>F-35s are being acquired for 62 million a pop
JSF chads, we won
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>F-35s are being acquired for 62 million a pop
JSF chads, we won
You're a spectator unless you have personal involvement with a weapons system. What's yours? This "we" shit is like "wewuz" and equally we-toddid.
That said jets are fun to work on and aviation in general is fun so anyone considering it should give it a go. Just don't be a pussy and don't get married young because you'll work long hours though the flexible schedule is great along with a month off each year. Would do again gleefully. (Sensitive people disregard because you'll hate it and your coworkers will hate you. Join the Army far away from aircraft.)
>reee why are you showing your feelings about anything
We're buying them.
I genuinely can't take your post seriously imagining you actually trying to say "we-toddid". Nothing you said has any more value than empty seething and making a fool of yourself, even to mock someone else, subtracts from the nothing that was there to leave your post a net negative for everyone who reads it. Have some shame.
Canadian here, I'd say it's a win for us, every American, and every US ally, because it means our friends in America are maintaining overwhelming air superiority against the various third-world savages who hate us and want our civilization destroyed.
>who hate us and want our civilization destroyed.
it already happened lmao, Canada is 70% white 50% by 2036.
How is that destroying Canada's civilization?
Even as a mayo-American I can't understand how less white people suddenly means your civilization is being destroyed, especially when the Canadian "civilization" is just America in sweaters, they have no particular identifying trait that makes one "canadian" by definition.
Both exist in the northern US
Polite society. Not fatally stabbing people when they tell you stop vaping in their child's direction. That could be it
Bullshit, go out west and if you're white in a native area you're not gonna be feeling too safe, and the same if you're native and happen to piss off the wrong cop, they'll take you 50+ miles out of town, drop you off in the middle if nowhere and just leave you to die.
Canada is hardly the happy/nice country that it's often portrayed as online.
>they'll take you 50+ miles out of town, drop you off in the middle if nowhere and just leave you to die.
And in a permanently-online world they'll be socially executed for doing it when the video of the "cracker nazi" doing it goes viral.
Go and live in India or Pakistan and see for yourself.
Oh no, more hot big tiddy indian girls, whatever will I do???
Post your hands and passport before complaining in this manner.
underage shouldn't post here. you might be physically of age, but your comment shows the approach of an angsty 16 year old. grow up or have a nice day
Not even American, but I own LM stocks. So yes, I won.
There are anons who work in the MIC on here. So this just means more job security.
>Sensitive people disregard because you'll hate it and your coworkers will hate you. Join the Army far away from aircraft.)
If by sensitive you mean smart then yes. Nobody with an IQ above room water would join USAF or any branch of the military. That's for the poor and the stupid. Real chads work for the MIC in management roles or they study law and work for an energy distributor in compliance. Anyone that wants to take orders and work retarded shifts for low money is a fucking knuckle dragger.
its technically my money they are using
>thinks he’s working on the weapons system
>is a wrench-turning retard in the navy or Air Force
If you don’t work at Lockheed as an engineer, you aren’t building the aircraft. There’s a difference between being a BMW engineer and being a technician at Mom and Pop’s garage. You are the latter.
How many f-35s have been produced. It’s got to be the best selling plane of the 2000s
As a kid who grew up being an F-35 fanboy, this is the best fucking timeline. Hopefully she gets to be used in war against china
I grow up in a time when the F-4 Phantom was the best, sonny.
>As a kid who grew up being an F-35 fanboy
so still a kid
BF2 came out 18 years ago
Kek. Weekends Warriors Wake 24/7 still runs on BF2S.
Now add the maintenance costs
The tail is much larger than maintenance including training pipelines, personnel and support. With US GDP that's still couch money.
contracts include maintenance costs retard
accurate, new F-16 70/72s are $64 million in 2021 dollars
the F-35 was literally designed to be cheap and low-maintenance, that is the entire purpose of the program, people are just whiny pissbabies and wanted to axe it while it was still paying off research costs and therefore stupid expensive (like every other US program in recent memory)
thankfully the chair force has access to the money printer and it wasn't added to the massive list of "project successful: cancelled, 8 units produced"
>contracts include maintenance costs retard
That depends heavily though, a country already paying for F-35 training/maitanance/spare parts when they make a new F-35 order aren't going to pay the same as a country buying F-35s for the first time.
Also some countries are fine with only a handful of spare parts, some countries want dozens of spares, also these contracts can also include weapons so a country that already has a stockpile of American air to air missiles and air to ground bombs and missiles, you probably won't need to buy a ton more when you place your F-35 order, but if you're a country that normally operated European or Russian jets previously and don't have a stockpile of American munitions, well when you place your F-35 order you're probably going to add a billion or two for missiles and bombs that are compatible with the F-35.
So the final cost of the actual plane itself is so far removed from the contract sticker price.
>thankfully the chair force has access to the money printer and it wasn't added to the massive list of "project successful: cancelled, 8 units produced"
Odds are good it's all off the shelf hand-me-down tech that garantees overmatch of 'near peers' (lol lmao), but not the good shit which most of the funds will disappear into spooky hidey holes to fund further development thereof. The boondoggle narrative helps obfuscate that domestically and internationally, all for the best.
>7 billion for over 100 fighter aircraft
i have to admit its kind of depressing that the only economic production of scale that occurs in this land is trillion dollar fighter planes
thats a fucking incredible amount of planes for almost nothing
A P-51 cost an adjusted $865k in 1945. An A-4 Skyhawk cost an adjusted $9.7 million in 1954. So for what you are getting $60 million is not insane.
How many Ford pickups do you see on a daily basis?
Haha y-yeah you're right anon
f15s, f16s, f18s, a10s were all under 10 million a pop
a-10s once adjusted for inflation and upgrade packages are tens of millions lmao
A modern production version of all of those aircraft costs more then a F35.
U.S. Defense Department ordered eight F-15EXs over three years for $1.2 billion...
Air force budget put the price at 129M$ flyaway. I think we will get the best numbers form the isreal contract for 25. Slice it anyway and F-15EX is more than F-35. Which makes sense considering its a bigger plane.
>Air force budget put the price at 129M$ flyaway. I think we will get the best numbers form the isreal contract for 25
typically the FMS contract cost of a fighter jet is about 2x flyaway, so $125-150M appears to be the ballpark
I'M SORRY LOCKMART
jokes aside - geez louise, they pulled it off, the crazy bastards
in the era they were made.
The only one that still holds up in 2023 would be the F-15 and those F-18s cost $65 million flyaway today.
The only country actively producing cheaper "modern" jets in 2023 is China/Pakistan with the JF-17 and thats a marked downgrade from the F-35.
The F-15EX costs $118-$120 million, which is, now, almost DOUBLE what an F-35A costs.
Yeah but they're only buying like a few dozen compared to the thousands of F-35s
Scale has its place.
Because even with all the pods, new radar, EW suite, etc. The EX is only good for long range missile truck duties to complement the superior F-35. They're only being bought as a handout to Boeing/MDD, and because they're slightly less expensive to maintain.
you cannot bring stealth planes to every party, like basing in some shithole country (Canada for eg) or for petting zoo shows where the tech could be compromised
We printed like half of all our currency in the last three years.
>List the inflation adjusted cost of an f15, f16, f18, A10, f22 and f35 fighter jets for USD in the year 2021
It is important to note that the costs of military aircraft can vary depending on factors such as the specific variant, production year, and quantity purchased. Additionally, it is challenging to provide an exact inflation-adjusted cost as it would require detailed information on the specific time period, model, and other factors. However, I can provide you with approximate estimates for the unit costs of each aircraft in 2021 USD, based on available information:
F-15 Eagle: The F-15's unit cost varies depending on the specific variant. The F-15EX, the latest version, was estimated to cost around $87.7 million per aircraft in 2021.
F-16 Fighting Falcon: The unit cost for an F-16 Block 70/72, one of the latest versions, was approximately $64.3 million in 2021.
F/A-18 Super Hornet: The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's unit cost was about $70.5 million in 2021.
A-10 Thunderbolt II: The A-10's unit cost is harder to estimate in 2021, as it has not been in production since the 1980s. However, if we were to adjust for inflation, the unit cost would be roughly $20 million per aircraft.
F-22 Raptor: The F-22's production was discontinued in 2011, with a unit cost estimated to be around $150 million. Adjusted for inflation, this would be approximately $173 million in 2021.
F-35 Lightning II: The unit cost for an F-35 varies depending on the specific variant (A, B, or C). In 2021, the approximate unit costs were as follows:
F-35A: $77.9 million
F-35B: $101.3 million
F-35C: $94.4 million
These figures should be taken as rough estimates and may not reflect the exact inflation-adjusted costs for each aircraft in 2021.
I wonder what the F-22 would have ended up costing per unit if they kept the original order numbers.
additionally as production decreases and the supply chain becomes problematic the maintenance of a given aircraft becomes more expensive.
The problem is that military assets are not investments. They will never make their monetary value back or reach a break even point like idk buying solar panels and saving money on electricity after 20 years.
Even if you didn't buy newer stuff and would still keep like the F-4 flying today you'd still have to pay for it's maintenance. Just to give an example: the fuselage and the wing panels are basically handmade. A guy has to shape the metal by hand. And as you don't keep buying F-4s every couple of years, any spare parts would either have to be stored for decades or made on-demand as the line would have been shut down long ago.
And after all that you're still stuck with the capabilities from the 70s, and any upgrade - radar size, electronics, software, engines will cost as much as a new airplane will over time.
the Super Hornet was expensive enough the Canadians couldn't bring themselves to buy it
also these costs don't account for adding AESA radars, drop tanks and other avionics the F-35 has built-in
NGAD is likely going to hit $200-300m per airframe.
Is that including all the auxiliary drones?
No, at least from what we've heard the $200M+ figure was thrown around for the airframe costs with total program costs going well beyond that.
>was estimated to cost around $87.7 million per aircraft in 2021.
GOA estimates ~$120 million when all targeting pods necessary to fulfill its mission and actually be useful on a modern battlefield.
GAO is doing their jobs but they hated the F-18E and it put in decades of great service and was highly reliable which you need on a carrier with limited parts and crew
STOP ASKING FOR THE POWER TO KILL THE WORLD
HALF PRICE OF A J-20 CHINKSHIT, and twice as good
Learn globalization, chinkshits
what does it for me is looking at estimates of J-20 radar profiles vs the F-35. 5th gen my ass.
Absolutely ridiculous, RIP everyone else's aircraft industry.
fucking ridiculous, even Finland has bought them and they are very hardnosed about performance
continue to believe MIC lies about their equipment and then proceeded to get wrecked by American tech in the next war
- Himars has longer range than reported and has unknown features like rocket gradient adjustment
-Javelin can defeat every countermeasure on tanks and is so reliable and spot on design its a 1 for 1 kill
-M777 has much closer CEP than reported even without guided munitions
and these are 30 year old tech
Eat shit chinkshit. go back to masturbating about copies
Why do you need to be fast when you outrange any enemy missiles
Yeah but you hit more and can’t get hit
Why would it need to, it outranges anything it’s fighting except SAMs and you aren’t out turning a modern SAM
>no drop tanks
Mid air refueling drones
>can’t fly high
I guess the SR-71 sucked ass because it couldn’t dogfight and had terrible bomb capacity and no tail gun. Maybe planes try to focus on what they’re actually built for instead of all being third gen dogfighters
>I've watched some DCS videos
Did the scenario stand?
The combat missions it's made to fly don't require those things.
Saying the f-35 is shit because it loses when you plop it 1v1 in close range with an air superiority fighter is like going back to ww2 and saying aircraft carriers are worse than Dreadnoughts because if you plop an Aircraft Carrier and Dreadnought next to each other the Dreadnought is going to win because it will just swing it's guns around and start laying into the aircraft carrier.
Both of those scenarios are never supposed to happen and if they do it's not the fault of the f-35 or the aircraft carrier it's the fault of command that let it get in that situation.
This shows what their intended combat missions would look like in peer air warfare.
>breaking the S-4000
They're just supposed to be able to get within range to deploy their weapons without being detected then dip dip dip whilst also being cost effective to have fucktons of them stationed on every airport america owns whether it's at home, in another land or floating. As well as not be one trick pony's that can effectively (not perfectly) perform a heap of other low risk fighter roles. For example pulling up on a commercial flight that hasn't responded in awhile and is flying off it's flight plan or telling the daily russian probes into alaska to fuck off.
Their peer combat missions with china or russia are likely going to be massive stealth armada's in the air overwhelming with numbers.
Their supposed to be a mass production work horse that can eventually replace everything else that has come before it while modern specialised bombers and air superiority fighters get built.
Oh and also supposed to be a massive see-all hear-all sensor and network node with the ability to manage and command specialised dones.
skip to 12:30 if you just want to see f-35 performance everything before that is attempting the same combat mission but without f-35's.
The AIM-120 can be used internally and is longer ranged than anything China has that's the same size or smaller though. China cannot into compact missiles.
AIIIEEEEEEEE Lockheed-sama I kneel!!
>limited weapon capacity
Same as all stealth aircraft it can carry weapons externally if you don't care about stealth
It can pull 9 g's which is more then most fighters can in a combat configuration. Besides WW2 dog fighting became obsolete some time is the 60s
>has no drop tanks
It's can fit them if required but it already carries 18,000lb of gas internally which is more then a F/A-18 with 3 drop tanks plus air to air refuelling.
>can't fly high.
It's limited to same height as every other fighter aircraft because of pilot survivability in the event of an ejection. If you want to go higher better wear a space suit.
>t's can fit them if required
No, really it can't. It's amazing how few people know this. There's literally no drop tanks for the f-35. The wings have the hardware for it but nobody ever made the tanks. It's a hypothetical capability only.
Was never fulfilled
Yeah the drop tank meme is an interesting one because the F-35 already has enough fuel and anyone generally needing to do operations at that long of a range has aerial refueling capability. Like if the US really wanted to it could probably, right now, put the pilots of an F-35 squadron based in the US on meth and have them do an airstrike in Belgorod or St Petersburg. Fuck it probably wouldn't even require meth, just some coffee mid flight. They have tankers literally everywhere.
Even Israel has the things. If they really needed to do operations inside Iran they could probably get the US to provide a stratotanker over Iraq and blow through Syrian airspace, or absolute worst case conduct air raids on Syria and Iraq with non-stealth platforms to allow tankers to orbit over Iraq.
To be fair, without refueling or drop tanks, the stated combat range of the F-35 is somewhat short, but that was clearly a design choice to make all the other things it does do work so well, since refueling is a common practice and they're also working on loyalwingmen style AI stealth refueling drones, though that's primarily a Navy project at the moment then AF from what I've read, but I have little doubt that the AF will happily buy some once the Navy gets it working, though they might be a tad gimped from needing to be carrier compatible.
but we joined for the combat meth.
Actually, the garden gnomes have them, though the USAF hasn't bought or adopted them yet afaik
Wonder if its a tank in the internal bay? If you only want one bomb anyway why not?
if it requires one bomb, for your well being you should drop two
dont want any baby goatfuckers or chinkshit to survive
>It's limited to same height as every other fighter aircraft
No it isn't. The f-22 and f-15 can fly way higher. This is essential for BVR fighting because it extends the range of missiles.
>Besides WW2 dog fighting became obsolete some time is the 60s
The 60s is when we realized that it hadn't become obsolete. You're just making things up.
With prices this low i'd be rather surprised if a few more European countries decide fuck it and just buy some F-35 A's. I wonder if we might make an offer to Morrocco if Spain holds off on the F-35B for their carriers.
The F-35 is achieving its goal of providing an excuse to use the money printer to maintain skillsets and supply chains ^_^
That's cheaper than those UH-60s Norway is buying.
Norway bought MH-60Rs, anon. ASW helicopters are very expensive. They're nicknamed "flying frigates" as a reflection not only of their capabilities, but also their cost. It's all that sonar and stuff.
Will the F-35 cement the NATO's superiority in the air domain for another five daces?
Nah. That's the job of the NGAD. The F-35 mogging everyone despite making so many compromises to be an acceptable strike plane and cost fairly low cost is just funny.
why do his finger nails look weird
He is a vampire. Didn't you know all western politicians are vampires?
Wish they would make those bros here
>Su-75: I'm forgotten even before being real
that's called "all-domain stealth" in the industry
Production units are so stealthy they might as well not even exist :^)
how did the lockmarters manage to develop a 30+ year long game plan back in the 1990s and take over an entire generation of jets before anyone else even realized what was happening?
are there any other defense companies that have ever done anything else like it? maybe ship builders?
kek, seems like Mitsubishi really is the only defense company in Japan
Well japan also does a thing where if ANY defense contractor wants to get out of the business, they basically have to sell themselves (or the military portion of the company) to Mitsubishi heavy.
So yeah, Mitsu is basically the big dog.
Going to be cool to watch the supply chain develop. 50 years from now we are going to see companies to upgrade F-35 like we saw happen to the Phantom.
>all the turdie seethe in the comments
F-35 are multinational jobs programs.
They're shit planes. More slush funds for democrat donors and turks.
You retards are fucking exhausting.
Now I'm demolarized. NATO must stop the F-35 program and scrap all airframes.
inciseful post anon, extremely high quality
good luck. LHM is maybe one of the last majority white manufacturers but they get 75%+ from small shops that employ literal brown retards and fat white bitches in QC
Nobody really knows until the day they have to actually fight in combat. But for the current price they must be great, and the thirdie opposition is clearly worse so far, anyway.
Is it a PrepHole meme now to take the contract amount and divide it by the number of purchased aircraft to get the cost per aircraft? Ignoring that it includes repairs, training crews to repair, production, missiles etc etc. I remember a few weeks ago there was a similar thread laughing at the new Flying Tractor aircraft costing a lot. The retards in the thread cited how Indonesia got Super Tucanos for X million. Yet if you followed the same logic, the Super Tucanos were actually more expensive if you bought the same amount of aircraft as the Flying Tractor.
Of course the thread shortly died after that but people really seem to do this kind of thread nowadays.
In this case the contract is explicitly just for these aircraft (and some misc engineering stuff), with support on other contracts.
>a PrepHole meme
the internet has rotted your brain
it's a perfectly sensible way to identify the real costs of operating an aircraft
>inb4 I don't include cost of petrol, maintenance, parts, insurance etc when buying cars
Have a better way? Be the change you want to see in the world stop complaining and start posting.
>You got it, boss. See you in 20 years.
>Sukhoi PAK-FA program started in 1999
>Su-57 introduced into service: 25 December 2020
>Costs more than FC-31 while being an older, worse version
Going to be a lot of buyers' remorse.
> Costs more than FC-31 while being an older, worse version
On top of it not being better than the F-35, it also costs about the same.
>the FC-31 is expected to be around $70 million
the Chinks don't count RND cost inside. $70m is flyaway cost but its probably higher than this. There is no substitute for building 1000 of these suckers but the secret is - manning each of them with highly trained, professional and combat ready pilots.
how come the chink model always looks worse like it was created in some funny factory for knock-offs: zip is too big, bottom is wrong hardness and feels wrong on the shoulder
Why can't Oinkraine buy a dozen or so?
Because we don't sell them to just anyone with the money to pay for them.
Do they still price these without the engine?
Is that with or without GFE?
Girlfriend experience ?
government furnished equipment?