Exploring the Giant Matchlock Guns of the Samurai

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This pic makes me want to Christianize Japan with the Otomo again

    Praise Jesus and pass the ammunition

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      We christianized Korea and it led to tons of heretical cults that now have real political power in Korea and Japan. The same almost happened in Japan if it wasn't for Toyotomi Hideyoshi. Much later it almost happened again in China with the Taiping Rebellion. A christian monarchy that existed in the Chinese heartland for 13 years starting 1851. The last one might have been better than what we ended up with though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The last one might have been better than what we ended up with though
        Yeah, nah, the Taiping made freakin' Mao look positively peaceful and well-adjusted.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          True but it was the 19th c, literal wild west times. Who the fuck knows how it would have played out had they defeated the Qing

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Taiping made the Puritans look like free love hippies. No.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The Taiping made the Puritans look like free love hippies. No.

          okay what's with the fucking chinese history majors browsing /k/

          both of y'all, who should rule China right now and why

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta but it should be me so I can get a harem of Chinese qts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not a Sinoboo or anything but Chinese history is interesting.
            >who should rule China right now and why
            The Republic obviously.
            >Why
            Because democracy and parliamentary republics will lead to peace and "The End of History".

            • 1 month ago
              sage

              >The Republic obviously
              You don't disappoint

            • 1 month ago
              sage

              >Chinese history is interesting
              I was at the museum in Taipei looking at some warring states era weapons. Overheard a japanese tourist next tot me say to his friend "This is just like in Kingdom!!". I considered saying something but my autistic ass just chuckled internally and moved on

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Kingdom?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_(manga)

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >dying of diabetes and still eats ice cream
              Very based

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Because democracy and parliamentary republics will lead to peace and "The End of History"
              Gay, retarded, and immediately dismissed.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >.t bootlicker

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Same logic.

                Anyone who invokes "The End of History"™ for any purpose other than citing the historical moment is immediately branded a retard. Especially for assuming that representative government will somehow lead us to a utopia. Every form of government is deeply-flawed, the seeds of its own destruction sown at the founding. To look at the arc of history and see anything else is to be willfully blind.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Name any moment in human history other than now where there has been more peace in the world?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                This has been the bloodiest century in human history, retard.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Didn't Genghis Khan's horde wipe out something like 20% of the world's current population?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                One of the most incorrect statements ever made on this board. Refrain from ever calling someone else a retard again

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Post your gun fag.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                well he's only one century off

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >This has been the bloodiest century in human history, retard.
                lol you're stupid

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Democracies are literally the most successful for of government. Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere. You can't.
                >Inb4 but white people
                Even the nastiest, niggiest, big-lipped, tar babbys of nagger nations do better under liberal democratic systems than any other form of government.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                How long has democracy been around, though?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Even more reason to say that it's better. In thousands of years of all kinds of governments, none managed to make the world into a virtual paradise like the one you live in today.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Paradise
                This is a nightmare world and everyone with a shred of decency is praying daily for its collapse.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're talking to strangers through a magic box. You can get food at any time and there is zero chance of you being enslaved by a conquering army. You live in the one of the best nations at one of the best times in human history. You live in paradise and wish for hell simply because you have no idea what that other world is like. You are a pampered child with angst, nothing more.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself--as though that were so necessary-- that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar. And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point! I believe in it, I answer for it, for the whole work of man really seems to consist in nothing but proving to himself every minute that he is a man and not a piano-key!

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >there is zero chance of you being enslaved by a conquering army
                Where the fuck did you come up with that?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                This was a real risk for most people throughout most of the world in human history. You might even get sacrificed.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I know that, I'm asking why you don't think that's a possibility today?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Because presumably you live in a western liberal democracy. You live in one of the most enviable time and place in human history.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay that's all well and good, but that's by no means a guarantee that shit won't go south. Maybe not next week, that'd be a pretty epic collapse, but getting wrecked by an invader and living the rest of my life in a vassal state is not an unreasonable fear.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What country?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                this abominable world certainly needs mending but a collapse wouldn't fix anything, countless innocents would die and those still alive be taken by warlords.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Democracy predates humanity. Pretty much every social creature actively decides what to do based on the will of the majority. Some even go so far as to have votes where they fucking sneeze or some stupid shit, and if enough of them sneeze it's time to hunt.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Even the nastiest, niggiest, big-lipped, tar babbys of nagger nations do better under liberal democratic systems
                AKA, the ones that are receiving gibsmedats from western nations.

                >Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere.
                Industrialization is responsible for prosperity, retard. The system of government does not matter. Pre-WW2 Nazi germany had a better standard of living than the 1st or 2nd Reich. Why? Industrialization. The ROC and PRC are also materially much better off than they were before they industrialized. Industrialization is very difficult, if not impossible, under a democracy. In fact, Japan was pretty much never a democracy. The idea that you can simply vote yourself into being materially and financially better off is ludicrous. It takes mass co-ordination, scale, political and social control, the right conditions, an educated populace, and many other factors, many of which democracy is ill-suited to provide.
                >but the US did it
                Only 2 political parties for over a century, not a real democracy.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Industrialization is responsible for prosperity, retard
                So why isn't China as prosperous as the US? Why isn't Russia? Why isn't North Korea? Those are all industrialized nations, and yet living there sucks. This is anti-liberal cope.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                3rd Reich; Yes I'm sure having a national butter shortage as front page news pre-WW2 was a sign of a great standard of living.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Democracies are literally the most successful for of government. Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere. You can't.
                Republics.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You realize that's like saying a square is better than a rectangle, right?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                A square has a consistent ratio and symmetry. Rectangles are comparatively chaotic.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                And yet a square is a rectangle.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                correct. tards like the anon you replied to are the same ones who promote every tard having a say in our lives.

                You realize that's like saying a square is better than a rectangle, right?

                a smooth brain would say something so retarded. got any more glorious insights?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                correct. tards like the anon you replied to are the same ones who promote every tard having a say in our lives.

                [...]
                a smooth brain would say something so retarded. got any more glorious insights?

                are literally the most successful for of government. Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere. You can't.
                >Republics.
                >correct
                Respublica and democratia are the same word from the different languages you fucking retards and they mean the same thing.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Word meanings change over thousands of years and "republic" and "democracy" do in fact have different definitions in American English, which is the common language of this website.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I ain't really a history major, I just found a list of bloodiest wars in China and holy shit, the Taiping killed more chinese people than the KMT, commies and Japs combined during the 30's and 40's, and over a shorter timeframe.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah but they did bad stuff too.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            me because i want to be rich and powerful

            nta but it should be me so I can get a harem of Chinese qts

            i will accept a dual rulership agreement

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >who should rule China right now and why
            No one, china should be balkanized into a dozen countries as it existed for a half of their history. China gets "reunified" all the time only because chinks are so inherently bad at warfare that any marginally competent warlord manages to conquer whole region before he chinkifies and becomes shit at war again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The Taiping were fucking insane though. Manchus were seen as literal demons only fit to be burned alive. And the "Heavenly King" himself fucked around with his harem all day while his underlings killed each other and outlawed sex even between married couples. And then he killed himself by eating poisonous berries which he thought was Manna from Heaven.
        No wonder that Buddhism took root in Asia, asians can't deal with exoteric teachings because a billion wannabe brothers and nephews of Jesus will start a local cult. Esoteric teachings such as Buddhism where they are dripfed teachings over a lifetime is the only way to keep them in line.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >outlawed sex even between married couples
          What fucking genius cooked that one up?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Manchus were seen as literal demons only fit to be burned alive.
          What exactly is the problem here?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If that’s true then how come the one Japanese cult that survived long enough to get nuked personally by zog in 45 was so immeasurably based?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this gay conspiracy again. hey retard if the israelites wanted to kill christians so bad why didnt they drop one on germany the much more christian and white nation. its almost like a naval port is a legitimate target or something.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Christianized Korea
        Protestantism is not Christianity, it's literally in the name

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Are you retarded or just trolling?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You're confusing catholicism with Christianity.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >We christianized Korea

        Koreans christianised themselves thank you very much

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      KRISTIANS FUCKING SHITS
      GET OFF MY ISRAND !!!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ThiccBoomBoi. Are any companies in the US making working reproductions? I ask this question each time an old Nihon flint thread pops up and no one can give a proper response. Please I want one.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    These guys rocked in Shogun 2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Did they have an Odzutsu unit? I still have to play FoTS and only remember matchlock ashigaru and samurai from the base game. I imagine by FoTS their ditching these beasts for revolvers and proper rifles.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Shimazu have them as a Clan-exclusive unit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No shit? Guess I need to get on that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Very endgame unit, but they're hilarious:
            https://shogun2-encyclopedia.com/units/up1_inf_missile_heavy_gunner_shimazu.html

            They came with the patch or DLC that gave every clan a unique unit on top of the upgraded ones they had from the start.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Nice. That's what I love about those TW games, there's always some unit I never heard about lurking in the game.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Eventually a deal was done: the smith got lessons in gun making from a second group of Portuguese traders; they got the smith's daughter. A harsh bargain for harsh times, perhaps.
              🙁

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Suckers. Puss comes and goes but smithing knowledge is priceless.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                idk sounds like a good deal to me. you get to share the joy of firearms with your new island asiatic bro and he lets you fuck his daughter as thanks. everyone wins.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    nobodys gonna post the pic? is it too soon?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So what the fuck are these things supposed to do? Are they big shotguns? Are they primitive hand-cannons? I am unclear on the purpose of such ludicrously large smoothbores.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Are you really too retarded to open links?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Primitive? Japanese firearms were reasonably advanced for their age.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >advanced for their age
          their primitive age

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Or in other words hundreds of years more advanced than Primitive Hand-Cannons.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck we need some repros in the states.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        We do?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Fuck yeah imagine taking something like that to the range. ROs will seethe

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Haha yeah that would be epic

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    kawai!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So this is an Odzutsu, right? Also would wife, she's got the enthusiasm I crave in a partner.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >playing Shogun 2 with Shimazu Heavy Gunners
    >vastly outnumbered
    >siege battle
    >enemy general dismounts and starts climbing wall
    >single Heavy Gunner fires a single shot down the wall
    >kills 8 people including the general with one shot
    >morale fucked, I win the battle
    Was great fun. Shimazu were just the most fun faction. Better gunners, better katanas (who doesn't like katanas?) and better katana heroes.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How about long range, crew served matchlock?

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its kind of off topic but a ton of people are talking about it already anyway. Are shimazu heavy gunners really better than normal matchlock ashigaru/samurai? The unit card said they dealt less damage overtime so I didnt bother with them

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If your answer to what's good in Shogun 2 isn't "Oda Long Yari Ashigaru wall 20 stack" you have the wrong answer

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        enjoy getting raped by skirmishers
        but yeah oda long ashigaru are fantastic

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >shimazu heavy gunners really better
      Hisforically they were used as anti-materiel guns as much as antipersonnel weapons if not more. Used to attack gates, fences, shield walls etc and make holes for the musket gunners to go through

      [...]
      are literally the most successful for of government. Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere. You can't.
      >Republics.
      >correct
      Respublica and democratia are the same word from the different languages you fucking retards and they mean the same thing.

      Word meanings change over thousands of years and "republic" and "democracy" do in fact have different definitions in American English, which is the common language of this website.

      A republic is a representative democracy.
      >circle==squared

      >Even the nastiest, niggiest, big-lipped, tar babbys of nagger nations do better under liberal democratic systems
      AKA, the ones that are receiving gibsmedats from western nations.

      >Name a more prosperous moment for humanity anywhere.
      Industrialization is responsible for prosperity, retard. The system of government does not matter. Pre-WW2 Nazi germany had a better standard of living than the 1st or 2nd Reich. Why? Industrialization. The ROC and PRC are also materially much better off than they were before they industrialized. Industrialization is very difficult, if not impossible, under a democracy. In fact, Japan was pretty much never a democracy. The idea that you can simply vote yourself into being materially and financially better off is ludicrous. It takes mass co-ordination, scale, political and social control, the right conditions, an educated populace, and many other factors, many of which democracy is ill-suited to provide.
      >but the US did it
      Only 2 political parties for over a century, not a real democracy.

      >Industrialization is responsible for prosperity, retard. The system of government does not matter.
      Resoundingly false. This has been quantified for decades. Liberal, representative, more-democratic states are wealthier more productive and have higher quality-of-life metrics than authoritarian, non-representative, less-democratically states. China would be the canonical modern example, it's prosperity is directly tied to its widespread liberalization.

      Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick. He would even risk his cakes and would deliberately desire the most fatal rubbish, the most uneconomical absurdity, simply to introduce into all this positive good sense his fatal fantastic element. It is just his fantastic dreams, his vulgar folly that he will desire to retain, simply in order to prove to himself--as though that were so necessary-- that men still are men and not the keys of a piano, which the laws of nature threaten to control so completely that soon one will be able to desire nothing but by the calendar. And that is not all: even if man really were nothing but a piano-key, even if this were proved to him by natural science and mathematics, even then he would not become reasonable, but would purposely do something perverse out of simple ingratitude, simply to gain his point. And if he does not find means he will contrive destruction and chaos, will contrive sufferings of all sorts, only to gain his point! He will launch a curse upon the world, and as only man can curse (it is his privilege, the primary distinction between him and other animals), may be by his curse alone he will attain his object--that is, convince himself that he is a man and not a piano-key! If you say that all this, too, can be calculated and tabulated--chaos and darkness and curses, so that the mere possibility of calculating it all beforehand would stop it all, and reason would reassert itself, then man would purposely go mad in order to be rid of reason and gain his point! I believe in it, I answer for it, for the whole work of man really seems to consist in nothing but proving to himself every minute that he is a man and not a piano-key!

      A fucking Russian would say that. Because Russians are dogshit people in a dogshit society

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A fucking Russian would say that.
        Post gun, fag.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cool thread about japanese matchlocks btw

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok since we are having a Tanegashima thread, I've been interested in getting a teppo, is there a chance I could find a someone in the states to commision a teppo without Having to possible use an original?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >getting a teppo, is there a chance I could find a someone in the states to commision a teppo
      X
      but you could get a matchlock kit and customize the stock to match the japanese style

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