F126 Posted on May 1, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Why the fuck did the Germans give this only 16 VLS cells? What a fucking joke.
Because it is intended as a relatively cheap multi-purpose anti-submarine warfare frigate. The western VLS torpedos are old and kinda shitty anyway.
The F127 is the proposed Anti-air version with an unknown number of VLS cells, but potentially upwards of 150. Also with AEGIS for potential BMD duties.
>Because it is intended as a relatively
Not at 11k tons and more than a billion euros each lmao.
Why doesn't somebody just stick the newest lightweight torpedo on the old VL-ASROC booster and call it a Shiny New Weapon (TM)?
Japan has one
But the US hasn't bothered. Wild. Is this another one of those weird doctrine gaps where America expects every foreign submarine to be immediately sunk by their massive SSN fleet, P-8 swarm and the ubiquitous ASW helo, so they haven't bothered replacing VL-ASROC? Same logic as why the Army can't into SHORAD
Yeah i'm guessing their massive fleet of anti-sub airborne platforms and attack subs mean they can be MOSTLY passive when it comes to a vertical launched torpedo. The RUM-139 is updated for the Mark 54 torpedo, so it has been updated on the torpedo side, but yeah the booster rocket is basically identical from the original.
Yeah, it's a pretty big oversight. Sea Lance got cancelled after the Cold War without a replacement program, and ASW (along with MCM) has been largely ignored since then (or dismissed with "let the helo do it", as with LCS).
So, what is a skipper supposed to do when the helo is down for maintenance, and the tail just picked up a sub closing into torpedo range?
Scream into the ocean for help and hope a lurking Seawolf hears you?
Just because there isn't a newer vertically launched torpedo doesn't mean the current one sucks.
Also some ships still have normal torpedo launchers if the sub is particularly close.
VL-ASROC is great--but it has an effective range of just 12NM. Sea Lance, meanwhile, was supposed to reach 35NM with an ASW torpedo (and much farther with a nuclear depth charge).
Honestly, a new booster stage, like the 21" booster planned for the cancelled SM-3(Blk2B) might be enough to solve the problem. Surface ships really need a weapon that they can use to prosecute submarines with outside of heavyweight torpedo range (it's easier to defend against cruise missiles than torps).
The japanese one has a range of 19NM. Also i guess you can add the range of the torpedo itself which should be at minimum a few nautical miles.
And it is a mistake. Sure the ship is great, but 16 VLS is not enough. With just 5xF100, you would hope the F110 come with some more VLS to help cover for the low number of F100. But as usual, everything is done on the cheap. Just 4xS80,mwhy bother with the 6 that are really needed? Lets get the C295 instead of the P8, "it is just the same" while the fucking germans get the P8
Chinese even have a boost/cruise/lightweight torpedo. For when the pesky submarine is a long way away.
>Because it is intended as a relatively cheap multi-purpose anti-submarine warfare frigate.
If this was a fucking 7000 to 8000 ton ship then I would understand. But no this shit is fucking 10000 tons. There is no excuse for a 10000 ton ship to be this lightly armed. This is German inefficiencies and over-engineering striking once again.
because they don't have / can't fire as many cruise missiles as an american ship, so they save space rather than keeping them empty
at least it has VLS cells...
I really want to see the F125 still get them, it does have space for them in front of the RAM launcher
but I doubt it's gonna happen
The Germans literally have no idea what kind of fleet they need to build. Very on brand.
F125 was designed during a time when the main consideration was stabilization and anti-piracy missions, so it does make sense
just a bit blue-eyed to have assumed regular warfare would no longer be a thing
F126 will be the F123 replacement, so primarily anti-submarine, but also multi-purpose
F127 will be the F124 replacement, so primarily theater air-defense
so those two are in order again
Sure it's a big Coast Guard ship that has no business being in a military, but it is so cool looking.
>moder antiship missiles
>fairly generous point defense for its size
>Helipad and hangar and a bunch of ASW gear
Frankly it's better than a Halifax class frigate
Stay mad InCell
The Royal Navy shits on the German navy and my fiancé sucks my cock every night. Cry about it.
>my fiancé sucks my cock every night
my man that's not a brag that should be the norm. If you're trying to boast about it then she is 100% sucking _ _ _ cock behind your back (maybe in right in front of you even)
anon said fiancé, not fiancée, dipwad
>The Royal Navy shits on the German navy and my fiancé sucks my cock every night. Cry about it.
The propeller fell of the Trans-Princess of Wales because of bad engineering. You dont see that happen in german ships.
This is your daily reminder that the Spanish are building a new class of anti-sub frigates equipped with
>16 vls cells
>an an-spy7 radar array
>hull mounted and towed sonar
>space for 2 choppers
all in a vessel coming in at under 7000T displacement
>2/3s as much as this pos
Why are the germs so shit at building ships bros
The Royal Navy has more VLS cells than the German and French combined lol
Would love if you have an actual breakdown of their currently commissioned VLS capacity.
12x Type 23 frigate with 32 VLS = 384
6x Type 45 destroyer with 48 VLS = 288
Total VLS = 672
2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
8x Aquitaine frigate with 16 VLS = 128
Total = 224
4x F123 frigate with 16 VLS = 64
3x F124 frigate with 32 VLS = 96
Total = 160
>France and German Navies combined
>Bonus addition Italian Navy
2x Horizon destroyer with 48 VLS = 96
8x Fremm with 16 VLS = 128
Total = 224
>France Germany and Italy combined
Rule Britania, Britania rules the waves (in Europe at least)
Crazy to think Japan is at like 1300 or so.
Maya-class/Atago-class 96-cells each, 4 total = 384 VLS cells.
Kongo-class 90-cells each, 4 total = 360 VLS cells
Takanami-class/Akizuki-class/Asahi-class 32-cells each, 11 total = 352 VLS cells
Murasame-class 16-cells each, 9 total = 144 VLS cells
Hyūga-class 16-cells, 2 total = 32 VLS cells
Mogami-class 16-cells, 4 total (though ~20+ total planned) = 64 VLS cells
Total: 1336 VLS cells
>Total: 1336 VLS cells
>France Germany and Italy combined
So more or less, Europe = 1280 VLS
And japan = 1336 VLS
Those nips sure do love their missiles.
Europe doesn't have to worry about a huge navy peer on its door step so it makes sense they have more combat ships and way less replenishment ships. It's a regional navy.
It's a good time to be a weeb military fan.
> though ~20+ total planned
fuckin based, I hadn't heard that
I knew they had the original order of 8, but I wasn't aware they were planning for 20+
what's the chinks and USN?
Just for Burke DDGs the US has ~6558 VLS cells
If you add the currently active Ticos that's another ~2074 VLS cells
There are also 3 Zumwalts with 80 each, and Block I-IV Virginia-class SSNs have 12 VLS cells and Block V Virginia-class SSNs will have 40 VLS cells, but they'll almost certainly be used for TLAMs and not the rest of the standard surface combatant VLS missiles.
But yeah, the US has ~8800 VLS cells not including submarine VLS cells.
Chinks have 25 Type-052D with 64 VLS cells each for 1600 VLS cells
6 Type-52C with 48 VLS cells each for 288 VLS cells
6 Type-55 with 112 VLS cells each for 672 VLS cells
30 Type-54A frigates with 32 VLS cells each for 960 VLS cells
Somewhere around 3500 VLS cells total.
Though all being equal, the PLAN should surpass the USN's deployed VLS capacity sometime in the mid to late 2030s.
Which fleets does it need to protect…? Oh, absolutely none? 16 is fine. If it does get involved in a fleet action it’ll be as a part of an allied fleet (ie, US) and can at least contribute as a member.
The fact that OTO manages to be on the decks of ships for this long probably means it’s a good company.
Also I had no idea Airbus made radars, I need to research them.
They should bring back the OTOMATIC concept. Take unusable tank chassis and just plop the most ubiquitous naval dual purpose gun in service on top. Perfect for Ukraine, there's gotta be money somewhere to do it.
Why the fuck do euroweenies love to build underpowered ships, while all three Asian countries are building DDs armed to the teeth with ~100 VLS cells in them
Why spend billions of dollars to build a ship just to equip it with machine guns? Just look at pic rel for god's sake
anon you're right that the RCN is an obsolete underfunded shitshow but your pic is a shit example because it's a nominally armed icebreaker
Then don't give it a gun at all, or a couple of 50s at the sides please. Don't put a tiny gun at such a prominent place.
The Canadian Surface Combatant is coming, the RCN is buying 15 of them. 24-cell VLS with AEGIS Fire Control Loop that can be networked with the USN's own BMD network.
it should be at minimum double that, and honestly probably double again even.
For a primary surface combatant, there is no reason to have less than 60 VLS cells, especially since fully half of them will likely be dedicated to ESSMs anyway.
wow that's like 3 moron DDs, good job canucks
at least they're participating
It's 24 Mk 41 cells plus 6 special snowflake quadpacked SeaCeptor cells
so they might be loaded out something like
>6x VL-ASROC or Tomahawk or whatever else you wanna stick in the tube (or just 24 more ESSM)
It's not going to be leading any surface action groups but for escort and participation trophies it seems...fine
One of the requirements is the speed to accompany a CSG, so yeah. Escort roles.
Also, I dunno if there's any non-Aegis ship in the world that stands a chance against a full broadside of 8 Naval Strike Missiles, if it comes to that. I'm kinda curious about a hypothetical 2x CSC versus 1x Type 052D matchup
2x4 NSMs too, though obviously box launched, not VLS.
Honestly a pretty potent all-arounder, though I do wish it had 32/48 VLS instead of 24.
>dedicated 2x3 quadpacked SeaCeptor for missile CIWS
>plus quadpacked ESSM in the main VLS
>plus SM-2 with shiny new flat panel illuminators
>Pasta 5" gun (firing the good Vulcano ammo?)
I kinda dig it
It's bare minimum the ship, so poor countries will eat it up.
Too bad is 1.37 billion euros and 10000 tons.