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AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle". Also, the AK is better suited for a general issue military rifle due to how little maintenance it needs.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok now shoot it full auto for a thousand rounds, then do it again forever.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thé US mostly uses red dots and irons only as backups.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We do not and never have mostly used red dots. The Acog was always more widely issued, and now infantry are using LPVO.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >What is a CompM4?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >What is a CompM4
          Outdated, deprecated, and overpriced.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And on every unit’s MTOE.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Entirety of United States AirForce Security Forces and a large swathes of Army uses Aimpoint reddots.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle"
    can you elaborate?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Open sights > diopter sights.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AK sights aren't open though. They obscure more of the target and the environment than AR sights.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          they are quite open
          wait, do you use the 440m range setting on your AK sight when you shoot or use the actual range notch ?
          if you use the 440 you can see everything since you need to aim below the target.
          with AR sight you have 2 diopter settings, one is more open that the other, usually past 200 you use the "closed" one to have a better sight picture but you can't really see anything around the target you are aiming at

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you usually use the smaller aperture no matter what on an AR. A1s usually had 2 apertures of the same size off set both on height and slightly on windage because the original M16 sights didn't have a bdc on the rear sight, you were supposed to adjust elevation and windage at a range and then only use the 2 position flip sights based on the distance you were shooting. Some A1 sights do have a larger aperture, but these were exclusively supposed to be used with a tritium glowing front sight as a night sight with the standard aperture being basically a 1 position day time sight with the assumption that anything within point blank range (like 300 meters) the deviation in height wouldn't matter anyway.
            A2 sights were taken off a prototype machine gun at colt by the marines because they wanted target sights for their KD training ranges. the open sight makes more sense on a machine gun and the smaller main battle sight was smaller than the a1 peep. one of the engineers who oversaw the A2 project would later go on to say, probably lie, but say that the intention was either for all A2s to get the night sight front sight or for the rear sight apertures to be replaced with the old A1 apertures. oh and the a2 aperture literally isn't even offset so you technically frick up your windage a little and I don't think it helps with elevation. You can also see with acogs that with a 20 inch AR/M16 you really only need 1 peep position anyway because between 0 and 300 meters your worst part of the arc you would still only be like 4.5 inches high which wouldn't matter if you are aiming center mass anyway

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              The old C8 sights were the GOAT. But there’s something just so comfy about the larger A2 rear sight. I don’t know what it is. But it’s just so perfect.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Open sights is just a generic name.
          I don't really think the AK sights suck myself, it's more of a general ergonomics issue with the buttstock being designed for exactly no one. Putting an adjustable stock on mine (and an RPK rear sight) basically halved my groupings.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ARs aren't really diopter sights, the aperture is too big

        https://i.imgur.com/ZuUX7Ip.jpeg

        AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle". Also, the AK is better suited for a general issue military rifle due to how little maintenance it needs.

        most American soldiers have an optic and are not using iron sights

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ARs aren't really diopter sights, the aperture is too big
          For aperture to work as intended it needs to be smaller than pupil size of the shooter. 0.070" is generally much smaller than shooters pupil.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The "diopter sight effect"[1] is achieved when looking through an aperture opening of approximately 1.2 mm (0.047 in) or less, and happens due to an optical phenomenon (edge effects) resulting in the light passing through being parallelized similar to how a collimated lens would.
            >A rear sight with a larger aperture than 1.2 mm (0.047 in) is not strictly a diopter sight, but nonetheless is still often (incorrectly) referred to as such. With larger aperture sights the shooter must make a conscious effort to center the eye in the rear sight for precise aiming. A true diopter sight (aperture below 1.2 mm)
            the a2 small aperture is 0.065 inches. its why national match rifles have an insert in the rear sight to make it smaller

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Again parallax suppression happens when shooters pupil is larger than rear aperture. M16A2 aperture is small enough for that.
              Boomers blabbering from the year 1997 is irrelevant, boomers have no fricking clue how the world works.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A2 sights are too big to be diopter sights you fricking moron. again go look at actual competition diopter sights, the are all way smaller than the A2 sights. you have no guns and no toilet and no dick

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Oh look! Boomer is blabbering, point and laugh at his stupidity.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you are posting from your phone, you have never owned a gun and you don't have a toilet in your home

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I find it incredibly funny how everyone can see with their own eyes parralax suppression of the aperture sight (just get behind sights and move head side to side, and oh magic wonder! Front sight stays on target, like red dot).
                But no, boomers would be appealing to authority, pissing and shitting themselves, seething, screaming, rolling on the carpet and kicking their feet, do everything instead of just looking with their own eyes.
                Tells you A LOT about boomers.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't say it didn't have a parallax suppressing effect, I said it isn't parallax free and is too big to be a diopter. you have no guns, you have no toilet, you have no dick and you have never even used a peep sight

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's parallax free until aperture completely fits inside eye's pupil.
                Again I found it's hilarious how boomers for centuries refused to look and see see with their own eyes and see magic. Instead they wrote (like you) theological tractates about natural philosophy.
                Just go and see with your fricking eyes!

                Do you even need eyes if you don't use them, boomer?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                you have never shot a gun and you don't own a toilet. there is a reason target shooters sights have a smaller diameter than AR sights

                Implessive
                I'm still 99.99% accurate, though.

                you aren't. you have never shot a gun. you don't have a toilet in your house. you eat curry made by a guy who has not washed his hands this decade

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only thing I see you don't have use for your own eyes.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I posted

                https://i.imgur.com/lonaRqm.png

                [...]

                and

                https://i.imgur.com/uhxtXs8.png

                Hope this helps.

                Pls tell me how I don't understand irons and how my representation of said irons is erroneous.
                I repeat, I believe the A2 rear sight peep sight (aka a diopter) to be superior to the AK pattern rear sight, but there is no reason an AK cannot be shot accurately with irons.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A2 rear sights are too big to be a diopter. diopter is a term for the really small aperture sights used on target rifles based on the wavelength of visible light. not sure if you are an ESL but there is a reason target shooters don't use the default A2 sights and instead add an insert to make the aperture smaller

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It is a diopter sight.
                You can cope, seethe and dilate about the 200 thou I'm off the mark all you want, history doesn't care.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it isn't, diopter sights are smaller. you've never used a gun irl, you don't own a gun or a toilet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Frick off the other anon is right. Post hands and gun right fricking now lmao.

                https://i.imgur.com/ZuUX7Ip.jpeg

                AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle". Also, the AK is better suited for a general issue military rifle due to how little maintenance it needs.

                They're maybe marginally better at very close quarters, however at these ranges you're probably shooting by point/instinct anyway. I'm really not a fan of my AK's irons after shooting AR's for so many years. I feel like an optic on an AK in 7.62 ruins the aesthetic though so I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to get a second AK in 5.45 and put a red dot on it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >aperture sights used on target rifles based on the wavelength of visible light.
                Are you dumb or just pretending?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                the goal of a diopter is to collimate light. the physical dimensions needed for the peep are based on the physical properties of light. you are too dumb for this conversation and that is why your people never invented the toilet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the physical dimensions needed for the peep are based on the physical properties of light.
                I am listening for your explanations of physics happening (for more ROFLMAOs of course).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >xe doesn't know about light polarization or diffraction

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >aperture size 0.001m
                >light wave length 0.000000500m
                Did boomers even attend physics class in school?

                Also what diffraction had to do with aperture effect?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                so according to your logic a ghost ring or a ring a with a dimeter of a foot are both diopter sights? fricking moronic nogunz

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >strawman argument

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if a diopter size isn't based on the physical characteristics of light surely a 3 foot ring would be a diopter

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nta, i guess he meant for sight picture ? AK sight are more open but AR peep sight is better for accuracy, both are good imo but AK def is better suited for combat as primary purpose

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they are quite open
        wait, do you use the 440m range setting on your AK sight when you shoot or use the actual range notch ?
        if you use the 440 you can see everything since you need to aim below the target.
        with AR sight you have 2 diopter settings, one is more open that the other, usually past 200 you use the "closed" one to have a better sight picture but you can't really see anything around the target you are aiming at

        >how are they any easier than looking at a stick through a hole?
        it's easier and faster to get a rough sight picture through ak-style sights than it is with ar-sights. the sights on the ar are far better for actual marksmanship, but marksmanship in combat with assault rifles is a ridiculous meme.

        yeah they are faster to get on target
        America's always had a reputation for thinking target shooting carries over to combat more than it does
        I would take the AR with an optic for myself, but give the AK to grunts who won't keep it clean or learn to shoot well enough for it to matter

        Guys, I know in the video games the peep sights take up more of your screen but I promise in real life it's just your normal vision with a ring and a post. You don't even have to line anything up, you just raise the gun and find the front post which makes it way faster. It also lets you have a zero that isn't aim at their nuts unless they're more 100m away.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the rear sight wing protectors and windage knob take up a decent bit of your sight

          I like the AK sight in Pavlov because they somehow aligns themselves nicely without too much effort when bringing the weapon in front of my face.
          AR and others are a pain in the dick to line up the front and back sight so I need waste cash on buying a red dot for it to be useable.

          how? the milisecond I bring my AR up the sights are aligned

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've shot them both IRL the AK sights are faster. Apertures being fast is pure cope. The zero difference is about the round not the sighting system.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Post an AR/AK you own

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not him but I agree and here is one of my AKs. I have ARs also.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Clearly a disguised RPK

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they suck so much you don't bother using them and instead shoot intuitively, which is quicker and more effective in cqb

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AK sights are actually pretty decent because they're very square and very primitive.
        They aren't fast, they aren't without problems, but they are accurate.
        I wouldn't say they're good for CQB though, they're dogshit to pickup quickly.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Chinese style AK sights with the sight hood are far superior because you can't get confused about the front sight post

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >very square and very primitive

          Yeah, perfect for untrained morons. You got us there.

          >perfect for untrained morons
          how are they any easier than looking at a stick through a hole?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hope this helps.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >how are they any easier than looking at a stick through a hole?
              it's easier and faster to get a rough sight picture through ak-style sights than it is with ar-sights. the sights on the ar are far better for actual marksmanship, but marksmanship in combat with assault rifles is a ridiculous meme.

              >very square and very primitive
              [...]
              >perfect for untrained morons
              how are they any easier than looking at a stick through a hole?

              Square sights make it so the fractions your brain has to work with are very simple. It's super easy to tell you're shooting off to the left or the right.
              What a diopter sight does is provide a relative frame of reference 360 degrees around your target, so you can elevate and apply windage on the fly.
              Block style sights are very SIMPLE, diopters are very PRECISE.
              If you can't hit it with an AK, you probably won't hit it with an AR.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                ARs don't have diopter sights

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >ARs don't have diopter sights
                lol
                lmao, even

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The "diopter sight effect"[1] is achieved when looking through an aperture opening of approximately 1.2 mm (0.047 in) or less, and happens due to an optical phenomenon (edge effects) resulting in the light passing through being parallelized similar to how a collimated lens would.
                >A rear sight with a larger aperture than 1.2 mm (0.047 in) is not strictly a diopter sight, but nonetheless is still often (incorrectly) referred to as such. With larger aperture sights the shooter must make a conscious effort to center the eye in the rear sight for precise aiming. A true diopter sight (aperture below 1.2 mm)
                the a2 small aperture is 0.065 inches. its why national match rifles have an insert in the rear sight to make it smaller

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Implessive
                I'm still 99.99% accurate, though.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Again boomers articles from the past are irrelevant, they didn't know how aperture sights work. That is the fact.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Only thing I see you don't have use for your own eyes.

                you have never shot a gun with a diopter sight you have no guns and don't own a toilet

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do you think it's hard and unintuitive to center a post in a circle? I swear half of the people of this thread haven't done any shooting outside of a video game.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Did I say that?
                What did I say, exactly?
                Cite me.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                It's somewhat harder to tell when you're centered at least for me

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Beauty of the aperture sight you don't need to center front post (yeap US military marksmanship manual is wrong, imagine that!)

                No.
                Parallax suppression of the aperture aight was first discovered and published here.
                http://dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/articles/Aperture_Sight.pdf
                Previously generations of shooters for centuries didn't know how aperture sights work and had some reduculous phlogiston tier explanations (that is hilarious by itself).

                But most people doesn't know it
                (It still works regardless of knowledge though, like gravity worked before Isaac Newton).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Depends on the aperture, not so important when shooting a metric FAL or with the smaller A2 aperture, but you start noticing it with an L1A1

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Now do it with an armed man in front of you trying to kill you.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Equally difficult challenge for you: post an AK and AR you own

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't try to deflect. I get it. You've never been in combat. Your idea of weapons usage is calm and collected range-toy usage.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post a gun, Anon

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/uhxtXs8.png

                Hope this helps.

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                Anonymous

                Wtf where did you find this picture of my wife...

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >how are they any easier than looking at a stick through a hole?
            it's easier and faster to get a rough sight picture through ak-style sights than it is with ar-sights. the sights on the ar are far better for actual marksmanship, but marksmanship in combat with assault rifles is a ridiculous meme.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle
              Fun fact: when Russian trialed aperture sights vs open iron sights they had incredible rise in performance. They equivalent of marksman scored as sharpshooters, sharpshooters scored as experts. This increase of performance was about equivalent of rearming to wundervaffen rifle AN-94 (that's theoretical increase in performance was required by new hyper burst Soviet rifle program).

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can we get that in a human language?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he is trying to call peep sights target sights and saying that the more open sights of the AK give more situational awareness and are better in varied lighting conditions and are faster? (I feel like peep sights are fast to get behind) because he has never used AR sights and only ever played vidya where the vidya makers have never properly implemented peep sights

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The front post is adequate for close point-shooting to slightly beyond distances by itself. Carry handle height over bore makes that same application more limited in functional range. At least before ubiquitous picatinny rails and optics/irons to mount on them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The front post is adequate for close point-shooting to slightly beyond distances by itself.
        do you think people aim with just the front sight?
        >Carry handle height over bore makes that same application more limited in functional range. At least before ubiquitous picatinny rails and optics/irons to mount on them.
        height over bore for an M16 is like 2.5 inches. its so negligible when shooting center mass dudes run red dots on those sky scraper mounts at higher than a m16 front sight would be

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      AK sights allow for easier target acquisition the closer you get, i.e. assaulting
      AR sights are better suited for long range accurasy

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The fact you can't even line them up in your picture suggests otherwise

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fact, AK sights are just a crude attempt to copy aperture sights without understanding that they have to be two separate pieces, with the materials cut down.
    The original plan for the AK had no rear sight because Kalashnikov thought they didn't need one, as he'd brilliantly combined the front and rear sight into one sight.
    He was right for the record, but that's still dumb.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That isn't a fact at all they use standard open sights that have been used on military rifles as long as there's been sights on military rifles. The sight hood exists only to protect the somewhat fragile front sight post.

      https://i.imgur.com/ZuUX7Ip.jpeg

      AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle". Also, the AK is better suited for a general issue military rifle due to how little maintenance it needs.

      You seem like a noguns who's played too many video games, peep sights like on the M16 / Garand are always shit in games but in real life they are way more intuitive for shooting at any distance than open sights and are even faster to gain a sight picture with. The mosin/SKS/AK sight sucks for light transmission & precision and it can take a second longer to find the front sight post & line it up compared to peep sights due to poor light transmission through the small notch in the rear sight. Don't believe me try quickly going from low ready to firing position in a dimly lit room with an SKS quickly.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The sight hood exists only to protect the somewhat fragile front sight post.
        to add to this its why there are generally some form of wings protecting the rear sight as well.
        t. someone who has a .22 with an aftermarket peep and post who always cringes when he knocks the rifle because no protection for the sights at all

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Irons are shit in general, but yeah I agree ak irons are better. Aperture blocks too much fov

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Y ain't Night Sights or at least florescent paint dots OEM on army guns?

    this ain't 1678 when two armies would wonder if it was going to rain in the morning or not so they could fight, or not.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      East German AKs had removable night sights and Finnish RKs have tritium night sights (mostly non-functional by now)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Night sights significantly increase the thickness of a front sight post. You would completly block out a target at 100.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      some M16A1s had night sights, in theory M16A2s were supposed to have them.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    MilSurpDude

    Contrarianism isn't a substitute for a personality, OP.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    noguns spotted, the AK isn't somehow immune to not doing regular maintenance on it. Probably saw that one in a vidya game huh?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It almost is though, unless you're shooting corrosive

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its pretty rare to have a video game where your weapon can jam.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    only good AK sight is the one on finnish RK, which has diopter.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >little maintenance
    Frick off.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IME the maintenance thing isn't really a meme, it doesn't need as much care as an AR or some other constructions

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone ITT would miss past 300 meters regardless.
    /Thread

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can hit a human sized target from prone with an L1A1 out to 300, don't have a longer range at my disposal anyway

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hit a thousand yards last weekend, and so did all my friends. It's not that hard with the right tool. AR10 with mid tier optics are perfectly capable. Friend hit it with his viper2 3-15. And no not first shot, or even every shot of course, but once we had our dopes it was easy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He meant with irons you tard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      my range only goes out to 300 yards but I can hit targets at that range with irons

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle
    Fun fact: when Russian trialed aperture sights vs open iron sights they had incredible rise in performance. They equivalent of marksman scored as sharpshooters, sharpshooters scored as experts. This increase of performance was about equivalent of rearming to wundervaffen rifle AN-94 (that's theoretical increase in performance was required by new hyper burst Soviet rifle program).

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      makes sense. when I changed from the factory buckhorn and bead on my .22 to a peep and post the group size dropped

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, perfect for untrained morons. You got us there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Aperture sights are better for poorly trained shooters because they don't need lining up front post relatively to the rear iron sights. With open sights you need to line up front post with rear notch. With aperture siths front posts within rear post circle is good enough because aperture sights are parralax free, they are essentially poor's man red dots.
      But should be mentioned this incredible discovery was only made by some eurogay in the year 2008, boomers didn't know about it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I'm pretty sure Eurogays have known since time immemorial with how popular Olympic shooting disciplines are here

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No.
          Parallax suppression of the aperture aight was first discovered and published here.
          http://dougkerr.net/Pumpkin/articles/Aperture_Sight.pdf
          Previously generations of shooters for centuries didn't know how aperture sights work and had some reduculous phlogiston tier explanations (that is hilarious by itself).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is not where it was discovered, that is simply the most comprehensive nontechnical writeup of it.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >That is not where it was discovered,
              Post study/report then. Because before there were written explanations like "eye naturally centers objectes in the circle!" etc boomers bollocks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        AR sights are not completely parallax free.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >boomers didn't know about it
        Boomer here. We did in fact know about it.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they are so shit you couldn't even take a picture through them, you fricking dipshit.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AK iron sights are better than M4 iron sights for the purpose of an "assault rifle"
    Too bad irons are irrelevant in 2000+24. Also diopter sights are better. Also maintaining an AR is easy if you're not actually fricking moronic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Irons are irrelevant
      As an ex-grunt, even the most rugged shit breaks. I basically just zeroed my irons on my personal rifle and never use them. But I refuse to not have them.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've also been in and out of the infantry for nine years albeit as a line corpsman. I've never actually seen an ACOG break, though one came off its base. If I could revise my statement it would be that the advantage of the AK's open sights versus sights like the backups on an M27 or M4 are irrelevant when the M16 and its derivatives are much better suited for optics. That's not even to mention that the sight radius and inherent qualities of a peep sight are superior to an AK's sight. I keep back up irons on my rifles too.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Meanwhile, Magwedge makes a fantastic peep sight for the Vz.58, but not for the AK and that’s infuriating, because it not only has a FAR better sight picture, but still looks mostly correct. But I prefer the AK’s ergonomics. Uuuuugh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Seriously, AK and Vz leaf sights suck dick. An optic is basically mandatory.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Skill issue

      • 3 weeks ago
        MilSurpDude

        I wouldn't say they make an optic mandatory, but yeah, compared to a peep sight they're dookie.
        >t. Literally fine-tuning the zero of my AKS-74 irons while posting this

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’ve always found this debate very strange because of how much my experience seems to differ from conventional wisdom. I pick up AK sights substantially easier and am much more accurate as compared to AR sights. My eyes also get strained after a short time behind an AR with irons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      thats because you are moronic and genetically defective

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Iron sights are outdated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and no.
      90% of military assault rifles in the world are equiped with iron sights only.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Iron sights are the base level that is "good enough". Having a weapon sight adds a lot of pros and cons. Magnified optics are good at longer distances (no shit) but are also heavy/bulky and can be burdensome to use for close range. Vise versa for close combat optics such as red dots and holographic sights; they effectively replace the iron sights by being "super iron sights" but they don't really give you any advantage at longer range. If anything, they can be even worse at long range than a well designed iron sight.

      tl;dr there is no such thing as the ultimate optic and every country with the money mounting ACOG's and LPVO's are doing it because that was nice to have in Afghanistan but will probably suck ass compared to having a red dot if you find yourself tossing hand grenades at enemy squads in the woods or storming through trenches or cities. It's just classic MIC "preparing for the last war" mentality - With iron sights being the bare minimum to being effective.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        something like an acog is better at close range than irons. I've looked through both in my apartment and with the illuminated chevron, which was a compromise demanding by the army, not from trijicon, the acog is easier to use and see through than irons would be due to the lighting. the whole reason for the chevron is that even though it gives you a less precise aiming point at 100-300 yards its a quicker flash sight to be used at close range. even doing the occluded eye thing at the longest sightline in my apartment it only shifts poi by like 3 inches. that is why for shots 400+ they use nonilluminated crosses which are better for precise shooting.
        I'd also say I'd rather have a red dot than have irons for any shot within maximum point blank range, which if you are having some conscript use range adjustments on his sights instead of the battle sight I think you are fricking up anyway

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >little maintenance
    The real strength of a (well built) AK is not its low maintenance but its longevity. Long stroke gas piston with a big ass chunky bolt will far outlast a DI gas system and smaller bolt face. What makes a service rifle good isn't about how good it is out of the box, but how good it is after its been used for over a decade or more and it is now your turn to use it.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    over the standard M16 style peepsight vs the AK sight, i prefer the AK, but i'd rather have ghost ring sights in the end; so the AR wins out on that for me, since most can be changed to a large sight
    i don't really get what people mean by "the AK sight takes up your view", i've never really felt like it does

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah they are faster to get on target
    America's always had a reputation for thinking target shooting carries over to combat more than it does
    I would take the AR with an optic for myself, but give the AK to grunts who won't keep it clean or learn to shoot well enough for it to matter

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're in the iron sights thread, son, nobody gives a shit about your 30x scope.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    With a sufficiently large target and enough shots I can also hit at any range.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like the AK sight in Pavlov because they somehow aligns themselves nicely without too much effort when bringing the weapon in front of my face.
    AR and others are a pain in the dick to line up the front and back sight so I need waste cash on buying a red dot for it to be useable.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AK's are a meme gun now.
    >more expensive than the more commonly used AR
    >Ammo is no longer dirt cheap, less variety
    >Accuracy sucks (mostly due to unusable irons past 50 yards)
    >Ergonomics are worse
    >Preferred guns of commie homosexual larpers

    I really wanted to like my AK's, but I couldn't. Other than the "cool" factor, they sucked all around as a useable firearm.

    Also, it's 2024, use an optic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Accuracy sucks (mostly due to unusable irons past 50 yards)
      User issue

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeak, ak users have issues

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >implying

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the AK is better suited for a general issue military rifle due to how little maintenance it needs.
    what maintenance does an M4 require that an AK doesn't?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You need to keep an M4 lubricated.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta love that short sight radius.

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