>Last night the circus lost two elephant bulls.
>I don’t know how they lost them, not exactly a set of keys?
>city’s been looking for 10 hours
>already caused $6 million in damages
If these fuckers end up in my back yard is Buffalo Bore enough to stop them?
I hope they kill you to rid the world of your stupidity.
Stupid thread, but I'll bite.
>enough
Nah. Start with 6,5 Mannlicher-Schonauer or .30-06. If you know where to hit, you can take an elephant down. It won't be fast though, elephants are damn strong. You need a stopper rifle like .500 Nitro Express or 4 bore rifle.
It'd be fast if he really really knew where to hit.
>It'd be fast if he really really knew where to hit.
And had the luxury of taking a shot from that angle, which is very unlikely if the elephant is "rampaging"
I’ll see if they have some at the pawn shop. My brother just went to sporting goods to get aluminum bats. I said that was smart, aluminum won’t break like wood.
why would I want manlickers? I'm not fruity.
I have no idea where to shoot a pachyderm with a 6.5 rifle.
Here.
Why would a pachyderm have a 6.5 rifle?
Because he's in your pajamas
>.38 Super
Roll up in the Monte with your fellow cholos and open up on it.
>6.5 Mannlicher-Schonauer or .30-06. If you know where to hit, you can take an elephant down.
Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell? Am I the only person who has a realistic idea of how well I can shoot?
Elephant brains aren’t a small target. Karamojo Bell isn’t the only hunter that advocated the brain shot.
>Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell?
People read the story "but ackshally Bell killed a zillion elephants with a smallbore", they memorize the factoid, but they never bother to think or learn any more beyond that. It's memorized but it isn't understood.
The fact that you think it was "just a brain shot" shows you don't understand the whole situation either. Most "brain shots" on elephant are very difficult to make because the skull is so thick. This is especially true of the classic "frontal" brain shot, which is what is presented when the elephant is charging a hunter. That is why most elephant hunting was done with large-bore rifles; they can take a brain shot from any angle. Attempting a frontal shot with Bell's smallbore rifle would have been suicide. What Bell was famous for was making a long-distance quartering away shot into the elephant's head from behind. Basically the angle shown in the left pic of
. But this is a very difficult shot, you might think of it like shooting down the ear canal. It's the fucking Death Star Trench Run of hunting shots, and even then it's only possible if you manage to get behind the elephant at the right angle.
>Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell
Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
Sure, it's better to have reliable and specialised tools for the job, like a proper chambered rifle, starting from 9,3 Brenneke (btw there's a civilian SVD for the caliber). But when you're tight on budget, you want your rifle as soon as yesterday and this might be the only time you need a gun like this, it's better to go for more universal options
>Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
There is no "idea" here though. Show up to an elephant hunt with a 7mm Mauser or 6.5 Mannlicher and you're going to get laughed at and then told to fuck off.
>you're going to get laughed at and then told to fuck off.
You don't hunt with ordinary rifle calibers anymore because you're not allowed to. Not because you can't kill an elephant with it, but because shooting at elephants with smaller bore guns is, according to the law, inhumane and dangerous (though not impossible) for the hunting party.
I'm not trying to tell you that 7x57 would be a great elephant round, otherwise there would be no .416 Rigby, .500NE, .700NE, or .505 Gibbs. But it can do the trick at certain circumstances, it's affordable and it can be used for more common game later.
It's not as if you can buy affordable elephant gun by the snap of your fingers, especially since large calibre CZ500 can be bought only on secondary market.
>shooting at elephants with smaller bore guns is, according to the law, inhumane and dangerous
I agree, it is. Bell could shoot jumping fish and flying birds with a rifle, but I sure as hell can't. You can't either. Acting like it's even an option for the average person is delusional.
>It's not as if you can buy affordable elephant gun by the snap of your fingers
Any American can. I see them show up in local guns stores that deal in more antique/sporting style guns and places like Armslist at least once a month. They're not high end Holland and Hollands or anything like that, but Rugers and Winchester in .375 H&H and above show up more frequently than you would think.
>Why does every single person on this board think that they're Bell?
Because they are absolute shivering recoilets.
They want to think that their inability to handle firearms appropriate to any task is irrelevant because someone far better than them made it work.
>Idea is that you can achieve an elephant kill without a budget overkill.
Again, a reductive argument. It's the same as saying you can kill a bear with a 22 short.
No YOU can't, nor can pretty much anyone. People who are incredibly concerned with killing elephants don't carry .30 caliber rifles (except for poachers with a jeep full of AKmorons), but they aren't carrying 577 tyrannosaur or 460 Wetherby either. They carry .458WM (or chambered for lott, but usually shooting WM)or 375 h&h or something similar.
>. It's the same as saying you can kill a bear with a 22 short.
That's stupid. Unlike killing elephant with a .30-06
>People who are incredibly concerned with killing elephants don't carry .30 caliber rifles
Because they're not allowed by law
>Because they're not allowed by law
It's because .30 calibers are bad for killing elephants.
All the African governments didn't just decide they hate recoilets for fun. It excludes people that might otherwise pay to hunt dangerous game and pay them money. They did it because wounding game is bad for business (non collection of trophy fees), unethical generally, and harmful to animal populations.
True, all true.
However, it's not as absurd as you want it to be by comparing it to hunting bear with.22
>458WM
Say no more
I dunno, the .416 RM and the 458 RM both drive a 400gr bullet the same speed.
The .416 has better SD.
Everyone laughed.
Now it's time to send some rampaging pacyderms to hell.
>38 super
with perfect shot placement maybe
why do you not own a rifle?
Sure, wake up in the middle of the night and Dumbo’s standing over me, I’m just gonna pull a rifle out from under my pillow.
oh my bad, forgot dumbo was gonna sneak into your bedroom at night and wait for you to wake up before slamming his 6 foot cock in your ass.
Actually dumbo is a bottom so he'll crush him instead
Go on…
Ain't no cock like elephant cock
>city’s been looking for 10 hours
>already caused $6 million in damages
>can't track a literal fucking elephant causing that much damage in a city
Take those buffalo bores to city hall and address the real elephants in the room.
Do you have something like an AK or SKS? That would be the lowest Id go with against elephants
funny thing is 7.62x39 has probably become the caliber with the greatest number of dead elephants on it by now because the traditional ivory poaching method is just "Mag dump an AK on it and it falls down"
I think 22lr has it beat but its a close second
45-70 hardcast would do the trick
>Atrocious sectional density
>at least 600 fps below prime penetrating speed for heavy bullets
Nah, no thanks. I'd rather take my chance with a 30-06 and 220gr monolithic solid bullets
I bought a .416 Rigby a few years ago to fuck around with and for if I ever got the chance to down the biggest, baddest game on the planet. I'd load some 400gr Trophy Bonded Solids and go brain some Rogue pachyderms.
Modern 45-70 gets close to 458 win mag.
Not ideal, but it would do better than that fucking trash 30-06
Agreed that a modern, maxed out 45-70 can get close to 458win performance, but to be honest, 458win isn't really ideal for elephants, either. It's about the most marginal of the big bore dangerous game calibers, requiring compacted powder loads (to seat bigger, heavier bullets with better SD) and higher pressures that sometimes cause extraction problems.
Obviously a .30-06 isn't ideal for an elephant, either. Neither are great options. If my life depended on one or two shots that absolutely need to brain/destroy the CNS of a huge elephant before it tramples me to death, I want something in my hands that can penetrate and that I am accurate with (whether that's a .30-06 or .35 Whelen or .45-70 or a .404 Jeffery).
I honestly feel I'd rather have an AR10 in 308 than a bolt gun in .30-06, just mag dump and mag dump. Gets 100rds into that bitch in 45 seconds.
Assuming I didn't have an actual elephant rifle.
How in the fuck does it take two dozen men twenty minutes to fire 86 shots at a target the size of a fucking tractor?
Because pistol rounds and 00 buck lack the penetrstion needed to reach vital organs, especially in the body, and I doubt any of them knew where to aim for a brainshot.
I think you misunderstood me, I didn't say "why did it take 86 bullets to kill it", I get that. But from what I've read about the event it was over fifteen minutes between when the cops started to open fire and when the animal died, but it was only hit 86 times in that time. In the video posted you can see them idly standing there while one guy at a time plinks away at it taking a few seconds pause between each shot.
One man should be able to hit an elephant 86 times inside of 20 minutes even accounting for reloading, let alone half the department.
Early 90s cops, probably didn't have a ton of ammo, then you have times where maybe the back stop wasn't good, or maybe it looked like it was going down and then decided to keep going.
All sorts of factors
So incompetence. They cant seriously have had less than ten shots per man and only a retard shoots and stops to see "what effect it had".
And also shooting at something that can run pretty fast, with a handgun, while trying not to miss and hit bystanders.
It's not like you'd want to be within 25 yards of it if possible, it can cover that distance and trample you in am instant.
An elephant is big, but with a handgun, at 50+ yards, while it's running.
It's almost certainly a harder shot than you are thinking.
But we can literally see them taking one pot shot every ten seconds at close range in the video.
>and I doubt any of them knew where to aim for a brainshot.
0:59
5 bullet holes in the harness/decoration on the elephant's head, approximately straight between the eyes. Somebody knew where to shoot, they just weren't getting the penetration.
That isn't where you shoot on an elephant to get the brainshot, especially with pistols and pistols caliber leveractions.
Dunno what they were shooting, but that IS where you shoot to get the brain shot if it's facing you.
It anything but ideal. But if it's the only shot you have, you go with what you have.
https://www.africahunting.com/media/hunting-elephant-front-view-shot-placement.67026/
also
Well yeah, that's where you shoot with a 500 NE.
The ivory hunters (when it was legal) who would use smaller calibers would never take that shot.
It's also Hawaii in the '90s. Since this is before the big North Hollywood DoD M16A2 Giveaway the regular beat cops there wouldn't have had access to patrol rifles or anything else we take for granted now, they'd be limited to wheelguns, maybe some 9mm autos, and 12 gauge shotguns. Also, that dude with the levergun (possibly .30-30 or some Magnum pistol caliber) is probably the only local hunter with a centerfire rifle they could find on short notice; Hawaii has stupid backwards ass gun laws that require firearm permits, and rifle permits have always been the hardest to get IIRC, with relatively few issued because may issue lmao, so the pool of available rifle-toting locals to act as a posse are very limited, especially in metro Honolulu.
Now why HPD SWAT isn't hosing his ass down with their own early M16s and medium-caliber sniper rifles, I don't know. Maybe they got stuck in traffic, I hear Honolulu has some stupid ass rush hours. The same thing happened in North Hollywood (SWAT getting stuck in traffic forcing the beat LAPD cops to deal with the armored robbers), which is why the DoD started giving away M16s like candy as patrol car rifles.
Again, 86 rounds in that much time is pitiful even with revolvers.
Yeah, how the hell are they supposed to put up meaningful DPS with those numbers? Sheesh.
It's possible that they knew they couldn't get good/deep enough hits, and didn't even try. They were still mostly using .38 Special (or .38 Special +P out of .357 Mag revolvers) back then IIRC.
It's not like it could have taken longer if they'd put 86 bullets in the elephant in a couple minutes, might as well have unloaded on it from the get go.
Live a day a king
Elephant dies heroic death killing his torturers in brave escape attempt.
"Torturers"
Vegan gay get out
Nah in this case its animal abuse outright and I'm about to eat some meat.
Die moron
>is shitty 9mm +p enough
No
$6 million you say? Now I'm not denying there was damage done, but $6 million seems like a bit too much for just two elephants.
what about this?
No, especially not in a JHP, 45 super and 460 Rowland perform like shit in JHPs, overexpand/explode and massively under penetrate.
>use a hornady xtp
>crank the advertised velocity up 200 fps
>bullet fails at that speed
>charge it at twice the price hornady does
Well done buffalo bore, well done
Free elephant, and youre gonna shoot it?
what about .300wby?
>220gr @ 2750
>$10/round
Lol no
Al least 300 PRC can do 225gr @ 2850, and 250gr @ 2700
Still not ideal, but not a meme like all the weatherby cartridges are.
Dig a big hole and put a tarp over it
You are better off trying to trap it
>10 milimeter
These retards mag dumping on an elephant with whatever they got!
You need to get yourself a double barrel bolt action Sexy and Fucks-it fires big boy rounds like .416 Remington Magnum, and the rifle was specifically designed because Mr Sexy got charged by three elephants at the same time and he wanted to make a gun that could prevent that when it inevitably happened again.
Ram it with a dump truck. Just keep plowing into the elephant till the truck or the pach is disabled.
Ar 500 automax
Tell your mother to return them if they can still walk.
… that one guy who thought he was gonna hold that gate closed deserved to be stomped out of the gene pool…