What is the endgame for Ukraine? For Russia? What goals do each side have for the war? What does victory look like for each side?
Endgame
What is the endgame for Ukraine? For Russia? What goals do each side have for the war? What does victory look like for each side?
Import millions of brown people to save their popilation pyramid. Trans and gay indoctrination at schools . Destroy traditional values.
Zelensky gets a mountain of coke in exchange
(You)
Replace Zelensky with Putin and you'd have an accurate depiction of Russian Globohomo agenda
Ironic that the russians were importing churkha mystery meat into the areas they took while deporting ukranian kids into deep russia
I hate russia and their simps so much
But enough talk about Russia.
For Russia the endgame is for current elite to keep power, no matter the cost.
Endgame for Ukraine should be a Total Zigger Death(collapse of russian army and state).
If russia is allowed to lick its wounds it will return in few years and start stirring shit again.
Maybe its better if incompetent Putin and his friends stay in power - thats the big question.
Poland in 1920s didn't help Russian Whites because they laid claims to all Tsarist Russian lands unlike the Reds who were more willing for temporary compromises. At that time reborn Tsarist Russia seemed like a worse alternative to Bolsheviks.
>starts pointless war for no reason, raping killing and looting a white European country
>somehow its the fault of the invaded country for fighting back
>somehow add in trans and gnomish shit to the mix
I never understood WHY vatmorons are so insistent in this propaganda angle, literally to whom (besides brain dead 4chantards) is this supposed to appeal to
>anything I don't like is 4chanvatmorons
Yet you're prime uhg material? NTA but Russian invasion or not, Zelensky have... some interesting methods and relationships.
Believe it or not, you don't have to "pick a side".
You should improve your English before you try to be le ebin unaligned lmao, might make it less obvious
For the love of God; redeem a dictionary before posting the needful.
>Believe it or not, you don't have to "pick a side".
Oh I know pidor
I happily picked the winning side though
>all dem words
left cant meme lel
That's a negligible amount of words, my dyslexic friend.
>>all dem words
and 4chantards have the attention span of a roach
>uhg
>Zelensky have
Go back to your shitskin containment board.
No one knows what Russias goals are because they change whenever the army has a setback
Ukraine's goals are the withdrawal of all Russian personnel from Ukrainian territory and a return of all occupied parts of Ukraine, which to be clear includes both Crimea and the Donbass
They would also like all their kidnapped people returned if possible
>What goals do each side have for the war?
Ukraine
>doing their best to make Russia stop existing
Russia
>doing their best to make Russia stop existing
The endgame for Ukraine is to bleed Russia dry and take back their territory. For Russia its just to hold on and hope the West gives up.
domination, conquest, regional supremacy
it has always been like this for russia since the establishment of russian empire as a power in europe, they wanted to control as much of eastern europe, finland, the black sea, caucasus.etc
even after the civil war, USSR was determined to conquest ex-russian empire states and those territory above. they simply inherited the expansionism, this time under the banner of "communist liberation" and left wing nationalism with soviet identity (styled as fervent "soviet patriotism"). they continued assimilation, suppression of ex russian empire breakaway states
after 90s, it's still the same, communists or not, those who missed their empire will want another reconquest to continue that legacy of russian empire filth
>What is the endgame for Ukraine?
Liberate their territory
>For Russia?
German agent Putin has the goal of killing as many Russian males as possible to replace them with Central Asian migrants.
Demilitarising the Armed Forces of Russia is a pleasant bonus.
This is not a joke, i remember how last Autumn Russian men aged 20-35 wouldn't get hired over illegal immigrants because of mobilization
I’m under the impression that sans the poor saps from their “newly liberated” territories Russian is pulling another “get minorities killed on the front lines” thing. They’ve pulled that shit off plenty before (check out WW2 ethnicity death counts in the Soviet Union) and a dubious map I saw breaking down the percentage of mobilized individuals from different regions, disproportionately less Russian. But I dunno. Either way they’re doing a great job of speed running collapsing their population pyramid if this drags on a few years.
Victory for Russia:
>Rush Kyiv and assasinate the Ukrainian leadership
>Install puppet and have the UAF stand down
>Use riot troops to beat anyone who complains
>Either absorb Ukraine or have it join the Union State and become Belarus 2.0
>Fighting finished in roughly 3 days
This is based on the accidently published victory articles on the Russian news sites combined with the riot and hitman squads that were killed in Kyiv during the first 48 hours.
Russia has no plan now, they can only keep going because they know the alternative is worse. Well, worse for Putin and the Russian leadership anyway.
Russia would negotiate if Ukraine stopped the 9-years of indiscriminate shelling of Donbas, denazified, and went neutral.
Ukraine was ready to negotiate an end a year ago, along those lines, but globohomo openly stated they wanted to bleed Russia, and would pay for this, including paying for 100% of their government salaries and pensions, in addition to weapons. So Ukraine became their paid mercs, and only globohomo can end this, which they will do eventually, and is the reason they asked the chinks to be intermediary. They need to declare victory and leave, as usual.
>and went neutral
Ukraine was already neutral. For savages like Russia and China, "neutral" means "up for grabs".
>Ukraine was already neutral.
No, shelling indiscriminately and slaughtering civilians is not neutral. Violently overthrowing a democratically elected government with globohomo cash is not neutral. Jabbering about joining NATO is not neutral.
But they'll be disavowed of this eventually. Russia seems in no hurry, and why should be? Tube artillery is cheap.
>shelling indiscriminately and slaughtering civilians
Never happened but wish it did
Why cant they join NATO?
NATO has some stipulations about countries with disputed borders.
30 years ago, they agreed they wouldn't, but they then took globohomo cash and started slaughtering Donbas civilians, for 9 years now.
Why would Ukraine suddenly start attacking Russians for no reason at all? Maybe something to do with the klankening?
Russia agreed about Ukraine's territorial integrity.
And globohomo paid for the violent coup against a democratically elected government, upending the original agreement.
If the majority of the Ukies don't support their government and want to be part of Russia why aren't their constant "smoking accidents" in Ukraine like there are in Russia?
The hohols don't have any choice. Violent coups that overthrow democratically govt tend to do that.
So the Ukies can't blow up train tracks or burn down factories because their violent puppet government stops them but the Russians against the war can in Russia? Is it an act of goodwill by Putin?
>So the Ukies can't
They can't do lots of things, thanks to the corrupt thugocracy globohomo installed there. Sad for hohols, they lost their democracy.
But thats not what happened at all. What actually happened was russian puppet dictator deciding he knows better than the peoples will and pulling out of a pro eu treaty because it was bad for his paymasters. Naturally they revolted. Stop lying.
Yes, thank you for your concession, globohomo paid for a violent coup, overthrowing a democratically government, and installing an autocratic corrupt theocracy, and now they're worse than zimbabwe. Heck, I don't blame globohomo from declaring victory and leaving. Too bad about the hohols though.
Uhh, why did zelensky, who is a native russian speaker and ran on a platform of appeasement win then?
He even hmgot most of his votes from the eastern part of the country
Your corrupt, violent thug lives by the sword, and will die by the double-tap, from hohols.
Ok but you haven't answered my question.
Why did the Ukrainians elect a russian speaker whose platform was appeasement and ending the war?
>elect
Kek, you kids are amusing.
I do hope we get to see the this guy's corpse, after globohomo declares victory and leaves, and the hohols end his thugocracy via double-tap.
Ok, so why did globohomo install an appeasing russian speaker as the president of Ukraine?
>why did globohomo
If globohomo needs explaining, you need to educate yourself, lad.
For now, let's observe that globohomo does this constantly, declares victory and leaves, and some corrupt thug gets double-tapped. We'll start easy for you.
>does this constantly, declares victory and leaves
Is that why globohomo stayed in Afghanistan and Iraq for two decades?
It sure took them a long time to leave.
>Afghanistan
Yes, they declared victory and left, and got dozens of servicemen slaughtered as they fled . TYFYC.
So we can expect 20 years of support and billions in aid.before globohomo leaves?
Seems like a good deal to me
>20 years
If globohomo has their way, then they declare victory and leave, as always. How's that working out for you?
>then they declare victory and leave, as always.
But they didn't leave in Afghanistan and Iraq though
They didn't? Are you and the cokehead midget on the same candy?
So true, the west lives by the sword. And Ziggers die by it.
I know you are just going off a script but what do you think you are achieving?
Are the Ukies meant to believe we are going to leave them for dead just as we start sending armor?
Are westies meant to think we are the bad guys despite this war being the first one where we aren't the bad guy in 30 years?
Are vatniks meant to get hard thinking about once nice cities being just as fucked as the shithole they live in?
You should accept the inevitable, that globohomo will declare victory and leave, as they always do.
You people also predicted a 3 day SMO so I don't take you too seriously.
That's ok, the cokehead midget will take the double-tap seriously.
Your cope and seethe concession has been accepted.
>No, shelling indiscriminately and slaughtering civilians is not neutral
That never happened. Russia started a war with Ukraine by proxy (not even too much of a proxy) and then blamed Ukraine for the damage.
>That never happened.
Yes, it did, with Donbas civilians being slaughtered indiscriminately. Don't worry, the remaining hohols will eventually figure out which globohomo stooges require a double-tap. That's the delicious part, when the hohols figure this out for themselves, after globohomo declares victory and leaves.
No it didn't, and numbers demonstrate it. It's Russians that kill civilians.
Rejecting a Russian puppet is pro-democracy.
Installing a violent, corrupt thugocracy is globohomo. The double-tap solution is coming though, after the hohols figure all this out, and globohomo declares victory and leaves.
>corrupt thugocracy
Nice projection Ivan. But the opproseeive regime that keeps stealing from his people for yachts and throws opposition from windows is Russia.
>opproseeive regime
Yes, globohomo installed it in Ukraine, violently.
Perhaps you are a third worlder and you cannot tell the difference, but Russia is blatantly more oppressive.
You can explain all that to the dead hohols the ukie thugs are killing.
Those double-taps can't come soon enough.
>a violent, corrupt thugocracy
But enough talk about the russian government.
>violent, corrupt thugocracy
Yes, globohomo installed that in Ukraine.
>violent
yeah but Russians deserved it
>No, shelling indiscriminately and slaughtering civilians is not neutral
It is, actually, I'm a neutral moderate and I support this position.
that's a LOT of cope!
>.005 Rubles has been deposited in your account
This entire post not only is propaganda, but is not up to date.
Russia already admitted they want to restore the empire and the NATO expansion and muh Donbass were bullshit.
>my propaganda is truth
Lad...
Wow. Based. Do you think Ukraine will spend the next nine years slaughtering Russian children? Do you think I’ll be able to go on liveleak and find videos of a Russian child crying in her mothers arms as a ukronazi douses them in gasoline before lighting them on fire?
For the reparations of Russians stealing Ukrainian children into their pedo rings, yes, it'd be worth it
The only good snowmoron are the ones that don't crawl out of their stinking holes
>9-years of indiscriminate shelling of Donbas
Why Russia never tried to stop them before?
They negotiated years ago, signed agreements even, but globohomo reneged and did a violent coup, and kept up the Donbas civilian slaughtering. So now Ukraine has become a multigenerational failed state, zimbabwe tier. How's that all working out for you?
>How's that all working out for you?
It results in total Zigger death
The best timeline
Unfortunately, stopping the 9-years of indiscriminate russian false-flag shelling of Donbas was never within Ukraine's power.
And being paid to liberate your country from a hated genocidal barbarous invader sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
>which they will do eventually
That being after total military collapse of the Russian Federation. The west is getting to exterminate the Russian Army for pennies on the dollar, and that's just too dman good a deal to pass up anytime soon.
>9-years of indiscriminate russian false-flag shelling of Donbas
Kek, you kids are funny.
>The west is getting to exterminate the Russian Army
You should copyright that, globohomo can use it when they declare victory and leave, as usual.
>People's Republics of ...
The ComIntern cries out as it hits you, nice 'color revolution' you got there, imperialist.
Russia will win only if their country collapses and falls apart, then they can be absorbed by other countries and reap the benefits of no longer being Russian.
>Ukraine
Not become Russia, take back what has become Russia in the last decade.
>Russia
This is more interesting, as the invader you get to change your goals as you go and they have already gone from "Ukraine belongs to Russia" to "these oblasts belong to Russia" to "we will hold our pre-war boarders".
I think by the time this is over Ukraine will have their 2014 boarders back and Russia will be claiming victory because they managed to hold onto Moscow.
Realistically their are different levels of victory for each side. Russia at this point only has one possible minor "victory" it could maybe actually achieve which would be a stalemate which ends with them absorbing the territory they currently hold into Russia. Ukraine has two possible victories which are either pre-2021 borders or their original 1991 borders with the latter obviously being the preferred one by Ukraine. The original Russian goals were Regime change turning Ukraine into a puppet state or full absorption into Russia, Russia in this sense has essentially already "lost" this war as these goals are essentially impossible.
Reposting this so anons work doesn't go to waste
https://vocaroo.com/1ko2dxbtsScL
Sad thing is, Ukraine is a failed state. No economy, birth rate going to zero, young men dying, and population fleeing, They have brought misery on themselves, generationally so. Meanwhile, globohomo will simply declare victory and leave, as they always do.
>projection
Russia is a failing state Vadim. Flee while you cannot
>Meanwhile, globohomo will simply declare victory and leave, as they always do.
We do that in 3rd world shitholes like where you live, in Europe we pay for the rebuild and modernize the economy so we can get paid back with good trade deals.
>We do that in 3rd world shitholes
Yes, like Ukraine, a failed 3rd world state.
3rd world is just a polite way of saying brown. Ukraine is a second world country.
Actual definition of the three worlds
>First world: West, America and friends
>Second world: Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact
>third world: literally everyone else
So yes Ukraine, Russia and Poland are all second world.
as you may or may not have noticed it's not 70s anymore. nowadays first world = western, highly developed country + honorary western nations like japan or worst korea, third world = underdeveloped shithole
the average fag doesn't even know what second world means
First world included South Korea and Japan back then too broe and third world meant underdeveloped shithole back then as well
you should see the other guy
Sad. Do you think all Russians will have to die before HATO satanists leave or just half of them?
Every Russian will die to fuel the sacrifices to the chaos gods. Khorne wills it
>for Ukraine?
At the very least, a return to Day 1 borders. They may also take a serious stab at Crimea.
>for Russia
Originally, Putin's vision for Russian victory would be the overthrowing of the Ukrainian Government and the installation of a puppet. This may have also included Russia annexing territory.
Now that this scenario is completely unrealistic, Putin's primary goal is to stay in power no matter what, and to soften the blow when he inevitably pulls out of Ukraine.
Ukraine will receive a tsunami of foreign investment after the war in their industrial and agricultural sectors. Russia will have no such help rebuilding their economy.
The only possible outcomes now are the ones on the right of that image.
You better deduct the clay Poland will be taking. Probably Romania will also provide security. Kek
What manner of broken defeatist cope is this?
Come on, put some spirit into it, Russia can still win, two more weeks.
fair point
Moldova and Romania could finally reunite and with the help of Ukraine put an end to chudstan
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>brough misery on themselves
Ah yes, the old fighting back against an invasion. Ukraine will be rebuilt with EU funds after the war, russia will be walled off and left to rot. Enjoy things as they are now zigger, they will never be this good again
>Ukraine will be rebuilt with EU funds
Kek
I don't get why you people have a hard time with this.
>don't rebuild Ukraine
>bankrupt state with huge brain drain becomes dependant on western aid and can never pay us back
>rebuild Ukraine
>they can handle their own defense
>get cheap gas to the EU as payment with the US getting a cut
It's in everyones best interests (except Russias) to rebuild Ukraine, just because Putin is too stupid to rebuild after he flattened Chechnya doesn't mean everyone is that dumb.
>rebuild Ukraine
It's still kekable that you believe globohomo will do this, after they declare victory and leave... again.
No, what's kekable is how retarded vatmorons like you so utterly fail to understand basic economics and the behaviour of the west.
The West is gettiung to massacre the Russian Army for pennies on the dollar and will never stop taking advantage of this until the Russian Army declares victory and leaves. And then the West will finance massive rebuilding effort in Ukraine, not out of the goodness of their hearts but for the cold, hard profit they will reap from doing so in the long run.
Everybody wins. Except Russia. Rusia loses. Forever.
Still kekable, that you believe this fantasy. You do realize it goes against all globohomo history, right, in which they declare victory and leave?
>From Kiev in three days to "Globohomo won't rebuild the country after we are kicked out"
I'm getting a boner just thinking about the profits.
Total
Zigger
Death
Ukraine: making Russia give up and enter a cease fire, or at the very least a stop to territorial loss.
Russia: regime change or at least a peace agreement with guarantees Ukraine will no longer try to mess with Russian gas to Europe.
Russia as a state cannot survive the next thirty years without pushing it's borders all the way to Warsaw.
Ukraine as a state cannot survive so long as Russia still exists to threaten them because of the above point. Ergo, Russia's goal is to destroy Ukraine, and Ukraine's goal is to destroy Russia. I can only hope Ukraine succeeds.
Russia just needs a change of management, give any semi-competent leader their resource wealth and they'll be part of the EU within 20 years.
If Russia had a semi-competent leader, they wouldn't be Russia anymore.
>declare victory and leave
>declared victory and leaves
>cntrl f
Did the IRA put out a memo that posts must include this phrase or something?
Is it a schizo or an AI? You genuinely can't tell anymore
He keeps saying double-tap too
I don’t understand why, since it’s the US that does double-taps lmao
We don't even do that anymore, unless you're talking about the drone tactic and not the gun one.
Drone is what I and I believe he are referring to
>What is the endgame for Ukraine?
stop existing
>For Russia?
They are currently demilitarizing whole west, that is sending their equipment to be destroyed in ukraine. Nato will be literally defenceless after this is over, therefore Russia will be safe.
>They are currently demilitarizing whole west
You mean the west that has sent a scant few old leftovers and with them already exterminated the entire pre-war professional Russian Army and so utterly decimated Russias modenr equipmenjt stocks that they are forced to bring 50+ years old vintage out from the junkyards becuase that's all they have left for replacements? LMAO.
By the time this is over, NATO will be literally militarily stronger than it was at the start of this, while Russias military will have mceased to exist. And the Russian nation will be lucky to sitll exist.
Enough about Ukraine let's talk about OO's pic. Who else wants to be a freakish robot man with a dozen tentacle arms and a plasma cannon for a dick? I can't be the only one.
>endgame for Ukraine?
joining the west instead of being russia's even-poorer flunkie, which requires at least a tie against moskals for whom ukraine succeeding as a mostly-democratic country that's in EU/NAFO is an existential threat in a number of ways
>for russia?
2 years ago: an empire, being able to kick off nato from the baltics
1 year ago: annexing everything east of dniepr
now: not losing crimea
Putin and co. wouldn't end the war if they could because they need a reason to keep the heightened domestic security/repression measures in effect in Russia. So long as the war is going at least technically everything they do domestically is justified on national security grounds.
is the globohomo in the room with us?
Ukraine:
>drive the russian devils back behind the 1991 border
>keep them there
>join Nato
Russia:
>none
>the war is already a strategic failure
>even if Kiev surrendered tomorrow, it wouldn't have been worth it
>all this cope about "declares victory and leaves"
Are they preparing the propaganda machine to spin their eventual loss as "globohomo just declaring victory" already?
They're just hysterics acting like menopausal women and assorted third worlders.
The cope of choice is what hurts the least at the moment, and can and will change in a split second.
>Gen. Ben Hodges: give them the shit to plaster logistics at depth and make Crimea untenable for fuck's sake
>Pompeo's "3 Lighthouses of Liberty" speech last August during the PLA southern district mobilization meeting audio leak
>Scandifag NATO accession + Intermarium
Ukraine is cheaper to contest the Heartland than Afghanistan and will become necessary as failed 'post'-Soviet Russia goes into a demographic death spiral (Muslim & Central Asian regions will double population well inside 50 years as ethnic Rus play out the consequences of the October Revolution). Intermarium is required to land blockade EU/DAVOS pinkos in Brussels from supplying the reactivated Sino-Soviet block with actual near peer semiconductor and software capabilities. Dumping Eurodollar LIBOR in favor of SOFR by Chairman Powell at the Federal Reserve was a functional "fuck you" to IMF/BIS et. al. CBDC as conceived by Klaus Schwab bug eaters -- and how you actually know the entire 'petrodollar death' nonsense is nonsense.
The postwar outlook for Ukraine is Europe's Mexico (the Intermarium's at least), and bad actors trying to trial run their UN Smart Cities bullshit in the Kremlin leveled ashes. Cornering laser production inputs in Ukraine during Soviet times will position it to be a tech leader and potential relocation point for some of TSMC type business. Artillery poisoned fields lowering crop production will be a convenient inducement to demographic and economic constriction of Africa and the Middle East, if Egypt continues to chase cotton gibs over actually feeding themselves on the Nile.
Russia's an internal Mexican Standoff husk of once was a mass murdering juggernaut whose least worst outcome is maintaining current territorial integrity at the cost of Chinese functionally resettling the Eastern District in the absence of their psychotic fantasy of taking North America for free with bioweapons or a joint first strike with Russia. 'Collapse of capitalism' just isnt happening