Failure of communication

>In early December 1944, in the sky above the frozen fields of Netherlands, a RAF Typhoon pilot is on a low altitude free hunt return course after a bombing mission, as his plane still has full ammo on its four 20mm canons.
>Suddently he notices a possible target on the road, a group of men surrounding 2 vehicles they are pushing through a snowy road.
>While turning around to come back on them, he gains a bit of altitude on his turn in preparation for his gun run.
>His eyes glued on the target, he spots clear german markings and the shape of german uniforms and helmets.
>But as he’s lining up on them, he notices an american star on one of the trucks. Just then, a man breaks out from the group and run away as some small fire surrounds him. Throwing himself on the ground, he gives his life to form the X target shape he was taught to signal airplanes to bomb his position. Despites his sacrifice, the british pilot doesn’t shoot and waves his wings to signal his wingman not to shoot either.
>This is how the germans got their hands on all the maps, battleplans and deciphering books for coded communications later found in this truck, in the worst leak of intelligence suffered by the american army on the Western Front.
>In an incredible oversight, the US Army had failed to inform its allies of this last resort X signal, while in most other signal codes in the rest of the world it tends to naturally means Stop or Forbidden.
Picrel is one of the rare exemple of this X signal unknowingly taken by a german photograph after overwhelming a tank position.

With its powerfull engine, the Hawker Typhoon was one of the most successfull low altitude fighter-bomber of WW2, able to bring fear to the german troops with its two 1,000 lbs bombs or 8 RP-3 rockets in addition to its four 20mm Hispano Mk2 cannons.
Do you know of other exemples of dramatic failure in communication? The Battle of Tsushima comes to mind.

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Charge of the light brigade

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Neat, got a source for this? Sounds like you got it from a book.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It was revealed to me in a dream as i was waking up at 1 p.m. Why?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost certainly bullshit and OP contradicts himself.
      >US never informed allies
      >pic is of a Soviet BT series tank

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >>In an incredible oversight, the US Army had failed to inform its allies of this last resort X signal, while in most other signal codes in the rest of the world it tends to naturally means Stop or Forbidden.
    Why would anyone ever think an X implies approval or targeting? It's the most natural symbol you could make for denying something, passage or otherwise.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The US Army is not lead by the brightests. They still force their soldiers to dance the YMCA to this days.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >youtube prepper schizo brent
        please tell me that you are not subscribed to that shill anon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No, i’m not subed, it was the second video on youtube when searching for US Army hand signals.
          He crazy?

          >Picrel is one of the rare exemple of this X signal unknowingly taken by a german photograph after overwhelming a tank position.
          Weird that Americans are crewing Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front

          I know, right? War is crazy like that. It probably was a russian tank captured by the germans and refielded on the western front, where it was killed in the action this photo was taken of, or it was captured by americans and fielded back against germans by an american crew.
          It’s the most logical explanation, if this truly is a russian tank (I trust you).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Adidas stripes were not relevant to this time period. Neither were white sneakers. I fact I think one of them is my dad.

            Photo is larp.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Is your dad Estonian? Cause that T34 with german markings was pulled out of a swamp in the 2000s.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, 65 years in a swamp and it just rolls out. German tech is something else.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                It’s russian.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >oh no goy don’t watch the guy training you to be infantrymen and how to conduct guerilla warfare
          >watch troonys mod their 10.5 ar’s instead
          Tough day at the dod shill farm?

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >December 1944, in the sky above the frozen fields of Netherlands,
    >bt5
    Im calling BS

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      The X is such a normal shape for someone laying on the ground, for dead bodies or easily mistaken for the prone position like picrel.
      Burger officers are such morons.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Us soldier with mg42 there?

        Nice.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Picrel is one of the rare exemple of this X signal unknowingly taken by a german photograph after overwhelming a tank position.
      Weird that Americans are crewing Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front

      Yeah if OP's pic is real I want to know the story behind it.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Picrel is one of the rare exemple of this X signal unknowingly taken by a german photograph after overwhelming a tank position.
    Weird that Americans are crewing Soviet tanks on the Eastern Front

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Do you know of other exemples of dramatic failure in communication?
    Your awesome story immediately reminded me of this:
    There was a Japanese pilot who tried to defect with a Zero before the allies really knew about them. Even more so his aircraft carried a Long Lance torpedo which he hoped to supply to the allies to inform them about that deadly weapon. But when he approached the Chinese airfield he was going for the badly trained Chinese soldiers didnt recognize him waggling his wings three times (the accepted move for an aerial surrender at the time) and thought he was going to attack. That is how he got shot down, if not the US could have learned both of the Zero and Long Lance before the war even started.
    Pic related is a picture of his downed Zero which an Italian photographer took, not knowing what he was documenting.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >nip defector

      Weird, you really don't see many of those

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah it is very rare, but it is very well documented on this German site: absoluter-bloedsinn.de/keinwahrheitsgehalt/zero/, dunno if it is still accesible.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The myth of japanese soldiers never surrendering and fighting to the death is a cover up story to hide the regular execution of japanese POWs by the American soldiers.
        For exemple, one Private manage to capture over a thousand japanese soldiers by himself, just because he wasn’t a brainwashed racist piece of shit as he was raised by a very friendly japanese neighbor when he was a kid. And he was reprimanded for it and he had to break direct orders not to do it, when he came back every night with more japanese POWs.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Gabaldon

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Eat my ass moron.
          From your own link
          >Author Gerald A. Meehl in interviews with Saipan veterans and in other records, found reports of abusive behavior by Gabaldon towards Japanese civilians and soldiers he encountered on Saipan. In one instance, witnessed by Sheeks, Gabaldon struck and broke the jaw of an elderly Japanese civilian who did not answer one of Gabaldon's questions quickly enough.[
          >In the book, One Marine's War: A Combat Interpreter's Quest for Mercy in the Pacific by Gerald A. Meehl, about USMC Japanese Language Officer Lt. Robert B. Sheeks, who also served on Saipan, Gabaldon is described by Sheeks as a relentless self-promoter who grossly exaggerated his exploits on Saipan and Tinian and that most of the Japanese he captured were civilians, not soldiers as he claimed. The book states that the number of Japanese captured by Gabaldon was likely about half of the 1,500 that he claimed. A total of 15,000 Japanese military and civilians and Pacific Islanders were captured or detained by the US during and after the battle. Many others besides Gabaldon were involved in those efforts, but according to Sheeks, Gabaldon minimized the involvement of others when talking about his exploits during and after the battle

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Wikipedia is not reliable, and obviously war criminals would bad mouth a hero that makes them look bad.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Easy to publish a bunch of bullshit years after the guy you slander is dead and buried.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >links wikipedia

          Eat my ass moron.
          From your own link
          >Author Gerald A. Meehl in interviews with Saipan veterans and in other records, found reports of abusive behavior by Gabaldon towards Japanese civilians and soldiers he encountered on Saipan. In one instance, witnessed by Sheeks, Gabaldon struck and broke the jaw of an elderly Japanese civilian who did not answer one of Gabaldon's questions quickly enough.[
          >In the book, One Marine's War: A Combat Interpreter's Quest for Mercy in the Pacific by Gerald A. Meehl, about USMC Japanese Language Officer Lt. Robert B. Sheeks, who also served on Saipan, Gabaldon is described by Sheeks as a relentless self-promoter who grossly exaggerated his exploits on Saipan and Tinian and that most of the Japanese he captured were civilians, not soldiers as he claimed. The book states that the number of Japanese captured by Gabaldon was likely about half of the 1,500 that he claimed. A total of 15,000 Japanese military and civilians and Pacific Islanders were captured or detained by the US during and after the battle. Many others besides Gabaldon were involved in those efforts, but according to Sheeks, Gabaldon minimized the involvement of others when talking about his exploits during and after the battle

          >wikipedia doesn't say what you think it does

          Wikipedia is not reliable, and obviously war criminals would bad mouth a hero that makes them look bad.

          >wikipedia isn't a reliable source bro
          Pottery.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Weird, you really don't see many of those
        Naturally, you wouldn't defect if the other side shot the defectors down

        https://i.imgur.com/WJkVcHu.jpg

        The X is such a normal shape for someone laying on the ground, for dead bodies or easily mistaken for the prone position like picrel.
        Burger officers are such morons.

        Americans won the war, despite their leader's valiant efforts.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Pic related is a picture of his downed Zero
      >tail swastika
      naw bro

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Swastika is a pretty common symbol in Japan, ignorant and uncultured Burger.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not as an identifier on military aircraft moron

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe the japanese pilot painted this buddhist symbol of peace on his tail to signal his pacific intention to surrender. It seems pretty logical.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          maybe so, but I bet the FW-190 wasn't so common

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The KMT where allied with the Nazis at the time so they used to paint Swastikas on downed planes to honour their German allies. It is a Chinese tradition called 我编造的废话.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >我编造的废话
          im not falling for that 骗子

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            But it is actually true. There is even reports of downed Zeros mysteriously transforming into FW190s via esoteric Bhuddist rituals. American spies actually learned of that and used this later in the war to make US tanks look like Soviet BT-5.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >mfw land Stuka and it turns into a Bf 109

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Stuka turns into Bf109
                Sounds like a pretty good trade for the pilot.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >>mfw land Stuka and it turns into a Bf 109
                >It flips and cartwheels since the pilot is unfamiliar with the narrow undercarriage, instantly killing the pilot and leaving the poor gunner that somehow got stuffed into the rear fuselage of the Bf-109 with no way of getting out to burn in the wreck.
                Unfortunate, very sad.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you've in turn reminded me of a tale from the falklands war.

      >several times in late April 1982 Argentine Air Force Mirage IIIs and Royal Navy Sea Harriers have encountered each other on CAP but the Mirages kept far enough away to avoid a dogfight
      >on the night of April 30th 1982 a Vulcan bomber strikes Port Stanley airfield with 21x 1000lb bombs after flying 6,660 nautical miles to the target
      >at dawn on May 1st Sea Harriers from 800 NAS perform an alpha strike on Port Stanley attacking the apron and revetments with rockets and cluster munitions
      >both these raids manage to avoid any major damage from Argentine army 30mm AAA
      >while this shit is happening 2 Mirage IIIs try again to shoot down British CAP again
      >They accidentally get too close and end up in the merge with 2 Sea Harriers from 801 NAS
      >after a very short dogfight the lead harrier gets behind one of the mirages and shoots it down with a Sidewinder
      >the remaining mirage dips out at full burner and disappears into a cloud but one of the harriers sends a sidewinder after him which unknown to them proximity fuses near the mirage causing severe damage including knocking out the radio
      >the Mirage limps back to the now burning port stanley and announces his intention to land by flying over the airfield while wiggling his wings
      >once he is clear of the runway he jettisons his ordinance and starts turning to land
      >the army gunners on the ground think the air to air missiles he just dumped are more bombs from the British and before the poor pilot is finished his base turn his own side have shot him down and killed him.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Ever noticed how AA is only good at downing their own aircrafts, like the Patriots in the Gulf Wars and as demonstrated nowaday in Russia?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      FW190 ?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        read the thread, its a 我编造的废话 zero

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I tried to pick something that at least doesn't look completely unlike Zero. Quite unlike OP's "pic-related".

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I don’t understand your problem, it’s a pretty good historical exemple of a human making the X signal shape by laying on the ground.
          Do you prefer this more contemporary one?
          It’s sooooo weird that there’s not more photo evidence from pilots just wiping out their Iphones when encountering the very rare instance of overruned american infantry using the X signal to order close air support on their position...

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          [...]
          also the story is absolute bullcrap that I made up if that wasn't absolutely obvious with stuff like a Zero carrying a Long Lance.

          Never back out on a troll job like this anon, it looks weak. Let the bait sit.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I know, but in the end I would feel bad if somebody actually believed it and tried to pass it on as historical fact.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              No that's part of the fun, I was involved with some of the pre-Qanon stuff that got people reeled in to the idea of morons on PrepHole leaking stuff and it's still hilarious when it pops up.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                im still weirded out by being in those threads where the Q larp started and next thing i know its in the mainsteam with boomer talking about it and im just like wtf happened? how? when?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Oh same. I'm disgusted that morons took it from an inside joke of sorts to what it is now. That being said NSA/GCHQ posting and having morons believe it was the best.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I get the fun behind it, and it is always astonishing how gullible and uninformed people actually are, but apparently when it comes to history I just cant bring myself to see it through.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I tried to pick something that at least doesn't look completely unlike Zero. Quite unlike OP's "pic-related".

        also the story is absolute bullcrap that I made up if that wasn't absolutely obvious with stuff like a Zero carrying a Long Lance.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    (OP)
    Laconia Incident
    >september '42, south atlantic
    >Uboat torpedos what it thought was a troop ship
    >oh frick it was Italian POWs and british families from evacuating Egypt
    >uboat surfaces, assists lifeboats
    >entire wolfpack sent to assist, signal the british who dispatch warships to assist
    american freedom bomber arrives
    >informed of the situation via radio by the british, observes lifeboats and giant red cross flag
    >radios american base for instructions
    bomb the sub
    >bombs the sub, kills a lot of survivors. sub forced to dive
    >more american bombers arrive and kill more survivors
    This ended the era when uboats would provide aid to survivors.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      burgermutts are a blight

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Truly. They pinned medals on them for bombing lifeboats.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    1471 – During the Battle of Barnet a Lancastrian force under the Earl of Oxford was fired on by the Lancastrian centre while returning from a pursuit; their banner, Oxford's “star with rays” had been mistaken for the Yorkist “sun in splendour”. This gave rise to cries of treachery (always a possibility in that chaotic period), Lancastrian morale collapsed, and the battle was lost.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >a Lancastrian force under the Earl of Oxford was fired on by the Lancastrian centre
      Kek treacherous anglos really can’t help themselves, amiright?

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    am i losing it or does this sound entirely made up? I can't pin exactly why but the details all feel off somehow and it just doesn't make sense to me.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I'm starting to think this whole thread is a failure of communication

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        welcome to the internet, enjoy your stay.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I just can’t stop laughing at the idea of US soldiers running to german machinegun nets and ploping on the ground to draw target signs for airplanes to shoot at them.
      It’s sounds so stupid it’s probably historicaly real.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >shoot American soldier
        >he drops dead and forms an X shape
        >B-17s home in on your position

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Napoleon about to get his ass kicked at Leipzig
    >suddenly Poniatowski arrives with unexpected Polish reinforcements
    >Napoleon so happy he promotes him to field marshal on the spot
    >tells Poniatowski to cover the French army as it retreats across a bridge
    >the Poles successfully hold off the Coalition forces as the French cross the river
    >begin withdrawing in good order to cross the bridge themselves
    >French sappers panic thinking the Poles are pursuing Coalition forces and blow up the bridge before they can cross
    >Poles get massacred

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Fuchida's bullshit story about how his frickup at Pearl Harbor totally wasn't his fault comes to mind
    >enroute to Pearl Harbor, Japs realize they have no attack plan if they're spotted early
    >current attack plan: torpedo bombers go in first, dive bombers circle overhead
    >quickly brainstorm the "no surprise" attack plan
    >dive bombers will attack first to "distract" the AA gunners before the torpedo bombers go in
    >commander, Fuchida, will signal via flares what attack pattern to go with
    >1 flare = surprise
    >2 flare = no surprise
    >Japanese planes get to final waypoint, time to decide
    >Fuchida pops one flare for surprise
    >waits a bit, dive bombers and escort fighters are not reacting
    >figures they missed the flare, fires another
    >having seen two flares, dive bombers charge in
    >ruins the surprise element
    >gives US precious minutes to ready AA guns
    Of course, this whole story was a lie made up to cover his ass, because the details don't line up. How convient that he presented this story at a time when most anyone who would contradict him were dead.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Not exactly the same kind of situation, but I can’t helpto be reminded of blue on blue accidents involving trigger happy A10s like:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/190th_Fighter_Squadron,_Blues_and_Royals_friendly_fire_incident

    Especially the misindentification of orange IFF markings as ”orange rockets”.
    I hope NATO integration and standardisation has progressed since then and those blue on blue incidents will become rarer.
    I wonder how the Ukrainian jets and hinds manage to fly without being constantly shot down by their own paranoid AA.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They do get shot down, a helicopter carrying some Ukrainian officials got shot down by an S-300 battery over Kiev a few months back

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        holy get

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    It probably didn't even happen but it's a fun one, fairly well known as well.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes

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