the northern front. I'm leaning towards it having more layers of leadership, just in case.

Trust me, it's the most important front in the entire war. If Ukraine captures Crimea, it's ogre.

I'd cum gallons, but it's more likely we see Mariupol sieged or the rail lines cut with artillery, a long slow drive to Kherson, and then finally Crimea gets besieged when the bridge is blown and Ukraine basically just waits for the whole peninsula to starve.

Every single human on Earth is 3 days away from death without water, 3 weeks away from death without food, and at minimum 30 minutes away from death by cold. Every single human, no bullets or warfare involved. Siege Crimea, starve them out. The difficulty in entering the peninsula is an advantage, not a disadvantage.

Honestly just offer to let the traitors in Crimea flee to Russia. Tell them Ukraine cannot tolerate the presence of traitors anymore. If they cannot be loyal to Ukraine, they must leave.

Clear-cut ultimatum. Exile or oblivion. Make a choice.

Indeed. The Crimean Russians are only loyal to Russia because they weren't bombed to hell by Russia (unlike Eastern Ukraine; where ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, and Separatists were shamelessly conscripted to die).

>Literally just advooonce
I doubt it too, but potentially if shit goes to hell with full on military collapses, stuff start getting crazy.
If you only have people who just routed from Kherson to defend, and then Ukraine starts fucking airforce bombing the fuck out of positions (While losing some I can imagine) they might just automatically abandoon.
You could potentially sneak whole BTGs through to Crimea pretending to be Russian and make it crazy

>You could potentially sneak whole BTGs through to Crimea pretending to be Russian and make it crazy
How do you do fellow ABANDOONERS?

>Russia's true objective, they want permanent access to the Black Sea.
I never understood this autism. Russia does have permanent access to the Blacl Sea. I've been to Novorossiysk, Anapa, Sochi, etc many time. Okay I'll grang Anapa and Sochi are no place that could handle large naval force but Novorossiysk absolutely can and, in fact, alteady does. You could have based the entire Black Sea Fleet (pre-Russia getting half of it sunk) easily with just a little dredging and development.

Honest to God I think their Crimea autism is still legit 90% based on lingering Crimean War butthurt.

Peter the great was a mistake. He infected us with the naval autism, which Russia subsequently never became good at

Russians didn't exist before 2014? Tall tale

Russians have been cursing Ukrainians and Khruschyov since the day he gave the Ukrainian SSR ownership of Crimea.
Throughout all the 90s and 2000s Russians just couldn't have conversations with Ukrainians without blaming them for "stealing Crimea".

In the 1700s, the Ottoman Empire was collapsing and the Russian Empire expanding. In 1783, Russia annexed the Crimean Khanate. This marked the beginning of the Russian domination over the Ottomans and the Black Sea.
Sevastopol is also the best warm water port of all former soviet republics.

Now later there was the Crimean war.
Leo Tolstoy served during the siege of Sevastopol and later based War and Peace on his impressions. Russia’s first-ever feature film was "Defense of Sevastopol".

The Island has an importance as a huge tourist resort and the only wine producing region of Russia (historically, no one cares about Krasnodar wine)

Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954 to seal the Russian-Ukrainian friendship, so when Ukraine moved West in 2014, they wanted their gift back, like getting your engagement ring back after you get cucked.

There are other reasons, like that it's full of ethnic Russians, offshore oil and gas fields, a lot of Russian maritime trade used to leave from there, etc.

Abkhazian fingers typed this.

Ask for your abkhazian passport at the nearest puccian embassy.

In the 1700s, the Ottoman Empire was collapsing and the Russian Empire expanding. In 1783, Russia annexed the Crimean Khanate. This marked the beginning of the Russian domination over the Ottomans and the Black Sea.
Sevastopol is also the best warm water port of all former soviet republics.

Now later there was the Crimean war.
Leo Tolstoy served during the siege of Sevastopol and later based War and Peace on his impressions. Russia’s first-ever feature film was "Defense of Sevastopol".

The Island has an importance as a huge tourist resort and the only wine producing region of Russia (historically, no one cares about Krasnodar wine)

Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954 to seal the Russian-Ukrainian friendship, so when Ukraine moved West in 2014, they wanted their gift back, like getting your engagement ring back after you get cucked.

There are other reasons, like that it's full of ethnic Russians, offshore oil and gas fields, a lot of Russian maritime trade used to leave from there, etc.

the late Queen Elizabeth II drank Crimean wine at Christmas every year until it was seized in 2014
I still have a bottle; its past its peak and is shit now because I got it in 2013. but I think I will finally crack it this year

It is. From rich Russians with secondary residence, to Russian administratives and families of sailors in Sevastopol. Not to forget the ocean of glowies living there.

In the 1700s, the Ottoman Empire was collapsing and the Russian Empire expanding. In 1783, Russia annexed the Crimean Khanate. This marked the beginning of the Russian domination over the Ottomans and the Black Sea.
Sevastopol is also the best warm water port of all former soviet republics.

Now later there was the Crimean war.
Leo Tolstoy served during the siege of Sevastopol and later based War and Peace on his impressions. Russia’s first-ever feature film was "Defense of Sevastopol".

The Island has an importance as a huge tourist resort and the only wine producing region of Russia (historically, no one cares about Krasnodar wine)

Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954 to seal the Russian-Ukrainian friendship, so when Ukraine moved West in 2014, they wanted their gift back, like getting your engagement ring back after you get cucked.

There are other reasons, like that it's full of ethnic Russians, offshore oil and gas fields, a lot of Russian maritime trade used to leave from there, etc.

To be fair, the Crimean Khanate was a state whose entire economy revolved around the slave trade, while the entire culture of Crimean Tartars revolved around being slavers, going on raids and selling captives to Middle Eastern traders as chattel slaves. If there's ONE good thing Russia has ever done it's destroying the Crimean Khanate.

Yes, but it can be fixed

I think conferences and peace treaties are named after the city they're located in rather than the geographic location.

>Crimea was given to Ukraine in 1954 to seal the Russian-Ukrainian friendship
It was given to ukraine because they are tied geographically and so it simplifies logistics, infrastructure and administration significantly, no one thought about political implications, not present, nor future because no one could assume that Ukraine and Russia ever would cease to be the parts of the same entity at the time. Cope with "present" is just a common mytho to justifie claims.

>full of ethnic Russians
Is it?

Yes, it is, russians put much work into ethnically cleansing it multiple times.

Best part of the war is that Turkey did in fact close the Bisphorus, thus proving that the Black Sea at the end of the day is just a glorified lake.

Most Russians along with Putin think that the collapse of the USSR was the “was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”. That's why Gorbachev is so hated and demonized in Russia. In the Russian mindset, they lost everything and were taken advantage of and raped by the West in their moment of weakness.

Not really, Kherson is supposed to be the first step to retake Odesa. Their foothold beyond the Dnipro on their way to Odesa. That's why the city is so symbolic to them and why losing it will drive them absolutely crazy.
Not only Odesa will definitively be out of reach, but Crimea will be threatened.

crimea used to be a big holiday destination during soviet times. regaining exclusive access to somewhere many russians have fond memories of from childhood is a big thing for them. plus in their mind the referendum proved that there are some people out there who actually want to be russian.

Right it would be Alsace-Lorraine tier catastrophe. Too much Russian blood/treasure was spent on Crimea. Every Russian knows this, Putin would be toppled ala Napoleon III if he loses Crimea and then signs a peace treaty with Ukraine.

It would if the republicans had been in power for 30 years and also gradually suffocated the other networks

Sounds like you should hang Murdoch with his own intestines.

That just means it broke the previously unified propaganda system, which is the exact opposite of having a unified propaganda system

Fox is garbage that exists to sell viagra to fat boomers, not an elaborate conspiracy

The Russian people wanted freedom except they trusted in Yeltsin to deliver and he and the Family and the Bankers robbed them blind and left them with Putin.

>return of the commies.
Those commies wouldn't be much different tbh. Power was already in criminal and oligarch (sometimes they were not the same people) hands, crisis was in full swing so no scary soviet army anymore, and they already lost one country so people wouldn't trust in them too much anymore and they wouldn't get nearly the same authority they had. It would be just another south-america tier quasi-socialist shithole.

You're having an online tantrum over someone who has been dead for a milleniun and a half.
Let that sink in.

Projection.

>nooooo everyone who isn't enterntaining my retardation is the one that's mad and projecting!