F-16 in Ukraine

Give me a straight fricking answer. Are they gonna be a game changer? What I'm actually asking:

1. Do their radars have enough range to see the modern russian jets before they see them?
2. Can they lock on the russians before getting locked on themselves?
3. Are their missiles good enough to actually score hits against the sukas?

But what I'm REALLY asking is whether they'll be able to stop the glide bomb spam?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No because how you stop the FABs is to destroy the airbases the planes are launching from and the US won't allow F-16s to hit targets inside Russia.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Dutch allowed it. You're uninformed and should be quiet.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know if you take a seatbelt from a Dutch F-16 you technically have two Dutch F-16s, one which is missing a seatbelt and one which is missing the rest of the aircraft.

        But if you then take an American F-16 and dismantle it into parts consisting of a seatbelt and a rest-of-an-F-16 you can use the seatbelt to patch up your Dutch F-16 that's missing a seatbelt and you can use the remaining aircraft parts to patch up your Dutch F-16 that's missing the rest of the aircraft.

        Now you have used all the American F-16 parts up and now you have two Dutch F-16s which can both be used against Russian targets.

        You can do it with other components too, the seatbelt is just an example.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I like you. We should hang out.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          weaponised ship of theseus

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Netherlands had 68 F-16s total
          >Ukraine is flying 80 Dutch F-16s
          I'm ok with this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Dutch allowed it.
        Source?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The Dutch allowed it. You're uninformed and should be quiet.

        Ik ook. Moobik dood. Wat nou?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jokes on katsaps, because ukies are not launching their planes from airbases.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Biggest issue I've seen is apparently some nations are cucking where they can operate their F-16s. We gotta get these pussy fricks to let them strike freely wherever

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just Belgium for now, Danes, Dutch, Norwegians are all happy with Ukraine striking targets within Russia.
      The biggest problem is that s*llivan will still sperg out because muh american made jets and turn them into shahed killers.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idk. but yesterday i've heard they'll only get <30 of the >80 promissed F-16s
    and only a handfull of pilots went for training in the west

    i wish the west would stop their fricking around and just deliver 100s

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. No, but they’ll be able to network with NATO AWACS which will essentially give them that capability. Also they’re getting a couple of AWACS of their own so those may also help.
    2. It depends on what we’re going to give them in terms of air-to-air missiles. Probably nothing cutting edge so no Russia will maintain a substantial range advantage. Being able to rely on NATO AWACS really does narrow the gap though.
    3. If they can get into range then certainly, NATO air-to-air missiles are proven. Although this probably won’t happen (much) as both sides will certainly be very conservative in their ROE. The VKS has shown itself to be very cautious and generally unwilling to take risks and the Ukies will be HEAVILY outnumbered with no guaranteed channel for replacing losses so they will remain super conservative. But who knows, if they get very long range missiles and AWACS networking it could allow them to effectively hunt Russian jets in relative safety. It’s just unlikely to work out that way.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think so, and I think it will give Russia an (internal) propaganda victory every time they shoot down one of the wunderwaffe.
    Each F-16 will likely accomplish far, far less than $60 million in drones would've done. I mean that's what, 6,000 drones? Between FPV and grenade drop that's maybe 12,000 Russians dead?
    I somehow doubt each F-16 is going to kill 12,000 Russians.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The ukies got it for free, dude. Seethe much.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They're not free. How many more $60 billion aid packages do you think we have left in us?
        If that $60 billion was all in drones that would be enough to kill ~24 million Russians.
        Do you think Ukraine is going to kill more than 24 million Russians with the $60 billion in hardware we chose to give them?
        It might kill 60,000.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          * 12 million Russians

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You can not make 6000 drones out of an already constructed and existing F-16. Stop thinking real life is like a video game where money makes things magically appear. You still have to produce the drones, unlike the planes that already exist in present day.

          You are really arguing about how future capital should be prioritized but that does not make sense as Ukraine is being donated old and existing material. No F-16 has been produced for Ukraine.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >If that $60 billion was all in drones that would be enough to kill ~24 million Russians
          While I really approve of this prospect, most of the aid package is spent on logistics as well as ongoing AWACS expenses, drone recons etc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It depends a lot on what radar they receive, with the APG-66 that they come with they aren't going to be out ranging Irbis on the Su-35s.

      There have been hints at upgrades, but nothing concrete.
      They are still a fair bit better than the old Su-27s and MiG-29s the Ukrainians have but they are unlikely to completely turn the tide in the air.
      I think most likely they force the VKS to fly more conservatively and fly heavier escorts for their strike packages, which will reduce sortie rates.
      You will probably see a few Su-34s get shot down with AMRAAMs and then they will be forced to change tactics.

      The bigger effect will likely be on cruise missile defense, helping protect strategic sites in the country, and standoff deployment of munitions like HARMs, SDB, JSOW ect as a sort of counterpart to Russian glide bombs.

      Cheap drones from Alibaba aren't going to do shit about the hundreds of 1000kg glide bombs that hit the frontline every month.

      They aren't going to shoot down air launched cruise missiles.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're not free. How many more $60 billion aid packages do you think we have left in us?
      If that $60 billion was all in drones that would be enough to kill ~24 million Russians.
      Do you think Ukraine is going to kill more than 24 million Russians with the $60 billion in hardware we chose to give them?
      It might kill 60,000.

      If you don't recognize that an FPV drone fundamentally cannot fulfill the same role as a fighter aircraft then you are actually a dangerous fricking moron and should unironically have a nice day. I can't wait for your next thread about how we should just stop building ships for the navy since you can replace them with millions of FPV drones each. homosexual.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doubt each F-16 is going to kill 12,000 Russians
      Challenge. Accepted.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Russians considering basic b***h F-16's wonder weapons
      >They will relentlessly spam /k/ if one gets scratched
      Grim, and to think these are the same homosexuals claiming that they could easily shoot down a F-35

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good argument, shills in the replies getting uppity and on edge

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If so, then why did you need to reply to your own post? You're terrible at this, Olga.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Black personhomosexualisraelite

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >doubt each F-16 is going to kill 12,000 Russians
      It wouldn't matter much if they did. Russia would just send more timmies to the trenches.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Russian radars are dogshit. My c**try (Malaysia) had Fulcrums, and still operate Su-30MKM. We also have F/A-18Ds. The Hornet shit on the Fulcrums 10:1 and the Sukhois 7:1 despite being ancient 'Legacy' Hornets. Remember, these are all our pilots recruited from the same pool and trained to the same standards, so the human factor is equal. Also, our Migs and Sukhois were Guccied out with as much Western avionics as we could get installed. And the Russian planes still suck. Our Fulcrums are now grounded for a decade due to no spare parts too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting insight. What do those numbers signify? Dogfight scores or just general quality ( service, avionics, agility etc )?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they gonna be a game changer?
    There will be no ukraine when they are delivered.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good enough to have some effect but it will only delay the inevitable.

      All made by the same brown poster by the way. In case you didn't know you were posting in a shill thread.

      India is a third world country and always will be by the way. Equivalent manpower and national resources to china and yet can't even field a light fighter after +40 years in development, build a tank that isn't dogshit, or even master indoor toilets. Absolute joke country. Stick to scamming boomers and gangraping women on busses. Indian """"people"""" don't deserve oxygen.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet you haven't provided a single counter argument.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's your counterargument for Indian people not being able to shit indoors like civilized folk?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They couldn't even make a simple service rifle despite combining the stuff from the G3, M16, FAL and AK.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The F-16's they're getting have, at best, the APG-66(V)2A radar with a maximum plane detection range of 56km.

    The glidebombs are being released from distances 70km+ away from the frontline. This doesnt even factor in that russians have airplanes that significantly outrange these radars, even by the most conservative estimate.

    So no, the f-16 alone wont be enough in its current state to do anything against glide bombs. If the radars were updated to AN/APG-83 and they were given AIM-120C7+ or later, then maybe.

    IT also might be possible to link with the AWACS they're getting from Sweden, making them able to fire BVR missiles in the general direction of the russian planes dropping glide bombs. And then the AWACS will guide them instead of the f-16's. But I dont see this happening anytime soon.

    The F-16's will most likely be used for the first years to just shoot down cruise missiles, and maybe provide more ground support in the Kherson direction where russian air defense is getting BTFO

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unless they're equipped with AMRAAM Ds, no: https://youtu.be/3FnVJ0ziRTE

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Indian shill

    Good enough to have some effect but it will only delay the inevitable.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't worry about it :^)

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There is only one "game changer" weapon category on this planet currently.
    Nooks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, not really. Then you have a nuclear battlefield, which Russia is also unequipped for. Their mobiks don't even understand what radiation is.

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no, no, yes with awacs, maybe

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well it certainly helps having air capability which you didn't before. BUT as far as I am aware they're legacy variants, offering well needed but reduced capability.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cant wait till the day a su-57 gets splashed by an Ukie F-16 in BVR , the vatBlack person glowie seethe will be legendary.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they gonna be a game changer?
    Unlikely. None of the other Western wunderwaffens have been game changers.
    >inb4 but himarses
    were only effective for a few weeks before the Russians adapted

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >None of the other Western wunderwaffens have been game changers.
      HIMARS pretty much lost you the war, petukhi.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Post melitopol and severodonetsk

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Post Kherson, little wiener.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    F16s will be used mostly to lob glide bombs from maximum distance. I strongly suspect Ukraine will get Gripens to actually take on the Russian air presence, it's just being kept secret until it happens.

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they gonna be a game changer?
    Depends a lot of what comes with them, give them a HARMs pods and 4 HARMs each and they'll frick Russian SAMs to death in short order.
    Give them HARMs without the pods and they'll be missing more and taking more risks looking for targets.

    >1. Do their radars have enough range to see the modern russian jets before they see them?
    Radar ranges for gen 4 vs gen 4 are longer than missile ranges, they are both going to see eachother before they can fire.
    They aren't going to get AESA radars which means they aren't the best we have but they are still pretty good.
    >2. Can they lock on the russians before getting locked on themselves?
    See above.
    >3. Are their missiles good enough to actually score hits against the sukas?
    lol, they are getting AIM-120Cs which will have no issues at all.
    >But what I'm REALLY asking is whether they'll be able to stop the glide bomb spam?
    Not really, fighters shooting down bombs is always going to be a waste of a fighter.

    If you want someone to say "they'll win the war in weeks" I'm sure you'll find someone here stupid enough to say it, if you want the truth they could make a huge difference but ROE says they can't bomb Russia.
    Overall effects will be similar to HIMARS, force Russia to pull further back, make Russia rebase planes, kill Russian SAMs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Euros have said that the f16s may strike targets in Russia, if it's used for self defense per the Danes. Of course self defense can mean a lot of things.

      like most these beauty queen nato weapons, they only work in peacetime conditions. with their purpose being the impressing of politicians and convince investors, these f16s for example require a pristine and long airstrip to even take off.. neither of which exist in the former ssr after particular calibrations

      You guys used to be better at bait.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    like most these beauty queen nato weapons, they only work in peacetime conditions. with their purpose being the impressing of politicians and convince investors, these f16s for example require a pristine and long airstrip to even take off.. neither of which exist in the former ssr after particular calibrations

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >their purpose being the impressing of politicians and convince investors
      Western weapons do that AND actually do work as per their specs and more, unlike vaporware T-14, Su-57, and all the weak and easily destroyed russian stuff, pidor

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go lil fella go! CHADPRO at it again

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they gonna be a...

    They are not going to be.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are they gonna be a game changer?
    The plane itself just a platform for various weapons.

    If NATO chooses to supply the good stuff and in quantity, then YES.

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