F126

Why the frick did the Germans give this only 16 VLS cells? What a fricking joke.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because it is intended as a relatively cheap multi-purpose anti-submarine warfare frigate. The western VLS torpedos are old and kinda shitty anyway.

    The F127 is the proposed Anti-air version with an unknown number of VLS cells, but potentially upwards of 150. Also with AEGIS for potential BMD duties.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because it is intended as a relatively

      Not at 11k tons and more than a billion euros each lmao.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn't somebody just stick the newest lightweight torpedo on the old VL-ASROC booster and call it a Shiny New Weapon (TM)?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Japan has one

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          But the US hasn't bothered. Wild. Is this another one of those weird doctrine gaps where America expects every foreign submarine to be immediately sunk by their massive SSN fleet, P-8 swarm and the ubiquitous ASW helo, so they haven't bothered replacing VL-ASROC? Same logic as why the Army can't into SHORAD

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah i'm guessing their massive fleet of anti-sub airborne platforms and attack subs mean they can be MOSTLY passive when it comes to a vertical launched torpedo. The RUM-139 is updated for the Mark 54 torpedo, so it has been updated on the torpedo side, but yeah the booster rocket is basically identical from the original.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, it's a pretty big oversight. Sea Lance got cancelled after the Cold War without a replacement program, and ASW (along with MCM) has been largely ignored since then (or dismissed with "let the helo do it", as with LCS).

            So, what is a skipper supposed to do when the helo is down for maintenance, and the tail just picked up a sub closing into torpedo range?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Scream into the ocean for help and hope a lurking Seawolf hears you?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just because there isn't a newer vertically launched torpedo doesn't mean the current one sucks.

              Also some ships still have normal torpedo launchers if the sub is particularly close.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                VL-ASROC is great--but it has an effective range of just 12NM. Sea Lance, meanwhile, was supposed to reach 35NM with an ASW torpedo (and much farther with a nuclear depth charge).

                Honestly, a new booster stage, like the 21" booster planned for the cancelled SM-3(Blk2B) might be enough to solve the problem. Surface ships really need a weapon that they can use to prosecute submarines with outside of heavyweight torpedo range (it's easier to defend against cruise missiles than torps).

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                The japanese one has a range of 19NM. Also i guess you can add the range of the torpedo itself which should be at minimum a few nautical miles.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          And it is a mistake. Sure the ship is great, but 16 VLS is not enough. With just 5xF100, you would hope the F110 come with some more VLS to help cover for the low number of F100. But as usual, everything is done on the cheap. Just 4xS80,mwhy bother with the 6 that are really needed? Lets get the C295 instead of the P8, "it is just the same" while the fricking germans get the P8

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why doesn't somebody just stick the newest lightweight torpedo on the old VL-ASROC booster and call it a Shiny New Weapon (TM)?

          Chinese even have a boost/cruise/lightweight torpedo. For when the pesky submarine is a long way away.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Because it is intended as a relatively cheap multi-purpose anti-submarine warfare frigate.
      If this was a fricking 7000 to 8000 ton ship then I would understand. But no this shit is fricking 10000 tons. There is no excuse for a 10000 ton ship to be this lightly armed. This is German inefficiencies and over-engineering striking once again.

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    because they don't have / can't fire as many cruise missiles as an american ship, so they save space rather than keeping them empty

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    at least it has VLS cells...
    I really want to see the F125 still get them, it does have space for them in front of the RAM launcher
    but I doubt it's gonna happen

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Germans literally have no idea what kind of fleet they need to build. Very on brand.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        F125 was designed during a time when the main consideration was stabilization and anti-piracy missions, so it does make sense
        just a bit blue-eyed to have assumed regular warfare would no longer be a thing
        F126 will be the F123 replacement, so primarily anti-submarine, but also multi-purpose
        F127 will be the F124 replacement, so primarily theater air-defense
        so those two are in order again

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/fT7wH0L.jpg

      Sure it's a big Coast Guard ship that has no business being in a military, but it is so cool looking.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >moder antiship missiles
        >fairly generous point defense for its size
        >OTO 76
        >Helipad and hangar and a bunch of ASW gear
        Frankly it's better than a Halifax class frigate

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Stay mad InCell

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Royal Navy shits on the German navy and my fiancé sucks my wiener every night. Cry about it.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >my fiancé sucks my wiener every night
        my man that's not a brag that should be the norm. If you're trying to boast about it then she is 100% sucking _ _ _ wiener behind your back (maybe in right in front of you even)

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          anon said fiancé, not fiancée, dipwad

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Royal Navy shits on the German navy and my fiancé sucks my wiener every night. Cry about it.

        The propeller fell of the Trans-Princess of Wales because of bad engineering. You dont see that happen in german ships.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/german-navy-left-without-submarines-after-u-boat-hits-rocks-vrv6khqdg

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    This is your daily reminder that the Spanish are building a new class of anti-sub frigates equipped with
    >16 vls cells
    >an an-spy7 radar array
    >AEGIS
    >hull mounted and towed sonar
    >space for 2 choppers
    all in a vessel coming in at under 7000T displacement
    >2/3s as much as this pos
    Why are the germs so shit at building ships bros

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The Royal Navy has more VLS cells than the German and French combined lol

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Source?

      Would love if you have an actual breakdown of their currently commissioned VLS capacity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Royal Navy
        12x Type 23 frigate with 32 VLS = 384
        6x Type 45 destroyer with 48 VLS = 288
        Total VLS = 672
        >French Navy
        2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
        8x Aquitaine frigate with 16 VLS = 128
        Total = 224
        >German Navy
        4x F123 frigate with 16 VLS = 64
        3x F124 frigate with 32 VLS = 96
        Total = 160

        >France and German Navies combined
        384
        >Royal Navy
        672

        >Bonus addition Italian Navy
        2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
        8x Fremm with 16 VLS = 128
        Total = 224

        >France Germany and Italy combined
        608 VLS
        >Royal Navy
        672 VLS

        Rule Britania, Britania rules the waves (in Europe at least)

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Crazy to think Japan is at like 1300 or so.

          DDGs
          Maya-class/Atago-class 96-cells each, 4 total = 384 VLS cells.
          Kongo-class 90-cells each, 4 total = 360 VLS cells

          DDs
          Takanami-class/Akizuki-class/Asahi-class 32-cells each, 11 total = 352 VLS cells
          Murasame-class 16-cells each, 9 total = 144 VLS cells

          Helicopter "destroyer"
          Hyūga-class 16-cells, 2 total = 32 VLS cells

          FFGs
          Mogami-class 16-cells, 4 total (though ~20+ total planned) = 64 VLS cells

          Total: 1336 VLS cells
          Pretty leet

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Total: 1336 VLS cells

            https://i.imgur.com/A7saAGs.jpg

            >Royal Navy
            12x Type 23 frigate with 32 VLS = 384
            6x Type 45 destroyer with 48 VLS = 288
            Total VLS = 672
            >French Navy
            2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
            8x Aquitaine frigate with 16 VLS = 128
            Total = 224
            >German Navy
            4x F123 frigate with 16 VLS = 64
            3x F124 frigate with 32 VLS = 96
            Total = 160

            >France and German Navies combined
            384
            >Royal Navy
            672

            >Bonus addition Italian Navy
            2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
            8x Fremm with 16 VLS = 128
            Total = 224

            >France Germany and Italy combined
            608 VLS
            >Royal Navy
            672 VLS

            Rule Britania, Britania rules the waves (in Europe at least)

            >France Germany and Italy combined
            >608 VLS
            >Royal Navy
            >672 VLS
            So more or less, Europe = 1280 VLS
            And japan = 1336 VLS
            Those nips sure do love their missiles.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Total: 1336 VLS cells
            [...]
            >France Germany and Italy combined
            >608 VLS
            >Royal Navy
            >672 VLS
            So more or less, Europe = 1280 VLS
            And japan = 1336 VLS
            Those nips sure do love their missiles.

            >Japan
            Europe doesn't have to worry about a huge navy peer on its door step so it makes sense they have more combat ships and way less replenishment ships. It's a regional navy.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's a good time to be a weeb military fan.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Mogami-class
            > though ~20+ total planned
            frickin based, I hadn't heard that
            I knew they had the original order of 8, but I wasn't aware they were planning for 20+

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            what's the chinks and USN?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Just for Burke DDGs the US has ~6558 VLS cells
              If you add the currently active Ticos that's another ~2074 VLS cells

              There are also 3 Zumwalts with 80 each, and Block I-IV Virginia-class SSNs have 12 VLS cells and Block V Virginia-class SSNs will have 40 VLS cells, but they'll almost certainly be used for TLAMs and not the rest of the standard surface combatant VLS missiles.

              But yeah, the US has ~8800 VLS cells not including submarine VLS cells.

              Chinks have 25 Type-052D with 64 VLS cells each for 1600 VLS cells
              6 Type-52C with 48 VLS cells each for 288 VLS cells
              6 Type-55 with 112 VLS cells each for 672 VLS cells
              30 Type-54A frigates with 32 VLS cells each for 960 VLS cells
              Somewhere around 3500 VLS cells total.

              Though all being equal, the PLAN should surpass the USN's deployed VLS capacity sometime in the mid to late 2030s.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Which fleets does it need to protect…? Oh, absolutely none? 16 is fine. If it does get involved in a fleet action it’ll be as a part of an allied fleet (ie, US) and can at least contribute as a member.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that OTO manages to be on the decks of ships for this long probably means it’s a good company.

    Also I had no idea Airbus made radars, I need to research them.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They should bring back the OTOMATIC concept. Take unusable tank chassis and just plop the most ubiquitous naval dual purpose gun in service on top. Perfect for Ukraine, there's gotta be money somewhere to do it.

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick do euroweenies love to build underpowered ships, while all three Asian countries are building DDs armed to the teeth with ~100 VLS cells in them
    Why spend billions of dollars to build a ship just to equip it with machine guns? Just look at pic rel for god's sake

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      anon you're right that the RCN is an obsolete underfunded shitshow but your pic is a shit example because it's a nominally armed icebreaker

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Then don't give it a gun at all, or a couple of 50s at the sides please. Don't put a tiny gun at such a prominent place.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      The Canadian Surface Combatant is coming, the RCN is buying 15 of them. 24-cell VLS with AEGIS Fire Control Loop that can be networked with the USN's own BMD network.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >24-cell

        it should be at minimum double that, and honestly probably double again even.

        For a primary surface combatant, there is no reason to have less than 60 VLS cells, especially since fully half of them will likely be dedicated to ESSMs anyway.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        15x24=360
        wow that's like 3 asiatic DDs, good job canucks

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          at least they're participating

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It's 24 Mk 41 cells plus 6 special snowflake quadpacked SeaCeptor cells

          so they might be loaded out something like
          >24x SeaCeptor
          >24x ESSM
          >12x SM-2
          >6x VL-ASROC or Tomahawk or whatever else you wanna stick in the tube (or just 24 more ESSM)

          It's not going to be leading any surface action groups but for escort and participation trophies it seems...fine

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            One of the requirements is the speed to accompany a CSG, so yeah. Escort roles.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Also, I dunno if there's any non-Aegis ship in the world that stands a chance against a full broadside of 8 Naval Strike Missiles, if it comes to that. I'm kinda curious about a hypothetical 2x CSC versus 1x Type 052D matchup

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            2x4 NSMs too, though obviously box launched, not VLS.

            Honestly a pretty potent all-arounder, though I do wish it had 32/48 VLS instead of 24.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/R9G1irt.png

      The Canadian Surface Combatant is coming, the RCN is buying 15 of them. 24-cell VLS with AEGIS Fire Control Loop that can be networked with the USN's own BMD network.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/R9G1irt.png

        The Canadian Surface Combatant is coming, the RCN is buying 15 of them. 24-cell VLS with AEGIS Fire Control Loop that can be networked with the USN's own BMD network.

        https://i.imgur.com/UOuDlm7.png

        Why the frick do euroweenies love to build underpowered ships, while all three Asian countries are building DDs armed to the teeth with ~100 VLS cells in them
        Why spend billions of dollars to build a ship just to equip it with machine guns? Just look at pic rel for god's sake

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >dedicated 2x3 quadpacked SeaCeptor for missile CIWS
        >plus quadpacked ESSM in the main VLS
        >plus SM-2 with shiny new flat panel illuminators
        >Pasta 5" gun (firing the good Vulcano ammo?)
        I kinda dig it

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's bare minimum the ship, so poor countries will eat it up.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Too bad is 1.37 billion euros and 10000 tons.

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