>ends conventional small arms in your path

>ends conventional small arms in your path

What’s the argument against giving these to all soldiers on the modern battlefield

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >gets killed by $30 IED
    That's why.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why not just issue everyone IEDs instead of guns?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Because the government doesn't like it when their subjects can end them at any time.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is the scope aiming the barrel?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cost of ammunition, low amount of ammunition that can be carried per soldier. Would you prefer 100 bullets or 1 grenade?

      high slow parabolic trajectory.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2 few booleets

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    explain what it is first

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Semi auto Grenade launcher

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your proposal is foolish and almost heretical.
    Only marines are able to properly handle the bolter.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like my soldiers to have guns they can use at close quarters and over 1000 feet at elevated angles.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly no idea why development of multi shot launchers is subject to so much feet dragging, at least in the West. You guys happily drop bombs on civvies all the time but when it comes to explosive launchers at the squad level the weapons have been mostly frozen in time. Mostly single shot launchers with maybe just A multi-shot revolver in inventory.

    If making a magazine that can reliably index such large rounds in time for a semi-auto is a problem, I understand, but why does it have to make overall development go at a glacial pace? Why not make a pump action instead? It doesn't have to be tube fed, a box mag pump is essentially a straight pull bolt action; nothing complicated.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > why wouldn't MIC R&D make most of the MIC completely irrelevant?

      Answered your own question. The current status quo is maximally expensive, which incidentally gets people rich at home while also crushing competitors who are not rich enough to play the game.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's a lack of demand
      there just isn't any perceived need for semi-automatic grenade launchers in the military, so they don't get funded
      This is why grenade launchers should be legal for civilians to own, demand would quickly jump start development of a home defense grenade launcher capable of everything you desire

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There was perceived need once with the XM25. The reason it died was more of bureaucratic nonsense than actual performance. Also being bullpup meant it wouldn't look like hell to carry and shoulder like the SSW40 in the OP; that full mag must be pretty hefty.

        If 25mm was too small then it would have been pretty trivial to upgrade it to 30+, the core system was solid enough. If programmable rounds were too expensive to mass-issue after official adoption then you could easily just make dumb impact-fuse rounds for it.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Nobody likes trying to lob impact fuse grenades at infantry sized targets. They arc a lot. So much that it becomes a problem when there's stuff above the line of sight to the target. Like some kind of tree branch or a traffic light. High arcing trajectories also mean that being off in your elevation makes a much bigger difference to where the round lands. With a bullet, you don't need to worry about the landing point of the bullet. You just need to make sure the bullet's flight path intersects with the target at some point.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a home defense grenade launcher capable of everything you desire
        Lost it
        Dude I'm in

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The US deployed one for trials. Soldiers really liked it, but there were complaints we well. What people don't get is that every system has a learning curve and trade-offs, and you will always have negative reviews. Users planned the M1 carbine as too weak. Similar complaints were made about 5.56mm. Now we have the opposite complaints about 6.8mm.

      The military doesn't want to invest too much into a design and then realize they picked the wrong thing. A key issue is do you go with flatter trajectory smaller grenades, like 20mm, or the common 40mm. Or do you go for a medium? Weight and range are issues, as are the expenses for fancy proximity grenades. However, grenades are also a good solution to the proliferation of armor.

      Notably, the Marines are expanding grenade use. Look at their new squad setup. You have stand alone launchers and a lot of underbarrel launchers. If that ends up working for them expect more stand alone launchers.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that's pretty cool, but 40 mm grenades will always be too heavy/bulky to replace rifles. it's a difference whether you can take several hundred shots, or a few dozen.

        But the point is that you don't have to fire a hundred times. If your organization does not allow for one man to be a dedicated grenadier with the special weapon that can end a firefight in one shot, then perhaps you should consider increasing the size of squads.

        Don't hand the guy a rifle, give him a big handgun for room clearing and that will do.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What’s the argument against giving these to all soldiers on the modern battlefield
    The soldier can only carry 2 spare mags of the thing at best
    Your soldier is now useless in the thing's minimum safe range
    Collateral damage increases exponentially
    Loss of accurate and/or long range capabilities
    Increassed costs in maintaining a army supplied with the 40mms, both in manufacture and logistics in delivering adequate amount of munitions to fully equip your forces

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not a significant enough improvement over underbarrels or standalones that already exist, and the engagement range is lower than a rifle.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The BW is supposedly interested in them, which might mean the marines adopt some

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She yet lives

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That helmet is too small for her.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    zogbots would use it as a dildo and create some sort of monkey pox superbug

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't argue with those digits

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      retard, since its being sent towards the enemy, having disease-covered grenades would be an advantage

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that's pretty cool, but 40 mm grenades will always be too heavy/bulky to replace rifles. it's a difference whether you can take several hundred shots, or a few dozen.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      iirc a number of these, particularly the automatics, use 20-25mm to address the weight and quantity issue, as well as to increase range and get a better trajectory.

      This is an area where smart scopes and smart proximity munitions can add a lot, because you can get away with a significantly smaller grenades if you can get it to explode around head height when close to someone. This also has the benefit of negating armor if done right, since it's the overpressure scrambling their brains you can rely on.

      But mixed reviews have come in about the stopping power of 20mm and it's still can't compete with rifles at a far enough distance.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I saw a Bradley IFV gunner complain in an interview about 25mm. Said you had to get the round within 2 meters of someone or they'll "shake it off" most of the time. This is just regular 25mm. I suppose 30mm would be better.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Has it been sent to the Ukrainian biolab grown supersoldiers yet?

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We already tested this and found it to be a fucking retarded idea.

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