F16 numbers go up

Crazy how they are getting more F16s than fricking Abrams tanks

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    good

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Based america

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      America isn't sending them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I mean based america for designing an excellent plane and selling it in massive enough numbers that multiple European shitholes can then donate them decades later.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >denmark
          >norway
          >netherlands
          >shitholes
          Ok.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All shitholes

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >t. Sharty McFarty, typing this from my tent below the underpass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shit colored dicks
            getting crammed into your womens holes

            There will be peace long before there arrive in the ukraine to the absolute seething of warmongers.

            No matter where the borders in up in an inevitable ceasefire in the next year or two it should be a good amount to deter Russia from trying any shit for a long while. Imagine a Kiev convoy experience with proper Ukrainian air coverage as opposed to the famed honorary avenger Ukraine pilot

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's something of a relay, others do it too. They can't directly send stuff to Ukraine so they send it to other countries that can and will as replacements.
        That said, wonder how many missiles and stuff they're getting to use with them. No idea how many they'll need for whatever they might do going forward.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They can't directly send stuff to Ukraine
          They can

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >They can't directly send stuff to Ukraine
          Why lie?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I thought the US was supposed to have sent a bunch last summer?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          unfortunately

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ITAR/CAT
        They need authorization to send anything, so it's both the airframes themselves, and the green light from where the buck stops.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's a substatnial number of fighters, but training pilots is the bottleneck in this case.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They'll be useful as a source of parts to cannibalize from. If not, provided the pilot (doesn't die obviously) bails out over friendly territory they can just hop into another Viper and go up again.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait, they're Vipers?

        >captcha: THJ00Z

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I have never heard an American pilot call that bird a Falcon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For some reason my brain said "only F-16V is Viper"

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              np

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so it seems to be a generational thing older pilots call it the viper, younger ones sometimes call it the falcon, but only if they mostly trained with units that had other nations on base.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      please please please let the frogs donate some Mirages as well, it'd be kino af

      they've been doing it for quite some time now, to have plenty in the pipeline

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nope, the bottleneck is ground crews, but I assume they can be serviced by NATO in Poland or something. Pilots just break the jets, fixing them is worse. Unironically the pilots won't need much training. Idk how many proficient pilots (on Soviet jets) they have but more than the 85.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's easy to learn F-16 maintenance by running troops through existing US tech schools. They are not hard to work on. I did for ~20 of 26 years (the rest was Bronco and Phantom) as motor toad later merged with crew dog, Red X/IPI all systems etc like dog and world.

        Fixing them is not worse than flying. There are a few tedious tasks but as long as you have parts (not a problem with that fleet size, and shipping said parts to Poland thence to Ukraine isn't hard) it's no big deal. Only those who don't work on 16s would imagine them difficult.

        Remember Ukraine doesn't really need an engine back shop etc and a support hub would be easy to set up across the border. Supporting Ukraine would be like supporting any austere US deployment with the same TDY equipment and tool package. General support equipment like fuel and LOX (if those jets didn't get OBOGS) need not be Viper-specific.

        There have been so many deployments for so long that Ukraine has endless checklists and package info to draw on and adapt to their situation.

        There are more than enough people (were I not crippled I'd gleefully go) with deep F-16 experience to handle contract support. Tech advice is an email away via supporting nation military and civilian tech reps. Anyone with prior experience on old, maintenance-intensive aircraft can swiftly convert to 16s. I did with many others.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >any austere US deployment
          whats the mission rate on those deployments? what do you expect ukrainian mission rate to be?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Our (Shaw units) FMC rate was mostly low-mid-80s-90s with more airframes available than there were rested crews during wartime. The 95% Desert Storm rates were legit (good times thanks to Saint Reagan's prior buildup which took full effect just before the war). I worked SW jets at Al Dhafra and KKMC during the Gulf War.

            I worked A/B/C/D/CJ from 1985-2007. Didn't bother remembering all the Block numbers which is more a pilot concern. USAF FMC rates have declined since I was in due to lack of funding and not pressing as hard (like cann'ing parts to buffer Supply to "chase stats". The last birds I worked are still in service,

            Forward deployed units MC rates rise because rear units support them with parts and buffer Supply by cann'ing (the USAF cann program is labor intensive but a great success vs. random raping of hangar queens whose situation often go out of control).

            Ukraine sortie rate will be affected by dispersal more than anything else. They'll be a high priority target so likely to trade a lower sortie rate for survival. The more jets you have in one spot the easier is is to share support and test equipment of which there will be much shuttling. Their FMC rate will likely be high with a low sortie rate but there's no accurate way to guesstimate numbers without knowing how they'll disperse and they won't be telling. They'll take a few weeks to set up and work any bugs out of their system, then a few more to smooth their combat processes since everyone will be learning their unique situation. US tech schools turn out immediately useful troops but they'll be working with troops at home station learning to function as a team same as any fresh unit.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              good posts. thanks anon

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Our (Shaw units) FMC rate was mostly low-mid-80s-90s with more airframes available than there were rested crews during wartime. The 95% Desert Storm rates were legit (good times thanks to Saint Reagan's prior buildup which took full effect just before the war). I worked SW jets at Al Dhafra and KKMC during the Gulf War.

          I worked A/B/C/D/CJ from 1985-2007. Didn't bother remembering all the Block numbers which is more a pilot concern. USAF FMC rates have declined since I was in due to lack of funding and not pressing as hard (like cann'ing parts to buffer Supply to "chase stats". The last birds I worked are still in service,

          Forward deployed units MC rates rise because rear units support them with parts and buffer Supply by cann'ing (the USAF cann program is labor intensive but a great success vs. random raping of hangar queens whose situation often go out of control).

          Ukraine sortie rate will be affected by dispersal more than anything else. They'll be a high priority target so likely to trade a lower sortie rate for survival. The more jets you have in one spot the easier is is to share support and test equipment of which there will be much shuttling. Their FMC rate will likely be high with a low sortie rate but there's no accurate way to guesstimate numbers without knowing how they'll disperse and they won't be telling. They'll take a few weeks to set up and work any bugs out of their system, then a few more to smooth their combat processes since everyone will be learning their unique situation. US tech schools turn out immediately useful troops but they'll be working with troops at home station learning to function as a team same as any fresh unit.

          t. knower
          Thanks a bunch bubba

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'd almost prefer they got vipers that still use bottles instead of the black-box-pilot-killing-machine that is OBOGS.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            OBOGS doesn't bag Viper pilots and was sorted a while back which is a MAJOR deal for operators like Ukraine. LOX is easy to service (and it's fun to freeze frogs, mole crickets and water bugs) but that means you need a LOX cart and spare bottles and a LOX plant to refill the LOX cart or larger Dewar etc.

            Fun trivia I read in the dead tree era is that OBOGS came from the F-20 program and was adopted as a way to cut LOX plant manning and all the support equipment. It's easy to service LOX at a USAF base but for missions like this one OBOGS wins.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The tech school length for any ground crew in any MX career field is substantially shorter than the pilot school, and ground crew attrition rates are going to be much lower as a rule, so it is highly likely that pilots will remain the bottleneck for the foreseeable future

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sure there's already a lot of retired F-16 pilots who would gladly volunteer. There might even be a few active duty willing to straight-up desert their posts if it means they get to see some actual air-to-air combat.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The pilots thirst for blood

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is almost guaranteed American pilots would jump into the wienerpits of Ukrainian F-16s if they were allowed by the U.S. government and if Ukraine actually trusted them, which I wouldn't

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are the odds that they are going to be flown by John Smithovich, newly naturalized Ukrainian citizen?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe a couple (two), but don't expect more. Probably ones that never got to saw real / enough combat and are frustrated about it, willing to go walk the extra mile to get some.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's time for CW Lemoine to get back in the game! He'll be posting GoPro footage on his channel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's Ivan Smithchenko to you.
        Speaks with a heavy accent and fresh in from Kansasgrad Oblast.
        But you gotta admit, the man's a natural. He flies like he's been doing it for 20 years!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Kansasgrad Oblast
          >The Heartland has entered the chat

          Oh give me a home
          Where the Russians get droned
          And Ivan gets fukt by grenaaaaades
          Where often is burned
          A soviets corpse
          And the skies are ruled by our planes

          Hoooome hooome in Ukraine
          Where the HIMARS and Bradley’s can play
          Where Wagner turds
          Can’t treat their burns
          And I piss on their freshly dug graaaaves!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      brb gonna sign up
      t. 2 hours of War Thunder arcade mode under my belt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      12 pilots just finished the B course in the US. That isn't much, but they're also training pilots in Denmark and Romania.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        12 pilots can fly (remember these sorties are basically next door "local" flights) three sorties a day and more if necessary until they run low on crew rest.

        For example in Desert Storm aircraft would fly from distant Gulf bases hitting tankers then strike Irag, land at FOL like KKMC for a combat turn, fly another sortie then return to FOL, refuel and RTB or stay at FOL if maintenance so dictated. We even got an F-15 that lost an engine near Turkey bu didn't want to divert so it landed at KKMC. Engine was swapped thence back to the fight.

        Ukraine sorties will of course be far shorter. An F-16 integrated combat turn and hot refuel takes about forty minutes but that varies as convenient. Hot refuel may be done with any NATO jet either on the taxiway or at the parking spot with engine running. Weapons load is done simultaneously.

        Simple air-to-air ICT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sVRbKKPzE8

        Gambler ICT training with live muns at PSAB:

        https://www.dvidshub.net/video/869681/77th-efgs-gamblers-exercise-ict-capabilities

        Hot refuel can be done from any suitable fuel truck with a single point receptacle adapter. Find some decent concrete highway etc, run a FOD sweeper down it and have fuel truck and weapons trailer with bomb lift trucks etc standing by and you're good. If a jet has a major discrepancy it could land at more advanced facilities or fly to sanctuary in Poland. It could stay legal by flying back to a Ukraine base/FOL before launching an attack mission. Russian and ChiCom pilots played the same game against the US in other wars flying outright combat sorties so this is nothing new. Everything I mentioned dates back decades and is very public.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can fuel a fighter jet with the engine running!?
          so why the frick can't I have that in my car then, is the military just hoarding all the cool shit for themselves?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why the frick can't I have that in my car
            The only thing stopping you is the sign demanding you turn off your engine.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >The only thing stopping you is the sign demanding you turn off your engine.
              That's true but consider how stupid and clumsy people are.
              I lost a car because I got stuck on a patch of grass that caught fire from contacting the engine bay while it was running.
              Imagine that but with spilt gasoline.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >It could stay legal by flying back to a Ukraine base/FOL before launching an attack mission
          I think NATO is rapidly moving past such niceties.

          Also, webm related.
          F16s allegedly flown by Ukie pilots escorted Zelensky's plane. Not clear whether they're going back to Ukraine with him.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they still have belgian airforce roundels on their tails.
            Despite all the moronic incompetence we get up to here I somehow feel that they'd paint them over.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >they still have belgian airforce roundels on their tails
              So they do. I couldn't see them through the lack of pixels.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              the claim was that the pilots were Ukrainians, not that the planes were

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >not that the planes were
                It came on the back of Belgium's announcement of transferring F16s by the end of the year (some of them, the total by 2028). That's why I felt that the F16s shown might be ones being transferred.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn’t a big factor there unironically not having enough English speaking pilots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I saw this documentary once where Harrier pilots were trained by downloading info directly to their brains to fight Rasta-dudes (Jamaicans?). It can be done.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Belgium said that they will arrive in 2028, so basically never

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      right in time to take back the remainder of Donbass then

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Hasn't this been the case with most European aid? Pledged but never delivered?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Still waiting for those Leopard 1 Germany announced more than year ago

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where are 160 remaining Leopards they promised? Nice fricking refurbishment rate of 2 tanks per month

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's a Danish Leopard 1

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We know that 40 of Leo's 1 already in Ukraine with ~100 pledged.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They will be delivered before 2028 and the first ones should arrive this year (but only 2-4). According to VRT

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and the first ones should arrive this year (but only 2-4)
        Considering how everything get constantly delay, expect them to arrive at the start of 2025 with nothing but AIM-9 from 80s

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2 or 4? Poop.
        I was hoping dozens and that they would be raping Russians constantly all summer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they will arrive in 2028
      Basically replacements for ones Russia will eventually shoot down.

      they have stated that the first ones will arrive this year and that the transfer will be complete by 28.
      the transfer rate will probably be determined by how fast they get their F-35's
      If the USA wants to boost aid going to ukraine they could prioritize the replacements/upgrades for their partners that are donating.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dude are you joking
      europeans are a joke, these jets probably don't work and they need time to put them together

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >europeans are a joke
        Europeans delivered more tanks and aircrafts than US

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mostly Poland, Baltics and Czechia and Sweeden.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes those are European countries. well done. want a cookie?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Tell the Ukrainians that they need to hold on for just 4 more years while bombed into the stone age by Russian glide bombs then.
          Why can't the US just give them a squadron or 2 right now? They have more of them than they know what to do with.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        read the thread you subhuman animal
        >first ones will transfer this year
        I hate ziggers so much it's unreal

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          yeah they'll send them the fricking 4 they have working now and the rest will arrive on December 2028 because they only exist on paper for now
          as if that will make it any better

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >only exist on paper for now
            it's the F-16 they are using now but a re replacing with F-35's

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              well why not send them sooner if they're supposedly ready to go?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They supposedly need them to defend against phantom invasion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                from what, do they fear Germans going in for round 3 or the second (or 4th depending how you look at it) Napoleon any day now?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I forgot about the eternal warmongering Dutch, fair enough.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                just you wait until you learn about the Luxembourgian plot to create the Grander Duchy of Luxembourg.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                because they'v received 4 so far and those are still state side being used for conversion training the pilots and ground crews

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dont lie. they said the first batch before end of 2024, and all 30 by 2028.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >all 30 by 2028
        Wtf do they want the war to last for 10 years? Why not give Ukraine some long-range shit to conduct execution strikes on the Russian leadership? Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians will be dead if the war is dragged to that length.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia will be done in the next 12 months maybe much sooner.
          Putin is only signaling weakness for ages. Russians already want to get rid of him. Shoigu tried to assassinate putin that's why he got "promoted".

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russia will be done in the next 12 months maybe much sooner.
            No they will not stop dreaming.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              NTA but they have a year and a half left, maximum. They have lost like half of their artillery not to mention their IFV and tanks are seriously dwindling. They still have an endless supply of planes but it is not enough if they can't protect them

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    85 F16s? Do they want Ukraine to conquer entire Russia too?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >they will arrive in 2028
      Basically replacements for ones Russia will eventually shoot down.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    can we cee these JETS???
    wow I cee more vapor ware garbage that not exist, F16S IN THE UKRAINE!!!! 2023 oh wait no f16s, F16S IN UKRAINE 2024!!!!! oh wait still no jets
    how is to be so wrong all the time??

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > meanwhile russia lost 75% of their AWACS

      oh lawd

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        where is the evidince?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          We literally had satellite photos + footage of the planes falling down from the sky + confirmation from multiple RU blogger/tgs about the losses

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >evidince

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          here you go fren, the video has some very pretty lights

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous
        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Proofstersisters we are SO back

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is kinda sad in the sense that Russian AWACS do seem like some kind of hand made artesanal project made in a golden era of technology that can't be replicated anymore.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      trying too hard

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Anon I know that it is hard, you have to spend your precious time to look up information to educate yourself, so its easy to just let yourself go with posts like that, but please just look up one thing.
      How long does it take to fully train F-16's pilots...

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        these so called pilots that "APPARENTLY" exist have been training since 2022, whats your next copium that there no USA jets in the Ukraine??

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Again
          >How long does it take to fully train F-16's pilots
          After you will please come back and tell us what you learned.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.google.co.in/search?q=how+long+to+train+f16+pilot%3F&sca_esv=d65c73666fce9bae&source=hp&ei=k8pVZvY1nbCFsg_J5buIDg&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZlXYo1Rgq-iZlFJC_bvxnfvBuRw3S3EU&ved=0ahUKEwi2y6aSqbCGAxUdWEEAHcnyDuEQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=how+long+to+train+f16+pilot%3F&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ihxob3cgbG9uZyB0byB0cmFpbiBmMTYgcGlsb3Q_MgYQABgWGB4yCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMgsQABiABBiGAxiKBTILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCxAAGIAEGIYDGIoFMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYgAQYogQyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBEjsKVAAWIskcAB4AJABAJgBfqABwxWqAQUxNi4xMrgBA8gBAPgBAZgCHKACgxbCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIREC4YgAQYsQMY0QMYgwEYxwHCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIOEC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAg4QLhiABBixAxjRAxjHAcICDRAAGIAEGEMYyQMYigXCAgsQABiABBiSAxiKBcICBRAAGIAEwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgsQLhiABBixAxjUAsICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIIEAAYgAQYsQPCAggQABiiBBiJBZgDAJIHBTE1LjEzoAfH1QE&sclient=gws-wiz
            next copium please

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >google.co.in
              every fricking time

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >It takes a year to go through under graduate pilot training. Then three months to go though Lead-in-fighter training. A month for Land, combat and water survival. One week for centrifuge training. At that point you would be able to begin F-16 training which takes 6 months. Once complete you go to an operational unit. The operational unit at that point begins seasoning training in all aspects of the aircraft capability. Depending on weather and other factors, your seasoning training may take an additional 4 to 6 months. After your seasoning training is complete, a pilot is awarded Combat Mission Ready (CMR) Status.

              You are not very good at this "research" stuff are you?
              Let's do some simple math.
              12+3+1+0.25+6+4-6= 26.2/28.2 months

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >.in
              Oh frick. You just gave us more fuel whenever someone like you begins sperging, thanks

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >co.in

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >co.in

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >GOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING SAAR

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Put me in the screencap.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >co.in
              Amazing bait, here's a (You).
              Best effort I've seen in awhile.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >co.in

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              GOOD MORNING SAARS!!!

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You have to be desginated street shitting me. This has to be bait.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous
            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Your brown is showing

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Very subtle, nicely done.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Bloody bastard b***h, on vishnu

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You type like a hysterical woman

        all the jets are occupied right now, you, Pajet, Ranjet, Gupjet

        why are you tards responding when a post already spelled it out to you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You type like a hysterical woman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He just have his dellusion about Russia and the evil west(Ukraine is a puppet of evil west), he will bend and twist reality to fit his dellusion. People like that are beyond reason.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      all the jets are occupied right now, you, Pajet, Ranjet, Gupjet

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I give you a... 3/10, you tried.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Don't even need the keyboard and character frickup, that green is so painfully ESL it may as well be 100% cyrilic.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wow I cee more vapor ware garbage
      Post Armata.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ukraine was also promised 200 Leopard 1 tanks and 400 Fuchs APC. They've received 40 Leopards so far and 0 Fuchs. All those promises are worth shit if Euros never deliver.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Remember M1117? Me neither

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Remember the huge million+ shell stash the Czechs found earlier this year?
        >“The Czech-led initiative to fund and procure urgently artillery ammo for Ukraine is progressing steadily – the first 180,000 shells have been contracted and should arrive by June,”

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Remember M1117?

        Their first appearance in Ukraine was spotted two months ago. So they getting delivered, it's just took a long time: https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/z-yavylosya-video-z-btr-m1117-u-zsu/

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >0 Fuchs given
      You had ONE JOB !

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Belgian ones are a nothingburger, since the waffle munchers have cucked their useage to basically just shooting down cruise missiles over Western Ukraine.
    The Dutch and especially Norwegian F-16's are the only ones of any note.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I read a few rumours a while back about the first F16s arriving in June. Anyone seen updates or can corroborate?

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-get-its-first-f-16-jets-june-july-says-kyiv-military-source-2024-05-10/

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Right now they need fighters far badder than they need armor.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, they need mostly more AA, more soldiers, more artillery and constant stream of ammo for everything.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >they need mostly more AA
        >not fighters
        This is going to blow your mind, but fighter aircraft are premier anti-aircraft assets. That's kind of the entire point of a 'fighter' aircraft.

        Tell the Ukrainians that they need to hold on for just 4 more years while bombed into the stone age by Russian glide bombs then.
        Why can't the US just give them a squadron or 2 right now? They have more of them than they know what to do with.

        Total end-strength numbers of high-value assets like aircraft and ships etc are mandated by Congress so going below whatever the number is requires legislation. I think that does not apply to the ANG, but then you have to get the state to agree (unlikely). There are a shit-ton of various fighter aircraft in the boneyard but just sending them those might not be particularly helpful, although a bunch of them are probably able to be restored to flight with minimal work.

        https://i.imgur.com/rAoySJP.jpeg

        What can the f-16s actually do for Ukraine?

        Just having a good number of fighters changes a lot of strike planning on the opposing side merely by them existing. You can't send out a Su-34 loaded with air-to-mud on it's own when there are vipers prowling around. So you need to assemble strike packages which are less flexible and easier targets for SAMs. Battlefield interdiction and CAS become exponentially more difficult (to the point of being non-viable) when substantial fighter opposition is hanging around.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Or they could just surrender and avoid further bloodshed.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You could have a nice day to spare us your moronation

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Or Russia could just leave to avoid further bloodshed?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t think Russia is going to surrender before the jets arrive

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        By they you mean Russia?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, there is a lot of humiliation and hatred in the hearts of Russians. If Ukraine surrendered now without any guarantee from NATO, there would likely be mass genocide for humiliating the "mighty" Russian bear.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >there would likely be mass genocide for humiliating the "mighty" Russian bear.
          That was their plan from the day one, good old Stalinist purge, like back in the days.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah but that was like 5% of the population, now they would go for something like 30%

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >we would torture and murder some of you, but the rest of your population will be safe, maybe
              or maybe Ukrainians shouldn't trust the word of r*ssian pidor at all

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well duh, those 5% was most connected to the idea of nationalistic Ukraine, so Russia would dispose of them so that they can control the country, normal people would be left mostly alone with great emphasis on mostly. Now they would not only kill those 5% but they would try to exterminate general population as well, probably by another famine. Germans have death camps, Russians have death famine.
                I shit you not, once I was talking with Russian(in 2018) about holodomor, he justified it by saying that it happened because Stalin punished Ukrainians for treason.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >ukriane surrenders
        >all soldiers sent to gulag and are raped to death

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >all soldiers
          all governors, mayors, and councilmen, and clerks, and lawyers, and prosecutors, and investigators, and cops, and press, anyone associated in any way with Ukraine

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You forgot journalists, activists, teachers, even frickin' civilian gun owners (hunters and such), and a lot more.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you could also have a nice day to make the world a better place one step at a time

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >you should just surrender
        that worked so well for all those tortured to death in Kherson

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ukraine surrendered its nuclear weapons for peace. Look where they are now.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why don't we just give up partner?
        >t.spy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >avoid further bloodshed
        You're on the wrong board bucko

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If the Ukranians surrender then the Russians will start mass building concentration camps to exterminate anyone who opposes Russia or their government. There would be more bloodshed.
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/05/23/7457172/index.amp

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Amp
          >Ua

          Lmfao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes the Russians should. Then they should join some paramilitary force like the RVC and swarm russia.
        >russian nazis in donated abrams spreading havoc in Moscow.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >surrender
        we've all seen what Russians do to prisoners
        I'd rather surrender to ISIS than to the Russian army

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          At least with ISIS your execution video will be well shot and edited rather than some 480p Nokia flip phone quality video with Russian rap music

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Russian troops could just as well be pulled back.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the cucking on keeping them in Ukrainian airspace is a expected cuckening.
    But Ukrainian airspace does also include the Crimea and I'm sure that a few "accidents" won't be a n issue since it's not like belgian foreign policy isn't know for being aggressive.
    there are elections in two weeks tough and belgian federal gouvernement forming is notorious for being slow. I don't think they will be sending the f-16's before they have a new gouvernement.
    that they've announced this just two weeks before the elections is also kind of fishy. They must have known that they where going to be doing this for over a year. They have been training Ukrainian ground crews and maintenance teams for at least as long.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    still not sure what F-16 is supposed to achieve?
    are they so desperate for launch platforms?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >would more than double the Ukrainian air force
      >what could this do tough
      okay moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >what could this do tough
        please describe what it would do?
        air force has been a non-factor in this war from the start

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          frick with the russian air force, be a bomb truck to hit the front lines, hit targets in the rear, hunt down bigger drones, chase down slower russian cruise missiles

          Can you prove that Belgium gives upgraded F-16

          because belgium has upgrade all it's F-16's

          It's easy to learn F-16 maintenance by running troops through existing US tech schools. They are not hard to work on. I did for ~20 of 26 years (the rest was Bronco and Phantom) as motor toad later merged with crew dog, Red X/IPI all systems etc like dog and world.

          Fixing them is not worse than flying. There are a few tedious tasks but as long as you have parts (not a problem with that fleet size, and shipping said parts to Poland thence to Ukraine isn't hard) it's no big deal. Only those who don't work on 16s would imagine them difficult.

          Remember Ukraine doesn't really need an engine back shop etc and a support hub would be easy to set up across the border. Supporting Ukraine would be like supporting any austere US deployment with the same TDY equipment and tool package. General support equipment like fuel and LOX (if those jets didn't get OBOGS) need not be Viper-specific.

          There have been so many deployments for so long that Ukraine has endless checklists and package info to draw on and adapt to their situation.

          There are more than enough people (were I not crippled I'd gleefully go) with deep F-16 experience to handle contract support. Tech advice is an email away via supporting nation military and civilian tech reps. Anyone with prior experience on old, maintenance-intensive aircraft can swiftly convert to 16s. I did with many others.

          >I did for ~20 of 26 years
          venerabele greybeard give us your wisdom, does the f-35 have more sexy lines than the f-16?

          [...]
          Are you guys on crack or something? That same source you’re linking states that the F16s Ukraine is getting got a mid life update in the early ‘00s. They’re not state of the art but they are definitely not ancient.

          they got the mid life in the early '00s but they have been getting other smaller upgrades since then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >does the f-35 have more sexy lines than the f-16?

            Didn't work 35s. Fixing fighters is like being a gynecologist. The lust factor fades but the incentive ride in the back of D-model was large fun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Launch missiles at Russian planes and bases?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They have not received any working jets since the start of the war except for like half a squadron of mig-29s iirc. I can't imagine it's easy to make soviet shitboxes talk with western missiles

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If the Russians were unable to achieve air superiority in two years of fighting against a handful of clapped out MiGs then they are going to get violently facefricked when they start running into actual western fighter jets

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The West is sending planes but will the isolationist and neutral USA send WILLIAM WALLACE? https://www.nytimes.com/1940/02/03/archives/american-flier-dies-fighting-for-finland-william-wallace-reported.html

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So when are we going to see them in ukraine?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What can the f-16s actually do for Ukraine?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A lot, imagine current Russia without its air force.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      kill russians

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nothing, these are very old Blocks from the 70s, functionally obsolete in 2024 against the Russian air force. They will get annihilated by Mig-31's

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >West shit
        >Russia good
        >Reality can be whatever I want

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          F-16 from 70s are shit in 2024

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >F-16 from 70s are shit in 2024
            Because???

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              because he's a paid moron who tries to peddle the idea that these are unmodernized f-16s, because reasons.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Are you moronic per chance? F-16 from 70s has the same radar range as Ukranian Su-27

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Are you moronic per chance?
                >They have been upgraded, they are more like 90s F-16s
                Are you

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can you prove that Belgium gives upgraded F-16

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Can you prove that they didn't?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You dumb tourist frick, Belgians upgraded ALL their F-16s, of course the ones they give will have the upgrades.
                You frickers want to act so fricking certain about shit you literally know less than nothing about, and you wonder why you routinely get ass blasted on this board.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                gee whiz that sure sounds like it would be a serious problem for planes that don't have access to NATOs entire signals division

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              TO BE FAIR, the vatnik is kind of right since these f-16s are quite old and won't be any better than the mig-29/su-27 against Russian jets, the Ukrainians said so themselves.
              https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-discusses-f-16-modernization/
              These f-16s should absoultely be modernized before being sent/

              Are you guys on crack or something? That same source you’re linking states that the F16s Ukraine is getting got a mid life update in the early ‘00s. They’re not state of the art but they are definitely not ancient.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sorry, but that's against the narrative and therefore not true.
                Please contact your local TASS office for more information.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They have been upgraded, they are more like 90s F-16s

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            70’s F-16s are about on par with 2024 Puccia, tbf
            Though these F-16s are equivalent to Gulf War 16s, so they’ll essentially be UFOs compared to Russian aircraft

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              They'll end up the same as Abrams and Bradley... there's no winning this shit. Ruskies are just too invested in it.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You can't lancet or drone an F-16

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I mean, you can if its on the ground.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >daily vids of bradley stomping vatnig platoons
                Good, tzd and all that

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Ruskies are just too invested in it.
                That is the best part. We are seeing Russia commit suicide by cop for our old cold war shit.

                In 30 years there will be the crazy history books telling the story how Putin led a whole country off a demographic cliff.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                That's the best part! Russia had enough soviet era stockpiles to be a world power before 2022.
                Now they have what they can beg, steal or build.
                And every country bordering Russia has territorial claims.
                And now their strategic missile radars are being targeted.
                By Adolf(PBUH), NATO will stretch from the tip of Brittany to Kamchatka.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >meanwhile puccia uses mig-25s from the 60s

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              That Tu-22M shot down was pretty old too.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Mig-31 is an interceptor/missile lobber, not an air superiority fighter.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the missile it lobs is R-37, the best air-to-air missile in the world by far

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the best air-to-air missile in the world by far
            another episode of trusting the russian specs? oh man, it's going to be bloody murder

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >>the best air-to-air missile in the world by far
              >another episode of trusting the russian specs?

              The ukrainans says that the R-37 is a major threat capable of taking out attack aircrafts doing low level runs. The missile's diameter is almost twice that of an AMRAAM, meaning that the radar is larger and more capable.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the best air-to-air missile in the world by far
                That may or may not be hyperbole but it's certainly up there.
                It's at least a rare example of a Russian weapon that's good enough to do its job.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The missile's diameter is almost twice that of an AMRAAM, meaning that the radar is larger and more capable.
                Which also means it's draggy as frick.
                The radar being larger is also most likely a requirement as the MiG-31 may have to let it go pitbull way earlier by design to avoid getting clipped by escort fighters in case it went after a tanker or AWACS. In a vacuum more radar = more better but I'd put money on it being worse at rejecting EW or clutter.
                Bagging Su-24s and 25s is seal clubbing. I'm not impressed in the slightest.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Which also means it's draggy as frick.

                Whatever. It works and does so exceedingly well, according to the ukrainans.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >It works and does so exceedingly well
                "I can be killed by it" doesn't mean "I have been killed by it".
                Just because Ka-52s stopped the Zaporizhzhia offensive doesn't mean they're excellent combat helicopters.
                >according to the ukrainans
                Who are flying a gimped Soviet-style air force.
                This shit was supposed to be the thing that negated airspace to SR-72s and fricked with NATO AWACS. Russians figuring out it can deter low level Su-25s and Su-24s is again akin to firing laser guided Vikhrs at armor that is standing still in minefields. Whoa dude. What an excellent weapons system. Shame it got dunked on when used for actual offensive purposes like it was designed for.
                It's like finding out the A-10 is excellent at strafing towelheads. Holy shit we only paid 10 million (unadjusted for inflation) for a durka durka suppression system after designing it to trade blows with the goddamn 3rd Shock Army in German soil.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >The missile's diameter is almost twice that of an AMRAAM, meaning that the radar is larger and more capable.
                Which also means it's draggy as frick.
                The radar being larger is also most likely a requirement as the MiG-31 may have to let it go pitbull way earlier by design to avoid getting clipped by escort fighters in case it went after a tanker or AWACS. In a vacuum more radar = more better but I'd put money on it being worse at rejecting EW or clutter.
                Bagging Su-24s and 25s is seal clubbing. I'm not impressed in the slightest.

                >Which also means it's draggy as frick.

                Whatever. It works and does so exceedingly well, according to the ukrainans.

                >capable of taking out attack aircrafts doing low level runs
                not many airframe losses but loss of missions aborted, so not "taking out aircraft", it's denying low-level runs
                >exceedingly well
                the R-37 is the Sovok Phoenix, and yes, clubs are proverbially good at seal-clubbing. It's still seal-clubbing from the comfort of your own airspace where nothing can touch you (so far, and Russian AA notwithstanding)

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ah yes the legendary russian electronics. I bet the radar is just as amazing as S-400 or Pantsir radars.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the best air-to-air missile in the world by far
            the best air-to-air missile in the India by far
            FTFY

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >R-37
            It's only effective because Ukraine doesn't have any BVRs of their own.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Meteor would like to have a word

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              AIM-260 will also have words with R-37 now that it's in production.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >R-37
            >the best air-to-air missile in the world
            Weird way to spell Meteor

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mig-29/35 is the counterpart to F-16 not 31…

        the missile it lobs is R-37, the best air-to-air missile in the world by far

        It is huge and has no stealth

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fire HARMs, suppress enemy air defense so that drones and missiles can get through the Russian AD net, shoot down literally any Russian plane except MAYBE the Su-57 and MiG-31, perform CAP missions in support of Ukie counteroffensives, launch western munitions more effectively and reliably than Ukrainian Soviet aviation assets, shoot down enemy cruise missiles and drones, bomb enemy ammo depots, and make unsupported Russian offensives even more costly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Proper integration with western munitions so they don't have to blind-fire jury-rigged missiles at where they suspect the enemy to be. Oh, and compatibility with BVR missiles, which allows them to frick any Ivan who strays too close.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We did it bros. New wonderwaffe by 2028. This time is going to be different!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >wonderwaffe
      I still can't get over how thirdies view any and all equipment used by the US as inherently wunderwaffen.
      We see a breakable machine that has known, defined capabilities.
      Thirdoids see a symbol of their own inadequacies and think it to be 100x more than it is.

      It'd be flattering if it weren't so moronic.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    TO BE FAIR, the vatnik is kind of right since these f-16s are quite old and won't be any better than the mig-29/su-27 against Russian jets, the Ukrainians said so themselves.
    https://mil.in.ua/en/news/ukraine-discusses-f-16-modernization/
    These f-16s should absoultely be modernized before being sent/

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >85
    Well shit, that's almost respectable.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Indians itt are wild.
    I have the displeasure of coming across many of these shitskins at work and then they are also here.
    You can tell there's over a billion of them....
    So much shit... I wonder if we were to mix an Indian with a russian what would we get?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >mix an Indian with a russian what would we get
      A Scythian

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m curious to see what kind of impact they’ll have the battlefield. If they were to go in today they’d have a minimal impact thanks to AD and GPS-jamming making JDAMs much less effective then they should be. But 2028 may be a very different battlefield dynamic so who knows. Maybe they’ll get all sorts of SEAD / EW goodies by then, or maybe Russia will have built up an arsenal of various stand-off weapons to deny the use of any airbase in the country thereby dramatically reducing sortie rate. The worst case scenario is that they came too late to effect the war and Ukraine is forced into a weaker peace deal then they may otherwise have gotten.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and GPS-jamming making JDAMs much less effective then they should be.
      JDAM precision was 60% according to that newspaper that despaired about jamming

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How ironic that the overlarge payloads from their time as dumb bombs are suddenly becoming relevant again due to advancing technology
        Its kinda like how SPAAGs are making an unexpected comeback thanks to drones

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick aren’t we sending F-16s?? Just take one jet from every guard air base and we could send a pseudo-squadron of 16s to help the Ukies
    >but we are training pilots!
    Ok?? And?? Sending F-16s from America’s vast air fleet gives us an excuse to procure more 35s

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Just take one jet from every guard air base and we could send a pseudo-squadron of 16s to help the Ukies

      Heterogeneous squadrons would suck to maintain because while jets may look the same the innards often differ considerably. That would limit cannibalization to buffer Supply which means instead of one cann jet or two per squadron you'd down more for parts.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We only sent a few Abrams because Germany was being a b***h about sending leopards.

    The logistical train is too complicated for Ukraine to handle for the Abrams. I'm hoping that these f-16s operate out of NATO airspace so that the logistics can stay there Russia could cry about it all they want. They did it to us in Korea.

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because it's not the US who is sending them

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >more F-16 added than Portugal even operates

    Goddamn we poor lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Spain gibs 1B
      >Belgium gibs 900M
      >Poortugal gibs 35M (the other 100M were for the Czech shells and had been giben for months)

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Portugal offered some Kamov helicopters which were previously used for firefighting purposes, and which were notorious for always being broken down, a gesture that I thought was pretty damned disgraceful. Fricking c**ts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the story is a bit more involved than that, it includes Slavic corruption and shenanigans, European type certificates and (un)certified spare parts, and a highly-placed competitor continuously lobbing sueballs at the company that was doing maintenance on them because it had its own helos that they wanted the Portuguese State to rent again at wholly inflated prices
          we don't have any use for them, we asked Ukraine, and they said they need all the spare parts they can get. And apart from spare parts, if anyone could make them fly again would be Ukrainian technicians, not having to follow certified parts and procedures because of a state of war.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To be fair Portugal doesn't have much to shoot at other than Moroccans and seagulls.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F16 are nice and all but what I really want to know is WHAT THE FRICK is SAAB doing? This is the exact kind of war the Gripen was designed to fight and they had two years to come up with a plan.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because it takes way, way too long for Sweden to make just one Gripen. The war will be long over before they even finish making a dozen or them. And the ready airframes they have, they want for themselves. They have a variety of old Gripen semi-finished airframe parts somewhere ready to be assembled, but I haven't seen any news about them in a while. Meanwhile, the US can pump new aircraft out like hotcakes, but chooses not to because of escalatoooors

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >was designed to fight and they had two years to come up with a plan.
      >https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28718#:~:text=A%20team%20of%20Ukrainian%20pilots,told%20Svierges%20Radio%20in%20November.
      They did, but they lacked the economies of scale to properly provide. There is a reason why the say that success attracts success

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        One thing I've learned from this war is that you need to plan for success just as much as failure, there's a bunch of weapons companies, governments and individuals out there right now that could be profiting enormously had they only put together a plan for taking advantage of a situation like this BEFORE it happened

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      IIRC there are about 100 Gripens in total in Europe and they are all in use. Gripen was never an option because it is a niche botique aircraft with a small payload and no huge piles of spare parts laying around. F-16 and F-18 are the obvious choices for Ukraine.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the following also applies to the F-18 (not talking about the SuperHornet here)
        >they are all in use
        >no huge piles of spare parts laying around
        because the SuperHornet has made the OG F-18 an endangered species, and most countries are going to run theirs until the wings fall off.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All danish f16s has gotten regular updates through their service life. The last upgrade was in 2020. Please disregard the ancient block 70 posters. They are either shills or morons.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It will still get spammed non-stop from every angle when the first pilot crashes

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ukraine now has the 7th largest F-16 fleet

    Obviously I'm not counting egypt as they got cucked

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Obviously I'm not counting egypt as they got cucked
      Explain

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The spoiled little girl that is Israel keeps crying to daddy USA to block Egypt’s acquisition of long range BVR missiles at any cost
        I don't know what they are so scared of? Given that:
        >they have exclusive access to 5th gen
        >they love peawienering about being competent and shit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The spoiled little girl that is Israel keeps crying to daddy USA to block Egypt’s acquisition of long range BVR missiles at any cost
        I don't know what they are so scared of? Given that:
        >they have exclusive access to 5th gen
        >they love peawienering about being competent and shit

        Egypt's F-16's have ZERO BVR capability.

        They literally don't have AIM-120's, just earlier AIM-9's and PGM's. This is because Israel owns America.

        They are effectively useless.

        That's why Egypt's making a big deal about getting Rafale's and Meteors for it's damnbusters remake - and why Israel is getting a little antsy about them.

        Egypt's F-16's are effectively no better than F-5's.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is no BVR in current year basically like charging at a bunch of dudes in an open field that are all armed with ARs or am I being extreme

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's bringing a knife to gun fight.

            Literally.

            BVR means beyond visual range, meaning you can kill your enemy before they can even see you.

            Look at the Gulf War/Iraq war air campaign for examples of how the overmatch would go IRL.

            This is why whenever America sells weapons in the middle east, Israel get's the next gen shit whilst the rest get monkey models.

            Another example is how Iraqi/Saudi M1's don't have any armour.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Why would they buy a tank with shit armor?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Politics.
                America buys all their oil and essentially protects them.
                They then buy American tanks, which are then jobs/money for Americans.

                America isn't going to sell them top tier tanks that are just going to get wrecked by Houthi's and shipped to Iran/Russia/China to be reverse engineers.
                They're also not going to risk the tanks being "to good" and threatening Israeli dominance in the region.

                Economics/Politics 101.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, you're basically correct.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It will be interesting to see where they park them. I'd store them in an elementary school or cancer hospital basement.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably similarly to whre they keep threir s27s - forested staging areas and old aircraft bunkers (they had like 1000 of those?)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why would they store military equipment where Russians strike already? They should hide them in an airfield, it'll be safer there.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        As long as they don't station them in Belgorod, I think they'll be fine.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.f-16.net/forum/index.php?sid=aff672c5d848d084e306cf8b79285bb3

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We shouldn't be giving these deadbeats anything except instructions on how to surrender.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Numbers go up
    Yea, on paper. This twatter account conviniently left out when they arrive (2028). Wake me up when they materialize

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Will they even have enough pilots, fuel and munitions for 85 F-16s?

    Most countries outside of America barely have an entire ammo storage for 2 sorties.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they wont have 85 f16 for years so they have time to build it up.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get those birds deployed and in the air already
    The daily carnage now simply is not enough for me to coom anymore

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be stupid to keep all these planes in Ukraine at the same time.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There will be peace long before there arrive in the ukraine to the absolute seething of warmongers.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    let's see the next "it's not escalation, honest" stuff.
    it they don't work, what's next? nukes?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it they don't work, what's next? nukes?
      I've always held that Ukraine's nukes should be returned.
      Or half of them anyway since USA is more or less keeping its side of the agreement.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >will
    Пepeмoгaeм бyдyщим кaк вceгдa, a, пopчeллo?

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wake me up when they are actually sent. The Belgian ones will be like four placed by the end fo the year. And the whole lot by something like 2028. Frickin' cucked clown world.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Indian shill

    >Le gay-16 will save the pookrainians
    Implessive

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2028
    >SIX years of MUH TROOONING

    Can't make this up.

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