Elephant Rounds?

>Last night the circus lost two elephant bulls.
>I don’t know how they lost them, not exactly a set of keys?
>city’s been looking for 10 hours
>already caused $6 million in damages

If these frickers end up in my back yard is Buffalo Bore enough to stop them?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I hope they kill you to rid the world of your stupidity.

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Stupid thread, but I'll bite.
    >enough
    Nah. Start with 6,5 Mannlicher-Schonauer or .30-06. If you know where to hit, you can take an elephant down. It won't be fast though, elephants are damn strong. You need a stopper rifle like .500 Nitro Express or 4 bore rifle.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It'd be fast if he really really knew where to hit.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >It'd be fast if he really really knew where to hit.
        And had the luxury of taking a shot from that angle, which is very unlikely if the elephant is "rampaging"

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I’ll see if they have some at the pawn shop. My brother just went to sporting goods to get aluminum bats. I said that was smart, aluminum won’t break like wood.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      why would I want manlickers? I'm not fruity.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I have no idea where to shoot a pachyderm with a 6.5 rifle.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Here.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Why would a pachyderm have a 6.5 rifle?

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Because he's in your pajamas

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >.38 Super
      Roll up in the Monte with your fellow cholos and open up on it.

      >6.5 Mannlicher-Schonauer or .30-06. If you know where to hit, you can take an elephant down.
      Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell? Am I the only person who has a realistic idea of how well I can shoot?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Elephant brains aren’t a small target. Karamojo Bell isn’t the only hunter that advocated the brain shot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell?
        People read the story "but ackshally Bell killed a zillion elephants with a smallbore", they memorize the factoid, but they never bother to think or learn any more beyond that. It's memorized but it isn't understood.

        Elephant brains aren’t a small target. Karamojo Bell isn’t the only hunter that advocated the brain shot.

        The fact that you think it was "just a brain shot" shows you don't understand the whole situation either. Most "brain shots" on elephant are very difficult to make because the skull is so thick. This is especially true of the classic "frontal" brain shot, which is what is presented when the elephant is charging a hunter. That is why most elephant hunting was done with large-bore rifles; they can take a brain shot from any angle. Attempting a frontal shot with Bell's smallbore rifle would have been suicide. What Bell was famous for was making a long-distance quartering away shot into the elephant's head from behind. Basically the angle shown in the left pic of

        https://i.imgur.com/utyRhjN.png

        Here.

        . But this is a very difficult shot, you might think of it like shooting down the ear canal. It's the fricking Death Star Trench Run of hunting shots, and even then it's only possible if you manage to get behind the elephant at the right angle.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell
        Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
        Sure, it's better to have reliable and specialised tools for the job, like a proper chambered rifle, starting from 9,3 Brenneke (btw there's a civilian SVD for the caliber). But when you're tight on budget, you want your rifle as soon as yesterday and this might be the only time you need a gun like this, it's better to go for more universal options

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
          There is no "idea" here though. Show up to an elephant hunt with a 7mm Mauser or 6.5 Mannlicher and you're going to get laughed at and then told to frick off.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >you're going to get laughed at and then told to frick off.
            You don't hunt with ordinary rifle calibers anymore because you're not allowed to. Not because you can't kill an elephant with it, but because shooting at elephants with smaller bore guns is, according to the law, inhumane and dangerous (though not impossible) for the hunting party.
            I'm not trying to tell you that 7x57 would be a great elephant round, otherwise there would be no .416 Rigby, .500NE, .700NE, or .505 Gibbs. But it can do the trick at certain circumstances, it's affordable and it can be used for more common game later.
            It's not as if you can buy affordable elephant gun by the snap of your fingers, especially since large calibre CZ500 can be bought only on secondary market.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >shooting at elephants with smaller bore guns is, according to the law, inhumane and dangerous
              I agree, it is. Bell could shoot jumping fish and flying birds with a rifle, but I sure as hell can't. You can't either. Acting like it's even an option for the average person is delusional.
              >It's not as if you can buy affordable elephant gun by the snap of your fingers
              Any American can. I see them show up in local guns stores that deal in more antique/sporting style guns and places like Armslist at least once a month. They're not high end Holland and Hollands or anything like that, but Rugers and Winchester in .375 H&H and above show up more frequently than you would think.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell?
        Because they are absolute shivering recoilets.
        They want to think that their inability to handle firearms appropriate to any task is irrelevant because someone far better than them made it work.

        >Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell
        Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
        Sure, it's better to have reliable and specialised tools for the job, like a proper chambered rifle, starting from 9,3 Brenneke (btw there's a civilian SVD for the caliber). But when you're tight on budget, you want your rifle as soon as yesterday and this might be the only time you need a gun like this, it's better to go for more universal options

        >Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
        Again, a reductive argument. It's the same as saying you can kill a bear with a 22 short.
        No YOU can't, nor can pretty much anyone. People who are incredibly concerned with killing elephants don't carry .30 caliber rifles (except for poachers with a jeep full of AKBlack folk), but they aren't carrying 577 tyrannosaur or 460 Wetherby either. They carry .458WM (or chambered for lott, but usually shooting WM)or 375 h&h or something similar.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >. It's the same as saying you can kill a bear with a 22 short.
          That's stupid. Unlike killing elephant with a .30-06
          >People who are incredibly concerned with killing elephants don't carry .30 caliber rifles
          Because they're not allowed by law

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Because they're not allowed by law
            It's because .30 calibers are bad for killing elephants.
            All the African governments didn't just decide they hate recoilets for fun. It excludes people that might otherwise pay to hunt dangerous game and pay them money. They did it because wounding game is bad for business (non collection of trophy fees), unethical generally, and harmful to animal populations.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              True, all true.
              However, it's not as absurd as you want it to be by comparing it to hunting bear with.22

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >458WM
          Say no more

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I dunno, the .416 RM and the 458 RM both drive a 400gr bullet the same speed.
            The .416 has better SD.

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone laughed.
    Now it's time to send some rampaging pacyderms to hell.

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >38 super
    with perfect shot placement maybe
    why do you not own a rifle?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Sure, wake up in the middle of the night and Dumbo’s standing over me, I’m just gonna pull a rifle out from under my pillow.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        oh my bad, forgot dumbo was gonna sneak into your bedroom at night and wait for you to wake up before slamming his 6 foot wiener in your ass.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Actually dumbo is a bottom so he'll crush him instead

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Go on…

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Ain't no wiener like elephant wiener

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >city’s been looking for 10 hours
    >already caused $6 million in damages
    >can't track a literal fricking elephant causing that much damage in a city
    Take those buffalo bores to city hall and address the real elephants in the room.

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Do you have something like an AK or SKS? That would be the lowest Id go with against elephants

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      funny thing is 7.62x39 has probably become the caliber with the greatest number of dead elephants on it by now because the traditional ivory poaching method is just "Mag dump an AK on it and it falls down"

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I think 22lr has it beat but its a close second

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    45-70 hardcast would do the trick

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Atrocious sectional density
      >at least 600 fps below prime penetrating speed for heavy bullets
      Nah, no thanks. I'd rather take my chance with a 30-06 and 220gr monolithic solid bullets

      https://i.imgur.com/UNBkepO.jpg

      >Last night the circus lost two elephant bulls.
      >I don’t know how they lost them, not exactly a set of keys?
      >city’s been looking for 10 hours
      >already caused $6 million in damages

      If these frickers end up in my back yard is Buffalo Bore enough to stop them?

      I bought a .416 Rigby a few years ago to frick around with and for if I ever got the chance to down the biggest, baddest game on the planet. I'd load some 400gr Trophy Bonded Solids and go brain some Rogue pachyderms.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Modern 45-70 gets close to 458 win mag.
        Not ideal, but it would do better than that fricking trash 30-06

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Agreed that a modern, maxed out 45-70 can get close to 458win performance, but to be honest, 458win isn't really ideal for elephants, either. It's about the most marginal of the big bore dangerous game calibers, requiring compacted powder loads (to seat bigger, heavier bullets with better SD) and higher pressures that sometimes cause extraction problems.
          Obviously a .30-06 isn't ideal for an elephant, either. Neither are great options. If my life depended on one or two shots that absolutely need to brain/destroy the CNS of a huge elephant before it tramples me to death, I want something in my hands that can penetrate and that I am accurate with (whether that's a .30-06 or .35 Whelen or .45-70 or a .404 Jeffery).

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly feel I'd rather have an AR10 in 308 than a bolt gun in .30-06, just mag dump and mag dump. Gets 100rds into that b***h in 45 seconds.
            Assuming I didn't have an actual elephant rifle.

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      How in the frick does it take two dozen men twenty minutes to fire 86 shots at a target the size of a fricking tractor?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Because pistol rounds and 00 buck lack the penetrstion needed to reach vital organs, especially in the body, and I doubt any of them knew where to aim for a brainshot.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          I think you misunderstood me, I didn't say "why did it take 86 bullets to kill it", I get that. But from what I've read about the event it was over fifteen minutes between when the cops started to open fire and when the animal died, but it was only hit 86 times in that time. In the video posted you can see them idly standing there while one guy at a time plinks away at it taking a few seconds pause between each shot.

          One man should be able to hit an elephant 86 times inside of 20 minutes even accounting for reloading, let alone half the department.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Early 90s cops, probably didn't have a ton of ammo, then you have times where maybe the back stop wasn't good, or maybe it looked like it was going down and then decided to keep going.
            All sorts of factors

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              So incompetence. They cant seriously have had less than ten shots per man and only a moron shoots and stops to see "what effect it had".

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                And also shooting at something that can run pretty fast, with a handgun, while trying not to miss and hit bystanders.
                It's not like you'd want to be within 25 yards of it if possible, it can cover that distance and trample you in am instant.
                An elephant is big, but with a handgun, at 50+ yards, while it's running.
                It's almost certainly a harder shot than you are thinking.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                But we can literally see them taking one pot shot every ten seconds at close range in the video.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >and I doubt any of them knew where to aim for a brainshot.

          0:59
          5 bullet holes in the harness/decoration on the elephant's head, approximately straight between the eyes. Somebody knew where to shoot, they just weren't getting the penetration.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            That isn't where you shoot on an elephant to get the brainshot, especially with pistols and pistols caliber leveractions.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Dunno what they were shooting, but that IS where you shoot to get the brain shot if it's facing you.
              It anything but ideal. But if it's the only shot you have, you go with what you have.
              https://www.africahunting.com/media/hunting-elephant-front-view-shot-placement.67026/
              also

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Well yeah, that's where you shoot with a 500 NE.
                The ivory hunters (when it was legal) who would use smaller calibers would never take that shot.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        I think you misunderstood me, I didn't say "why did it take 86 bullets to kill it", I get that. But from what I've read about the event it was over fifteen minutes between when the cops started to open fire and when the animal died, but it was only hit 86 times in that time. In the video posted you can see them idly standing there while one guy at a time plinks away at it taking a few seconds pause between each shot.

        One man should be able to hit an elephant 86 times inside of 20 minutes even accounting for reloading, let alone half the department.

        Early 90s cops, probably didn't have a ton of ammo, then you have times where maybe the back stop wasn't good, or maybe it looked like it was going down and then decided to keep going.
        All sorts of factors

        It's also Hawaii in the '90s. Since this is before the big North Hollywood DoD M16A2 Giveaway the regular beat cops there wouldn't have had access to patrol rifles or anything else we take for granted now, they'd be limited to wheelguns, maybe some 9mm autos, and 12 gauge shotguns. Also, that dude with the levergun (possibly .30-30 or some Magnum pistol caliber) is probably the only local hunter with a centerfire rifle they could find on short notice; Hawaii has stupid backwards ass gun laws that require firearm permits, and rifle permits have always been the hardest to get IIRC, with relatively few issued because may issue lmao, so the pool of available rifle-toting locals to act as a posse are very limited, especially in metro Honolulu.

        Now why HPD SWAT isn't hosing his ass down with their own early M16s and medium-caliber sniper rifles, I don't know. Maybe they got stuck in traffic, I hear Honolulu has some stupid ass rush hours. The same thing happened in North Hollywood (SWAT getting stuck in traffic forcing the beat LAPD cops to deal with the armored robbers), which is why the DoD started giving away M16s like candy as patrol car rifles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Again, 86 rounds in that much time is pitiful even with revolvers.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, how the hell are they supposed to put up meaningful DPS with those numbers? Sheesh.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            It's possible that they knew they couldn't get good/deep enough hits, and didn't even try. They were still mostly using .38 Special (or .38 Special +P out of .357 Mag revolvers) back then IIRC.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It's not like it could have taken longer if they'd put 86 bullets in the elephant in a couple minutes, might as well have unloaded on it from the get go.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Live a day a king

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Elephant dies heroic death killing his torturers in brave escape attempt.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        "Torturers"
        Vegan homosexual get out

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Nah in this case its animal abuse outright and I'm about to eat some meat.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Die Black person

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >is shitty 9mm +p enough
    No

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    $6 million you say? Now I'm not denying there was damage done, but $6 million seems like a bit too much for just two elephants.

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what about this?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      No, especially not in a JHP, 45 super and 460 Rowland perform like shit in JHPs, overexpand/explode and massively under penetrate.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >use a hornady xtp
      >crank the advertised velocity up 200 fps
      >bullet fails at that speed
      >charge it at twice the price hornady does
      Well done buffalo bore, well done

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Free elephant, and youre gonna shoot it?

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what about .300wby?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >220gr @ 2750
      >$10/round
      Lol no
      Al least 300 PRC can do 225gr @ 2850, and 250gr @ 2700
      Still not ideal, but not a meme like all the weatherby cartridges are.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Dig a big hole and put a tarp over it
    You are better off trying to trap it

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >10 milimeter

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    These morons mag dumping on an elephant with whatever they got!

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    You need to get yourself a double barrel bolt action Sexy and Fricks-it fires big boy rounds like .416 Remington Magnum, and the rifle was specifically designed because Mr Sexy got charged by three elephants at the same time and he wanted to make a gun that could prevent that when it inevitably happened again.

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ram it with a dump truck. Just keep plowing into the elephant till the truck or the pach is disabled.

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Ar 500 automax

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Tell your mother to return them if they can still walk.

  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    … that one guy who thought he was gonna hold that gate closed deserved to be stomped out of the gene pool…

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