External frame chads?

Talk me out of buying a stupid second hand external frame rucksack from the distant past (1970s)

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >from the distant past
    The webbing going to be dried out and need replacing. External frame backpacks are shit. There's a reason we abandoned them so quickly. A pack from the 70s is going to have minimal padding on the shoulder straps and nothing on the hips. Unless you are exceptionally broad shouldered and tad overweight, you are going to hate every second you have it on your back.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Was trying to debate the other day whether or not I should pick up a plastic frame for my molle bag or continue to mount it on my aluminum alice. I also have an ILBE with the plastic inner frame. I read a whole lot about how the internal frame squeaks and has a tendency to snap in cold weather as opposed to the external steel/aluminum frames. The only thing that the ILBE frame has up over my ALICE is that it holds the bag closer to my back, which is nice.

      what makes the internal frames better than external?
      [picrel is my Molle lashed up to my external frame]

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Internal frames keep the load lower on your center of gravity so if you’re doing anything but walking down a gravel road you’re not fighting against momentum with every little sidestep. This advantage is completely negated when loads become larger. Internal frames can’t support a very high load, so the packs become wider and thicker.

        People switched to internal frames when gear got smaller and lighter. Of course most people are morons and didn’t understand why, and they still wanted enormous packs, so there was a demand for very large internal frame packs.

        Obviously you could use an internal frame pack with a small load and have it low on your center of gravity, but the pack itself will be heavier than in internal frame (generally).

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          You can easily adjust your center of gravity by moving the load up or down. Higher will place the weight above your hips making the load feel lighter but can feel top heavy on “ technical”terrain. You create a lever when the load is too low

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Bought an Alice pack today with the full metal frame. That shit is magic.
        What ever pinny pincer decided to move the military to plastic frames should be shot.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          militarygays deserve nothing better

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Weatherproof, strong and corrosion resistant. ALICE had a lot of things right and if the people still designing for the military still gave a shit instead of trying to cut corners, it would produce some pretty good equipment.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The current packs are designed by Arc’teryx.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              They are heavy as hell and in a terrible digital camo.

              I have a Swedish LK35 that I bought when for some reason they were flying off the shelves. Never used it once. Probably should give it a try.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >weight of milsurp
                That’s a new complaint.
                >I don’t like the way it clashes with the rest of my LARP costume
                Legitimate concern, to be sure.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >That’s a new complaint.
                Huh? It's just very heavy given that people always rush to mention that it is developed by Arc’teryx. At that point you might as well just get a civilian Arc’teryx. Even the Bora is lighter and usually cheaper in better condition online.

                Regardless, it's an internal frame anyway.

                >Legitimate concern, to be sure.
                Projection. The camo isn't very good to me is all I'm saying. I'm not a huge fan of digital camo or really bright colors that you see with most modern consumer packs. Not to say I wouldn't use them, but I just don't really care for the color is all.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Weatherproof, strong and corrosion resistant. ALICE had a lot of things right and if the people still designing for the military still gave a shit instead of trying to cut corners, it would produce some pretty good equipment.

          You're a fudd. There's nothing wrong with the plastic frame on the MOLLE packs, and they're build like a tank. Hell, I'm glad the thing has one since the ruck still weighs more than 10 lb. on its own. Only god knows how heavy that pack would have been if the frame was aluminum.

          They are heavy as hell and in a terrible digital camo.

          I have a Swedish LK35 that I bought when for some reason they were flying off the shelves. Never used it once. Probably should give it a try.

          Army doesn't make shit in UCP anymore. They switched over to a new pattern like 8 years ago. You can also snag some early MOLLE stuff in woodland, though it's much more expensive than old ALICE surp.

          >weight of milsurp
          That’s a new complaint.
          >I don’t like the way it clashes with the rest of my LARP costume
          Legitimate concern, to be sure.

          Milsurp has never prioritized being lightweight. They build that shit meant to take a beating.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >12,000 BCE-1990 CE
      >abandoned quickly

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        fr medieval homies strapping their entire life onto their back with some twigs and string but users in this thread posting like you're going to die because your pack is 10g too heavy and doesn't have le latest model padded straps.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Who said that in this thread?
          Are the ultra lighters in the room with you now?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Medieval travellers didn't carry a tent and sleeping bag - they slept at the inn, in a hay loft, in barn or wrapped in a cloak. They didn't walk 20 miles a day for weeks, they did long trips in stages that were 4-5 days max. They didn't carry a week's food with them - they bought it at farms and markets along the way. They didn't plan their route above the tree line, over the highest peaks in the area - they stuck to the paths and roads near rivers and along the bottom of the valley.

          You do understand the difference, right?

          >12,000 BCE-1990 CE
          >abandoned quickly

          Were internal frames available in 12000 BCE?

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    homies wanna be different so badly

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why not? they're like $10.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you are on a budget this is all you need unless you are doing tactical stuff or steep scrambling. All modern externals are better than the old ones.

    Internal frame has no practical advantage whatsoever over external.
    An internal frame pack like the
    >Lundhags Gnaur
    can be just as capable as most externals but most of the time internal frame simply translates partial frame or no frame at all. Those simply suck. If you are carrying less than 20lbs it doesn't matter what kind of pack you have. You can just go by features.
    The weight of a backpack also doesnt matter in practice. Ignore the soi-packers.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >The weight of a backpack also doesnt matter in practice.
      >No, I’ve never actually been on a long hike
      >How could you tell?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        post legs, weakling

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          This is typical of people who have never hiked a long distance. No matter what, a lighter pack is easier to carry. You know your argument is based on shit you assumed rather than lived experience.

          >a lighter pack isn’t easier to carry than a heavier one.
          How moronic are you? I mean sure, when you’re just carrying it from your car to the concrete tent pad it really doesn’t matter.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >No matter what, a lighter pack is easier to carry.
            If all else were equal, but it isn't. If you need to carry a heavy load, you'll appreciate the weight of thicker pads and a stiffer frame. If you're walking 2,000 miles, then sure, spend $300 on an ultralight pack. If you're only going 5 miles innawoods with as much beer and ammo as you can carry, an old external frame isn't just good enough, it's better.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >they’re better for heavier loads
              Why do t we move the goalposts again and say that they suck because pack mules exist?

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >No matter what, a lighter pack is easier to carry.
            The backpack that has the best carrying system is easiest to carry irrespective of whether the backpack weighs 1kg or 4kg. sub-12kg loads don't count. You don't need an expensive backpack for that. any backpack will do.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      you can get modern external frames
      https://seekoutside.com/lightweight-backpacks/
      here's some high end ones
      another anon already posted a budget one
      the only reason to use that 1970's bullshit is if you're actually destitute poor

      >The weight of a backpack also doesnt matter in practice. Ignore the soi-packers.
      a lot of those packs weigh the same on their own as a normal person carries for a 3,000 mile thru hike.

      https://i.imgur.com/MuevMhU.jpg

      post legs, weakling

      looks right off the parking lot.

      >No matter what, a lighter pack is easier to carry.
      The backpack that has the best carrying system is easiest to carry irrespective of whether the backpack weighs 1kg or 4kg. sub-12kg loads don't count. You don't need an expensive backpack for that. any backpack will do.

      12kg is about the same, if anything more, than most people use to do north america's thru hikes. they're all at least about 3,000 miles through wilderness.
      nothing comparable to them exists in europe, so foreigner morons just don't have the experience to know what they're talking about unless they travel.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        European backpacking consists of walking 10km down a farm road then hiding in the bushes for a few days. It’s why they suggest goofy shit like taking whole potatoes and using bivy bags.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          i can't stand how those gays call it "wild camping"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >nothing comparable to them exists in europe
        You can literally just walk a long way in some direction its not complicated like just because there isnt a subreddit where you can live blog your long walk lol

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/rzRyGV2.jpg

        >nothing comparable to them exists in europe
        You can literally just walk a long way in some direction its not complicated like just because there isnt a subreddit where you can live blog your long walk lol

        heres ur special rugged americans only long distance hike lol do they make the mountains wheelchair accessible

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          the completion rate for PCT is under 15%. a lot of morons try, not as many succeed.
          >muh there's towns along the way
          most of the serious thru hikers just charge their batteries, get a beer, and move along unless they get held up by weather.
          any thru-hike in europe will have 500x more towns along the way. you don't have wilderness the way we do in america.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        you sound jealous?

        I meet a lot of Americans during hiking season. They come with their ultra light stuff, and then have a really bad mood after the first rain and transition to hiking hut to hut because they can't handle the weather, or the wind is "blowing too strong" for them to sleep in their DCF trekking pole tents. Scandinavian fjell is if at all only comparable to Alaska above treeline during the summer.
        I hiked the PCT from snowqualmi pass to kennedy meadows in 2015 with my regular scandi gear in three months on a normal tourist visa. it's easy walking for 1000 miles. probably 16kg + food. Must be something wrong with your knees. Maybe do some more calf raises at the gym. You do work out anon, don't you?
        I don't even care how heavy my backpack is. I think its a mental illness.
        Hiking the Green Ribbon is much more difficult and a much greater achievement than any of the three American thru-hikes anyways. And that's something I do a trail twice that per year for work alone.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Green Ribbon
          https://www.utsidan.se/tracklogs/view.htm?ID=1611

          1000 miles. Its def. more challenging than the PCT.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            you sound jealous?

            I meet a lot of Americans during hiking season. They come with their ultra light stuff, and then have a really bad mood after the first rain and transition to hiking hut to hut because they can't handle the weather, or the wind is "blowing too strong" for them to sleep in their DCF trekking pole tents. Scandinavian fjell is if at all only comparable to Alaska above treeline during the summer.
            I hiked the PCT from snowqualmi pass to kennedy meadows in 2015 with my regular scandi gear in three months on a normal tourist visa. it's easy walking for 1000 miles. probably 16kg + food. Must be something wrong with your knees. Maybe do some more calf raises at the gym. You do work out anon, don't you?
            I don't even care how heavy my backpack is. I think its a mental illness.
            Hiking the Green Ribbon is much more difficult and a much greater achievement than any of the three American thru-hikes anyways. And that's something I do a trail twice that per year for work alone.

            quick search on the ultralight forums shows most of the american ultralighters who've done gröna bandet didn't really have any issues with the gear or difficulty. its a lot shorter and you're only preparing for a single set of conditions. pct has you going from deserts to cold rain to snowy mountains and back again all along the way. they seem pretty different and hard to compare to each other. the few people i've found online who say they've done both don't seem to act like gröna bandet is any harder.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >quick search on the ultralight forums
              >shows most of the american ultralighters who've done gröna bandet
              fricking moron. god i hate thru gays even more than cyclists and vegans. you're insufferable

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          alaska and norway have extreme weather, yes.
          most of europe is a total joke for PrepHole and you know it.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          No one believes any of this.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            The amerigay fears the viking

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >I can't accomplish this myself so I refuse to believe that anybody else can because I don't want to feel inferior

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >a lot of those packs weigh the same on their own as a normal person carries for a 3,000 mile thru hike.
        lol
        >the completion rate for PCT is under 15%. a lot of morons try, not as many succeed.
        lmao, even
        only thing stopping anyone with a normal life from completing is time, money and commitment. a pensioner or neet could easily do it. stop getting high off your own farts

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Get a used kelty.

          To be fair most people probably quit for psychological reasons and a minimum baseline of health is necessary to make it enjoyable. Experience also helps - most people don't have it.

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Don't get a fricking 1970s dogshit cheap ass sack.
    Get a modern external frame from ~2006, that's the pinnacle of development and comfort until every single manufacturer started cucking to the internal frame israelite.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Peak pack design was Jansport frames with aluminum hip wings.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      luv me dad's old external frame

      hell yeah

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have one similar to your picture, I like it a lot. I get less back pain and shoulder fatigue compared to my modern pack. Mine only cost me $20, so just buy one and see if you like it.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Why would I? You should definitely do it and have fun using it.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    For me, it's the Kelty 65.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I have three externals
    1. Old karrimore, large, easy to figure out for friends who don't/out/. Still had train tickets from the 80's in it when I got it out the trash
    2. Smaller pack, can't remember the brand, also got it out the trash
    3. A.L.I.C.E swear they must have modeled that exactly on me, because it's one of the best fitting backpacks I own

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    The amount of times I've read "A lighter pack is easier to carry" is too damn high. Lower mass weighs less? Fricking incredible physics insight! Thanks, Einsteins.

    Actually, though, you're all wrong. The insane cushioning and harness design on my heavy (by internal frame standards) Mystery Ranch pack make it feel 20 lbs. lighter when it's 40ish lbs.

    20 lbs. lighter than what, you may ask? Glad you asked, 20 lbs. lighter than the packs made of thin plastic tarp with zero functional cushioning and minimal harnessing.

    It is objectively easier to carry 40 lbs. in a Mystery Ranch pack than 20 in a Dyneema tarp sack for any amount of miles, anywhere. Why? Because excellent support, balance, and weight distribution can in fact cause 40 lbs. to place less stress on your joints and musculature and sap less of your energy than 20 lbs. in a limp plastic sack that offers almost nothing.

    The last discussion I had with an ultralight gay on this board, he had no idea what a hoist strap was, and tore the wussy thin shoulder strap on his $500 brand-new Dyneema garbage bag the first time he tried to lift it incorrectly. Of course the manufacturer still sent him a replacement. After all, he was dumb enough to buy one Dyneema bag, so he'll be buying more later.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This is the reason my wife convinced me to strap my balls to a stainless steel rack, it's just much easier to walk around.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      That 40lb pack would be easier to carry if you didn’t put so much weight in it, so they’re not wrong.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Translation: I’m a pussy that needs 40 pounds of comfort items to larp as homeless for the night, i will never hike more than 5 miles in a day

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        That 40lb pack would be easier to carry if you didn’t put so much weight in it, so they’re not wrong.

        food you stupid Black folk. 30lbs is food for 16 days. Welcome to the Fjell.
        Actually you better stay on the AT. I don't want you hurting your knees or anything.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Du er ikke norsk men any hiking will destroy your knees, carrying 35 extra pounds will do so much quicker

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            https://jumpstronger.com/knees-over-toes-exercises/
            Whenever I got home from a long trip (1 to 6 months) I jumped straight into this program and my knees were fine after 3 weeks. They also recover fully over the wintertime even without any special training as long as you are not sedetary (you need to put some pressure on your body for it to have a reason to heal, the knee won't heal fully if you just do nothing), and I'm 35 now, but I make sure I have a good athletic baseline before I go on trips.

            >every trip I go on is a two week excursion
            Sure it is, Friend.
            Sure it is.

            And if you were ever to go on a shorter trip, do you think your pack would be easier to carry?

            >every trip I go on is a two week excursion
            Gear on short trips doesn't matter. There's absolutely no need to spend money on it. Just take what you already have. Sometimes I do them in larp gear for fun. But most of the time I take regular gear just for the training effect.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              You can easily do any two week trip and enjoy it to the fullest extend with just used old gear if you are fit. It's really only a matter of fitness. The fitter you are the more money you can save.

              I could easily do 4 week backpacking or kajaking with just this, like this guy:

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >he doesn't hunt, fish, and gather his own food
          Get a load of this casual, guys

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >every trip I go on is a two week excursion
          Sure it is, Friend.
          Sure it is.

          And if you were ever to go on a shorter trip, do you think your pack would be easier to carry?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >claims a 10lb baseweight with a Mystery Ranch pack
          Black person you need to post your gear list. The Bridget is easily 5lbs.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Black person you need to post your gear list. The Bridget is easily 5lbs.
            Two different guys. First guy shitting on Dyneema garbage bags was (Me), second guy is someone else. I know jack shit about Fjell, although I've seen it being discussed on this board just recently.

            Carrying 40 lbs. won't destroy your knees when you're old, because I carried much more than that in an external frame frequently and extensively throughout the 1990s, I'm in my 40s, and not only are my knees intact, I swim and inline skate for some of my exercise, and I wade rivers while fly fishing (which can be quite the workout, and hard on the knees).

            Absolutely every single person claiming that carrying more than 20 lbs. (which is almost nothing) on a hike will destroy your knees is a an urban softbody in his or her teens or early 20s, making shit up to cope with being eternally out of shape. "Being in shape" doesn't just mean not being fat, and it doesn't mean being ripped, either.

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ive been using an external frame (camptrails which is the best) in Alaska the last two years where I have backpack hunted over 1200 miles. I rarely exceed 50 lbs (rifle and binos included in that weight) unless doing a meat pack out.

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