realistically speaking how hard would it to be to retool an f-18 production line into something that would create this. essentially it's the same airframe underneath of the stealth exterior correct? i understand that it would be a hassle but maybe worth it when you've got a proven platform to base it off of?
It would be equivalent to designing and building a new airframe from scratch and re-using the current engine and electronics from an F-18E/F.
realistically speaking how hard would it to be to retool an f-18 production line into something that would create this. essentially it's the same airframe underneath of the stealth exterior correct? i understand that it would be a hassle but maybe worth it when you've got a proven platform to base it off of?
>same airframe underneath of the stealth exterior
No, it's a monocoque airframe like essentially all modern aircraft. The skin is the structure.
The real question is why bother? The stealth upgrade to consider should be RAM coatings, not geometry.
It's semi-monocoque. Ignoring internal structure is pure moronation.
I've put you in your place before. So I'm not going to spell it out for you again.
That's the problem the bugs have. They think it's about the shape of the thing. That's 1/100th of the process. The stealth 'coating' is a big misnomer. As if it's just something you can spray on some titanium and call it a day. No, the big thing about these birds is the materials that skin is actually made of. That's why we LOVE seeing those goofy case mods the bugs and vatniks put out. They glow like feds on radar.
They have to allow air in at enough speed and volume to keep the engine from choking, they cant possibly be as effective as a normal S-duct. This means even if they do reduce the Felon's RCS, it will be spotted significantly sooner than a US stealth jet.
Assuming of course it isn't the stealth version of a cope cage and is actually useless and possibly even a hinderance.
Radar blockers in the air intakes is an idea "borrowed" from the super bugs. They work, but are by no means as effective as a true s-duct. I believe the rafale utilizes them as well.
The F-35, and F-22 use S-ducts for frontal RCS, and "stealth augmentor" after burners for rear RCS reduction. Along with ample RAM inside the intake ducts. They're the only fighter engines to focus on the reduction rearward engine RCS.
>Pratt points out that the F119 and F135 are the only production engines with stealthy augmentors. Their design eliminates conventional spray bars and flame holders and integrates multi-zone reheat fuel injection into curved vanes that block the line-of-sight to the turbine.
already low observable, would need internal weapons to be 5th gen.
range too low to be useful, even with new generation engines.
bays would be very small due to engine placement, unless you lengthened the airframe.
Any new naval stealth planes will need massive bays for aim260 and jassm. in fact, the f35c has this problem right now.
the growler is a better use of the airframe.
It's beautiful, though.
A stealth variant with the wide body and speed/range profiles is likely closer to what the navy needs. It's a shame the F-14 was put to pasture.
>already low observable, would need internal weapons to be 5th gen.
The enclosed weapons pod on the block III will help with this - as much as it can. Just need to give it the Have Glass V treatments to really finish it off. Hopefully they get the conformal fuel tanks worked out soon.
You can, but, you would need to make individual stealth variants of the same missile of each and every airframe you plan to put in on. The interaction between the missile, the pylon, wing, fuselage, etc. all play a huge role in the resulting RCS. That's why you couldn't just bolt the enclosed weapons pod onto an F-22, or F-15 and get the same RCS reduction percentage you did on the F/A-18 Super Hornet block III. In some cases, it may actually increase your RCS from your starting baseline. That's not even getting into the aerodynamic interaction, though, it's just like RCS. There's no one size fits all.
They've done wind tunnel testing on stealthy enclosed weapons pods for the F-22. You have to pay very close attention to not have negative aerodynamic interactions between them and the airframe, or their ability to accurately fire/drop the munitions being carried.
can you even make an AA missile stealthy? IIRC the rounded cone shape of the radome returns radar energy. have a more pointed asymmetrical shape would frick up the aerodynamics. for an IR missile with a seeker head you'd need a special coating, maybe what they use on the F-35 EOTS or the wienerpit glass?
>can you even make an AA missile stealthy?
They kicked around the Loral HAVE DASH II stealthy air-to-air missile to replace the AIM-120. The problem isn't really making the missile stealthy. It's the interaction between the missile, the pylon that attaches the missile to the wing, the wing, and even the fuselage. That's why they planned conformal carry for it, as not only would it reduce drag, it would reduce the amount of surface area and angles the radar emissions would have to negatively interact with.
They need stealth drone missile trucks to stay super high and out of the way. Didect link it to the plane so that whether pilot presses the button, a missile fires from the other craft
>Didect link it to the plane so that whether pilot presses the button, a missile fires from the other craft
WSO and the pilot, this is the hornet we're talking about, unless this version deleted the WSO.
2 Guys firing shit would be cool though I think, Pilot worries about aerial threats mostly and the WSO focuses on ground threats, maybe with either having their own drones.
Sure, and keep some Sidewinders in the bay for close-in protection, but otherwise use the stealth piloted plane as essentially a forward observer to direct radar-guided missiles, carried by a stealth drone, to the target. You could link a missile drone to follow the flight path of the parent plane and act as a little brother.
DARPA is taking the stealthy missile pods armed with air-to-air missiles and strapping wings to it. They call it the flying missile rail, or project LongShot.
2 years ago
Anonymous
no fricking way this is real
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not ready yet, but coming.
https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2021-02-08
A plane's exterior profile isnt something you can just bolt shit on, they have to do calculations in a wind tunnel to make sure it wont just randomly spin out of control because some random corner or crevice creates turbulence or some negative pressure pocket or any amount of random shit that could happen, and THEN you'd be busy figuring out if it actually reflects radar waves away from the source. There is a reason why nobody does stealth body kits, its fricking dumb, better to just build a new one.
The stealth A-10 is so fricking dumb i dunno where to even start.
Doubly so with the F-18, which already has a severe unresolved aerodynamics issue with ordinance separation. Boeing couldn't fix it so their "solution" was to cant all pylons outward, making the Hornet/Super Hornet one of the draggiest airframes out there if heavily loaded. This also destroys edge alignment for stealth.
>Boeing couldn't fix it so their "solution" was to cant all pylons outward
I knew about the canted pylons but I never knew why. Fricking Boeing, that's such a fricking Boeing solution. >F-18X Hornet Max
The engines need serpentine ducts or it will be easily detectable from the frontal arc. Also can't carry external stores without compromising its radar signature and an A-10 that defeats the purpose of an A-10.
BIS copied all other aircraft off of existing ones, but their grand idea for a new fictional fighter is an F18 mashed with an F22?
Meanwhile they came up with the MX series which would've been the NGSW of the century.
The MX rifles are kinda fricking shit at killing armor and i always run out of ammo with them trying to put down enemies properly so they are probably outright worse than the real NGSW. They always come with disappointing optics too.
You can blame BI's health and damage system in the vanilla experience. It favors heavy calibers like .308, 7.62x54, and .338 while reducing intermediate cartridge damage. I also think that the armor in the vanilla experience overperforms. The MX's and other 6.5 caseless rifles do pretty good with ACE's damage and medical system.
Looks like it's structurally suitable for enclosed weapons & stealth too. Looks like it would be easy not to have a direct line of sight from the intakes to the engine fans.
No one is claiming the initial variants of the KF21 are Gen5. Instead there is a possibility later iterations, built sometime after 2030, could be Gen5.
>Take very capable 4.5gen plane >Cover it in the silly willy radar paint >trim some angles here, cover some screws there >Now have harder to detect 4.9 gen plane
Why is this literally any harder then doing exactly that? Its a cheap improvement that gets it a bit closer to the baddies and a bit harder to lock.
You can't manufacture a line of multimillion dollar aircraft on the basis that it makes an anonymous poster on PrepHole.org mad. This just isn't a feasible thing people can be doing with their time.
Don't know why everyone is getting upset over this, Bohemia clearly didn't want to use the F-35 (despite having a port in the game files from ArmA 2) so they hacked a gen 4.75 "stealth" F-18EX. There are several mods to get F-35s, including AEGIS and FIR AWS F35 pack.
You should be upset. The base game went 4 years of only have three CAS jets, and then when more aircraft are released you have to pay $10 for the clunky hunk of junk Blackwasp and there's no F-35 multirole option that could take off from any airfield on the map and compliment the wasp. For ten bucks why not get both? It's lazy. This creator dlc nonsense they've been shoveling out is only more evidence of their laziness and incompetence. Don't even get me started on how the disaster that was Reforger crushed all hope of A4 surpassing A3. The reality is AEGIS should've been implemented into the base game.
It's silly but A3 was already entering its end of life phase in 2018. Creator DLC was just the handing off of the game to increasingly smaller portions of the studio and third parties.
As for AEGIS - It should be part of the base game, yes. For what it is - a mod that "reveals" hidden textures and weapons like the Punisher 25mm - AEGIS is extremely high quality.
The game had a meager lifespan because without paying for the dlc pack and downloading 100 gigabytes of conflicting mods that butchers your performance it's bare bones and lifeless. Simple free additions of different uniforms, textures, helmets and weapons would've sufficed so you could play as any nation from UK to RU or coldwar US, or mix and match anyway you like. There's no options so it's bland. Altis gets stale too. It's like Bohemia said "this is our biggest map so let's stop here"when adding smaller terrains with base assets could've added variety. Like an Altis Mountains terrain or smaller islands. Instead they left it to modders but the average casual player isn't invested enough to figure out how to navigate the workshop and launcher to get mods together. Most of them can't even use the arsenal without getting lost
>average casual player
For normies who want to only play KOTH or Wasteland, that's fine.
The ones who want something more will seek out a group that offers more.
In that regard the game isn't past its life but still for convenience sake putting in the different BDUs and PASGTs like CUP would've gone a long way
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think so. I don't get the impression they care about the uniforms or really gear for that matter. Apex probably was enough for them. Decent bandit outfits, AKs, and police outfits. Those who did put the time into finding the mods they want and/or invested into the CDLC. Global Mobilization and SOG were huge for the gear queers (GW Got pretty good too, even if the launch wasn't great.) Those that really cared have been running RHS, CUP, and KMNP since the start. Quirks of running RHS and CUP at the same time aside.
Anon, you clearly didn't play arma 2
that game had TONS of content, the problem was that it was "an ocean wide, deep as a puddle"
The content available was very low fidelity, poor sounds, poor effects, poor graphics, bad modeling jobs. No such thing as data link or any of that stuff.
Well then what's the deal with your wife banging your doctor? Is it because he makes more money than you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
i thought we weren't going to talk about that
2 years ago
Anonymous
why is your wife bouncing get big white butt on BBC in glory holes on Tuesdays, the same day you work late in the department and run even later to pick up groceries on the way home? do you mind explaining that for me buddy?
The FA/181 in-game is genuinely superior to this in terms of stealth because it can use internal only stores or use external stores if stealth isnt needed
Are you guys just trolling or seriously thinking that there will be a stealth version of Superhornet?
Yes. The F-35A costs ~$80mil for a more capable top of the line 5th gen fighter. The F-16C block 70/72 costs ~$63mil, and the F/A-18 Super Hornet block III costs ~$70mil. Both better than the KF-21 asiatic.
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Are you guys just trolling or seriously thinking that there will be a stealth version of Superhornet?
Are you moronic, or did you not see I was responding to the asiatic shill posting the KF-21?
>The F-16C block 70/72 costs ~$63mil
I doubt. The most recent Jordanian deal was much more than that, even when considering all the addons.
https://www.timesaerospace.aero/features/defence/jordan-targets-421bn-f-16-deal
Yes, this is the #1 reason for the PAF now turning to KF-21 rather than vipers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They're going with old F-16 block 50/52s now. The KF-21 isn't even in the running. All the Flips said was they're monitoring the KF-21.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/31523-paf-drops-tejas-keeps-f-16-and-gripen-in-fighter-jet-tender
2 years ago
Anonymous
That article is outdated tho.
https://www.turdef.com/Article/philippines-may-acquire-kf-21-boramae/2075
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All the Flips said was they're monitoring the KF-21.
>That article is outdated tho >may
I literally said what the PAF said: They MAY look at the KF-21 asiaticFighter when it enters service in 2030. How can you buy a prototype that isn't even in production, and won't be for years? They can't even give the PAF an actual pre-unit price. This is if daddy US will let the PAF buy the KF-21, as the asiatics were too stupid to produce the parts themselves, and had to rely on ITAR compliant parts. LMAO. Just stop the marketing on /k/, spend your money elsewhere. Like a production line for the KF-21.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They MAY look at the KF-21 asiaticFighter when it enters service in 2030
Actually they're discreetly considering its introduction with the deadline of the first plane getting delivered until 2027. >PAF spokesman Colonel Maynard Mariano said the KF-21 opportunity was open given the MRF program had not been funded.
>“Possibly, given that the MRF has not been funded, the KF-21 could be a competitor to the MRF,” he was quoted as saying by the PNA news agency some time ago.
>If Manila would acquire only the KF-21, Mariano said his party would push to lobby the Korean side to produce the KF-21 Boramae for the PAF in 2027-2029. >>This is if daddy US will let the PAF buy the KF-21
There's zero for the US to veto its delivery to the Philippines as they have been wanting it to bolster its strength in the region. Also, FA-50PH that it has already is equipped with GE F404 ,so your premise of getting banned from the export is by no means realistic at all.
Black person, you're moronic. That is a package price, not the pre-unit price. >12 F-16Cs and 4 F-16D Block 70s >21 F100-GE-129D or F100-PW229EEP engines (5 spares) >21 AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Agile Beam Radars (SABR) type AESA radars (5 spares) >21 MMC 7000AH Modular Mission Computers (5 spares) >27 INS/GPS navigation equipment with LN-260 anti-spoofing capability (11 spares) >6 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper advanced targeting pods >31 terminals, for aircraft and ground stations, link 16 (5 spares) >21 M61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannons (5 spares) >400+ bombs of different types, with their guidance and fuzing kits and conversion kits to JDAM or Paveway II >Hulls with integrated JHMCS II or Scorpion sights >AN/ALQ-254 Viper Shield or similar defense systems
Now, tell me what "prices" you used to consider the per-unit price of the F-16, beside just pulling it out of your ass.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he thinks I didn't consider all of that
All of what you've listed are default in F-35.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're so ful of shit its fricking laughable
2 years ago
Anonymous
>haha it's not actually true! >you could actually cut corners by omitting flight helmets. See?
You're a fricking clown.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All the Flips said was they're monitoring the KF-21.
>That article is outdated tho >may
I literally said what the PAF said: They MAY look at the KF-21 asiaticFighter when it enters service in 2030. How can you buy a prototype that isn't even in production, and won't be for years? They can't even give the PAF an actual pre-unit price. This is if daddy US will let the PAF buy the KF-21, as the asiatics were too stupid to produce the parts themselves, and had to rely on ITAR compliant parts. LMAO. Just stop the marketing on /k/, spend your money elsewhere. Like a production line for the KF-21.
They can't afford the F-35, or aren't allowed to buy it. What does that have to do with your moronic as thinking a package price can be divided by the number of plane to get a per-unit price, and just forget about the other equipment in the package? Only a brainlet with an IQ of 85 would think you could do that. Either that, or a shill. Which one are you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>a package price can be divided by the number of plane to get a per-unit price
No one has said that but your way of thinking that you could cut corners by reducing the amount of spare items and essential stuffs like JHMCS2 is simply mind blowing.
The FA/181 in-game is genuinely superior to this in terms of stealth because it can use internal only stores or use external stores if stealth isnt needed
It has a really, really shitty IR sensor. This makes the macer missiles it carries pratically useless. It's dumb, because IRST should be something the USAF is good at, with its LEGION pod. As a matter of fact, we already know NATO has good IRST in the armaverse, because the Wipeout has the best IR sensor in the game.
I wish there was a mod that made macer missiles able to lock on to lasers again.
Arma sensors are shit tier because of the scale of the game. Radar for instance can only go for a max of 50km's or 26 nautical miles (engine hard limit) which is still well before BVR.
That doesn't excuse the Wasp's IR sensor having a pitiful 2.5km range against aerial targets and just 2km against ground targets. There's barely any time for the macers to lock on before you crash into the target. This could be sort of solved by making the macers lockable to lasers (like the used to be and like how real life hellfires work these days). Really though the wasp should simply have a better IR sensor.
Don't be afraid of ACE. If you're afraid, disable the medical system and the MOA/MIL zeroing system until you can learn it, it really improves a lot of things otherwise
it certainly does a good job making me rock hard
that’s some pure F15EX right there if you catch my drift 🙂
*Swoosh*
Damn, this thing looks cool.
It would be equivalent to designing and building a new airframe from scratch and re-using the current engine and electronics from an F-18E/F.
realistically speaking how hard would it to be to retool an f-18 production line into something that would create this. essentially it's the same airframe underneath of the stealth exterior correct? i understand that it would be a hassle but maybe worth it when you've got a proven platform to base it off of?
Very hard
>puts Ferrari body kit on Fiat Panda
>expects to be knee deep in poon
Don't you mean the Super Duper Hornet?
Listen man b***hes go crazy for the Panda
>same airframe underneath of the stealth exterior
No, it's a monocoque airframe like essentially all modern aircraft. The skin is the structure.
The real question is why bother? The stealth upgrade to consider should be RAM coatings, not geometry.
It's semi-monocoque. Ignoring internal structure is pure moronation.
I've put you in your place before. So I'm not going to spell it out for you again.
That's the problem the bugs have. They think it's about the shape of the thing. That's 1/100th of the process. The stealth 'coating' is a big misnomer. As if it's just something you can spray on some titanium and call it a day. No, the big thing about these birds is the materials that skin is actually made of. That's why we LOVE seeing those goofy case mods the bugs and vatniks put out. They glow like feds on radar.
I just wonder if those "radar blockers" inside the intakes of the Su-57 do jack shit compared to a proper S-duct.
They have to allow air in at enough speed and volume to keep the engine from choking, they cant possibly be as effective as a normal S-duct. This means even if they do reduce the Felon's RCS, it will be spotted significantly sooner than a US stealth jet.
Assuming of course it isn't the stealth version of a cope cage and is actually useless and possibly even a hinderance.
Radar blockers in the air intakes is an idea "borrowed" from the super bugs. They work, but are by no means as effective as a true s-duct. I believe the rafale utilizes them as well.
The F-35, and F-22 use S-ducts for frontal RCS, and "stealth augmentor" after burners for rear RCS reduction. Along with ample RAM inside the intake ducts. They're the only fighter engines to focus on the reduction rearward engine RCS.
>Pratt points out that the F119 and F135 are the only production engines with stealthy augmentors. Their design eliminates conventional spray bars and flame holders and integrates multi-zone reheat fuel injection into curved vanes that block the line-of-sight to the turbine.
CCP/PLA have the relevant materials technology to fabricate and mass produce stealth airframes
You would be shot by the engineers immediately after you green light that shit
already low observable, would need internal weapons to be 5th gen.
range too low to be useful, even with new generation engines.
bays would be very small due to engine placement, unless you lengthened the airframe.
Any new naval stealth planes will need massive bays for aim260 and jassm. in fact, the f35c has this problem right now.
the growler is a better use of the airframe.
It's beautiful, though.
A stealth variant with the wide body and speed/range profiles is likely closer to what the navy needs. It's a shame the F-14 was put to pasture.
>already low observable, would need internal weapons to be 5th gen.
The enclosed weapons pod on the block III will help with this - as much as it can. Just need to give it the Have Glass V treatments to really finish it off. Hopefully they get the conformal fuel tanks worked out soon.
That's a very pragmatic solution
why don't we just make the missiles stealthy instead?
here you go
What a malicious looking weapon.
Why, because it's black? Racist shitlord.
You can, but, you would need to make individual stealth variants of the same missile of each and every airframe you plan to put in on. The interaction between the missile, the pylon, wing, fuselage, etc. all play a huge role in the resulting RCS. That's why you couldn't just bolt the enclosed weapons pod onto an F-22, or F-15 and get the same RCS reduction percentage you did on the F/A-18 Super Hornet block III. In some cases, it may actually increase your RCS from your starting baseline. That's not even getting into the aerodynamic interaction, though, it's just like RCS. There's no one size fits all.
They've done wind tunnel testing on stealthy enclosed weapons pods for the F-22. You have to pay very close attention to not have negative aerodynamic interactions between them and the airframe, or their ability to accurately fire/drop the munitions being carried.
This sounds like a thing for smart people
Pretty much wizards, really.
can you even make an AA missile stealthy? IIRC the rounded cone shape of the radome returns radar energy. have a more pointed asymmetrical shape would frick up the aerodynamics. for an IR missile with a seeker head you'd need a special coating, maybe what they use on the F-35 EOTS or the wienerpit glass?
>can you even make an AA missile stealthy?
They kicked around the Loral HAVE DASH II stealthy air-to-air missile to replace the AIM-120. The problem isn't really making the missile stealthy. It's the interaction between the missile, the pylon that attaches the missile to the wing, the wing, and even the fuselage. That's why they planned conformal carry for it, as not only would it reduce drag, it would reduce the amount of surface area and angles the radar emissions would have to negatively interact with.
http://designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/have-dash.html
They need stealth drone missile trucks to stay super high and out of the way. Didect link it to the plane so that whether pilot presses the button, a missile fires from the other craft
Concept somewhat related.
>Didect link it to the plane so that whether pilot presses the button, a missile fires from the other craft
WSO and the pilot, this is the hornet we're talking about, unless this version deleted the WSO.
2 Guys firing shit would be cool though I think, Pilot worries about aerial threats mostly and the WSO focuses on ground threats, maybe with either having their own drones.
Sure, and keep some Sidewinders in the bay for close-in protection, but otherwise use the stealth piloted plane as essentially a forward observer to direct radar-guided missiles, carried by a stealth drone, to the target. You could link a missile drone to follow the flight path of the parent plane and act as a little brother.
DARPA is taking the stealthy missile pods armed with air-to-air missiles and strapping wings to it. They call it the flying missile rail, or project LongShot.
no fricking way this is real
It's not ready yet, but coming.
https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2021-02-08
Sounds like a job for the A-12.
A plane's exterior profile isnt something you can just bolt shit on, they have to do calculations in a wind tunnel to make sure it wont just randomly spin out of control because some random corner or crevice creates turbulence or some negative pressure pocket or any amount of random shit that could happen, and THEN you'd be busy figuring out if it actually reflects radar waves away from the source. There is a reason why nobody does stealth body kits, its fricking dumb, better to just build a new one.
The stealth A-10 is so fricking dumb i dunno where to even start.
A real-life model has flown before. Why won't it work
Doubly so with the F-18, which already has a severe unresolved aerodynamics issue with ordinance separation. Boeing couldn't fix it so their "solution" was to cant all pylons outward, making the Hornet/Super Hornet one of the draggiest airframes out there if heavily loaded. This also destroys edge alignment for stealth.
>Boeing couldn't fix it so their "solution" was to cant all pylons outward
I knew about the canted pylons but I never knew why. Fricking Boeing, that's such a fricking Boeing solution.
>F-18X Hornet Max
Oh, so that's why they do that?
>The stealth A-10 is so fricking dumb i dunno where to even start.
that fricking thing makes me so mad. it makes me mad everyday.
>The stealth A-10 is so fricking dumb i dunno where to even start.
I saw the game's design, but what about this?
>giant flat sided non-conformal engines with round openings
>where the frick are the internal bays going to go
i am angry. angry about elves.
The engines need serpentine ducts or it will be easily detectable from the frontal arc. Also can't carry external stores without compromising its radar signature and an A-10 that defeats the purpose of an A-10.
BIS copied all other aircraft off of existing ones, but their grand idea for a new fictional fighter is an F18 mashed with an F22?
Meanwhile they came up with the MX series which would've been the NGSW of the century.
The MX rifles are kinda fricking shit at killing armor and i always run out of ammo with them trying to put down enemies properly so they are probably outright worse than the real NGSW. They always come with disappointing optics too.
You can blame BI's health and damage system in the vanilla experience. It favors heavy calibers like .308, 7.62x54, and .338 while reducing intermediate cartridge damage. I also think that the armor in the vanilla experience overperforms. The MX's and other 6.5 caseless rifles do pretty good with ACE's damage and medical system.
also the fact that CSAT uniforms give them ludicrous amounts of ballistic protection
Shove it up your own, Black person
>F-35 is too expensive, we'd rather buy Super Hornets instead
>okay but what if you could have both?
>the F-18 super horny block ii
I like how little making the Draken stealth actually changes. What a sexy airframe.
Looks like it's structurally suitable for enclosed weapons & stealth too. Looks like it would be easy not to have a direct line of sight from the intakes to the engine fans.
I think the Draken already has a similar Y-shaped air intakes as the F-35 with no line of sight to the engine.
This is literally the korean "5th gen" that has been shilled recently, but bigger.
No one is claiming the initial variants of the KF21 are Gen5. Instead there is a possibility later iterations, built sometime after 2030, could be Gen5.
You've got your hands on my white boy butt cheeks and it's turning me on!
missed the mark bro. Should have called it the F/A-18E2 Murder Hornet
>Take very capable 4.5gen plane
>Cover it in the silly willy radar paint
>trim some angles here, cover some screws there
>Now have harder to detect 4.9 gen plane
Why is this literally any harder then doing exactly that? Its a cheap improvement that gets it a bit closer to the baddies and a bit harder to lock.
You're getting mad, so I say it's a win
You can't manufacture a line of multimillion dollar aircraft on the basis that it makes an anonymous poster on PrepHole.org mad. This just isn't a feasible thing people can be doing with their time.
>Why is this literally any harder then doing exactly that?
Cause you have to design a new airframe from scratch.
That's exactly what they did with the F/A-18 Super Hornet block III.
They tried to sell the Air Force on the F-15 Stealth Eagle years ago, that had canted tails, internal weapons bays and RAM.
Don't know why everyone is getting upset over this, Bohemia clearly didn't want to use the F-35 (despite having a port in the game files from ArmA 2) so they hacked a gen 4.75 "stealth" F-18EX. There are several mods to get F-35s, including AEGIS and FIR AWS F35 pack.
You should be upset. The base game went 4 years of only have three CAS jets, and then when more aircraft are released you have to pay $10 for the clunky hunk of junk Blackwasp and there's no F-35 multirole option that could take off from any airfield on the map and compliment the wasp. For ten bucks why not get both? It's lazy. This creator dlc nonsense they've been shoveling out is only more evidence of their laziness and incompetence. Don't even get me started on how the disaster that was Reforger crushed all hope of A4 surpassing A3. The reality is AEGIS should've been implemented into the base game.
It's silly but A3 was already entering its end of life phase in 2018. Creator DLC was just the handing off of the game to increasingly smaller portions of the studio and third parties.
As for AEGIS - It should be part of the base game, yes. For what it is - a mod that "reveals" hidden textures and weapons like the Punisher 25mm - AEGIS is extremely high quality.
The game had a meager lifespan because without paying for the dlc pack and downloading 100 gigabytes of conflicting mods that butchers your performance it's bare bones and lifeless. Simple free additions of different uniforms, textures, helmets and weapons would've sufficed so you could play as any nation from UK to RU or coldwar US, or mix and match anyway you like. There's no options so it's bland. Altis gets stale too. It's like Bohemia said "this is our biggest map so let's stop here"when adding smaller terrains with base assets could've added variety. Like an Altis Mountains terrain or smaller islands. Instead they left it to modders but the average casual player isn't invested enough to figure out how to navigate the workshop and launcher to get mods together. Most of them can't even use the arsenal without getting lost
>average casual player
For normies who want to only play KOTH or Wasteland, that's fine.
The ones who want something more will seek out a group that offers more.
In that regard the game isn't past its life but still for convenience sake putting in the different BDUs and PASGTs like CUP would've gone a long way
I don't think so. I don't get the impression they care about the uniforms or really gear for that matter. Apex probably was enough for them. Decent bandit outfits, AKs, and police outfits. Those who did put the time into finding the mods they want and/or invested into the CDLC. Global Mobilization and SOG were huge for the gear queers (GW Got pretty good too, even if the launch wasn't great.) Those that really cared have been running RHS, CUP, and KMNP since the start. Quirks of running RHS and CUP at the same time aside.
Anon, you clearly didn't play arma 2
that game had TONS of content, the problem was that it was "an ocean wide, deep as a puddle"
The content available was very low fidelity, poor sounds, poor effects, poor graphics, bad modeling jobs. No such thing as data link or any of that stuff.
Well then what's the deal with your wife banging your doctor? Is it because he makes more money than you?
i thought we weren't going to talk about that
why is your wife bouncing get big white butt on BBC in glory holes on Tuesdays, the same day you work late in the department and run even later to pick up groceries on the way home? do you mind explaining that for me buddy?
>inferior high alpha maneuvering to the Super Bug.
>Price: $80mil-100mil
Are you guys just trolling or seriously thinking that there will be a stealth version of Superhornet?
: $80mil-100mil
Is that supposed to be bad?
Yes. The F-35A costs ~$80mil for a more capable top of the line 5th gen fighter. The F-16C block 70/72 costs ~$63mil, and the F/A-18 Super Hornet block III costs ~$70mil. Both better than the KF-21 asiatic.
Are you moronic, or did you not see I was responding to the asiatic shill posting the KF-21?
>The F-16C block 70/72 costs ~$63mil
I doubt. The most recent Jordanian deal was much more than that, even when considering all the addons.
https://www.timesaerospace.aero/features/defence/jordan-targets-421bn-f-16-deal
Yes, this is the #1 reason for the PAF now turning to KF-21 rather than vipers.
They're going with old F-16 block 50/52s now. The KF-21 isn't even in the running. All the Flips said was they're monitoring the KF-21.
https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/31523-paf-drops-tejas-keeps-f-16-and-gripen-in-fighter-jet-tender
That article is outdated tho.
https://www.turdef.com/Article/philippines-may-acquire-kf-21-boramae/2075
>All the Flips said was they're monitoring the KF-21.
>That article is outdated tho
>may
I literally said what the PAF said: They MAY look at the KF-21 asiaticFighter when it enters service in 2030. How can you buy a prototype that isn't even in production, and won't be for years? They can't even give the PAF an actual pre-unit price. This is if daddy US will let the PAF buy the KF-21, as the asiatics were too stupid to produce the parts themselves, and had to rely on ITAR compliant parts. LMAO. Just stop the marketing on /k/, spend your money elsewhere. Like a production line for the KF-21.
>They MAY look at the KF-21 asiaticFighter when it enters service in 2030
Actually they're discreetly considering its introduction with the deadline of the first plane getting delivered until 2027.
>PAF spokesman Colonel Maynard Mariano said the KF-21 opportunity was open given the MRF program had not been funded.
>“Possibly, given that the MRF has not been funded, the KF-21 could be a competitor to the MRF,” he was quoted as saying by the PNA news agency some time ago.
>If Manila would acquire only the KF-21, Mariano said his party would push to lobby the Korean side to produce the KF-21 Boramae for the PAF in 2027-2029.
>>This is if daddy US will let the PAF buy the KF-21
There's zero for the US to veto its delivery to the Philippines as they have been wanting it to bolster its strength in the region. Also, FA-50PH that it has already is equipped with GE F404 ,so your premise of getting banned from the export is by no means realistic at all.
Black person, you're moronic. That is a package price, not the pre-unit price.
>12 F-16Cs and 4 F-16D Block 70s
>21 F100-GE-129D or F100-PW229EEP engines (5 spares)
>21 AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Agile Beam Radars (SABR) type AESA radars (5 spares)
>21 MMC 7000AH Modular Mission Computers (5 spares)
>27 INS/GPS navigation equipment with LN-260 anti-spoofing capability (11 spares)
>6 AN/AAQ-33 Sniper advanced targeting pods
>31 terminals, for aircraft and ground stations, link 16 (5 spares)
>21 M61A1 Vulcan 20mm cannons (5 spares)
>400+ bombs of different types, with their guidance and fuzing kits and conversion kits to JDAM or Paveway II
>Hulls with integrated JHMCS II or Scorpion sights
>AN/ALQ-254 Viper Shield or similar defense systems
Now, tell me what "prices" you used to consider the per-unit price of the F-16, beside just pulling it out of your ass.
>he thinks I didn't consider all of that
All of what you've listed are default in F-35.
You're so ful of shit its fricking laughable
>haha it's not actually true!
>you could actually cut corners by omitting flight helmets. See?
You're a fricking clown.
They can't afford the F-35, or aren't allowed to buy it. What does that have to do with your moronic as thinking a package price can be divided by the number of plane to get a per-unit price, and just forget about the other equipment in the package? Only a brainlet with an IQ of 85 would think you could do that. Either that, or a shill. Which one are you?
>a package price can be divided by the number of plane to get a per-unit price
No one has said that but your way of thinking that you could cut corners by reducing the amount of spare items and essential stuffs like JHMCS2 is simply mind blowing.
Yeah, but unlike the blackwasp whose official performance isn't revealed, kf-21 actually does have a prototype and a spec sheet.
>but unlike the blackwasp whose official performance isn't revealed
It's not real, you brown brained brainlet.
The FA/181 in-game is genuinely superior to this in terms of stealth because it can use internal only stores or use external stores if stealth isnt needed
the real question is would a jet version of the spitfire work
It would be kino, at which point actual performance is irrelevant
>RAF Yak-9
God i miss playing Blazing angels 2
it's literally just that asiatic F35
The Silent Eagle proved you cannot transform a Gen4 fighter into one that is Gen5. This will be no different.
just paint it on have glass v and get done with it
what is this shit
i get sick of bored homosexuals making dumbass renders and then giving them stupid fricking names and sayin zomg look at plane
why the frick would it even be called 181 you fricking troon
goddamn
Bohemia got pretty gay after A2 with names
ZSU-2-39, FA/181, "slammer" tank, etc
it’s a purty plane
It handles like a lead sled. This is weird, considering the thrust vectoring. The gryphon is much more manuverable.
It has a really, really shitty IR sensor. This makes the macer missiles it carries pratically useless. It's dumb, because IRST should be something the USAF is good at, with its LEGION pod. As a matter of fact, we already know NATO has good IRST in the armaverse, because the Wipeout has the best IR sensor in the game.
I wish there was a mod that made macer missiles able to lock on to lasers again.
Arma sensors are shit tier because of the scale of the game. Radar for instance can only go for a max of 50km's or 26 nautical miles (engine hard limit) which is still well before BVR.
That doesn't excuse the Wasp's IR sensor having a pitiful 2.5km range against aerial targets and just 2km against ground targets. There's barely any time for the macers to lock on before you crash into the target. This could be sort of solved by making the macers lockable to lasers (like the used to be and like how real life hellfires work these days). Really though the wasp should simply have a better IR sensor.
You need to use your targeting pod to get good locks with Macer AGMs now
alternatively use ACE, it unfricks everything
ACE kinda spooks me. Seems like it's really complicated.
Don't be afraid of ACE. If you're afraid, disable the medical system and the MOA/MIL zeroing system until you can learn it, it really improves a lot of things otherwise
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