So how many are they going to buy ? imo 32 or 48. amid last possibly 96 AH64E Guardian, Boieing gona have solid sell years
F15EX
So how many are they going to buy ? imo 32 or 48. amid last possibly 96 AH64E Guardian, Boieing gona have solid sell years
All of them
Next stop
Moscow
F-15EX probably to replace the shitty Su-22's.
>Buying something designed in the 70's
lmao
The EX version is the newest one with completely updated avionics/radars.
It's also vastly superior to anything not operated by the United States.
Didn't the Rafale even beat the F-22 on those mock dogfights?
When the excercise was started with the Rafale on the f22's six yes.
>dogfight
Yes. Watch.
>Didn't the Rafale even beat the F-22 on those mock dogfights?
>When the excercise was started with the Rafale on the f22's six yes.
LMAO cope. Why are you people always lying? Why are you so insecure?
Anybody with half a brain can watch the video above and see they both started neutral, aka face to face, before breaking hard at the merge.
>89 knots
Jesus Christ
It's said that Typhoons and Rafales are accorded same rank with F22s and F15s in exercises, and US forces are pretty brutal about this; if your capabilities are not needed you go to the back of the line
F-15s are still rolling off the production line whereas the last F-22 was finished in 2011
if you don't need stealth the F-15EX is the vastly superior aircraft
Somehow I won't be remotely surprised if we're operating retardedly upgraded fourth gen fighters, B-52 style, long after we've retired both of our 5th gen platforms.
And by retardedly, I mean absurdly
F-15EX might actually make a bit of sense for Poland as a strike aircraft, after the F-35s have knocked out anything on the ground that can reach into the stratosphere. These are kind of the same almost 50 years old F-15E airframes, except not. All that experience has been exploited to give them an insanely long service life of 16000 flight hours.
So wait, how are those KAI FA-50s, are they still just as usable as LIFTs as the original T-50 or something like a T-7 or BAE Hawk? I mean how many flight hours can they take?
Korea built the FA-50 to deal with Nork MiG-21s and other boomer aircraft they have and to replace their F-5s
They even advertise that it can squash MiG-29s and other similar slavshit/Chinkshit from this era
Yeah, it can do that. But at 40 million per plane, it's kinda pushing into the "real fighter" territory. The point of all those small, stubby LIFTs is that a BAE Hawk for example last 90 000 flight hours in service. Plus you're not risking the expensive "real fighters" for training your noobs. So my question is, while it is an expensive plane to risk in training noobs, can it at least do the job of a LIFT without compromising service life?
Noobs don't go inside real planes
They go inside simulators and turboprops and spend thousands of hours of simflights from there
By the time they sit inside a LIFT they're no longer noobs
Classroom instruction -> simulators -> basic bitch Pilatus/etc -> simulators -> trainer jet (like the T-50) -> simulators -> LIFT -> simulators -> two seater training aircraft of the real thang -> simulators -> real aircraft
goddamn I type like an annoying gay. I'm sorry, I'm tired.
I'd assume FA-50 has same airframe life as T-50, with caveat being it likely maneuvered more heavily. It is same airframe as T-50 with higher rated version of F404 and more capable avionics. It is arguably more useful as trainer due to avionics, but it requires more maintenance.
Ironically I saw FA-50 as biggest flaw of T-50. For some air forces light fighter variant might be a risk factor, buy T-50 and politicians might see shared logistics with FA-50 as good excuse for going with light fighter instead of high performance fighter as next fighter type. Ukraine has re-introduced some common sense in procurement in some places.
Advanced trainer and LIFT are interchangeable terms. Also two seat operational conversion trainers for fighters are becoming a thing of past. So reality is along lines of more simulator training and jumping right into real fighter from trainers.
>if you don't need stealth the F-15EX is the vastly superior aircraft
The Eagle II is arguably the best 4th gen in service at the moment, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the Raptor in A2A. In comparison it has:
>Barely over half the T/WR at military power
>A smaller phased array with the same T/R antannae and similar computing power
>Worse aerodynamic performance in virtually all flight regimes and maneuvers
>Faster acceleration at supersonic speeds
>(Surprisingly) a lower AAM count in counter-air configuration, with higher drag due to soley relying on external carriage
The F-22A has every advantage in both inside and outside visual range, and bar dumb luck or a stupid pilot the stealth-less Raptor would probably still win every engagement. That isn't to say the F-15 isn't a superlative multirole, or that it isn't much better at a2g (it very much is), just that it probably can't beat an air dominance fighter that can drag-race a Saturn-V to 10K feet and win.
>F1 = fun
>5EX = sex
I am of genius
>drag-race a Saturn V
not that big of an achievement, the Saturn V had a fully liquid-fuelled first stage and those take a long while to pick up speed
drag-racing the STS or the SLS, now that's hardcore
>boeing riding on the successes of other companies
No, we get it.
Let's just spray it in some RAM and call it a day. We'll name it the F-15SEX (Stealth EX) or F-15REX (Radar-absorbant EX) if you want to be less awesome.
Do not disrespect God's plane.
F-22 was being developed during the 80’s and rolled out in the 90’s. Shit’s 30+ years old and still probably the most advanced thing in the air.
Not to mention they fucking scrapped all the toolings for it, so even if they decided to bring the F22 back, they’d have to make the toolings again, and then push through all the learning experiences, the small changes, the process adjustments, etc all over again since I doubt most of the workers on the production line are still there.
Actually the tooling still exists
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-us-air-forces-stealth-f-22-raptor-will-fly-until-2060-21329
>Moreover, the Air Force is auditing the Sierra Army Depot to make sure that the F-22 manufacturing tooling is secure—and thus far everything is in order. The audit is 85 percent complete and thus far all of the tooling has been found. Earlier, some Air Force officials had expressed concerns that the equipment had been misplaced—however, those concerns were unfounded as it turns out. “When you store 40,000 tools in a bunch of Connexes, it’s probably like my garage, I know something is out in it, but it takes me a while sometimes to find it,” McIntyre said. “They’ve found no issues with finding any of the tooling.”
Article is from 2017 though
They didn't just magically lose all the toolings, they just cannibalized some for the F-35 production lines. It's fine, the only advantage the F-22 has over the F-35 at this point is looking slightly cooler.
they didn't lose them, they're sitting outside at Davis Monthan
Better than buying slavshit designed in 70's like Su-30 or Su-35.
I thought the current plan is start to replace F-22's about as soon as NGAD is available. F-15 will eventually outlive its "replacement", just like B-52.
>you will see real life razgriz take out nukes and fly over moscow
So… let me get this straight… we live in a timeline where Poland of all countries in the next 5-10 years may have the most powerful army in europe? Because one thing is their recent spending on land equipment but add f-15 to f-35s and those moron sorta kinda f-16 and you’ll land with well over 100 fighter jets.
Jesus fucking Christ.
What scenarios this much spending have to cover? Fall of western europe/muslim uprising in the west? Serious consolidation of that Intermarium? Race to Urals when russia colapses?
fuck me
Now ask yourself where they plan on getting all the pilots and maintenance crews for the kit they've bought. Literally giving a clock to a monkey.
>Now ask yourself where they plan on getting all the pilots and maintenance crews for the kit they've bought.
We Strangereal now.
MOD doesn't need to do anything about it, the money are there, enough to support quantities we brought, everything is calculated if it wouldn't then there would be no deal, military prices are tailored to a buyer one aircraft and it's maintenance can cost differently for different operators, and it is really not a big number, the future is ahead and it's just a beginning
Poland is 13th country in the world by aerospace exports value.
Not exactly an empire, but it is still over Russia in that regard.
It should be fine.
>Fall of western europe/muslim uprising in the west? Serious consolidation of that Intermarium? Race to Urals when russia colapses?
Looks like B, C, then A scenario as a bonus. When you have a big swinging dick a lot of doors open, but it's mostly just B+giving Belarus an out so it can break the union with Russia and avoid being Moscow's geopolitical bumper vs 5 NATO states from 3 sides.
>fuck me
not on the first date
>What scenarios this much spending have to cover? Fall of western europe/muslim uprising in the west? Serious consolidation of that Intermarium? Race to Urals when russia colapses?
final solution of the zigger question.
more serious answer is everybody there is expecting this thing to flame up into a larger regional war with the coming years. Which ever way ukraine comes to a cease fire belarus is going to be fully occupied next. Monkes gang recent behavior seems to indicate that after that they either try ukraine again, this time grabbing form the north, or attempt to attack latvia,estonia,lithuania. In the latter case poles would be immediately pulled into the war as they can risk with ziggers consolidating themselves on their northern border. As vatnig occupation of baltic states pretty much means genocide for the natives there and replacement with central asian transplants. Effectively turning large stretch of the baltic sea into a permanent konigsberg tier serf oblasts. If the ziggers follow it up with spamming ukraine to death after that it puts Poland into a very dangerous position as then the next war will be on their borders directly
most of their orders will get cancelled after the election
My enemy in Christ, you can't cancel a military equipment order that has been agreed upon and signed up, it's not your average agreement with your drunk uncle who happened to have a business, it a shit in leagues ahead in complicity, and I don't think PO would cancel polish military rebirth, that is too stupid even for them
Everything I've ever read about the Strike Eagle and later F-15s is that they're really really good for a 4th Gen platform and extremely cost efficient compared to 5th gen, so hopefully the Poles buy a bunch.
Boeing is going to be fucking selling F-15s for a while, and the USAF is pumping the break on EXs simply because they want everyone else to pay for R&D, plus the strike eagle airframe has a fuck ton of life left on it.
NGAD is just going to be an upgraded eagle.
>NGAD is just going to be an upgraded eagle.
Based
Boeing has had some interesting flight patches for a "Voodoo II" printed and I've seen some interesting internal company server names that have a lot of file storage allocated during a random search I did once.
>NAFO members can carry burger nookz and launch them from aircraft
That's it, imma nook now
I guess logically the FA-50 does likely have a lifespan comparable to other LIFTs. It's running on the same engine as the Gripen but with less payload and worse kinematics, so why else would it be a bit lackluster in that department?
The waitlist for F-15s is several years shorter than the waitlist for F-35s, so this isn't a terrible idea given that Poland is mostly concerned about the next 20 years or so (after that, Russian demographics should complete their collapse, leaving them with little manpower to build an army from). Otherwise, the F-35 is superior in most aspects other than raw thrust and weapons load (the EX can carry ~15 tons of total ordnance compared to the 35's 9 tons). There might also be workload issues where a WSO could help out once drones get integrated.
It's like being back in the pre-captcha years.
Are these the missile trucks that can carry like 16 SPAMRAAMs?
Why are there never threads about combat flight sims here like DCS or BMS? Feel like this would be the board to find others interested in that niche, to chat or group up (if you really wanted to risk teaming up with PrepHole autists).
Just loaded up Strike Fighters 2 on my computer yesterday. Going to spend time soon adding on all the mods, campaigns etc.
Extremely based. Now if only there was a combat flight sim general.
There's already a gaming board on this site
Yeah, but those boards don’t attract anyone who plays shit like this. Most of the simnigs go here it seems. The other boards like /v/ and /vg/ attract bing wahoo, VN lovers and cod morons.
ok, but why should the simnigs be shitting up my gun board instead. If you start having DCS generals, next thing you know there are World of Tanks generals, Arma 3 generals and so on.
Alright, that’s a fair point ngl.
There is a general on /vg/ for both civil and combat flight simulators
I find it soo lulzworthy and based that Poland's been on a weapons buying spree since this war started. It's like the entire nation is like I SWEAR I'M GONNA FUCK EVERYONE UP IF YOU GIVE ME AS MUCH AS THE STINK EYE
It's like a country decided to become an IRL Burt Gummer
>Which weapons do you wanna buy?
>Tak!
Boeing will still manage to waste what they make from these sales because modern Boeing is run by morons.
We already have F-16's, why would we go with 1 lower?
These are so brand new you can smell fresh pain
Polish Air Force needs advanced trainers for training. FA-50s can do that, but they can also take part in the fighting. The F-35s just need to clear the way ahead for them.
they have 2 engines and look better
Lower numbers = prototype
And if my animes were right,
Prototype = better
The only thing impressive about that cute jet is its name, and even then it’s just immature. Americans can crack jokes but never win wars.
Americans don't win wars where they intend to build up a nation and hope it stand on its own in the face of a stubborn opposition that takes over after waiting for them to leave. I don't think anyone has won that kind of war because it's a retardedly unrealistic goal to set.
Nation building is American speak for random slaughter to get their rocks off to.
Wake me up when they go for Supertucanos and/or F117.
Funnily enough, there was a proposal in the 90s for something that would kind of be both.
F-15EX sounds like a fictional variant from a Japanese video game or anime